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Lament over the Second Hostage Deal (Column 688)

With God’s help.

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

These days the second hostage deal is being finalized. I have already written extensively about hostages, costs, and deals, from every angle. Here I will mainly repeat a few key aspects—mainly because I cannot restrain myself and keep quiet. Precisely because of the excitement over the hostage deal that is about to descend on us for the worse, I am losing my mind over the insane, idiotic carnival unfolding around us.

Even now, in response to questions I was asked, I wrote that I oppose any deal with Hamas, period (and no, this does not contradict my proposal at the start of the war; see here), and of course I also oppose the deal now being signed. I explained already at the start of the war (see column 611, for example) that the government is lying to the public, since the war aims contain an internal contradiction: eliminating Hamas and returning the hostages are conflicting goals. You cannot achieve both, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. Until now the government operated as if toppling Hamas and achieving security were the primary goal. Later they added the return of the hostages, and over time that suddenly became the main goal. In these days the process has ended, as Israel has explicitly and openly given up on eliminating Hamas (unless Hamas once again saves us from ourselves by violating the agreement and enabling us to continue eliminating it). At the moment it seems we will not in fact achieve the return of the hostages either (the hostages are Hamas’s only security card, and I see no reason to think they will give it up), so we have both eaten the stinking fish and been expelled from the city. Once again we, together with the most glorious army in the universe, have suffered a resounding defeat at the hands of a gang armed with bayonets and rifles.

In short, we are now in a situation in which the war has failed miserably and has joined a long list of operations in Gaza that achieved nothing. It turns out that in two years we will likely be facing the same Hamas as on October 6, and the thousands of our dead in Swords of Iron will all have been for nothing. I have also written that the pompous declarations that women’s combat service was “proven” in this war and that the debate is over were nonsense. This deal proves that this is demagogic falsehood. The female soldiers are first in line to be returned (this coming Sunday), even before the elderly and before male soldiers, of course. In other words, the false claim about equality, as if there is no difference between men and women and everything should be judged by abilities, has been exposed as a crude lie—which was clear from the outset. I have written this several times (see, for example, here).

I have written quite a bit about the “hostage psychosis” (see, for example, columns 664 and 666), which puts the hostages at the center and ignores every other rational consideration. A few days ago I was happy to begin hearing some voices opposing the deal, but my impression is that in recent days they have been completely silenced. I have no doubt that in a month you will begin hearing everyone proclaim that they actually opposed the deal from the start—just as happened with the Shalit deal. A Greek chorus that forced the government to pay an intolerable price, and then suddenly after October 7 zillions of staunch opponents rose from the grave, though I didn’t hear a single one of them beforehand. Those who pushed the government, in utter madness and in a symbiotic dance together with Hamas, into the current reckless deal will very soon—once the results of this appalling deal become clear—take to the public square and explain that it was the government’s fault and that they in fact opposed the deal from the outset.

In today’s discourse, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, and their people are cast as the ultimate villains—heartless and immoral—who weigh political considerations instead of morality and mutual responsibility. A large portion of the Israeli public, led by the media, academia, and the army, has been in a wild psychosis for about a year and a half, and, paradoxically, the only sane people here are being portrayed as monsters. It really calls to mind R. Nachman’s story of The Mad Grain. I must say (and I really don’t enjoy saying this) that if elections were held today I would vote for Ben Gvir, and I say this quite seriously (only because of his stance on the deal and the war—nothing else).

In recent days I keep hearing, again and again, in conversations with opponents of the deal (=the monstrous lunatics, the inhuman and immoral ones), especially in the media, that they are asked whether they will nonetheless feel joy when the hostages return. This question drives me insane every single time, for several reasons. It is true that most journalists are not the sharpest pencils in the box, but that’s legitimate. Even brainwashed and foolish people need to make a living. But such a stupid question cannot be explained by stupidity alone. In my assessment, it is a combination of stupidity and malice.

If anyone needs an explanation (nothing surprises me anymore): can one even imagine that someone would not be happy to see the hostages? Is there anyone who truly does not want them back? But if you ask the Kaplan crowd and the hostage families alongside them, you will hear, emphatically and with absolute confidence, that indeed there are such people. They say again and again that Bibi and his people absolutely do not want the hostages and are merely sabotaging the deal (of course not Hamas—only they). They are heartless and immoral. Monsters, did I say already? They want the war to continue at any cost. I have explained more than once that this incitement is baseless and lacks any rational or factual foundation—but those are no longer relevant parameters for our psychotic cousins. They cling to their propaganda and incitement (and of course always accuse the other side of incitement—the “poison machine,” did we mention?), and no fact or rational argument will change that. Psychosis does not inhabit the realm of facts and reason at all.

This foolish question is asked again and again even though its answer is entirely clear. So why ask it anyway? You surely understand that this isn’t mere stupidity—though there is some of that too. It’s perfectly clear to me that the aim is to present the speaker as a monster indifferent to the fate of the hostages. The “scumbag” will of course deny it and answer that of course he is happy and wants to see them back, but there are various considerations that lead him to oppose the deal. But we all know that monsters always deny being monsters. Who believes them?! And rational considerations—who is interested in those at all?! Thus the question achieves its purpose. The psychosis has won.

Above all, this question and others like it reflect the most serious phenomenon here: more than malice and more than stupidity, it reflects the emotional psychosis washing over us from every direction. No one is interested in substantive considerations, one way or the other. What matters is what you feel. The decision about the deal and the approach to the hostage issue are devoid of any shred of reason and/or morality—saturated with unbridled emotion lacking any rational control. People form positions and promote policy that are pure emotion. When psychoses roar, reason falls silent. Hence the most important question becomes what someone feels when seeing the hostages return. Try saying that you will indeed rejoice, but nonetheless you oppose this deal. That no longer matters. Decisions are made according to the heartbeat and the emotional winds. Considerations and reason have long ceased to be relevant in our discourse.

We are told that Israeli society will not be able to recover if we do not bring back the hostages. Never mind that this is tendentious nonsense. Never mind that this very claim should be directed at the emotional inciters and not at those insisting on hewing to reason. As if we can live with the consequences of the deal. What the left cannot live with—there is no way to live with it. But as for the right, no one is really interested in what it can live with. From time to time claims arise that this deal will likely leave quite a few hostages to die in Gaza (claims voiced mainly by relatives of those not being released now), but you might as well talk to a wall. Emotional presentism rules the day. We are told that only Bibi is preventing the deal, though there is not a shred of logic in that of any kind. But what do we have to do with logic?! We are told that political considerations are replacing moral and human ones (meaning, of course, the animalistic emotions of all the fools shouting here at full volume in a Greek chorus of brainwashed zombies), whereas nothing could be more logical than subordinating blind emotion to political and security judgment. Try explaining to them that government policy is not “political considerations” in the pejorative sense but the very policy for which the government was elected. You might even argue that its attempt to advance its policy and values counts in its favor. Somehow, when there are coalition partners who think the deal is bad, going with them is labeled “political.” But moving forward with a disastrously bad deal—an enormous defeat and a renunciation of all the war’s aims—just because of pressure from a terror organization, from people in distress, and from a foolish opposition is considered a moral and rational move. Not political at all. Going with your coalition partners is disgraceful; surrendering and abandoning your positions because of pressure from a feckless opposition combined with terror organizations is a noble step.

I have often written that a leftist and/or secular outlook tends to view morality as an emotional matter. In their view, morality is in the heart. In contrast, the right and religious conceptions view morality as values, not feelings. Values are part of our reason and intellect, and the way to engage them is through thought, not emotional psychosis. Not everything your heart tells you is the moral imperative. On the contrary, many times it misleads you and leads you down paths that are manifestly immoral. You can now see that this is not some theoretical academic analysis, as I have been accused more than once. You can now easily see that this is the root of all the debates and that this dispute has enormous ramifications in every area of our lives.

To determine the fate of a state, and of entire regions within it, because of a few dozen unfortunate people (some of them corpses), is emotional folly. The images and depictions of hostages languishing in tunnels and the tears of their family members naturally arouse strong feelings. But this is not how decisions are made—certainly not by statesmen. From a national perspective one does not mortgage a society’s fate because of a few hostages and captives. One does not surrender to a murderous terror organization and give it new life because it holds our captives. From a rational perspective one does not release even a single terrorist in exchange for a hundred bodies—nor for living captives. With terrorists one speaks only through rifle sights. Otherwise their conclusion, which only strengthens over the years, is that with us what works is only terror and brutal violence. A policy based on reason is prepared to ignore psychological distress and emotional storms if the situation requires it.

All these rational considerations are directly confronted by the emotions that sweep us from every side. Who can stand opposite a weeping mother of a hostage who, with tears in her (genuine and entirely understandable) eyes, incites against anyone who moves? Who can allow her to say what is on her heart yet act rationally and not in submission to this psychotic brainwashing? Bibi has shown admirable stamina until now (no one else could have conducted a war for a year and a quarter despite all these insane pressures at home and abroad), but now it seems he too has broken (I suppose thanks to Trump as well).

The media today is occupied almost exclusively with preparations for the great moment. They interview physicians, psychologists, and social workers about the meticulous preparations for the hostages’ return. The excitement is at its peak, and everyone is dealing with emotions and more emotions and more emotions. Entire days are wasted on these emotional, worthless carnivals—mainly to deflect public attention from rational considerations. Our society is in total collapse. Everyone has gone mad. Reason has been run over by emotion in a hit-and-run.

It is important for me to clarify that there can be other positions regarding the deal (even though I cannot see the logic in them). But positions must be grounded in arguments. I am not criticizing here the positions of those who support the deal, but the way the discussion is being conducted. My claim is not against the positions but against the absence of arguments, and especially against the unwillingness to engage with arguments.

