Towards next year – Yeshiva?
Hello Rabbi. I am a graduate of a high school yeshiva, you could say “a successful student”. Doesn’t cause problems, studies well. (I skipped a grade in elementary school). With an excellent matriculation, 5 math, physics, computer science, English and of course Gemara.
I am very attracted to studying physics and computer science, and programming in general. It interests me and I want to study at university. My father (a rabbi…) and my mother really, really want me to go to a good yeshiva and grow up in Torah and then (at age 35? 🙂 ) study a profession. He wants me to be a scholar, and a wise scholar.
I’m not that attracted to it. I believe in God and the Torah and the Oral Torah and the Mitzvot (you helped me a lot reading the pamphlets, thank you!), I have daily study (currently with my father) of the Gemara in the Ba Kama, but, to be honest, it doesn’t really attract me.
Even if I didn’t really study in “Iyun Yeshivati”, I manage to decipher and understand the Gemara Rashi Tosafot, and understand the teachings that the rabbi in the high school yeshiva or my father taught me. Sorry, it’s not that exciting and interesting to me, I do feel satisfaction and it’s not that I don’t like studying. But I don’t feel like doing it every day, all day long, until the day comes when I can spread my wings. Today, I really enjoy reading things on the Internet about programming and mathematics. The Gemara with all the “who must pay and why, or all this division and bickering” simply doesn’t stand up to the competition, sorry..
Father says that it is very important to study in yeshiva in order to build a spiritual world and that the connection with God and the mitzvot is the most important thing in life and must not be lost. But I feel that I am strong enough in my faith and even in my Torah study, and it does not interest me that much to study Gemara. It also bothers me to study in yeshiva so as not to become secular or a hypocrite. And
I’m not writing to you so that you can rule on Halacha (I’m sure you won’t do that), but I do want to hear your opinion, which I do value. Should I go to a yeshiva (for a year or two or something like that… “the university won’t run away”), lest I miss out on real learning, and that my brain isn’t developed enough yet and only there will I understand. Or go to university (a dream at the Technion) to study physics and computer science.
By the way, the military is irrelevant because I have a medical exemption.
Thank you very much!!
Hello.
I’m not one of those who think that the number of years in yeshiva is the determining factor. On the contrary, sometimes studying when you don’t feel like it makes studying boring and hurts your studies later in life.
It is indeed worthwhile to reach a level of good theoretical study so that later in life you can set times for Torah. This is not to develop motivation but ability. I think a year or two in a yeshiva shouldn’t bother you much, although if you feel like you are doing it against your will and with great reluctance, don’t do it.
(I am not the original questioner)
From your familiarity with the world of the national religious yeshiva.
Which yeshiva are good in learning? In which yeshiva is it possible to grow and develop and has high standards and a good program?
On the eve of Elul 5772
To Noam, – Hello,
Maybe the solution that will suit you is the ‘Lev Institute’ where you will receive high-level studies in both the scientific and Torah fields. When you have a solid Torah-educational foundation – you can do a master's and doctoral degree at the Technion or any reputable university
With blessings ‘May it be a year of opening possibilitiesࢩ, Sh–T
I've been asked this many times. I don't have enough knowledge. In general, it depends mostly on you and less on the yeshiva.
Noam Shalom, I tend to agree with Shatz, as much as academic studies at the Lev Institute suit you, at the same time you have to be careful and vigilant. From time to time, ultra-Orthodox figures infiltrate the Lev Institute, and instead of purifying the impure, they defile the pure, just like a "red heifer," and that's it.
To Benjamin he said
Haredi leaders at the Lev Institute are turning it into the Leib Institute, it is truly a revival 🙂
With blessings, Kim-Shuein Zweibelringer
By the way, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz ztzel has a son called ‘Amchi”H’, acronym: ‘Abraham Moshe Chaim Hillel’ after his two grandfathers. Rabbi Steinsaltz also has a son ‘Menachem Yaakov Zvi’. I thought he was called ‘Mi”tz’, but it turned out that his nickname is ‘Manni’
Hahaha
Benjamin,
When you warn against Haredi high-ranking people, what do you mean?
To the type of Neturei Karta, Sikiriki, Peleg Yerushalmi, Hasidim, Lithaim, Shasnikim, new Haredi or national religious Haredi???
To all types???
Are you opposed to studying the ancient books and yeshiva heads who were also Haredi?
Are there any concessions for Haredi who served in the army?
Is this also an opposition to Haredi who volunteer for, for example, in Ezer Mitzion or in the rescue?
Maybe you can give us a little more background?
Benjamin????
The innocent questioner, blessings and peace,
Regarding your question about identifying the Haredi hypocrites, I am indeed referring to all types, anyone who identifies themselves as Haredi or identifies with one of their sects, who will not tell the majority. It is very easy to distinguish those who are hypocrites in themselves and in their surroundings, both near and far. A society of savages that declares private and logical judgment as something limited to the narrowest areas of life, such as: “Should one or two kugel be eaten at Kiddush?”, a society of savages capable, in force and in practice, of all the wrongs that even the people of Sodom and Gomorrah did not even think of, and above all their ability to hang their hypocrisy on the minds of senile and demented “gods”, as if in this way they can atone for their crimes, as is customary in various Christian institutions.
I see no benefit in studying their books, except for books of halacha and as a placeholder, and this is to sharpen the learner's mind in identifying logical errors.
The ancients were not Haredi, the Haredi are a new phenomenon in the world of Israel (by the way, the Dalits are also a new phenomenon), the only division that existed in ancient times was between those who worshipped God and those who did not worship Him alone.
