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Unborn prey

שו”תCategory: HalachaUnborn prey
asked 2 years ago

Peace and blessings, Rabbi Michi.
I’m planning a trip abroad and trying to figure out what kind of bread I can eat there, and I saw that in France they say you can buy a fat-free French baguette that is accepted as kosher in terms of products and relies on the Flatbread Permit.
My question is why is there no problem with the fact that the bread was apparently baked in a teref oven (with the non-kosher breads)? I heard that they base it on the fact that it was not a new-born teref. How can such a thing be assumed?
Assuming that the permission is based on this, the oven is an unborn prey, is it not when a Gentile bakes/cooks not specifically for me that there is no penalty imposed by Chazal for cooking in a vessel that is an unborn prey to begin with? What is the source of this?
Thank you very much!


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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago
If your question is practical, I don’t have the data regarding the oven and the baking method. I assume it can vary from place to place, so there are laws of sufficiency and majority. Anyway, when I checked about 12 years ago, the experts said there was no problem with the baguettes there, so you can trust that. I know very good Jews who ate baguettes in Paris. They are plain (no additives) and fresh baguettes. The packaged ones can be problematic. It’s worth checking on the relevant websites whether all of this is still valid today, because I saw in “Koshrut” a claim that it may have changed (although I don’t have much faith in them).

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מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

Beyond that, cooking in a non-conventional vessel is forbidden, but the food was simply not forbidden. And of course, when a Gentile is sealed, the prohibition on cooking has no meaning.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

I asked a Parisian acquaintance of mine and he said that the situation hasn't changed and people still eat bakery baguettes.

אורן replied 2 years ago

Why don't you have much faith in kosher?

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

Because they are motivated by political interests and a conservative agenda, anti-Zohar and pro-rabbinate, etc. Classic distortions in the haredim's kosher struggles.

עדן replied 2 years ago

Thank you! The question is of course practical.
You asked about what the rabbi wrote – “When a Gentile is circumcised, the prohibition to cook has no meaning” Is there a problem in saying this to a Gentile and in fact that he does it for me or is it because it is for everyone and not specifically for me that there is no problem with it?

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

You don't say anything to him and you don't even meet him.
And even if there was a statement, it is “shevut deshvat”, and they permit instead of a mitzvah or a great need.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

Someone just told me that it's usually okay, but it's worth asking the baker if he puts fat in the oven (as mentioned, if it's usually okay, you can follow the majority if you don't know and can't ask).

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