I have quoted here in the past Dov Sadan’s witticism that the next person to make a revolution in the world will be a Jewish orthopedist. Jewish—because revolutionaries are usually Jews. But why an orthopedist? Sadan explained that the first Jew who made a revolution in the world was Abraham (and perhaps also Moses), who called on us to use our heads (“Lift up your eyes on high and see who created these”). The next Jew who made a revolution in the world was that man (Jesus), who called on us to place the heart at the center. Next came Marx, who said everything is in the belly. After him came Freud, who explained that everything is below the belt. That is, we started with the head, then descended to the heart, then to the belly, and finally even lower. The next step will apparently be toward the feet—that is, to an orthopedist. This is a literary expression of the despair of reason and the dominance of emotions that so typifies our crazy world.

Halakhic and Torah thinking teaches and habituates us to separate the brain from the heart. We learn to weigh cool, rational considerations even where the heart cries out against them. After all, it is possible and appropriate to take the heart into account as well—but decisions are made with the head, not the heart. Sometimes this approach reaches absurdities and an excessive coldness that ignores conscience, probably because it is mistakenly identified with emotion. But conscience is not a feeling; it is part of the intellect (it is the instrument that provides us with our moral axioms—our values). In column 655 I dealt with Haredi intellectualism, which is completely detached from straight thinking and conscience, and produces logical arguments endowed with a kind of formal consistency devoid of any sense. Like a learned disputation that can be entirely disconnected from common sense yet built to perfection with splendid logical complexity. This is nothing but a problematic extreme of a mode of conduct that is, in itself, proper and correct: to place the intellect, not the heart, at the center. Long ago, in my book Shtei Agalot, I wrote that this is what our tradition teaches us: to act from the head. The despair of reason that, in the past hundred years, has led to the postmodern spirit of folly is practically built into secular and leftist thinking (Nietzsche predicted this), even in sectors of our society that do not define themselves as postmodern. Today it is clearer than ever how bizarre and harmful this is—and how important it is to adopt the sane religious and halakhic alternative, not because of its content but because of its method.

People think religiosity is usually emotional. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is precisely secularism that is emotional in most cases. Religiosity (at least Jewish religiosity, but not only it) is characterized by cool, balanced, rational thinking. Check the positions regarding the Shalit deal and the current deal, and you will see the correlations clearly and distinctly: rabbis and the religious public (not the Haredim—the only thing that really interests them is their budgets) are those who oppose, and the secular and the left support. It is not for nothing that they are accused of lacking a heart. The more accurate claim is that they do not operate according to the heart but with the intellect—and good for that. It seems that the last barrier that can save us from the secular-left emotionality that is leading us to ruin is the cool religious and halakhic rationality. I will clarify again that I am not speaking here about the content of halakha and Torah but about their manner of conduct and way of thinking.

Sadly, in recent years this emotionality has also been taking root on the religious and right-wing side (existentialism and feeling in place of commitment and rational thinking). This is a disgraceful and shameful surrender to the spirit of the times, but I still think the distinction between the sides is very clear. It is hard to shake the impression that the “debates” taking place (in fact, not taking place) today are not between opposing positions but a clash between intellect and emotion. It is not a debate between the wise and the foolish, but between those who operate by the intellect and those who operate by emotion. It is very hard to defeat emotion, because it is stormy and powerful—even though it is shallow and misleading and usually downright stupid. Therefore, cool, balanced, measured intellect is not really a match and cannot truly overcome it. It is not for nothing that Dov Sadan describes the descent from the head to the heart and to the belly and down to the reproductive organs. This is not only a descent in terms of location but also in essence. It is hard to operate by the intellect. It is cold and not very exciting. Emotion is animalistic—alive, pulsing, and kicking. It is animalistic both in its force and vitality and in the quality of conduct it dictates.

In my view this is the foundation of the psychosis reaching its peak these days. Despair fills me, and sadly I do not see what can be done here, except to cry out again and again the cry of reason against the plague of the mad grain and its storms. Oh—and not to forget to write on my hand in advance: “I am sane.”


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  1. Thank you Rabbi,
    Clearly true words.
    Said the one who said that life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy to those who feel. Unfortunately, these days it seems that the opposite is true.
    May God save us from these madmen.

    1. First of all, the column is a good way to express my mental feelings at this time.
      But, is there any room for doubt that the war may indeed return in a short time and perhaps even with greater intensity, as coalition members declare?
      No mention of past sins, but even during the first ceasefire you thought the war would end and were glad to be wrong.

      It should be noted that even if the fighting returns, the deal is bad. That is not my point.
      In my opinion, the first deal, which for some reason is now a consensus, was also bad.

      1. The first one was actually less bad in my opinion. Furthermore, as far as I remember, I doubted at the time whether the fighting would return and wrote that even if it did, the intensity would be very different. That is exactly what happened. Since then and to this day, there has been no real war in Gaza. There have been very worthless raids that failed to reach a decision.

        1. To your question, there is little room for doubt about the return of war, but quite small (as I wrote: only if Hamas saves us from ourselves). The agreement, as those who have read it say, is an agreement to end the war and renounce its goals.

  2. Quote from Sinwar's speech in 2011 is probably better than us at chess with a few steps forward
    It's interesting that no one talks about the feelings of the bereaved families who will soon see a murderer of their family member celebrating his death with a big V and a smile on his face and the feeling of the bereaved family that the legal and political systems have failed them in a big way.
    To think that Sinwar was involved in the kidnapping of Nachshon Waxman

    Sinwar, a senior Hamas figure released in the Shalit deal, is now considered the link between the military wing in the Gaza Strip and the political wing and is considered a very extremist figure in Hamas. Upon his release to Gaza in 2011, Sinwar said: “This is a great victory for our people and our resistance. We feel that we have left our hearts behind, we have left many prisoners behind”.

    In his speech that day, Sinwar called on the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades to continue working seriously to kidnap more Israeli soldiers, in order to free the remaining Palestinian prisoners. He added that he was completely convinced that “the release of prisoners will only be possible through the kidnapping of Jews and their exchange”. According to Sinwar, “the release of the prisoners is much closer than anyone imagines”. He emphasized at the time that the prisoner exchange deal was a turning point in the history of the conflict with Israel.

    Sinwar was sentenced to 4 life sentences for the murder of Palestinian collaborators and for his involvement in the kidnapping and murder of soldier Nachshon Waxman in 1994. He was released from Israeli prison in the Shalit deal 5 years ago

    1. And pay attention to this headline (apologies for the traffic to Ynet)
      https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sjydis4djl

  3. And what about the long-term impact that people who live in a country that doesn't abandon its children are more socially cohesive and contribute more to the military and in general.

    1. I wrote that this claim should be directed at those who create this situation. The future trauma will be the result of the psychosis. What's more, there is no one here (except for the supporters of the deal) who "abandoned" anyone. If anything, I don't see how we can afford to live with dozens of hostages who were abandoned in this deal.

      1. By the way, I think the public that contributes the most to the army is the public that is the main opposition to the deal. So whoever makes such an argument should look in the mirror.

        1. But what's new?
          Even during the legal reform period, there is one camp that actually sets the rules of the game (without going into the question of whether the reform is good or not, and was done well or not) and says that if you don't play by my rules, we will leave the country, we will shut down the army/hospitals, etc. And even though it's crazy and in all the "pure" ways (democracy, rule by those who are elected, etc.) it's not right, you have to take that into account, not only for the sake of unity but practically, because without them you don't have a people/army. And you yourself were the head and foremost of the resistance. Even now, even though there is no minimal logic, with all the pain, in that one or a hundred or even a thousand hostages could influence the fate of an entire people, policy is determined by those people, many of whom have no minimal responsibility (unlike you, I think with a heavy heart that in the current situation there is no choice but to agree to the deal, because indeed the fighting is not real and we are not willing, for all sorts of considerations, to do things to Hamas that will truly end the war and Hamas. But I don't understand what the surprise is and what the difference is between opposing reform or anything that the right is doing and unfortunately is right in most of what it has been doing for decades, in this case).

  4. I don't understand what the big surprise is.
    This has been the left's tactic for decades to prevent a debate by portraying the other side as a delusional and crazy evil.
    Anyone who opposed disengagement and Oslo was portrayed as crazy and an enemy of peace. Anyone who supported reform was portrayed as a Nazi who wanted a dictatorship. (Dina Zilber said that having a reform debate yes or no is like having a debate on anti-Semitism yes or no.) What expresses this more than anything is a picture posted by two of Israel's top political reporters, Yaron Avraham and Dana Weiss, hugging excitedly when it was announced that the deal had been closed. Of course they hugged, but why put it online and make it public? They are completely emotionally involved in the matter, not for nothing that these two journalists sat last night in the studio of the channel that is watched in Israel and accused Smotrich and the Nazis of not having a deal
    I promise you faithfully that even after the next massacre or kidnapping, the movie will repeat itself exactly as it is chilling

    1. This is an invention of the communists. It is called “Trotskyism”. That is, the transformation of Trotsky, who was part of the communist party, into a demon and a traitor because of differences of opinion about pushing for the spread of communism to the rest of the world. The word Trotskyist became synonymous with traitor

  5. I really don't agree with the position here, and certainly not with its determination.
    But since the opponents of the deal are dealing with the arithmetic of deaths, as if that were the only consideration, it's worth saying a few things about it.