A Haredi who served in the army and was recognized de facto as a true source of authority, indeed deserves respect for his specific actions, he must continue to be brought closer to the springs of understanding and knowledge. A Jew is condemned wherever he is.
Haredi who volunteer in Haredi organizations neither elevate nor demote them by volunteering, since their sole goal is anarchy and disobedience to any rule of law, in the sense of not doing what is required but doing what they want.
OK. We must put your distorted thinking in order.
A. We need to understand when did Harediism begin? From the days of the Vilna Gaon? From the days of the Ba'asha? From the days of the old settlement?
After all, you can't go all the way back to the Rishonim or the Amoraim and the Tan'ani and claim that they were Haredi and that you are not bound by their words? Because if you deviate from that, you will be considered an apocryphal heretic.
B. I think we can both agree that Haredi Judaism began to lose direction a bit in the early 1990s.
What caused this, in my opinion, was the building of communities closed to Haredi. The separation took its toll. And the situation got worse and worse.
Yated Ne'eman is also the most serious in his way and whoever was not in the mainstream. He got caught and flew out.
Our eyes are fixed on the fruits of these plantings, that is, the Jerusalem faction.
And let's not forget that the secularists also went to extremes in their actions and the rope was stretched on both sides.
C. During the 1990s, Rabbi Sh”ch, who led with great authority, grew very old and until his death, there was no organized leadership.
And in my opinion, the activists did whatever they could. And this reality unfortunately continues today. And even when successors arose (and the public really did not accept it easily), it was very difficult to turn the wheel back.
I don't know how well you know, but a word from Rabbi Sh”ch was a word. And no one dared to stand against it. Everyone respected him and it's a shame he lost.
Many feel the difference.
D. Is it because there may be a failure in the leadership and the activists interfere in everything that we should stop being Haredi?
The extremist groups have always been like this and don't label and mix all types of Haredi together.
In the moderate groups, you can find whole and fearing people whose only desire is to serve the Lord? Between a person and a place and between a person and his fellow until the coming of the Redeemer of Justice.
And what about the fact that they put the Maran Garach at their head?
There is no argument in this.
As long as they do not interfere with your right to worship the ’ as they wish.
And you will find a “cool” rabbi when you desire.
E. What is the alternative you are presenting? National religious?
Don't you know that there is no community without problems and I can label all the Dalim as hillbilly on the one hand or religious lite on the other…
And I will not do that. Because I was also on this side and grew up with the Dalim community.
I took the good things from every community together with what I received from my father's house and even added my own to it.
F. What are the springs of understanding that you talk about? You are selling strawberries to yourself!!!
There is no and will not be as it is written that in the days of the Messiah the truth will be absent. And since this world is not called,. I do not relate to what is happening around me but try to pray and fulfill the commandments as stated in the books of Halacha. To set times for Torah. And to strengthen myself with good qualities. That's it.
I don't understand what's your point in constantly digging in the kheyee
G. One argument you wrote at the end. Perhaps it belongs to all the Haredii.
The lack of recognition of the rule of law.
But even in this, you have to divide between extremist groups and moderate groups.
And even if they do what they want, in the end they will be fined or punished in some other way. Until six months ago, there was nothing that should interfere with your personal life.
The corona highlighted this aspect in the life of the Haredii. Again, especially among the extremists.
And your anger came out mainly around the instruction of the Gerach at the beginning of the first wave. Which today everyone already recognizes as the righteousness of his words. (Think, think.)
So come on, move forward and stop shuffling and blabbering on about it. With all kinds of funny questions about the Haredii and their customs.
H. If in the question of the “flaw of the covenant” – you claimed to be wasting time and engaging in nonsense. I think this definitely applies to your Haredi obsession as well.
Hope I made some sense…
“Today everyone already recognizes the justice of his words”.Is there no limit to the words of folly?.All fools recognize the justice of his words, but what is important is the person who died, not the world. Beyond the sad results in the Haredi public, even he himself has retracted his words. Talk to the wall.
And by the way, Benjamin's obsession with the Haredim was aroused long before the Corona. It heralded the arrival of the Corona. Go out and learn how much higher the ways of the Garb”:G were than our ways.
Why talk to the wall?
Here I will quote a response I wrote on the question “The Sages of Israel and the Bullies” –
With each passing day, the clear opinion of the Rabbi as you mentioned becomes clear. (Regarding leaving the yeshiva students in their places of study)
Also the fact that even though our situation today is worse than the first wave – the state the Corona Committee the great experts – are leaving the education system functioning with all their might so that parents can go to work and no one even dreams of imposing a lockdown!!!
Not to mention the gathering of thousands at left-wing demonstrations that is permitted compared to prayers and weddings.
Parties of soldiers and/or Slavs without supervision and no fines. But the main thing is that the yeshiva students will break down in the streets.
Who will be held accountable for that????
And the fact that the decisions on the restrictions are made by pulling them out of the waist have already been mentioned??? See Yifat Shasha's entry.
But what?? In the first wave, the public was in hysteria (and this is what Bibi wanted) while Rabbi Kanievsky was not in hysteria. That's the whole difference!!
Rabbi Chaim withdrew because fines were given to institutions and synagogues. Of course, if a responsible way to eradicate the epidemic was stated, we would all mobilize for it.
But when the way is complete nonsense and the situation is currently extremely bad, and despite this, no one opens their mouths and beeps. And even “Mr. Corona Projector” shuffles around in flip-flops and doesn't know his right from his left.
And even the Ramada”a claims that the Ministry of Health's guidelines are not necessarily correct. So what's left?
It would have been better to leave the holy places open. Maybe he will have mercy, maybe he will have mercy…
Instead of telling us that we were punished and thrown out of the synagogues.
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