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To commemorate the Exodus from Egypt in the days of the Messiah

שו”תCategory: HalachaTo commemorate the Exodus from Egypt in the days of the Messiah
asked 6 years ago

Happy Holidays,
It seems that the halakha is a lie that mentions the Exodus at night and not during the days of the Messiah. On the other hand, the accuracy of the sages also seems convincing that the Exodus will not be uprooted, but will only be superfluous. So what is the halakha? Does this also have an impact on the reading of the Haggadah on Seder night? And are we in the exile community that Jeremiah spoke of? If not now, then when?

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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago

Maimonides, Hal. K.S., Pa. 1, 53, ruled as Ben Zuma. I don’t know how you decide which accuracy is convincing. I don’t see any considerations one way or the other.
I don’t know if we are in the exile community or not. Theological interpretations of history are not my territory (nor others’). And I certainly don’t know when they will be. Futurism is also not my territory (nor others’). You caught me in my weak areas 🙂
 

אורן replied 6 years ago

I once thought of an empirical way to identify whether we are in the era of the ingathering of the exiles:

Leviticus 14:33
When you come to the land of Canaan, which I am giving you to possess, and I will put a plague of leprosy in the houses of the land of your possession,

Chazal require regarding the pair of words that you shall come – you shall all come together. That is, when we reach the state of “you all come together” God is supposed to start giving plagues of leprosy in the houses.

There are additional halachic implications to this beyond remembering the Exodus from Egypt at night, for example: the mitzvah of Jubilee is only practiced during the time of “the coming of all of you,” and also that the bed be from Torah, as well as challah and teruma.

י.ד. replied 6 years ago

I think that if all the Jews are in the Land of Israel, then technically it is a gathering of exiles and we should stop mentioning the Exodus from Egypt, right?

אורן replied 6 years ago

why?

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

The halachic implications are well known. Indeed, several jurists have already written that in terms of the number of Jews in the world today, we are already quite close to the “most of the inhabitants of Aliyah” (in the matter of the seventh, etc.).
The return of the plague of leprosy can indeed be evidence, although it too depends on the fact of the “coming of all of you,” and not on the fact that this coming is the promised gathering of the exiles.

י.ד. replied 6 years ago

A few questions that came to my mind following the Rabbi's answer:
A. Should we stop mentioning the Exodus from Egypt on Seder night or just every day?
B. Should we stop saying Parashat Vayyam?
C. Should we stop saying Parashat Gael Yisrael in the blessings of the Shema altogether, or should we change its wording to mention the gathering of the exiles and the establishment of the State of Israel?

(If the Rabbi wants inspiration for changing the wording, one can take from the Haggadah that Ben-Gurion composed for his kibbutz here:
https://www.zeevgalili.com/2011/04/14672
)

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

I don't know. This is the path to the Messiah.

י.ד. replied 6 years ago

To the Messiah in his personal sense or in his collective sense?

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

both

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