    1. The alternative to the agreement is the continuation of the conflict in Gaza. Therefore, I am in favor of ending the fighting and leaving Gaza even if there were no abductees. In the last two weeks alone, 15 soldiers were killed in Gaza. Continuing the futile fighting (i.e., the Tash) in Gaza, and turning our soldiers into stationary targets and ducks at the range – will claim more deaths than renewed fighting when it comes. The “marginal value” of the war today is very low. It is a pursuit of guerrillas.
    2. The opponents of the deal say that we have given motivation for additional abductions. I really disagree. After the huge prices that Hamas and Gaza have paid + complete destruction that has not been seen in the modern world since Hiroshima, I don't see any rational factor that would see kidnappings as a profitable deal.
    And if you say, Hamas is not rational, and therefore they will continue to kidnap. My answer is – not at all, and therefore the question of motivation is completely irrelevant. They will try to kidnap, even if a deal is made and even if not.
    3. Hamas's situation today is much worse than Hezbollah's. Both in terms of weapons and soldiers. In addition, it is much more difficult for it to smuggle weapons than Hezbollah. And look at this wonder – about the truly shameful agreement to return Hezbollah to the border – almost no one on the right demonstrated or shouted. As for the current agreement – there is a sense of destruction there
    This is a crazy psychosis that I cannot understand. But apparently the reason is post-trauma. October 7 happened in Gaza and not in Lebanon, and therefore the fear of Hamas is much greater than Hezbollah, even though it should be the other way around.
    4. It is up to us to defend ourselves – Defending ourselves from the damage of Hamas is up to us. Even when it will surely become stronger, we, who are students of the concept of containment, will know better how to defend ourselves against it and certainly not to transfer money to it and ignore the smuggling.
    And the Holocaust against Hezbollah is eye-opening. Hezbollah was much stronger than Hamas even before October 7, but there in the north they prepared it like a hamstring at relatively low prices. Why? Because they prepared for it for many years and developed capabilities, in contrast to the neglect of the Gazan arena.
    And so from now on, a renewed eye should be placed on Hamas.
    5. From a halakhic, moral and practical point of view – We do not do arithmetic of deaths, when there is certainly a life-saving measure before me, and on the other side there is doubt about the life-saving measure of others (and in this case – it is still doubtful that more people will be killed because of the deal than without it)
    For example, in the Nachshon Waxman rescue operation, we risked an entire platoon of soldiers for one person.
    According to the arithmetic approach – this is irrational.
    Or for example in the defense of an isolated settlement, which is in a dangerous place. Many soldiers and settlers are risking, for a much less dangerous alternative.
    And if we look from a bird's eye view, from a practical point of view the entire Zionist project was very dangerous and not “profitable”in terms of deaths. If we were in America, we would have saved a lot of death in wars and terrorist attacks.
    But of course the consideration that guides reasonable people is not a simple arithmetic of dangers, but also values that we want to achieve. And in this case, the value is the rescue of a large number of hostages buried alive and interested in the land. This is a value for which one risks one's life. And there are other values like this.

    1. You didn't see a word in my words about the arithmetic of deaths. That's not the consideration at all. I've already answered all your arguments in the past and I see no point in going into it again, since the column is not at all intended to discuss the deal and the considerations. The discussion is in the form of discourse about it (the emotional psychosis).

      1. I get the impression that you generalize the emotional discourse in the media (where ratings are the measure and therefore appeal to the masses through emotion) and project its consideration onto the politicians in favor of the deal, as if this was precisely their consideration (but refuse to attribute to its opponents in the coalition what is attributed to them in the media).

        Even if the politicians are not without consideration for populist considerations and the direction of the public mood, still – its projection onto them as their sole consideration is precisely what you opposed by doing the same to the opponents of the deal.

        I personally get the impression that (as in your famous castor bean proverb) some of the deal's supporters are indeed making a more strategic consideration of the long-term implications for social cohesion surrounding an existential threat, and the unwritten contract in which the soldier (and it doesn't matter if he's a regular or a civilian who is likely to be a soldier in the military) willingly and voluntarily risks his life knowing that significant efforts will be made to bring him back and not be abandoned in the name of cold tactical considerations.
        Coupled with the fact that the trauma is burned into the mind for a few good years to come to terms with again like it was before October 7, and that the policy of restraint has already become a dirty word - this is a very reasonable consideration in my opinion and I'm not convinced that I'm not on their side.
        True, Hamas brought us to our knees, but I'm not sure that the price of internal disintegration that in the long term will create a life-threatening infection for the entire body is better than that.

        It is clear to everyone that the risk of another October 7 will not happen again in the foreseeable future from Gaza. The army, intelligence, risk management in terms of available order, the degree of reliance on timely warning, and response to violations, and the buildup and erosion of deterrence – will receive completely different responses in the coming years.

        In retrospect, this sounds better to me than shuffling.

        And if we want a permanent military presence there and prolonged mowing – then we should increase the army accordingly.

        1. Regarding emotionality, you are very wrong. First, it is clear that the emotion here is directed at only one Greek. The strongest emotions that drive the process are the suffering of the families and the kidnapped themselves. Therefore, those who are prone to acting emotionally are those who support the deal, not those who oppose it. Opposition is usually perceived, and rightly so, as a coincidence (usually this is the blame). Of course, there may also be arguments in favor of the deal, and I wrote that too (although I do not agree with them). What the discourse is and what drives it is clearly and unequivocally emotion. The media reflects the public discourse. That is where it is conducted. Therefore, it really does not matter whether they want ratings or not. In fact, this is the nature of the discourse. Note that for some reason, the pursuit of ratings leads towards support for the deal (as you yourself write). You are being emotional.
          I have already explained that we will not be able to live with the results of this deal for future generations, but for some reason this does not come up in the discourse. Only the consequences of not making a deal will lead to a crisis. Again, double emotionality: both this emotional sensitivity itself, and also taking it into account as a decisive consideration, which is also emotional. So your message not only does not refute my words, but proves them.
          As for the arguments, I have already addressed them, and that is not important. The purpose of the column is not to oppose the deal, but to point out the emotionality and one-sidedness of the discourse.

          1. Regarding “Chasing ratings leads to support for the deal (so you yourself write). You have emotionalism in the pasture” – I don't think there is a contradiction between the fact that the emotions of many support the deal, and the claim that there is a risk to cohesion and mutual guarantee expressed in agreement and knowledge that the kidnapped and captive will be ransomed and rescued even at the cost of future risk (in a way that undoubtedly takes away from the hands of the sure). I think that the emotions of many express precisely a violation of this agreement (as something whose preservation is strategically correct) in the name of political survival.

            So it is not clear to me why this proves your claim.

            Regarding future generations, here a lot depends on how we behave (including in the continuation of the process) and not just how many and who will be released. The majority want to believe that we have too much to do for the outcome to depend on the release of some Sinwar2 and/or a few other Hatayites who once succeeded in an attack, as part of some deal.

            1. I didn't write that there is a contradiction. I wrote that the discourse is emotional. There may be a coincidental match between the emotions and the correct conclusion, and yet it is not recommended to make decisions based on emotions.
              The consideration of what insistence will do to cohesion is certainly a consideration, and I have already addressed it. But of course, the damage to cohesion itself indicates the emotionality of the public.

      2. You don't deserve to fall for this spin, Miki.

        This is not a hostage deal, this is a deal to end the war that is being forced down the Israeli throat by the US. It has nothing to do with Israeli support or opposition and the price of hostages compared to other things. If Israel had refused the deal, they would still have been forced to stop the fighting, simply without accepting hostages, so at least they would accept some hostages along the way (and not all of them)

        I said as soon as Netanyahu spoke about his complete victory that there was a much higher chance that we would get a “complete failure”, meaning that none of the goals of the war would be achieved, and unfortunately I was not wrong. This is what happens when you enter a war with non-military goals and an arsenal of military tools only. Like entering a carpentry shop with a hoe and a tractor

        1. I'm not at all sure you're right (neither of us know what's going on there), but even if you are, it doesn't really matter. I'm talking about the public discourse, not Netanyahu's steps. The public discourse is emotional and supports the deal for all the wrong reasons. The discourse silences any voice that opposes it and any consideration against it. Therefore, even if Netanyahu surrendered to Trump and had no choice, it's irrelevant to my discussion.

    2. Although you are careful to talk about the carnival and not about the deal itself. Your words, especially at the beginning, indicate that, according to you, this is a cry for generations.
      I do not understand the source of your pretension to decide so clearly on a question about which you do not have all the data.
      Various publications indicate that there are significant pressures from the new American administration, do you know what those pressures are? They can be carrots and they can be very significant sticks (Iran, Saudi Arabia, embargo, protecting the nation). It has already been said more than once during the war that American support is a significant strategic consideration of our enemy. I do not know how one can evaluate the deal without clear knowledge of this consideration.

      There is much more data that makes it difficult for a layman like me and you (and probably many others who claim to know in the media) to formulate an informed position. For example, as an ignorant person in matters of the army and force building, I have no idea what capabilities Hamas has been deprived of, which it has been building for years. I also appreciate that the deal has secret annexes or agreements signed between Israel and third parties.

      In short, you need to exercise common sense as you wrote, but you also need to know all the data. You don't have that, but you are in a hurry to come out against it resolutely. Terrible.

      In situations like this, ordinary citizens should rely on the decision-makers they appointed in democratic elections. That's what they were elected for.
      The assumption in a civilized country should be that the elected officials act based on all the considerations you mentioned and make an informed decision.
      I personally don't trust this leadership at all. Not its head, not the Minister of Finance who made and is making fateful decisions on budget matters based on political considerations (economic considerations, unlike security considerations, are not subject to censorship). And certainly not Ben Gvir, who is the antithesis of everything you write in your article.

      That's why I oppose the deal. Because I simply don't trust the judgment these dangerous guys exercise.

