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Wine touched by a secular person

שו”תCategory: HalachaWine touched by a secular person
asked 9 years ago

Peace and blessings.
What is the Rabbi’s opinion on (uncooked) wine that has been touched by someone who publicly violates Shabbat?
Thank you very much.


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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago
What does it mean? What is my opinion? Halacha prohibits it. Although some have written that those who desecrate Shabbat today have a different law, I do not think that this can be based on and permitted. Although in times of stress it seems possible to be lenient. See briefly here: http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/10930

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רונן replied 9 years ago

A case of insult (military, etc.), this is a time of crisis/what would the rabbi do in such a situation?

דניאל replied 9 years ago

I understand that there are jurists who permit it, such as the one mentioned:

http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/toshba/halacha/din-2.htm

מיכי Staff replied 9 years ago

Daniel,
Indeed, I meant these opinions.

Ronen,
Since the essence of the prohibition does not exist (see the article that Daniel referred to here) and it is only a formal prohibition, it should be relaxed when possible. Therefore, even in a situation of insult, one can relax. If there was essence here, then the insult is part of the matter, and perhaps if he sees that we do not drink from it, he will repent. But today it seems that this does not belong.

אנונימי replied 8 years ago

Peace to the honorable Rabbi.
Apparently, according to the text there, there seems to be a difference between one who desecrates Shabbat and one who dilutes wine, which is not the same person, and therefore one who desecrates Shabbat does not dilute wine.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I didn't understand the question.

אנונימי replied 8 years ago

The ruling of the Shul is seemingly puzzling. He believes that one who defiles Shabbat is one who pours wine, but it is clear from the Gemara that one who defiles Shabbat is not (the same person who) pours wine.
“…Except for the convert who pours wine and defiles Shabbat in public”. From the way I see the Gem’ there are two people here. I would appreciate the Rabbi's answer.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

First, see the parallel version in Eruvin 7:2, which is closer to the words of the Shulchan. Beyond that, the Gemara there deals with a convert to the געז (a convert to make wine pure) and not with the law of making wine pure by a convert. But it follows from the Gemara there (and so did the HaGar, and I was already asked about this on the site once. Maybe you?) that it follows that a convert to desecrate Shabbat is like a regular convert, and therefore we conclude that a convert to desecrate Shabbat purifies the wine.

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