The Return of the Hostages: On Contradictions, Politics, and Lies (Column 611)
With God’s help
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Beloved is Plato, beloved is Socrates, but truth is most beloved of all
(An ancient adage, appearing in Chavot Ya’ir and in the responsa of the Rid, among others)
I apologize in advance that in this column, too, I will try to write the truth (as I see it), in a realm where everyone is lying to themselves and to others (many of them justifiably, from their perspective). This truth is painful and hurts quite a few people, but in my view truth is always the preferred option (see: just in recent days I was asked about this several times in the Q&A, for example here).
The Oxymoron
In column 607 (written toward the end of the pause for the exchange of hostages) I already noted that the three war aims constitute a system with an internal contradiction. The government set for itself and for the army three goals: destroying Hamas, creating a situation in which there is no threat to the Gaza envelope, and returning the hostages. A simple calculation shows that it is impossible to achieve all three of these goals together. Hamas holds the hostages as a winning card (see what pressure this creates here), and I see no reasonable possibility that they will be willing to return them for anything less than a cessation of fighting with effective international guarantees that it will not resume afterwards (meaning that we will not destroy them). They, too, know that after a deal we can always return to fighting. Just so they have no misunderstandings, we also declare very clearly that nothing will stop us until we destroy Hamas and kill Sinwar. So how could the hostages be returned to us? It cannot be.
Perhaps it is possible to reach the destruction of Hamas (and even about this I am very doubtful), but then we will have at most the bodies of the hostages—if at all. Maybe we will manage to free a few individuals in a successful case (like the escape of the three last Friday who, were it not for the soldiers’ tragic mistake, would have gotten out), but as a rule under such a policy we will end up only with bodies. Alternatively, one can try to make a deal and get the hostages back, but that would be without toppling Hamas. In the end, a simple calculation shows there is no way to achieve all three war aims together. Beyond that, as noted, I also very much doubt whether Hamas can truly be toppled, which all the more raises the question of whether it is right to forgo the hostages if those other aims will not be achieved. It is not reasonable to be left with none of the three; therefore at least we should consider trying to obtain the hostages (see column 607).
Just today I have already started to see such voices in the discourse. See, for example, Einav Schiff, “Time to Climb Down from the Tree” (Yedioth 18.12, p. 10), and similar points by Ofer Shelach, “Move to Phase C Now.” The question is when this will reach the official discourse and the facts will be laid on the table.
The Lies
The government and the army repeatedly declare that the return of the hostages is a central objective, and immediately add that the fighting will not stop until the destruction of Hamas and its leadership. In other words, the three goals still stand. They also keep explaining to us that the fighting creates pressure on Hamas without which the hostages will not be returned. This is nonsense, of course, since that pressure can at most lead to a prisoner exchange (without which there will be no hostages returned; they will not be liberated in a military operation), and by definition such an exchange will be conditioned on a complete halt to the fighting. That means that if we receive the hostages there will be no destruction of Hamas, and vice versa.
I assume that even our government and army understand this simple contradiction, and if they understand it then Hamas certainly does (they, unlike us, have intelligent leadership). So why is this repeated all the time? Because it is very convenient to lie in such a situation. The leadership (political and military) that failed cannot face the families of the hostages who have borne the fruits of this terrible fiasco. They are rightly seen as culpable, and the guilty cannot tell them that they have decided to sacrifice their loved ones on the altar of correcting this failure. Therefore they tell them—and all of us—a lie to placate the families, while in fact intending to continue the fighting and give up on the hostages (alternatively, to give up on toppling Hamas, and then perhaps there is a chance to get the hostages—rather slim). All the players in the arena know this is a lie: the speakers themselves, the families of the hostages, and Hamas. But it is a convenient lie, because, as noted, it is very hard to tell the families that we have given up on the hostages. There are situations in which a person lies to his friend, the friend knows he is lying and he knows that the friend knows, and nevertheless that is what is done.
None of this is meant as criticism. Bibi is indeed a consummate liar, and he surely feels like a fish in water telling these lies. It is his undisputed specialty. But in this case the lie is justified, at least under these circumstances, because one cannot forgo the other war aims and it is very hard to tell the families the truth to their faces.
“Families of the Hostages” or the families of the hostages
The spokespeople on behalf of the families of the hostages also talk about a deal at the price of a halt to the fighting, and add that we can always eliminate Hamas afterwards. Hamas, of course, knows this as well, and therefore there is no chance they will agree to a deal without a complete cessation of fighting with clear guarantees that it will not be renewed. Again, a consensual lie—this time on behalf of the families of the hostages and their PR reps. This lie is wrapped in quite a few arguments, almost all of which are unfounded. I heard, for instance, someone claim that it is very important to preserve national unity and therefore the hostages must be returned (implicitly, even at the price of stopping the fighting). That is, if we give up the other goals and bring back the hostages, there will be unity; if not, then they will not unite with us. It reminds me of the “unity of the people” of Smotrich and the Har HaMor folks. In another interview I heard the claim that the pause yielded 100 freed hostages while the fighting yielded not even one; therefore we must make a deal (and then we can return to fighting). That argument is foolish for so many reasons that I do not have the strength even to list them.
