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שו”תCategory: generalWhich would be better for you?
asked 1 year ago

Following on from previous questions, another point:
 
If I accept the argument that “something” was given at Sinai, I can argue that it is also very likely to be extended. It is hard to imagine that an entire group would take on such an oppressive and arbitrary religious obligation, with such a level of piety and fanaticism, without convincing reasoning. So, while it is not entirely clear what the content of the commandments we received at Sinai was, whether they were well kept, and whether “noise” was added to them, there is nevertheless good reason to think that the *reasoning* for why the commandments should be kept was as smooth as the historical account itself. If I promised the children a lemon popsicle, it is unlikely that I would be able to convince them – all of them at once – that I had actually promised them raspberry juice.
It follows from this that there is considerable credibility in the biblical text and tradition regarding the question “why one must keep the commandments,” even if there is less credibility in the question of which ones.
At the end of “The First Commandment” you dismiss the “because it is beneficial” argument as a valid argument for why there should be a religious obligation. But almost everywhere I see in the biblical text, when we are challenged on this issue, this is the answer. Because it is beneficial. It is good. For us and for our children. It prolongs our lives here in the land and makes them good.
 
 
Maybe this is a valid argument? If I believe that the Torah was given at Sinai, and that this Torah included commandments and instructions, and that the reason for keeping them was also given and is – so that it will be good for us, then maybe this is a good enough reason and no others are needed?
Whoever/whatever was discovered at Sinai probably has miraculous powers, so it makes sense that he knows what is good for us. It is very reasonable to trust him. Even if I find it burdensome, he knows better than me. Therefore, I should listen to him and keep his laws.
Does that make sense to you?
 
Another thing that may stem from this is that if there are commandments that – clearly! – do not do us any good, then they are probably ingrained errors and perhaps we need to look for ways to eradicate them. Because by definition they cannot be commandments. Of course, it is very difficult to prove that a commandment necessarily does harm. It is possible that genocide will do us good, in unknown ways that are difficult to explain and wonderful beyond human understanding. But still, theoretically, the commandments are supposed to do us good, and this provides a conceptual opening for attempting to set criteria and tests for the question of what is a true mitzvah and what is an ingrained error.
What do you think about things?


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מיכי Staff answered 2 months ago
This is work for no other reason. There is no need to understand the verses as if they are about the reason for keeping the commandments. They are about a result, but it is not necessarily the reason. See Rambam, p. 10, teshuvah.

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מוטב replied 1 year ago

What does it matter that this is work for no other reason?

Maybe I am interested in the result? That the people of Israel will be well in their land. And I don't care about the reason.

There is a seemingly divine promise here that if the people of Israel keep the commandments, they will be well in their land. This is not an immediate promise or a personal promise.

This is not a private providence. It is not so that I will receive all the blessings and so that I will not be cut off from the life of the world to come. It is so that someday, perhaps in the distant future, the people of Israel will be well in their land.

If I have a personal interest in the people of Israel being well in their land, and I feel a responsibility to contribute my part in the matter, and I am largely convinced (in part because of the extended argument of the witness that I am trying to offer) that indeed if the people of Israel observe the commandments it will advance the matter – is this a logical reason to be committed to the commandments?

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

It is certainly a good stava to keep a mitzvah. A dip is not an obligation to a mitzvah. I am not obligated to take medicine or eat. I take or eat because it benefits me.

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