Yard mixing controversy

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asked 9 years ago

What is your opinion on the kosher mixing of courtyards nowadays, as practiced in various cities?

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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago

Doubtful, but there’s not much choice. This is a question of a rabbinic prohibition. —————————————————————————————— Asks: Why is there no choice? We can simply avoid shaking, right? Also, regarding the dispute over the public authority of the Torah about whether 60 thousand is needed or not, why do you hold that 60 thousand is needed (to the best of my recollection, Maimonides believes otherwise)? —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: It is impossible for the entire public to avoid shaking (what about parents of babies? Will they not leave the house?) Mixing is not beneficial in the Rabbinical Council, but only in Carmelite. In the Rabbinical Council, there is no advice and shaking is impossible. —————————————————————————————— Asks: I assume that during the exile, parents of infants also refrained from shaking (correct me if I’m wrong) – so why wouldn’t they continue this way? I meant the controversy regarding the streets today, some consider them holy and some don’t. I assume that you require 60,000 people to pass through the street a day for it to be considered holy. The question is why do you hold this view if it is not mentioned in the Rambam or the Rifa, or in the Talmud. —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: What does this have to do with discovery? It is customary to pronounce according to Rashi’s method that sixty rabbis are required (this may be the result of considerations of difficulty). —————————————————————————————— Asks: Regarding the exile, I assume that in Vilneh or Sana’a there was no mixing like there is today around Petah Tikva or Ramat Gan (correct me if I’m wrong). Still, Jews lived there just fine, apparently without any disturbance. —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: There were controversies abroad. There is even a well-known story about Napoleon and the controversies of Paris. —————————————————————————————— Jonathan: I was told that the opinion of Rabbi Kapach, z”l, was that it is possible to do a mixture even in a Rabbi, and based on this, it is possible to allow a mixture today even without being forced into the 60-ribua method.
What do you think about this? —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: I would be very happy if there were good arguments in favor of the matter. I am not familiar with Rabbi Kaffah’s words. Do you have a source or link where I can read his reasoning?

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י.ד. replied 8 years ago

I understand that those who prohibit are afraid of the Gentiles living in the area of the mixing that is being done without their knowledge (although they claim that since the state is Jewish, their presence is not absolute and therefore their opinion should not be taken into account, but there are those who are still afraid).

אורן replied 1 year ago

Anyone who thinks that Rambam's method for defining public property (which does not require 60 rabbis) is more reasonable than Rashi's method, should they be stricter and refrain from shaking public property on Shabbat?

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

In principle, yes. Although in times of emergency there is room for leniency, as with other methods.