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asked 6 years ago

You write that answering a prayer is necessarily a miracle. On the surface, it doesn’t have to be. Unlike us, who are bound within the tapestry of time, God is outside of time and everything is laid out before Him, so He can arrange the initial conditions that will suit the prayers that are prayed. That is, He knows in advance whether we will pray or not, and He knows whether He will answer our prayers.


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
Absolutely necessary. Answering prayer means that without the prayer, X would have happened, and because of the prayer, Y happens. Forward or backward or sideways, reality ultimately changes from what would have happened naturally. Initial conditions are also a natural product, and if God changes or adapts them, this is itself an intervention in nature.

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מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Keren wrote:
The argument is this. A space of uncertainty is something that can be prayed about, in fact this uncertainty, if analyzed in its entirety, is already solved. The solution is by considering prayers. God created the world taking the future into account. In other words, prayer does not change nature, but nature was determined from the beginning according to the prayer of the present. Sorry for repeating the argument in other words, I think I was misunderstood.

My response,
Indeed, you still haven't understood. To me it seems like a misnomer.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Keren wrote again:
I will try to refine the question, does prayer cause x to happen instead of y? Yes.
Is this a change from nature? No. This is how it should happen according to the natural sequence from the creation of the world.
If I do not pray, y will happen and not x, but that too naturally. The difference between the situations is that God, when creating the world, sees what I choose because from his perspective time is spread out in front of him like a video camera film.
God does not change the initial conditions every time, but from the very beginning created them suitable for all our choices and prayers.

My comment,
I will not answer in another thread that will be opened on the subject. If there is any problem, it must be solved (you can contact the site editor). I cannot proceed like this.
If everything is an addictive game, then everything is deterministic and that is it. I have already explained here several times that in my understanding there is no possibility of foreknowledge and free will. You can search here and find.

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