But the families are understandable. There are two ways to explain their clinging to this oxymoron. One possibility is that, due to their distress, they are biased and repress the fact that this is an oxymoron. Another possibility is that they know it full well but are also lying (justifiably, from their perspective). They are trying to sell us on making a deal and then eliminating Hamas (for it is unpleasant to say that they want their loved ones at the expense of the security of the rest of the country’s residents), but it is possible that they, too, know perfectly well that this will not happen (because such a deal would necessarily entail a complete cessation of the fighting).
It is important to note that there are also families who think otherwise (almost all of them from the religious right, of course. See the end of column 605 and columns 607–608). They argue that one must not concede and make a deal or a pause even at the price of their loved ones’ lives. These families at least honestly put the facts on the table and do not whitewash them; they are unwilling to lie or bury their heads in the sand, and even set—admirably—an appropriate and non-biased order of priorities. See, for example, the statements of the Mor and Libman families. And of course one cannot ignore the impressive final testament of the soldier Ben Zussman, of blessed memory.
Now a riddle: look at the report here about that very testament, and think: what is missing? You guessed right: the instruction not to make a prisoner exchange. It is an inseparable and very impressive part of the testament, yet it is not mentioned even by hint in an entire article devoted to this testament. The most impressive part was omitted.[1] Quite amazing, no? And this is not the only article that did so. This is a crude expression of the media agenda enveloping us. What the media calls “the families of the hostages” are only those who speak in the first register, namely those who call for a deal at any price. The others are not considered part of “the families of the hostages,” and their voices are hardly heard. The media has crowned who is entitled to be called “families of hostages” (in quotation marks) and who is not; the fact that there is a hostage in your family is only a necessary but not sufficient condition to be included in that definition. I will return to this point below and explain it.
[1] My brother Dani shlit”a pointed out to me that there is a boxed segment there in which this is indeed brought. But such boxed segments are illustrations added by the editors (like titles and subtitles). In the article itself there is no hint of it.
To be clear, I have no complaint against the families themselves. They hire PR agents to promote their cause, which is only natural and fitting. My complaint is toward the media—and in fact the entire world of entertainment—which mobilize and cooperate with this emotional brainwashing. It seems as if all these people work for the PR agents of the “families” (but not for the families). From these quarters I would expect a bit more critical sense, some awareness that there are other views, and no less an awareness that the thesis they are promoting is an oxymoronic lie. But apparently my expectations are excessive for our emotional age (see column 605).
Yair Lapid: Did It Happen or Did I Dream?
But after all the whitewashers, tilters, and liars (justifiably) I mentioned until now, there is someone who seems to be the only one who truly does not understand what I have written here: the former prime minister, Yair Lapid (שליט״א, honorific). This morning I read his following gem (which is what prompted me to write this column):
Opposition leader Yair Lapid referred to the calls to promote an Israeli outline for a hostages deal, and said in an interview to ynet Live that “a new outline must be placed on the table, because the moment there is a paper on the table it generates action, even if it is not accepted.” According to him, “Netanyahu cannot continue to serve as prime minister. Elections can be held during war.” Lapid noted that he made clear to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the opposition will provide backing “even for painful prices in the hostages deal, but Israel cannot stop the fighting because Hamas will return at the first opportunity it has.”
He simultaneously speaks about freeing the hostages for painful prices, but of course this must be done without stopping the fighting until Hamas is destroyed. Wonderful. He is essentially proposing that we square the circle. He is indeed saying exactly what the government and the army say and what the “families of the hostages” (in quotation marks) say, but I already explained that all these are lying—knowingly or unknowingly—and justifiably from their perspectives. By contrast, Lapid seems like someone who does not understand that there is an oxymoron here. His words are akin to proposing to sign a peace agreement with the Palestinians and give them a state while leaving the whole Land of Israel to us. His next proposal will presumably be to solve the climate crisis without changing anything in our behavior. Admit it: these are perfect proposals, and it is unclear how we did not think of them ourselves. I must say that, assuming we are dealing with a person who proposes, as an operative suggestion, to square the circle, appointing him prime minister fills me with gloomy thoughts about our fate. It turns out the current government is not the bottom of the pit.
Another Interpretation
Well, perhaps we can judge Lapid favorably. It may be that he, too, understands the oxymoron here and is simply lying as well. But it is important to understand that for him this is not really a point in his favor. Unlike the government and the families of the hostages, whose lies are justified—each for their own reasons—his lie is not justified. He lies (assuming he is not an idiot) in order to enlist the electorate of the families of the hostages and, together with them, the protest forces against the government. That is his natural electorate, and if he is not lying then he is apparently speaking to them. These are the things they are saying and presumably what they also want to hear from a prime minister.
