Your opinion on sectors affected by the coronavirus
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Hello,
I wanted to ask your opinion about belonging to which sectors due to their behavior with the coronavirus. Although this question may be blasphemous to some people who might read it, I still hope that it will not result in blasphemy or anything like that.
The message is a bit tedious, so I understand if you don’t reply. So just delete it, it’s important to me to hear your opinion on the matter.
We simply argue that the coronavirus is not dangerous for young people, and therefore, it seems to me that there are certain sectors that have decided that sanctifying community and the fear of maintaining the ” devout” religious character of all members of the community is more serious than protecting the lives of the rest of the public in the country and also against general harm to the rest of the country/citizens. So it seems to me that from their perspective, it seems that anyone who is not under that community can basically go to hell, and in general it is reasonable to assume that the hospitals, where of course almost no members of the community work, will be able to treat individuals who fall ill within the community, so the community’s internal protection of life seems insignificant.
P.S. On a personal level, I don’t really understand much, but I think that according to them, the question can be expanded even further because I think it’s even possible that those sectors could perhaps develop herd immunity without many vulnerabilities among the adults because the ratio of the young to the old in the community is quite high due to families having children, etc. And if so, the argument can be expanded and argued that for them, continuing with their routine will have almost no internal impact.
In other words, it seems to me that they are willing to sacrifice the interests of the general public (both on the medical and economic levels) in favor of narrower interests. After all, reaching ~1,000 seriously ill patients across the country is really easy without monitoring, so it seems to me that if such a large public does not adhere to the guidelines at the general public level, it could probably cause this indirectly or even directly.
According to them, I assume they will argue in three different directions –
- Spiritual self-preservation is preferable, and any young man who will deteriorate as a result of lying on the couch at home with an internet connection or going out to work on Sundays, and if there is a fear that an entire community of thousands of yeshiva students and young men will deteriorate spiritually, that is much worse than how many may die indirectly. I heard this expression of concern from a second source from an important religious leader who is very afraid that this is what will happen to his students, and therefore opened the yeshiva, not even according to the capsule outline. The main thing is to protect the hundreds of students from the outside world.
- The integrity of the community is much more important than other vulnerabilities of the economy and perhaps even more… Also, in some communities, the communal experience is almost like an oxygen balloon for the community members, so that its disconnection could cause serious difficulties for some of its members.
- The secularists don’t observe either (due to the demonstrations in Balfour), so if they are allowed to bluff, we are allowed to as well. [Although it feels a little different to me here, because among the secularists there is not so much actual representation of a leftist group that is dragging the demonstrations, but rather it is more the work of individuals, especially since it is a fairly insignificant group compared to the entire secular public, and in general if some of them don’t observe, then are we allowed to completely disregard them?].
In addition, it seems clear to me that a significant portion of the sector’s representatives do not always say the things that will maximize the general public’s profit (even at prices that are not at all high for the public), but rather feel to me that they are making populist statements that will resonate well with voters. Even about completely stupid things.
A. So first, I would love to hear whether you indeed believe that public spiritual pikuach nefesh (and I would love to know to what extent this is the case, will a significant portion of the public stop being avrechim? Will some become corrupt and relax the laws of the rabbis? Will some commit da’u’ offenses? Will they take off their kippah? Will they become infidels, etc.) due to a virus (it is not clear to me that this is talking about the hour of destruction of infidel gentiles, or is it that the secular state is turning this into the hour of destruction) is more important due to considerations of concern for pikuach nefesh on large segments of the general population. Likewise, I would love to hear what the relationship is between this and severe damage to the economy, for example in terms of many unemployed people, etc., which will result in a serious increase in the state’s deficit, which will indirectly require the rest of the public to finance the damages caused by them, etc.
on. Even if it is more important, if fairly large parts of the Israeli public are willing to pay the economic-social price because of the PICON, can that public, on its own, spoil their decision for all the people? And here it is important to remember that the price for that public could be, in its opinion, the profound destruction of that public. So there is indeed a side that can say that it can refuse.
third. Secondly, I would love to hear whether you think that the consideration of desecrating God from the secular world could be a factor in avoiding these acts.
D. I would also like to hear whether you think that following these events it is reasonable to consider continuing to define someone as belonging to those sectors. Indirectly, this of course means “moving” to another sector that is less religiously safe but seems to at least maintain more values overall, etc. (Hardali/religious, etc.).
Thank you very much!
I quite agree with the analysis, but it is worth adding to this the lack of trust they have in the actual damage and in the instructions. Obedience to the law is not a value there, and trust in institutions is very limited. This goes beyond the disproportionate glorification of the values of the community and the Haredi. All of this is discussed in columns 305, 290, 292.
A. I definitely think this is an outrageous decision by a primitive public that is closed in its own 40s and does not understand the world it lives in. I wrote this in my column on the subject. Its leaders have quite a bit of blood on their hands during the Corona period.
B. See the above-mentioned series.
C. Absolutely yes. Although not conclusive, because one does not desecrate Shabbat because of blasphemy. Therefore, it is impossible to separate this question from its predecessors.
D. I am completely in favor of leaving the Haredi sector for many reasons. I think it is run stupidly by a detached leadership, and its religiosity is crooked. This is in addition to several other serious problems. The coronavirus is just a symptom of all of this. Again, look at the above columns and the subsequent talkbacks.
Leave the Haredi sector and move to the … sector?
Leave the Haredi sector and move to the private sector.
Whatever he wants. Why does a person even need to belong to a sector? I would leave all sectors.
That's what I did, but for some reason many people make the strange claim that nowadays we must belong to a sector...