      1. You are under the wrong impression. My problem is not with the deal but with the discourse about it. I certainly have no information and therefore I am not setting any standards. I am talking about what an ordinary person should think with the information that is open to all of us (no one has inside information). I certainly do not trust the decision makers.

        1. For me, this whole reality of being able to force Israel to take steps of this kind leads to the conclusion that a Jewish state cannot exist. I do not belong to Neturi Karta and this conclusion does not stem from any of their perceptions.
          A reality where a state can force us – and it forces us to do so with such determination only because we are a Jewish state and for no other reason – to provide supplies and fuel for a Nazi regime – and in some aspects it is even worse than that – when our hostages are still being held by them, and we have no way of resisting, which would be unthinkable in any other conflict, inevitably leads to this grim conclusion.

          1. I think exactly the same. There is no room for the state to exist in this situation.

  6. I would like to argue that there is also a logical dimension to going for the deal. One of the goals of the State of Israel is to ensure the security of its citizens, and it saw this as an obligation to do everything for every Israeli everywhere. You could know for a fact that anywhere in the world the State of Israel would take care to rescue and save you, whether in an earthquake or if you landed at an airport in an enemy country due to a plane malfunction. After 10/7, the personal security of every Israeli citizen in the world dropped dramatically because the trust that every Jew has the State of Israel's back was broken. The deal nevertheless proves that in the end the State of Israel is willing to take risks as a collective to save the individual.

    1. This has nothing to do with a state's obligation to ensure the security of its citizens! By the same logic, you can argue that a state is also obligated to ensure the health of its residents, and in a reality where a person needs a liver transplant, we will take it from another citizen of the state who was chosen at random.
      This is exactly what happens with the release of murderers and the renunciation of the destruction of Hamas. And if you say that taking a liver from another person will certainly cause his death, which is not the case here, then this is a completely clear result. Just as it would be unthinkable to argue that if you give a person a gun to shoot into a crowd of people, there is a chance that no one will be hurt.

  7. I can agree or disagree with the gist of what you said, but I don't understand the "proof" of your words on the issue of women's service. What is the conclusion from this that the female observers will return before other soldiers. That their "price" is higher or lower? That women and men are different is clear to everyone, the question is whether they are allowed equal opportunities.
    Why do you even bring proof from the agreement that was formed, which you oppose? In the same way, I can "prove" that it is not worth fighting Hamas, because the fact is that now, after so many of our soldiers have been killed, we are giving them what they wanted from the beginning!

    1. All well and good
      But why Ben Gvir following his decisions in the war?
      Smoch is much more sane, and doesn't behave like an average high school student

      1. Ben Gvir really opposed the deal, Smoch opposed it but knew there would be a majority in favor and didn't break the bank and resign, so his opposition is symbolic and nothing more.

  8. As usual, the words are well-worded.
    During these times, the curse of Scripture resonates with me without ceasing: “He will strike with madness and with confusion and with astonishment of heart.”
    And the great frustration, until when will “the wise in that time be judged for their hand, for it is an evil time” befall us.

  9. Although the rabbi does not like transcendental interpretations, I see in all the processes that have been happening to the Jewish state since 1973, the finger of God. In the sense of imposing punishments in accordance with what is written in the parshas ‘Kah Tebo’.

    Although the great Israeli scientists know how to deal with drought and disease, the ’ is able to dumb down the tiny minds of our generals and politicians, to plant destructive pacifist feelings in them with the aim of making us once again exiles in distant lands and ’a proverb and a proverb’ throughout the world.

    I wonder if the State of Israel will reach the age of one hundred.

  10. Wow. The diagnosis regarding emotional morality, and in general the excess of emotion that sometimes exists in groups on the left is so accurate. Constant sentimentality that never comes to its satisfaction. Hugs, kisses, and elaborate rants about every nonsense. The line between it and selfishness, indifference, disgust, and hatred of other groups is so thin sometimes.
    Even the distinction between the priority of responsibility towards a person or an animal can be blurred, sometimes, under the influence of Western exemplary culture.
    The culture of Central Park, New York.
    Not everyone, of course.

  11. Rabbi Caro said. “Every moment that is delayed in redeeming prisoners, when it is possible to advance, is like shedding blood” That is why the deal. Although it is bad, it comes 450 days late. We will continue to fight Hamas for many more years. They are now recruiting more children and youth than those who died for them. And our fallen fell simply because our prime minister is not interested in the soldiers. He is interested in staying in power. He could have made the same deal in May.

    1. Rabbi Yosef Karo did not run a sovereign state. There is no ransom for captives in the Bible, but there are many cases of the release of captives through unlimited power, starting with Lot who was freed by our forefather Abraham. The “mitzvah” of ransoming captives is appropriate for a community in exile that fears its own shadow, not for a sovereign state.

    2. R’ Yosef Karo also wrote “No one should redeem captives beyond their blood, for the sake of the world's correction, lest the enemies surrender themselves to them to capture them”.
      Every wise man understands that the laws of redemption of captives do not belong here. Stop pushing this and confusing our minds

  12. I don't understand why the rabbi is so worried

    I'm not the rabbi's neighbor and I don't know the rabbi
    But the rabbi writes that he wants to vote for Ben Gvir
    And I have some neighbors who also vote for Ben Gvir
    And they are my neighbors and I know them well
    The rabbi must be like them because 2 of them vote for Ben Gvir

    These neighbors sing a lot that it will be even better and even better and with eternity, there is no fear of a long road
    So the rabbi will also sing that it will be even better and with eternity, there is no fear and everything is good

  13. There is a lawyer who explains how this psychosis came about, Ilan Zion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VACIzh36uI There is something very smart at the head of the right that causes everyone who belongs to the right-wing camp to adopt the positions of the left, and thus the left also becomes more delusional. Everyone is very smart, but subconsciously we are unable to say that Benjamin Netanyahu is to blame, and that is why everyone here is squirming. There is probably something we don't know, some American pressure from Trump, something we don't know.

  14. You are right in every word. It is simply unbearable. And yes, it has certainly already reached certain circles in religious Zionism.
    If, God forbid, you dare to raise any argument against the deal, you are immediately met with a profound statement such as “But you simply cannot leave them there”. Usually this will be accompanied by a deep sigh from the bottom of your heart.
    You did not mention (in this column at least, I did not read all of them) the greatest crime of this conduct – it is the main reason and factor for the insane price of the deal. Hamas has ears and they know what is happening here, and when they hear people screaming in the squares that they must be returned at any cost, it certainly raises the price. It is simply lawlessness and irresponsibility. And at the head of this crime are the families of the kidnapped.

  15. Yedidia Meir published a column today very similar to this post:
    https://www.hidabroot.org/article/1205389
    Interesting how this topic seems to be so prominent to religious people

  16. “Halakhic and Torah thinking teaches and accustoms us to separate the mind from the heart” This is very reminiscent of the words of Maimonides regarding the study of Halacha before Kabbalah (which can also apparently fall into emotion and imagination): “And bread and flesh are for the knowledge of what is forbidden and what is permitted, and so on from the rest of the commandments. And although these words are a small thing, the Sages called them because the Sages said a great thing, the act of a chariot, and a small thing, the existences of Dabei and Rabbah. Nevertheless, they deserve to be preceded. *For they settle a person's mind first*” (Yeshua”t)

  17. There is no doubt that we lost the war, and this was already clear on October 8 when we saw how and who was running it.

  18. I understand your rational point of view (which also hides the hope of repopulating Gaza…)
    But there is also the emotional aspect,
    Right now you are definitely saving living Jews.
    We need to get the most out of both sides, save as much as possible and make sure they don't succeed in killing us later 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Not easy

  19. So do you think Smotrich should have resigned from the government as well following the deal?

    By the way, here is a nice response from him: https://www.inn.co.il/news/659234

    1. The question of resignation depends on many factors. If they asked me, I would recommend dismissing him (and Bengbir) from the government. Regarding the deal, I side with the position of these two jokers.

  20. From a strategic perspective, the deal is really good for us. I'm probably stupid, because everyone sees something I can't see. Maybe I'm not empathetic enough.

  21. "Those who pushed the government into complete madness in symbiotic action with Hamas for the current reckless deal, they too will soon stand in the streets, when the results of this shocking deal become clear, and explain that it was the government's fault and that they actually opposed the deal from the beginning."

