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שו”תCategory: generalWhere are we headed?
asked 1 month ago

After the unfortunate murder of Charlie Kirk yesterday (the rabbi must have heard about it), which shows that freedom of expression is a supreme value only if you are on the right side, how can one deal with the situation the world is moving towards, where global progress is gaining momentum and destroying anyone who tries to oppose it? (The man would make interesting arguments in a charming way, never yell, never talk dirty, and he simply mowed down leftists, queers, and Muslims to the point of tears for years using only fourth-grade logic that they did not have.)
Are we reaching a time when it is better to keep our mouths shut so as not to be murdered? Is this the “progress” we have made since ancient periods in history?
A sad day for democracy, for logic, for respectful discourse, and for humanity.


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מיכי Staff answered 1 month ago
This “question,” which is nothing more than a hysterical statement, should have been deleted. But I’m leaving it because it’s an excellent example of the shallow discourse that you’re supposedly here to save. A. As far as I can see, the murderer hasn’t been caught yet. You’ve already decided who he is and why it happened. B. The murder of one person by another says nothing about the direction of humanity. Even if you are right about the claim itself. It is not this murder that proves it. C. You are indeed right that progressivism takes violent approaches of silencing and intolerance, but it is not just them of course. D. That Kirk, whose exploits I did not know until now, seems to me far from being the same contributing personality that you described here. It is worth taking a look at his value on Wikipedia. This of course does not mean that he should be killed, or that he was not a supporter of Israel. But it seems that he was a very complex and problematic man (unless Wikipedia is also part of the protocols of the elders of the cosmic progress). E. I haven’t heard or read anything of his, but I still doubt how much of a fourth-grade logic you can use to break down all of the Progressives’ claims and the claims against Israel, and how much his logical superiority was so clear. But I really haven’t checked that.

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דוד שווץ replied 1 month ago

The rabbi doesn't know Kirk at all, so I'll point out that the Wikipedia entry is very anti-Semitic and unfair (or, God forbid, neutral). As the rabbi hypothesized, the entry is part of the Progress Protocol, as unfortunately happens with many entries.
The entire part about an anti-Semitic conspiracy is fabricated and delusional, and so on. Since this is the third response I've written on his behalf, I'll point out that I don't feel any ideological identification with him at all, he's an American right-winger, less my taste, but he's certainly not delusional or extremist. His words were legitimate and calm and aligned with the mainstream right-wing in America, the part with the coronavirus is shared by the American right and most of it is not conspiratorial like the version we knew in Israel, more of a philosophical dispute about freedom in democracy.
His character is no more problematic than any other well-known right-wing figure in the US, and more moderate than figures like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh or Trump Rachel.

דוד ש. replied 1 month ago

Did the rabbi read the cherry picking on the rabbi in the ’complex’?

Reading it suggests that Epicurus was more religious than the rabbi.

מיכי Staff replied 1 month ago

I haven't read it. I'm aware of the agendas on Wikipedia (my son was a very central Wikipedian in the early years). But there are statements there about the cure for Corona, etc. that sounded delusional. Like Trump's. But it doesn't matter. My words don't depend on any of that.

דוד ש. replied 1 month ago

Of course. I didn't criticize the rabbi, God forbid, I just knew.
I responded strongly on the subject, because the murder shocked me for several reasons, mainly because he is a man who is easy to connect with on a personal level (not politically, exactly), a family man and a politician who does not curse his opponents but discusses them with respect. He was a very beloved figure (it is clear that the shock in the US is very great, right-wing TV hosts cried on the air, people who are not so sensitive like Ben Shapiro or Patrick Beit David also cried {authentically, not like Deri and the Onion} in the broadcasts surrounding the event) and for years it has disgusted me how people define as delusional, messianic, extremist, spreaders of hatred and the like’ personalities who do not know a word of their words firsthand, just because they are on the other side. And then, on a respected platform like the website, I find it exactly – Immediately after the man was murdered (needless to say, you don't murder someone you don't agree with, even if they were a real anti-Semite), it bothered me a lot. In the first question I answered, a man accused Kirk of "numerous anti-Semitic expressions." Anyone who has heard even a little of Kirk's words will chuckle at this accusation. This was his first explanatory asset in his rise to power in Israel (long before the war). It is clear that the questioner (who didn't really try to ask) learned about Kirk from that Wikipedia entry, and then, absurdly, accused Kirk of lies and hatred.

מיכי Staff replied 1 month ago

I will note that supporting Israel does not prove that it does not have anti-Semitic expressions. The two can easily coexist. Certainly when Israel is against Muslims.

דוד ש. replied 1 month ago

True. I noticed when I wrote, I assumed the rabbi would notice this point and I thought to expand, but I have extended it enough. There is no doubt that this is not anti-Semitic, ironically, it is a false plot. You can read the discussions on Wikipedia where readers were astonished at this catalog given under such a poor excuse.

ינון replied 1 month ago

Thank you for the rabbi deciding not to delete and answering. (I didn't receive an email notification so I just saw it now)
If the rabbi doesn't know, this is really a pointless question. (Makes sense considering that most of his work is on social media).
The points the rabbi raised are important. Maybe I exaggerated in the descriptions but this is an important person in the information arena from the side of Israel and from the side of the right in general.
(- Maybe not all the arguments of the left can be easily refuted but the level of arguments in the US among students is very low so in this case it was easy and entertaining). In any case, thank you

דוד ש. replied 1 month ago

Ironically, a blood libel*

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