Those who are mentally and emotionally capable of investing great effort and reaching goals in forming a worldview and opinion on any subject can avoid a sector. Just as someone who studies nutrition and spends their entire life researching the effects of certain foods on their body can put together an optimal menu and lifestyle in precise doses and be healthy and alert, etc. For most people, it is better, in terms of maximizing feelings of pleasure, to invest in their area of expertise and in other things to go with the flow (and in parallel – eat according to general information, or review some menu guidelines from the Internet and follow more or less, or prescribe themselves some kind of diet). There are so many people with so many areas of expertise and only exceptional individuals can avoid craters in education in many different and diverse areas, including those that others seem central to. There is also something fractal about the feeling of ignorance in education (when you enter a particular field, your lack of familiarity with a particular subfield is also felt as a serious crater, and it simply never ends) and a person has to choose the front on which they advance.
A vague statement, do you really think that there is a need for mental and spiritual capacity to invest great effort and reach goals in forming a worldview and opinion on every subject in order to avoid belonging to a sector, after all, most people do not form worldviews and opinions on every subject, moreover, there are those who are not interested in forming a worldview and opinion. What is the disadvantage of being a “simple” Jew, just as it was in the not-so-distant past, from then on everyone will give Drud for their thoughts, perceptions and opinions?
Aharon, beautiful. I loved it.
Amira, your words shock me so much that they are, in my opinion, the most refined expression of the need not to belong to a sector. You define a sector as an establishment that makes a whole basket of decisions for me in a sweeping manner that I must automatically adopt. Truly horrifying.
Rabbi, thanks for the references, but I didn't fully understand the argument in A’,
Does the fear of the rabbis' pikuach nefesh (and to what degree of abandonment) reject the rabbis' pikuach gof pikuach?
I assume that this fear is a significant part of the approach… apart from the fear of the destruction of the community, or are they essentially the same fear, although the rabbis have some room for division.
For example, the words of Chazal are well-known: How is it that the one who makes a mistake is more important than the one who is killed? That the one who kills kills in this world and has a share in the world to come, and the one who makes a mistake is killed in this world and in the world to come.
I'm not saying to belong to the sector that your parents belonged to, but to choose a sector as you wish, but not to bother to formulate a reasoned independent view on every issue and make waves, it's simply not important enough and not worthwhile and there are much more important things to do (like learning and knowing real areas of knowledge and raising a happy family and having fun and earning money and getting ahead). Finally, there is something common to all the traits that generally characterize a certain sector and there is an organizing logic, even if it is possible to surgically delve into and split and create a personalized dish. The shock and anxiety you mentioned are, in my opinion, typical of any artist in their field of art who thinks that the field they chose is very important, and who are prone to extreme dramatization. In Sparta, you would educate everyone from the age of 3 to know how to throw javelins.
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What you are actually encouraging is immaturity (lack of maturity). Letting others think for you. But all the things you said stemmed from independent thought (it is better to focus on one area, etc.). So I suggest that you leave thinking about these issues to others because your mind is generally degenerate (part of the part about mind (thinking) is that it is general. Also, trusting other professionals requires a bit of understanding in the professional field in question, if only to know who to trust and not fall into the hands of charlatans). In other words, thinking is also a profession (philosophy). I suggest that you leave thinking about thinking matters to professionals as well
Emanuel, tell me, for example, what unique conclusions you have reached yourself (as opposed to standard affiliation with a sector and presence at a recognized point within it). Rabbi Michi is of course a unique example of someone who has plowed and milled in everything and also created his own conclusions. If he is Shakespeare, then everyone should write sonnets for themselves? If we have already come to suggestions, then I suggest that you, after the ridiculous farce you presented here on Rosh Hashanah Eve, get off the pretentious cloud of absurdities that you are sailing on with an extreme lack of self-awareness.
As a substitute or addition to the private sector, I propose moving to the sector of the Jewish people.
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You are just a creature. I have nothing more to say
Or in short, I did not fulfill the scripture: "Do not speak in the ears of a fool, for he will despise your understanding."
Y’ I referred you to the columns.
As a rule, no one is allowed to endanger others because of their own weaknesses and their desire to protect themselves from them. Incidentally, from this perspective, there is no step on earth that is not a pikuah nefesh. I have not seen anyone there who is careful to avoid smoking cigarettes. Although, in the same primitive thinking that I mentioned, they think that even a cell phone and texting are pikuah nefesh. That is exactly what I was talking about.
On the 4th of Tishrei 5721
In this, we will distinguish Professor Roni Gamzo, who is not a supporter of the ’lockdowns’, since stopping the routine of life, economic and community, has a heavy psychological cost, crisis and depression contribute to weakening the body's natural immunity, and when the mind is broken – the body is also broken.
The wisdom is to continue life, but with caution: to wear masks, maintain distance between people and clean hands, and limit gatherings, etc. In every sector, there are those who tend to disregard the instructions of the Ministry of Health, because they think that it is impossible to function that way. On the other hand, there are many good people who call for appropriate caution.
As many in every sector show that it is possible to study and pray, work and hold joyful events in small groups, while taking the necessary precautions – personal example is ‘contagious’, when the environment sees a person who continues to function while adhering to the precautions – those around them understand that this is possible, and they too are careful.
, so it is with observing the mitzvot, someone who thinks that it is impossible to live a normal life while adhering to every detail – may relieve himself of the burden of the mitzvot by thinking that ’it is impossible to live like this’. But when you see people living and functioning normally without disregarding any halachic grammar – you understand that life and caution do not contradict each other.
With blessings, Sh”z
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