    How right you were. Here it begins.
    Just a day after the deal,
    20.1.25 17:48 Moran Sharir Haaretz
    https://www.haaretz.co.il/digital/daily/2025-01-20/ty-article/.premium/00000194-842c-d83f-a597-bfbd20530000?utm_source=App_Share&utm_medium=iOS_Native

  22. K’ wrote me a personal response:

    I hope you will allow me to contact you regarding your latest statement on the deal. I did not agree with you, and I think not from emotional arguments but from rational and ethical arguments.
    I try to form an opinion myself, and unlike you, I am often exposed to positions that strongly oppose it. The arguments I will present here are not the result of one kind or another of propaganda, but rather my own analysis, which is not particularly complex and only rarely does a journalist write something that I feel is in my opinion.
    I will start with the obvious: everyone would prefer that Hamas collapse and that all the kidnapped people return. The families of the kidnapped people were also patient at first to give this possibility a chance. Only a few initially stated that these were conflicting goals. I will not elaborate here on what might have been possible to do initially and was not done…
    The question is what to do now when it has been clear for a long time that these are conflicting goals. What do we do in the current reality? This is where the conflict comes in. (This is precisely where opponents of the deal fall into hypocrisy as if their action plan will achieve these two goals, instead of honestly saying that it cannot).
    However, I have the impression that there is a very good chance of trying to collapse Hamas. It must be said that the success is very low in relation to the time and effort invested. I hear many voices that if we just stop the aid and if we just establish settlements, Hamas will be defeated, and I think these are unfounded fantasies. The clear fact is that Hamas is very determined and not close to collapsing. And if it collapses, it will rise again and again and again.
    This may be a defeatist position that hurts national feelings (yes, yes), but in your speech you sought to restrain the feelings, and to be honest, we tried and failed. At least in this way.
    And here I want to discuss the hostages. And not just because I have lost hope of collapsing Hamas, and I am trying to gain points from the defeat (the terrible one, which began on October 7 and even before) but as a statement of values.
    We have a prior commitment to them. And a prior commitment is also given priority over values and goals that are more sublime than it. If I have a prior commitment to my children over the children of others, I will take care of them first and more, even though others may need me more. I will not abandon my commitment to work to make a bridegroom happy just because it is a more sublime value than answering the phone. These are priorities that are strategically incorrect, but they are committed for the sake of the broader perspective of building a future and not whims. And in the context of the return of kidnapped citizens, I see here a commitment that is not only chronologically prior but prior to a fundamental promise for every citizen in the country that he will be guaranteed personal security from the enemy. And here the promise was blatantly violated, and it must be corrected. For them and for all of us.
    To those who claim that releasing prisoners is much more dangerous for many other Israelis, I say:
    A. Can you assure me that if a deal is not made, there will be no more hostages? Until when is this promise valid? Is it known that Hamas only kidnaps in columns, and not in parallel? Can Hamas not exist without those thousands specifically?
    B. How can you claim that you care so much about imaginary hostages who have not yet been kidnapped when you choose not to release existing hostages?
    Incidentally, I, too, as a supporter of the deal despite all its glaring flaws, think that I have been falsely accused of falling into emotionalism. As far as a person can testify about himself in matters of emotions, I do not see any catharsis in it at all. Unlike the previous deal, it is clear to me that the returnees will be like broken pottery. The joy of their return does not provide the expected dopamine. This period is nerve-wracking, and (there are not enough curses) the celebrating Hamas is driving the mind crazy. We were defeated, that's true. First on 7.10 and again and again since then. We can be honored and be a little more defeated for our tormented brothers. Either way, we have a lot to fix.

    To summarize my words, there is a real conflict here that to this day our generation has experienced through the actions of Bnei Akiva at most (“If there was an air force in the Holocaust, would you have bombed Auschwitz?”).
    It is not right to accuse only one side of sentimentality, and I do not envy the decision-makers. But in my opinion, in the current state of affairs, we will need the hostages at home so that we can continue to be moral, believe in the righteousness of our ways, and be in solidarity. And also so that we can continue to fight Hamas.

    I apologize if I bored you and took up your time.

    But the last column made me stand up and defend my position.

    Shabbat Shalom!

    1. Hello K. Great to hear from you. Of course you are welcome to comment on the site for the benefit of all users. I hope to address this in more detail later, but I will say up front that I have no problem with other positions that support the deal based on arguments. There are clearly such arguments (although I do not agree with them). My problem, which the column was dedicated to, is with the emotional discourse surrounding the matter, and with the inability to raise arguments and be listened to. I wrote this explicitly in my column.
      This is the main point
      As mentioned, I will try to get to the substance of your words later.
      Goodbye and good news.

      Later I wrote:

      Hello K. Now I have come to this.

      First, let me comment on what you wrote at the beginning of your words that, unlike me, you are exposed to opposing positions. I do not know on what basis you assume that I am not exposed. I am certainly exposed to them.
      Both sides are lying vehemently, and I wrote about it in the column and in the answers on the site. Opponents of the deal (mainly in the government and outside it) talk about achieving both goals, and this is of course a lie, and it was clear from the start that this was a lie. But supporters of the deal lie exactly the opposite lie, that we will first make a deal and then we can always come back and destroy Hamas. A lie no less big. I revolt against the lies on both sides, as they are part of the same disregard for arguments and the control of emotions. If emotion rules, no one bothers to seriously examine the arguments.
      I don't know if Hamas can be destroyed, but I certainly oppose the a priori despair of it. By the way, at the beginning of the war I wrote that it couldn't be because it was clear to me that we were not ready for it (and not because it was impossible). The war surprised me in that it seemed that we were indeed ready to try it, and today I am actually more optimistic. The last year or so has strengthened in my eyes the possibility of eliminating them.
      Until now, we haven't achieved it because we haven't seriously tried to do so. For example, if territories are taken from them (yes, yes, settlers in Gaza, not for mystical and redemptive reasons but for tactical reasons), it makes them understand that they will pay a price. If we are willing to continue fighting for decades, and not in raids but in a war of attrition, just like them, and do not make sounds of a priori despair, this is definitely a plan that I would give a chance to. Therefore, the conclusions from this year or so do not really convince me, but I agree that it is an argument, and it is definitely worth considering.
      I do not examine positions according to the question of whether they are defeatist. The national mood interests me as much as last year's snow. I deal with arguments and positions. I do not accept your words not because they are defeatist but because I do not agree with the arguments.
      I completely agree that the importance of a value does not necessarily determine its position on the scale. How does this relate to our issue? My argument is that the commitment to the hostages should not overshadow our global interests. On the contrary, a position like mine is careful to ensure that the importance of the value does not determine that one should focus on it. I am willing to give up people's lives (the most important value) in order to achieve a normal life for the entire public. Sounds cruel, but that's how a state works and that's how it should work. We allow cars to travel on the roads despite the heavy price it imposes. We invest in culture and sports despite the fact that there is not enough money for hospitals.
      The fact that this is a blunder by the state is true. But I disagree that this fact should affect the judgment of all of us. The state committed a crime, and therefore I should suffer for others? Or should Reuven suffer for Shimon? Does this sound like a substantive argument to you? To me, it actually sounds like emotion (unlike other arguments in your words, which are indeed arguments).
      The claim that releasing prisoners is much more dangerous for many other Israelis in my opinion is not an argument. I have written about this at length, so I will not defend it.
      Finally, I will say again that you were not accused of being emotional. The one who is accused is our general and public discourse. I wrote to you that I have no problem in principle with arguments that support a position different from mine. On the contrary, it is very important to voice and consider them. My problem is with the ignoring of arguments and the hysterical and psychotic appeal to emotion by the media and our discourse in general. So don't take it personally, because it wasn't personal. It is true that usually (not always, of course) positions that lean towards the left and secularism are tainted with excessive emotionality, contrary to the prevailing image that religious and right-wingers are the ones who are emotionally charged. There are countless examples that show this, and many of them appear on my website.
      There is indeed a conflict here, and I am the last to deny it. But as a conflict, it should be handled through discussion and consideration of arguments. Not through emotional and shallow discourse and portraying those with other positions as monsters.
      Goodbye, Mikhi

      1. Again K,

        First of all, an apology, I later read my words and realized that I phrased them incorrectly. You wrote at the beginning of the column that the voices of those opposed to the deal are not heard enough because of the loudness of the supporters. I just wanted to point out that in my environment (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.) I am actually exposed to the positions and arguments of those opposed to the deal. I understand that it was not well worded. (But it was also not something of principle in the discussion).
        And regarding the end of your words, God forbid I took it personally! And I am very happy about the unapologetic and unflattering discourse of your words in all the columns! It is impossible to conduct a substantive discussion among people who need to be careful not to offend them - and (also) we agree on that.
        I agree with most of your answer and I understood my claims well, as well as the point of disagreement between us regarding the ability to collapse Hamas (and I will leave that aside, that is a different discussion).
        And I'm trying to think what I would think about the deal if I thought, like you, that Hamas could be defeated, for example by settling, which would undoubtedly also come at a cost in human lives.
        This exacerbates the dilemma, especially because we have to analyze how and at what cost this is happening and what is the reality without Hamas? The PM? The IDF? And when?
        But without going into detail, it seems to me that even then, when our security is higher, this is not a normal life anymore: knowing that we consciously chose to give it up.
        To me, this is a harsh reality.

        1. I wrote that I am not talking about ideological settlement but about exacting a painful price. Human lives and the destruction of homes probably don't really bother them. Losing a kilometer of territory for every action they take will hurt them more. Simply move the fence and perimeter one kilometer inland. There is no security problem in this that does not exist in the current location of the fence. We need to defend our border aggressively. Losing territory is the most painful thing for them, and they know that won't happen. So there is no lever of pressure that can bend them. Very simple. A little determination and that's it.

  23. Response from Rabbi Ido Pechter's Facebook
    They accuse the supporters of the deal of acting out of emotional rather than rational motives (Rabbi Michi now, following Rabbi Lundin and Yidiyya Meir and others). The opponents, in their view, are those who act out of moral motives, that is, out of clear thinking about the future and the common good.
    I have a lot to say about our mode of operation, although emotions are not motives for action, but I'll leave that for now, and return to the main argument that led me to support the deal:
    Of all the rational opponents, I have yet to see any rational plan (and no, slogans about occupying the Strip without saying how we will manage two million more people is not a plan), that would show us the way to solve the Gaza mud problem. They talk about the soldiers who will fall there in the future, and ignore the fact that soldiers continued to fall there every day.
    So what and who is rational here?

    1. There is an aspect here that can be argued about, but on second thought it is devoid of substance (there is no argument here). And one aspect that is a logical or reading comprehension error. I will start with the second.

      When I say that people are having an emotional discourse, it does not necessarily mean that their conclusion is wrong. It can be true (by chance). It certainly does not mean that everyone there is emotional (I am characterizing a general discourse and not making an argument about every individual who holds a position), and it certainly does not mean that there are no arguments in favor of the deal (I wrote explicitly that there are). Hence, raising arguments in favor of the deal does not say anything about the nature of the discourse and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion. Arguments that show that I am wrong or that the others are right, even if they were correct (and in my opinion they are not. see below), are irrelevant. That is all there is to the wrong aspect.

