Why delete? Or answer. Or say I don’t know…

On the day that marks the anniversary of Kristallnacht, I brought a quote from Michi's words, referring to the behavior of some of the Haredi public, during the Corona period.

The quote is as follows:

*”If we were in Russia or Ukraine in the nineteenth century, I think massacres and pogroms would break out here. Suddenly I begin to understand how it happened then (and I don't fully understand how it doesn't happen today).”*

I did not claim that Michi justifies the pogroms that were in Eastern Europe at the time, but as someone who understands (Michi of course understands) why they happened, I asked him if he also understands and thinks that in Western Europe, for example on Kristallnacht, the Jews also behaved in one way or another in a problematic way. Therefore, in a logical way, it is also possible to understand the Germans from the events of Kristallnacht.

– I was not a troll.
-I did not come to declare anything.
-The question was indeed meticulous.

It is legitimate to ask about Mikhi's understandings and thoughts, in order to understand his line of thought (and perhaps also to understand his soul), especially since the basis of everything is a direct quote from his words.

And what was the result?

Of course, the question was deleted.

Will Mikhi delete it this time too or will I receive a direct answer about his understanding of what also happened in Western Europe?

It was a long time ago, and I don't remember the details. But I'm reading now and indeed there is no question here and it's complete trolling that was rightly deleted.

Why do you answer like that, Mikhi?
Why call it a troll?

After all, it is known that even in Germany in the 20th century today there are Haredi Jews, although not as many as in Eastern Europe,
but perhaps Haredi Jews were also harmed on Kristallnacht (quite a few synagogues were burned, that's for sure).

So as you wrote clearly that you understand (without justifying) the Gentiles who carried out pogroms in Eastern Europe in the 19th century, I wanted to know if you are also referring to the pogrom in the 20th century that was carried out in Western Europe.
Do you also understand the Germans here, who did this because of the inappropriate behavior of the Jews/Haredi?

Now, I understand that it may not be pleasant to read what I write, and it may also not be pleasant to answer, but again, the question is asked in all seriousness. Also, it is all based on things you wrote.

So it's good that this time you chose not to delete the question, but maybe you can also provide an answer to my question – Do you think it is possible to understand pogroms in Western Europe in the 20th century?

This is a troll because the question is crazy (from the word troll). What do you want to achieve with this question? To know what I think about German Jews? To prove that I am wrong in my statement about the Haredim today? As for the second one, it is not relevant in any way that I can see, and as for the first one, I do not see why it is important.
As for your unimportant question, I do not know the behavior of German or Western European Jews at that time, especially since there is no one place and time here and therefore it is impossible to give a general answer. Therefore, I cannot say anything clear about it.

I hope it is now clear why all of this is a troll in the first place. Unimportant and irrelevant questions are characteristic of trolls, especially when they try to use them to express a protest against a previous statement of mine (as you probably wanted to do here). If you want to express a protest, please express it to yourself (I think you have already done so) and do not confuse your mind and waste time with irrelevant questions. And especially do not insist again and again after I have told you clear things as a statement to every bar in the world.
I answer in this style because I find it hard to believe that you don't understand this yourself. As the saying goes: A troll's answer is as foolish as his own.

I conclude that you do know the behavior of Eastern European Jews in the 19th century.
I assume that you wrote that sentence in the article in a completely serious and thoughtful manner.

So I will patiently wait for good sources about the behavior of Eastern European Jews in the 19th century.

If I may answer. The truth is that essentially there was no difference (at least in the eyes of the Nazis) between the Haredim and the assimilated ones there in Germany. I saw documentation in the Kibbutz Machane HaGhetto where the Nazis showed (as part of their propaganda) a picture of an assimilated Jew, shaved, with round glasses and no kippah, and next to it a picture of him with a beard and a hat (and with the same glasses) as if to say that every Jew is Haredim in disguise. And the truth is that this is essentially true. The essence is people without a nation who just want to get by in their lives at the expense of the nation in which they live. The Haredim in their distinctive and deceiving form, the German Fritz (who in himself is a savage in a civilized disguise and an animal. And this is especially true of the Ukrainians and Poles who really were savages) and the assimilated (who today are parallel to the democratic Jews in the US and most of the leftists in Israel today, for whom nationality is an obscene word and are drawn to the fashions of other Western nations) who care about nothing but their personal and private advancement and who occupy key positions in the economy (due to their talent and sometimes due to their deceit and deceit) at the expense of members of the same nation in which they live.

