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The meaning of life outside the religious world

שו”תCategory: faithThe meaning of life outside the religious world
asked 3 years ago

I read in your book ‘The First Founding’ a short paragraph that you dedicated to Viktor Frankl’s theory of logotherapy. From what I understood (and that’s how you explain it there too, if I’m not mistaken), the very fact that man’s longing for meaning and the human need for meaning in his actions in the world (including the fact that it gives life, which is even expressed in helping a person recover from serious illnesses, etc.) is enough to prove the significance of meaning in our lives… This is after we have deduced the validity of morality according to the same principle of revealing argument, which reveals that the principles by which we live are enough to reveal our position on the world and on life. (I would add that after we have assumed the validity of morality, we obviously assume that God is good and has good intentions, and it is unlikely that He would create in us a desperate longing to search for meaning, without an answer.)

But here you disagreed with Frankl and claimed that there is no such thing as subjective meaning. Without a binding external religious system, this concept of ‘meaning’ has no validity, since there is no parameter by which we can judge whether our actions are indeed significant, and if so, then such a perception has no way of surviving without a binding religious Torah – which in your opinion is, of course, the Jewish Torah.

And I wonder, then, why did God “abuse” 99.8 percent of the world’s population and not provide them with a solution to this longing? Is the only way for the average Gentile to receive meaning in life through conversion, (which the Torah does not encourage at all)? Or does the fact that the Torah was given to such a small and limited people contradict the notion that there is really any validity behind the human need to search for meaning?


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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago
I didn’t understand the question. He didn’t abuse anyone. A Gentile’s life has just as much meaning as a Jew’s. A Jew also has commandments and halakha, and a Gentile doesn’t. So what? I don’t think necessity proves anything. That’s the anthropological view, and I highly doubt it. Only if you believe your life has meaning does it have evidential weight. Necessity means nothing. That’s the fallacy of mixing the desired with the existing.

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יוס replied 3 years ago

Your argument was that meaning in life depends on belief in an external system that has the authority to impose laws and norms on us. So how exactly does a nation have meaning if it is not bound by anything other than the Seven Commandments of Noahide?

Necessity can prove that after we have gone through all the stages (we have successfully completed Notebook 4), we assume that there is a God who created the world and even designed it and instilled in us feelings and binding norms. In any case, it is only natural that the basic feeling of searching for meaning and human dependence on it will also prove the significance of meaning.

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Not to command but to give validity. Morality is binding without a command, because we know that God expects us to fulfill it. This also applies to non-Jews. The same applies to the development of the world, scientific knowledge, art, and the like. Each according to his talents. The value that these things receive is only from God, even though He did not command. Without Him, there is no objective value for anything (there is of course a subjective value according to the person's feeling).
Searching for meaning in the sense that there is meaning or that we want it to be. That is the whole difference.

יוסי אורצ replied 3 years ago

Sorry, but I didn't understand the bottom line - does true meaning to life depend on belief in God or rather on religious commitment? In this book it sounded like you were taking the second side, and here you are taking the first side.

מיכי replied 3 years ago

Meaning depends on belief. God is needed to enact the laws. Commitment is about ensuring existence, acting according to meaning.

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