      As for the argument itself, it is ostensibly debatable, and therefore it is ostensibly not a simple mistake. But on second thought I can't understand it, even before I agree or disagree with it. What is Rabbi Pechter actually proposing? Does he have someone to run Gaza? If so, then who told him that I disagree with his solution? Did I write something about it? Maybe he's suggesting that Hamas continue there? Well, if that's the alternative he's presenting, then I'm in a pretty good position.
      And if we assume that there really is no solution, neither for me nor for him, what does this argument mean? That I'm emotional and he's actually rational? Why? When there's no solution, accusing someone of not having a solution is not a blame. This is the situation, and now we have to think about how to conduct ourselves within it. Reminds me of Shimon Peres' words: What is their alternative? (of the right wing that opposes compromise.) He assumes that if I don't have an alternative, then I have to accept his. But there is of course also the possibility that there is no alternative at all, for anyone.

      The conclusion is that Rabbi Pechter's claim (which ostensibly expresses that he has a logical reason for the policy he recommends) is flawed in two ways: a. It is irrelevant to the discussion (regarding the emotionality of the discourse), even if it were true. b. It is also not really a claim. In light of this, I ask myself whether such an argument can be seen as a logical charge? I highly doubt it. It is an act of contradiction.

      By the way, if we are talking about policy in this complicated situation, I did have a suggestion that I think is at least worth considering: continue to fight and kill and destroy them for decades without breaking down, despite the costs. Let them think about what the solution is, and let them discuss whether they have an alternative and let them assume that they cannot force us? Why do we always have to pull the chestnuts out of the fire for them and assume that there is no forceful solution and that they will not break down? Of course, one can argue about this, but at least it is an argument and not just an emotional outburst.

      1. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18Txw5rJTy/
        An interesting video I came across regarding the topic

  24. I think this is the most outrageous column you've written.
    Your main arguments in the column are
    1. The media 'carnival' in favor of the deal.
    2. The silencing of the voices of opponents.
    3. The surrender of reason to emotion.

    I assume you don't watch the news panels (maybe with the exception of cherry picking that is sent on WhatsApp) because if you did, you would discover (to your surprise?) that there are discussions and arguments made for and against the deal, and the 'carnival' is much less significant than you imagine.
    2. This is really nonsense, they are not silencing voices, I personally am tired of all the eternal victims of feed me, drink me, don't listen to me…https://m.youtube.com/watch ?v=dy4i1oXaslw starting at minute 7:20
    3. I will explain later why I think opposing the deal is the least rational thing and making a deal is much more logical, to the body of the argument – I am not clear what your expectation is that the protesters in favor of the deal will do a debate or a course in logic? A demonstration, by its very nature, is a much more emotional event than an intellectual one – so there is no point in coming to demonstrations with arguments. Regarding the media channels, as I mentioned in section 1, there are and are discussions on panels, and even if there are also articles or interviewees who speak more to the emotion, this should not cloud the fact that there are discussions at a reasonable level (as far as the level of a studio is reasonable…). And in my opinion, those who oppose the deal mainly appeal to emotion and hardly bring any logical arguments. The opponents mainly bring the emotion of fear (to a considerable extent irrational) of the ’restoration of Hamas’ or the emotion of national honor that Hamas is subduing Israel or the emotion of revenge – Hamas did not pay the price.

    As you said yourself at the beginning of the war – that the two goals of the war contradict each other and there is a pair of zero-sum games between them. In other words, anyone who understands this and yet opposes the deal for the hostages is in fact supporting their deaths, no matter how you twist it, that is exactly the meaning of opposing the deal. And in a completely symmetrical way – anyone who supports the deal and understands the zero-sum game is in fact supporting the continuation of Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip, and yes, I fully admit that in my opinion the return of the hostages is many times more important than the collapse of Hamas.

    I know this is not the purpose of the post, but I find it difficult to understand the rationale of those opposed to the deal – and for some reason it seems obvious to you – so I will list all the arguments in favor of it.
    The way I see it, the opposition to the deal is built on two foundations.
    1. Unwillingness to release terrorists/prisoners.
    2. The desire to collapse Hamas (which, as mentioned, contradicts the return of the hostages).

    1. The claim that releasing prisoners will build the next leadership does not really stand the test of reality…
    A. Sinwar himself was responsible for the murder of Palestinians – meaning the leadership was not quite random and in the Shalit deal he was not even subject to bargaining…
    B. Most of the terrorists will not be released to Gaza.
    C. There are 2 million people in Gaza, they don't really need the hundreds/thousands (however many) of prisoners.
    2. The argument of the loss of deterrence – We lost deterrence already on 7.10 and in any case if there is anything we are supposed to learn from the massacre it is that we should not rely on deterrence… In addition, on the other fronts deterrence is quite present so maybe this is offset? In any case, in my opinion this is not a good enough argument to abandon the hostages to their deaths.
    3. There will be attacks in the future – This is the best argument that opposition to the deal has. But, a. There will be attacks even without the release of prisoners. b. It is possible that the security forces knew how to deal with the terrorists who were released (it is also possible that they did not) but the lives of the hostages are precious.

    Regarding the second argument of the collapse of Hamas rule.
    1. Hamas at the height of its power and with timing that surprised all the security systems (IDF, intelligence, government) managed to cause a number of deaths that are not even close to the deaths from Corona or from 4 years of road accidents. A country needs to manage risks and not panic because of a “gang armed with bezants and rifles”. Hezbollah, for comparison, was and remains a much more significant threat than Hamas (from a military point of view – in terms of determination, probably less so).
    2. War exacts a price – and the marginal benefit from war is decreasing, you have to know when to stop.
    3. I didn't even mention the consideration that we don't live in a vacuum and there is a world around us that could force us to end the war (if it hasn't already forced us to…) the other threats that are much more significant right now – Hezbollah, Syria (maybe even Egypt and Turkey), and the socio-moral consideration of mutual guarantee and not abandoning the "wounded" in the field. And not even the consideration that it is precisely the hostages who prevent the IDF from operating and eradicating effectively in certain places - that is, ironically, releasing the hostages may help topple the Hamas regime.

    There are of course other considerations here and there, but these are the main ones (if I haven't missed them). In other words, in my opinion, the mistake in the post is twofold, and the post falls exactly where it intends to criticize

    1. I'm sorry you got angry, but in my opinion, it's completely unfair.
      The three claims you made are indeed my claims. But you didn't write there, and rightly so, the claim that there are no arguments in favor of the deal. You rightly didn't write it, because I clearly wrote in the column that there are, and that I have no claim against anyone who makes such claims. My claim was against the media discourse in general, and not just at the protests, but in almost all the various diaries and programs (except those presented by right-wing people like Libeskind or Akiva Novik or Amit Segal). Not a single presenter asks the supporters of the deal any hard questions. They just pour out their emotions that they must be returned, sometimes accompanied by all sorts of pseudo-arguments that don't hold water, and there is no other side. It's clear that if there's a panel dedicated to this issue, you won't just hear whining there, but also arguments (usually pseudo-arguments, but this is of course just my opinion). But the general atmosphere is exactly like with Gilad Shalit, and this time on steroids. As I wrote, after that all those who always opposed the deal will appear, just like with Shalit (some may have really opposed and not voiced them because of the silencing. Others did not really oppose and just realize that they were wrong).
      It seems strange to me that you are cherry picking and referring me to arguments in favor of the deal, even though this of course proves nothing. It is clear that you can find those who make arguments, and it is clear that there are arguments (in my opinion unconvincing) like this. The question I was dealing with is how the discourse is conducted in general. What is even stranger is that you accuse me of cherry picking, when I did not do it at all, but rather you. Note that I did not bring concrete examples precisely because of the fear of cherry picking. I am talking about a general impression of the media and public discourse, and this is a clear impression. Anyone who does not see this is simply blind.

      As for your claims about the substance of the deal, that is not my topic in the column nor our topic here (and indeed you mentioned it too). So I will address it briefly.
      2. Here is your most obvious cherry-picking.
      3. I did not deal only with the demonstrations. I know how demonstrations are conducted (unfortunately).

      I have written more than once (including in the comments to this column. It is a shame you did not read) that in my opinion the release of terrorists is not the problem. I am in favor of a deal to release all the terrorists in exchange for all the hostages (which cannot happen, because Hamas will not agree. An absolute majority of the public and politicians would agree to such a deal). Indeed, the focus is on the achievements with regard to Hamas. The argument is that if we do not collapse Hamas, we have achieved nothing. In a few years we will be in the same situation again and we have only carried out another unnecessary operation, one of many, that only cost us victims and achieved nothing. Now the question is what can be achieved and what cannot. In my opinion, it is possible to achieve this, but even if you don't think so - then there was basically no point in the whole move and we should have focused on the deal on the hostages and that was it. Since these goals were set, and especially since we have already achieved quite a few of them, it is not right to give up everything in exchange for the goal of freeing the hostages. A country should not give up its territory and its security because of a few dozen hostages, as cruel as it sounds. This is exactly reason versus emotion.
      You are talking in terms of diminishing marginal utility, and this is where your main mistake lies. You see the utility in the number of dead. This is nonsense. The number of dead is really not interesting. They will always have others. You need to reach a point where the organization as an organization ceases to exist. There is a good chance of that, and unfortunately it has greatly diminished because of the deal (it could still happen. The government claims so. Time will tell).
      We do not live in a vacuum, and yet I think we could continue a determined war for years and years, as long as we have hostages and as long as there is a terrorist organization that does not disarm. If we had shown such determination, the chances of achieving the goal would have increased dramatically. The desperation of people like you feeds itself.