This is in fact the usual struggle between the smart and weak nerd and the stupid thug. The thug is a savage. But the nerd is also spineless and unable to look straight at and fight directly (like a man) against the thug, but is forced to use his intelligence to trick and evade him. And for that the bully hates him and harasses him

Here please forgive me for the vert of this week's parashos but it is a real vert, so they say. In fact, this is a kind of struggle between Jacob and Esau. Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel were supposed to give rise to the more advanced situation of the Jews. Not of Jacob who deceives Esau and evades Leban, but of Israel who struggles with Esau's spirit and can. Well, in light of the left on the one hand and the mustard on the other hand, this act apparently succeeded only partially

In any case, it seems to me that this explains the hatred of Jews everywhere – even in Western Europe

Ehud Nesma. Your question is completely trollish. Because in the pogroms of Kristallnacht and the like, when the Nazis came to power, the declared goal was to remove the Jews from Germany or exterminate them. Which later expanded to exterminate or remove the Jews from all of Europe (depending on the historians' dispute about when exactly it was finally decided to exterminate the Jews) on an *ethnic* basis. And the Nazis never claimed, not even in disguise, that the behavior stemmed from a basis other than ethnic (of course there were excuses that the Jews were being careless, taking jobs, and promoting communism. But there was also a declared statement that the action was valid for any ethnic Jew, whatever his ethnicity. And this was not something that depended on the specific behavior of the Jewish communities.). Unlike the pogroms in Ukraine, Russia, at least in the statement, it was said that the pogroms stemmed from the specific behavior of the communities. Jewishness (whether blood libels or anything else. And the pogroms were sometimes people's. And not through the government and sometimes both. And how they were not pogroms that were part of a plan to destroy all the Jews in the world). Therefore, it is clear why in the first case, Michi's statement is not related at all. But about the cases of Ukraine and Russia, his statement can be logically reasonable in a conclusive way (even if it is outrageous and does not make sense at all and it also exalted me at the time. But you can express a protest even without ridiculous historical comparisons)

Comma*

Rational,
By the way, even if you prove that all the exterminations in Western Europe were really for real ethnic reasons (and not just outwardly), in my opinion it still doesn't show even a shred of logic in Michi's words.

I won't philosophize with you about this. Let's make life easier.

How do you explain Michi's logic about the P-P riots (which came long before the Nazis), as well as other riots that occurred in Western Europe, long before the Nazis?

To the rational

Your words are nonsense. What does a pogrom on ethnic grounds mean? Why didn't they like this people? What was wrong with them in their eyes? It was because of their behavior that the Nazis abhorred. They didn't distinguish between communities because they generalized behavior that they saw as Jewish (it wasn't just a purge, it was a real hatred of something that was bad in their eyes). And if you say that they wanted German blood purity, then I'm sure that if the Jews were a chosen and noble people in their eyes, then they themselves would have wanted to be Jews.

Ehud.
You are welcome to ask Mikhi what he thinks about the pogroms of the PfP. Or about other pogroms in Western Europe and Germany that preceded the Nazis' rise to power by hundreds of years, and whether in his opinion these can also be attributed to primitive, arrogant, and egotistical behavior. Personally, I don't really think there was a strong connection between the behavior of the Jewish communities and the pogroms and murders of the local communities. And even then, in his post, I wrote that in my opinion this is an outrageous statement. Even if the Jews in those countries treated the foreign communities with condescension and disdain. (And it is very logical that this was the case in some cases). I don't think this is the reason the riots broke out (but as I wrote then, in my opinion the reasons are stereotypical Christian and primitive anti-Semitism that was strongly rooted in violent and barbaric populations. What I am saying is that the comparison to the pogroms of the German regime is anarchistic. There, the goal of the authorities, as is known, was to arouse the The pogroms. Against the background of hatred and ideology that all Jewish genes are contaminated. And this was not a classic blood libel. Or hatred that could somehow logically understand the link that a Jew could make to it. To selfish, contemptuous and parasitic behavior (which, as I said, I do not agree with this link. But its logic can be understood in my opinion).

Dear Emmanuel.

Nazi hatred. In my humble opinion. And it is also possible to argue about this historically. Was indeed a special thing of strong ideological fervor of ethnic hatred. Because as you wrote, they did not distinguish between community and community. Nor between Jews who were completely converted. And they even included in the same hatred half and quarter Jews who had no connection to the Jewish people and the Jewish communities. It was far beyond the stereotypes and classic hatred of Christians / other Gentile peoples for Jews.