      In conclusion, the post does not fall short of anything it wants to criticize. And you certainly did not show it.

      1. Your three claims are related to each other.
        If you assume/come to the conclusion that there is a media carnival and the voices of opponents are being silenced, the obvious conclusion is that support for the deal stems from emotion taking over logic.
        I disagree with each of the claims.
        I'm probably just as blind as you point out because the "general impression of the public discourse" in my eyes is much more biased in favor of those opposed to the deal (relative to their share in the public). If there are enough blind people like me, it probably means that your way of consuming media is relatively biased.
        This also concerns the silencing of voices (allegedly), the approaching and whining claim of silencing voices is so ridiculous and absurd in an era of free media - where every third person has a podcast about nothing and nothing, that you could easily open a digital newspaper or a page on Telegram.
        When you say that public discourse is a carnival in favor of the kidnapped except for ” diaries and programs presented by right-wing people” and I will add – except for Channel 14 and except for podcasts by right-wing people and except for i124 and except for popular Telegram pages and except for and except for… do you understand now why I think the claim of silencing voices is getting close?
        And as you mentioned, you are not even talking about the demonstrations – only about the media discourse (whatever that means… major channels except for 14? Podcasts? YouTube channels? Telegram? Twitter? I really don't know what you are generalizing as media discourse and what not…), let's assume for the sake of the matter that it is only about channels 12-13, even on these channels my claim was that the ’carnival’ is much less than what you describe, cherry picking is just a contradiction to the claim of silencing voices because according to the claim it is not enough to bring one counterexample…
        And I really don't understand how you can claim silencing voices when Samit Segal literally has a show (with Ben Caspit) and appears on just about every news panel.
        Now, it is clear that I am not claiming that the discourse is entirely a philosophical discussion – it cannot be. And it is also clear to me that the use of emotion (also on channels 12-13) is a thing that happens – I do not deny it. I am simply claiming that those who oppose the deal use emotional arguments no less (and in my opinion even more) than those who support the deal (for some reason you completely ignored this…).
        Anyway, after realizing that the ’carnival’ It is not as she screams, and that silencing voices does not exist and is probably even impossible, it can be assumed that supporters of the deal do not support it for emotional reasons. There is a lot of logic in supporting the deal (and in my opinion even illogicality in not supporting it).
        In my opinion, as I mentioned earlier, the best argument against the deal lies in the level of opposition to the release of prisoners. According to your argument, this is not the main consideration, so I will ignore this consideration for now.
        From the beginning of the war, it was clear that the war would have 3 stages: 1. Destroying Hamas' military capabilities as a military organization.
        2. Destroying pockets of resistance.
        3. Finding an alternative to Hamas' rule in the Gaza Strip.
        According to the Pareto principle and the last mile principle, it can be estimated that 80% of Hamas' capabilities (people and weapons) were destroyed in the first 20% of the fighting. Already around March-April it was quite clear that the IDF had moved to the second phase in most places (except for the central camps and Khan Yunis, which to this day apparently have not moved to the second phase).
        Therefore, the claim that if we did not completely destroy Hamas, we did nothing is simply a ridiculous and absurd claim. Do you really think that if the IDF withdraws from Gaza today, the threat from Hamas will remain the same as on 6.10? Have we really achieved nothing?
        If you want a relatively reliable and neutral source of information, I recommend the Nationalist channel (on YouTube, which you can understand from its name alone that it is not some dove) It covered the war from day one until the (second) hostage deal, and you can see quite clearly the diminishing marginal benefit with each additional day of fighting - with a relatively stable number of dead soldiers - My conclusion is that the IDF has exhausted its fighting and the elimination of pockets of resistance is a step that is too expensive relative to its benefit.
        I have no idea why not see the war against Hamas in terms of marginal cost – This is necessary and logical because every additional effort to eliminate Hamas has a cost – ” and if Hamas gets stronger, we will get stronger than it” (Bibi, State Audit Committee after Protective Edge).
        And as I have already said, the aspiration to eliminate Hamas at all costs is an irrational aspiration, Hamas was and remains (certainly after the IDF's crushing) a gang armed with bezants and rifles, a zero threat to Israel's security – There is no logic in investing all national resources in a secondary and almost risk-free arena, certainly not for a country with much more serious threats from almost every possible direction. If we invest the resources needed to completely eliminate Hamas in improving road infrastructure, the expected benefit will be much higher… but when the emotion of fear takes over people, they become irrational. (Now it is more clear where the post falls short in exactly what it wants to criticize?)
        And finally, as a side note, I personally thought until April-May that Hamas posed a threat to Israel and if its elimination requires that the hostages be killed, we don't have much of a choice. We can't afford an attack similar to 7/10, but since April-May I have understood that most of Hamas' capabilities (according to Pareto) have been destroyed and Hamas does not pose a threat to Israel and that it is time to realize the second goal of the war.
        Unlike you, who are willing to admit that you think Hamas should be destroyed at the cost of the deaths of the hostages, everyone who advocates destroying Hamas is unwilling to admit this, and when the truth is told, they start whining and saying, "Why do you say we don't care about the hostages?" In my opinion, this is unparalleled hypocrisy (in Smotrich, for example, who is aware that the goals are contradictory), or at the very least stupidity and an inability to understand that the goals are contradictory.

        1. The "hypocrisy" you see in those who say: "Why do you say we don't care about the kidnapped?" is your inability to understand the necessary ambivalence. Does someone who thinks they should cut off their hand due to illness not care about their hand?

    2. I will just add to an argument that Michy did not address in his response,
      The way you measured the threat from Hamas based on the number of deaths is a fatal mistake. According to this measure, Iran is not a threat.
      As Michy pointed out, a functioning Hamas would cause us to give up our land, security and peace, security and political resources, and also human lives. The coronavirus was actually a good example in my opinion, accidents a little less so.
      I don't know anyone who wants to live in a country that has a negligible loss of 1200 people every few years from a terrorist attack, math doesn't help here.

      1. I understand the ”ambivalence” very well; but in the end, whoever decides that the lives of the hostages are less important than the overthrow of Hamas has decided that the lives of the hostages are less important than the overthrow of Hamas…
        And in a completely symmetrical way, the opposite is true, except that there are no people who are willing to say explicitly that the lives of the hostages are less important, compared to people who are willing to say that the overthrow of Hamas is less important…
        Regarding human lives, it is exactly the opposite (!) of what I said… Risk is not measured by the number of people killed in the past, but by the potential for damage. Hamas, as we have seen, at the height of its power with a colossal failure of the security system managed to cause the killing of 1200 people – in other words, this is Hamas's upper limit.
        Iran, on the other hand, may reach much greater damage without blinking – It's chilling to think if all the missiles they fired in the last attack had fallen on a civilian area - for comparison, one Houthi missile injured over 50 people in a civilian area.
        Hamas today cannot carry out a major attack like it did on 7/10 and it is doubtful that it will ever restore its strength to the level it was on the eve of 7/10. Therefore, I think it would be better to leave Hamas alone and release the hostages.

        And by the way, welcome to Israel - the place where there is not a year without a terrorist attack and there is hardly a month without an attempted attack/thwartment since 1920 (and that's without taking into account all the wars since 1948).
        I don't think there is anyone who opposes releasing hostages and thinks that we won't live by our swords -

  25. Smotrich’ and other ”hypocrites”, clearly say that toppling Hamas is more important than returning the hostages. You simply don't really listen to them.

    Inverse or not, you are again measuring the risk according to the number of deaths (although you also upgraded to potential deaths) Read again what I wrote about Hamas functioning. And read an English-English dictionary of “terror”.

    And finally, I will come back again, pay attention to what people actually say, not what you want them to say:
    There is a difference between terrorist attacks (which, by the way, are not really contained) and massive terrorist raids. Indeed, the State of Israel is already difficult for many to live in, but terrorist raids on entire communities are a different story.

    I did not understand the last sentence. Indeed, it does not seem that there is anyone who opposes the release of hostages. Indeed, the sane among us understand that we will live by our swords. What's the point of Shmita? (Perhaps you were again using insensitivity to scale and responding to my words regarding the resources that Hamas will demand, noting that one way or another resources will be spent on terror? After all, we all buy Rolex watches because we need to know the time.)

  26. Forgive me...
    The equation between a terrorist attack and a car accident because of the number of deaths seems like a mistake that the G.P.T. would make.
    Or like someone trying to rationalize a position he has imposed on himself.

    1. If I return to the topic of the post for a moment, my claims were:
      1. That there is no silencing of opinions that oppose the hostage agreement.
      2. That there is no carnival on the issue of the deal.
      In any case, it is a mistake to say that the discourse is based primarily on emotion and not on logic. (Of course, emotion has quite a bit of influence – but emotion affects opponents of the deal no less, and in my opinion even more, than those who support it).
      When I gave examples of how Smotrich’s opinions And Segal's are also heard on commercial channels, so it's cherry picking (I basically came to contradict the claim that voices are being silenced - so what exactly is the problem with this cherry picking?)
      And when I claimed that it is not possible to silence them and that in my opinion the voices of those who oppose the deal are more common (relative to the number of those who oppose the deal), the rabbi claimed that I was blind.
      The whole point of the post was to oppose the media carnival, but when someone dares to claim that there is no carnival, then they are simply blind. 🤷

      Note that I wrote that there are no people who are willing to explicitly say that the **lives** of the kidnapped are less important, and you wrote that the overthrow of Hamas is more important than the **return** of the kidnapped. Even you are not willing to admit that if the hostages are not returned, they are in fact sentenced to death. This is an interesting and important precision, because this is exactly my argument, the opponents of the deal say that they are in favor of returning the hostages but ”not at any cost” ”not if Hamas remains in power” ”humanitarian for humanitarian” and all sorts of other excuses (in my opinion) because they simply cannot deal with the consequences of their choice. But no one is willing to say (which is of course also politically incorrect…) that they are willing for the hostages to die along with Hamas, (the assumption of this post is that the two goals of the war are in conflict – I agree with this assumption, I don't know about you…)

      Let's see what we can agree on…
      1. All the stars aligned for Hamas on 7.10 and this led to the massacre.
      2. Hamas is among the minor threats to the State of Israel – both in terms of potential damage (of deaths from terrorist raids), and even the damage from their missiles is quite minimal. In my opinion, this was also true before 7.10, but at least today we can agree on this (after most of its capabilities have been destroyed).

      If we agree with both assumptions, the obvious conclusion is that the State of Israel's risk management should focus on the bigger problems (Hezbollah, Iran, and in my opinion even the Palestinian Authority) and not invest all its resources in trying to eliminate Hamas (note that this is true even if we exclude the issue of the hostages).
      Even if Israel ends the war and ”surrender” For Hamas, this does not mean giving up land, the measure in my opinion is whether people are willing to live in the encirclement settlements – I personally am willing to live there today (which was not true a year and a half ago). People who are not willing to live in the encirclement are like people who are afraid to fly on a plane but have no problem driving a car – that is, they are irrationally afraid.
      By the way, what is the big difference between terrorist attacks and ”massive terrorist raids”? In my opinion, it is only a quantitative difference, no one cares if they die in a terrorist attack, a massive terrorist raid or a car accident. The only difference that can be is in the risk management of the State of Israel. If Hamas can carry out a massive terrorist raid, it means that it has reached semi-military capabilities, and the State of Israel clearly cannot accept that. Today Hamas has lost this ability and has returned to its original size of a ”gang armed with bezants and rifles” (which was not true a year ago).
      I see that you are somehow caught up in the example of traffic accidents, if I miraculously let you choose to completely thwart either a massive raid by a terrorist organization that will claim the lives of 1200 Israelis once every 20 years or all traffic accidents that claim an average of 350 lives a year? It is legitimate to choose the first option – but it is not rational…
      Now, this is not at all my claim that life is binary, on the contrary, I keep trying to argue that one should look at the achievements – in the war against Hamas and in the eradication of traffic accidents – as cumulative achievements against the marginal cost. And that's precisely why I think supporting the hostage deal is the rational thing to do - because the marginal benefit, in my opinion, is too low in relation to the cost (soldiers and hostages).

      1. You continue to think that people say whatever you want them to say.
        I don't see the need to be blunt about a painful subject, but you're playing semantics with me, so I have to: “The lives of the kidnapped are less important to me than the destruction of Hamas” Is that clear enough this time?

        Didn't you look up “terrorism” in the dictionary, the literal translation is “horror”, and you, who are blinded by the lives of a tiny number of people (the kidnapped), shouldn't have fallen into a trap in mathematics and talked about the death toll of suffocating grape pits compared to those murdered in terrorism…
        You can say until tomorrow that it's irrational to fear terrorism. I'm not a psychologist or a sociologist, but terrorism is designed to instill terror, and it does succeed. It has happened quite a few times that one serial killer who murdered a tiny handful of people, locked himself in the homes of residents of huge cities in the US and Russia. That's why I compared you to J.P.T. You seem a bit disconnected from basic familiarity with human beings.
        By the way, you can't sometimes treat quantity as an argument and sometimes cancel it, depending on how it suits you. I feel like you're working overtime rationalizing, and you can't be blamed, our hearts all go out to the hostages. (“I don't understand why they say we don't care about them”)

        I expect you to honestly say, as you explain in Toto”d, that sixty live prisoners is a lower number than those who die each year from heatstroke, and therefore we should ignore them completely and conduct ourselves on other levels of the war.

      2. I will only answer the rhetorical question, if I were miraculously given the opportunity to eradicate 350 deaths from traffic accidents per year or 1200 people murdered in a terrorist raid on a country once every 20 years.
        In an “irrational” way, I would definitely choose to eradicate terrorism.
        And between our universe and the universe in which I chose to eradicate death from accidents, I believe you would choose to live in the Israel of our universe.

        I remind you again, the word “terrorism” does not mean: “death”. And humans are irrational, no matter how irrational it is to be irrational.

        1. It's really amazing that you actually prove what I'm saying... I'll explain, the entire post we're responding to laments that the public discourse is driven by emotion and that this emotion is biased towards the release of the hostages. I claimed that this is not true and that support for the deal is rational while opposition to the deal is much less rational and more emotional. And here, after a few talkbacks, you said quite explicitly that the fear of attacks (terrorism = horror) causes people to make irrational decisions to the point of sacrificing the lives of the hostages.

          Now, you're the second person and a half who openly admits that the lives of the hostages are less important than the lives of Hamas, most opponents of the deal are not willing to admit this, so it's not just a semantic matter, it's fundamental.

          I'm not "blinded" by the lives of a tiny number of people. I think human lives matter, whether they are killed as hostages, in car accidents, in war, or suffocated by poison gas. If I thought that rescuing the hostages would almost certainly (or almost certainly) result in many more people dying in the future, I would be strongly opposed to the deal, and that is really why at the beginning of the war I did not support ending the war, even if it meant that hostages would die.

          By the way, there is a not-so-small chance that even if there were no hostages, I would be in favor of ending the war – because the question is whether a soldier or two killed a day (on average) is worth continuing the fighting.

          In conclusion, I am aware of the meaning of the word terrorism, and as you yourself have admitted, the irrational fear of Hamas makes people oppose the deal, even though it is probably the rational thing to do – in other words, you are actually pretty much refuting the post (anecdotally of course) and proving my point…

  27. Strong and blessed Rabbi Michael for the correct, honest, clear and lucid things you wrote.
    And in order not to end only with pain about the situation, this is the opportunity to remind those who have forgotten – If emotional psychoses are indeed the property of secular and not religious thinking, the only way to prevent them from continuing to embitter our lives and destroy our country is by repenting as many people as possible who will finally gain reason and begin to act from the brain and not from the heart, as our holy Torah teaches us. Without such a process, fast or slow, we are unfortunately doomed.

  28. You can comment here or in a future article on the question – Does the surrender agreement mean that the sacrifice of the fallen was in vain?

    In addition, could you please comment on the issue of whether it is worth enlisting in the IDF when you know that you will risk your life to protect the lives of enemy citizens and your sacrifice may (probably) go down the drain?

    Thank you,

    1. It's clear that you're speaking from your gut. Emotions speak, not logic. If you want to discuss something, try to act and think from your head and not from your gut.

      This is not a surrender agreement, but it's a pretty bad agreement in my opinion. Of course, I don't have complete information, so it's hard to say anything clear.
      The question of whether the sacrifice was in vain is not well defined. It achieved a beautiful result, but not a complete one. There is almost no military action that achieves a complete and absolute result. Therefore, there is no such thing as in vain. This is just an emotional and undefined statement. Were the deaths in all the wars in vain because we still have enemies? What kind of ridiculous statement is that?!

      There is no question here of whether it is worthwhile or not. There is an obligation to enlist in order to defend the country, and we have no other way to defend it. Neither you nor I determine what is worthwhile and what is not, nor the obligation. Armchair experts like the rest of us who determine what military action is necessary and what is not, cannot determine anything. There is an obligation to enlist and try to do our best. Just because you don't achieve the full result doesn't mean that the mobilization is unnecessary or in vain. If everyone doesn't mobilize, we'll all be at sea. Is this a better result? What kind of twisted thinking is this?!

      1. Thanks for the response,
        I may be speaking from a position since I enlisted for a non-combat role and my heart aches when I see the sacrifices of combat soldiers.

        To the point:
        Of course the state needs to recruit soldiers and if there is no army, “we will all be at sea”.
        My question was about the individual, because if the main achievement of the war is the release of the hostages, then by simple calculation it turns out that the state “sacrificed” ~500 soldiers for the release of ~130 and May Hezi Dadma Dhabreh Somek Tefi and then I have a moral reason not to enlist in combat, in addition to the fact that the IDF”s combat doctrine, in my opinion (and also according to Torah, as far as I have investigated), is extremely biased towards protecting the lives of enemy civilians over IDF soldiers. Or am I just being selfish?

        1. You are not only selfish but also talking nonsense.
          The main achievement is not the release of the kidnapped. Nor is the state sacrificing its soldiers just to free the kidnapped. As mentioned, there are many more achievements. And there is also the deterrence against future kidnappings.
          And if no one enlists to fight me, it is as if no one enlists at all.
          And I haven't even touched on the vain statement about protecting enemy civilians.
          This discussion is an insult to intelligence, so I will end it here.

  29. With all your knowledge, and your ability to understand religious matters, have you not yet managed to understand that what interests the Gazans is religion, God, and commandments?
    Are you claiming that continuing to fight is a solution? It is a solution of a child's grief, in the name of the Holocaust, that young people will be forcibly conscripted into the army and die... and on and on. In the kind of nonsense that is reserved only for... I will keep it to myself.

    The only way is to take their land. Take their land and they will have to return the kidnapped according to their religion, without any release from terrorists. Thank you for losing, behave responsibly, understand the other without being condescending, after they return you will decide if you want to fight, flatten the Strip and take territory again. Which is what I would do. Teach them (Islam) and their levers of pressure before you talk about solutions. I can't believe that's what I read from you.

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