On the 23rd of Kislev, 5752

The rabbi explained how many times the rabbi asked the question, and the building was rejected in truth; may his peace increase without a quorum,

I will also bring a question before the rabbi: So you call yourself a ‘chantris’, but what sin did your grandfather commit that you call him a ‘chantris rabba’?

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For those who want to argue and criticize the site owner – the opportunity is given in ’reactions’ to his words, such as your excellent claim: Regarding the site owner's words that he understands the pogroms, etc., things that were said in Idna Dritcha in one of the posts on the subject of the Haredim and the Corona virus – can and should be written as a response to the rabbi's words in that post.

As a young man we spent time with, without the burden of studies and livelihood, you have all the time in the world, good and prosperous for you. But you should consider a busy man, who, in addition to the burden of Torah, family and livelihood, has taken it upon himself to be a teacher to the confused, to the hundreds and thousands who thirst to hear his opinion.

Even those who do not like the answers of the site owner can appreciate his dedication to answering his questions. The least that can be given to the host is to leave the channel of ’questions and answers’ to those who really ask as a student of his rabbi. We will leave the criticism and polemics to the level of ’responses’ and in this you will act like your father, who, as the Jews of the East, certainly adhered to ‘the way of the land’

With best wishes, Yaron Tzemach Fishel-Plankton

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On the 23rd of Kislev, P.A.

To Emmanuel, Greetings,

The Nazis' hatred of Jews was derived from their hatred of the Jews, who, in their opinion, had infected the West with the "moral" virus. A virus that was transmitted to Europe by the Jewish scriptures, which called for the values of justice, mercy, and peace, and through the torments of conscience, the "blonde wild beast," which seeks to give free rein to violent sensualism.

This is where the hatred for Jews came from, who, in addition to being the bearers of Judaism that passed on to the world the ‘morality of slaves’, also constituted in their lifestyles the complete opposite of the ’blonde wild beast’, being diligent and loyal, aspiring to knowledge and willing to make an effort, qualities that brought them success both in business and in the academic and political worlds, far beyond their proportion in the population.

Jews were devoted to their work, to their community, to their family and to the country in which they lived, and did not waste their time in beer cellars and brothels. And their success aroused the envy of those who were greedy and powerful. Indeed, the Jews, even if they did not preserve the tradition of their ancestors in observing the commandments – They maintained the typical Jewish qualities: literacy and diligence, dedication and loyalty, and this the ‘blonde wild animals’ could not forgive.

Best regards, Yaron Tzemach Fischel-Plankton

Shchel,
Hen Hen. But I have no problem with criticism, except that in response there should be questions and not statements. If there is a critical question, that is perfectly fine. There is no necessity for the questioner to treat me as a rabbi and accept my words. On the contrary, I highly recommend that no one treat me that way.

So for the sake of “rationality”, we will update the question for Michy –

Why does Michy think that pogroms and riots have broken out over the years in Western Europe, beyond riots that were based on “hatred of Jewish genes”?

Does Michy understand that the Jews there also behaved in a “socially improper” manner, which caused the wrath of the Gentiles in those Western European countries to arise?

To the Jewish people

As I mentioned, the Nazis and the rest of the Gentiles are human animals (even today. The vast majority of humans are more human-like, in human guises, than humans. As far as I'm concerned, Rabbi Kook is a human being for reference). But the Jews, more than spreading morality (not exactly spreading it - that's what the Christians did - who are themselves moralists), spread the virus of "morality". The morality of the Diaspora Jews was indeed the morality of slaves (meaning the manipulation of the weak, immoral, on the strong, immoral, which in itself is not problematic (in tricks, make war on you), only that it is a lie and a fake) and in this sense I justify the hatred (not the actions) of the Nazis. Not only do I understand. I justify. I also hate morality and righteousness. First of all, these blondes (Germans) were a hardworking and productive cultured people as we see them today, not one that is busy drinking and debauchery. You are confusing them with Eastern Europeans. The German diaspora Jews were indeed hardworking and intellectually ambitious, but I will disagree about their willingness to put in the effort (I doubt whether efforts to evade taxes through creative accounting are considered effort). These Jews were ambitious, but also lacked mutual guarantees for their people (to the community yes, but not to the people) and not to the nations in which they lived. So there is little loyalty here. It is no wonder that most of the anti-Semitism in America comes from blacks and Hispanics, who are themselves immigrants and who perceive Jews as getting rich and progressing at the expense of others.