This brings me to the coalition that has been taking shape in recent weeks between the “families of the hostages” (in quotation marks—i.e., those among them who are oppositional to the government) and the protest forces that fell somewhat silent when the muses began to thunder here. Lately the Kaplan demonstrations are slowly returning, and again they are directed mainly against the government and in particular its head—but this time everything is done under the guise of concern for the hostages. The portrayal is that the government has it within its power to bring them back but chooses a different order of priorities. The punctilious add that it is indifferent to their fate, unintelligent, or corrupt. No wonder that Brothers in Arms and the various protest groups are gleefully riding this wave. It gives them legitimacy to return to the streets and continue the anti-government protests that had ceased in recent months due to events. It may be that Lapid’s words were aimed at the ears of this audience.
The Politicization of the Protest: the Kaplanists and the “Families of the Hostages”
These days there are many displays around the country and the world to remind people of the hostages. On the face of it there is nothing wrong with this, as it is proper to keep the issue on the public table and to identify with their suffering and that of their families. Yet it is hard to ignore the tone with which these displays are conducted. They are perceived as a protest against the government—the military arm of the “families of the hostages” (with quotation marks). It is no wonder that the protest forces (the various Kaplanists) and, of course, the media, join in. Despite the pretense that there is nothing political about this and it is only a moral and ethical matter, one cannot ignore the oppositional political context of this protest. It is perceived—and not for nothing—as a continuation of the previous protest under a different guise. Therefore the main struggle is conducted against the government, not just globally. Again and again one hears the demand to bring them back now, unconditionally and regardless of the price. The various excuses (most of them rather flimsy) come only afterwards. Somehow one gets the impression that anyone who does not aspire to their return at any price is a heartless traitor. People hardly dare to express a more measured view (see what happens to the families of the hostages—without quotation marks—who try to do so).
It is not for nothing that in public discourse the blame for the fiasco is pinned mainly on the government, and very few are willing to point an accusing finger at the army, although it is clear that it bears the chief responsibility. The army’s conceptions failed here, and in my assessment when the army has a clear position it usually succeeds in causing the government to act in its spirit. If the army had wanted to act more actively and proactively, I am sure the government would not have stopped it for long. These days warnings by the army supposedly ignored by the government are published every other day. I am sure such warnings exist all the time, there are quite a few officers and factors in the army, and one can always find, after the fact, warnings pointing in every direction. The prevailing spirit in the army was entirely in tune with Bibi’s and the government’s conception, but the public is unwilling to blame it and put it on the spot. The reason, I think, is the desire to hang the blame on the government (Bibi). In order to do that, the contribution of every other factor to the horrific outcome is blurred. This is yet another indication of the link between the protests about the hostages and the war and the protests that preceded Simchat Torah. We are told, with signs and wonders, the reasons for this in the government’s conduct, and at least to me—as someone who, as is known, is not counted among the government’s great admirers—this is not at all convincing. There is obvious tendentiousness here, and the factors stirring the pot prove it. The claims about government dysfunction, which certainly have some substance, are also greatly exaggerated, and seem to be a product of that same tendency. The impression is that the enormous contribution of “Brothers in Arms” to the functioning of the country and the army in the days after Simchat Torah is also a tool in their previous protest in order to hasten the government’s fall. The events and the hostages are merely the new tool to do so. Therefore I am unimpressed by the favorable media echo that the “families of the hostages” and protest actors receive. In my assessment, the credit they receive among the public itself (and also with me)—which their actions would have deserved on the merits—is diminishing. The politicization of ethical issues is not particularly beloved by the public. The media, as usual, does not reflect reality (especially from the right).
Precisely as someone who would very much like this government and this horrific coalition to disappear to the four winds, I view this trend with great concern. Beyond the tendentious lie involved and the usual debasement of discourse among us, this politicization and these positions are a shot to the protest’s own leg. Before the war I wrote that the demagoguery accompanying the protest against the reform (threats of democratic collapse; Hungary and Poland), which was entirely exaggerated and baseless, ultimately harmed it. It aroused camp-mindedness, and as is known the right-wing camp has a majority. This did not allow the sane right (the non-Bibi-ist) to come out against Bibi, as they felt attacked. In recent days I have begun to feel that the processes I have described here are returning us to the polarization before the war, and as then so now, Bibi supporters will back him all the more (due to the oppositional camp-mindedness). I must say that even I am already passing thoughts of voting for him just to send these harmful actors and this irritating propaganda packing.
We are told that Bibi is not acting to bring back the hostages. That is truly bizarre. He does lie, but we all know that. Moreover, I have already shown that everyone is lying, each for his reasons (most of which are justified). But why would he act against the hostages? After all, his interest—especially as someone perceived (not entirely justly, and certainly not exclusively) as responsible for the failure—is to emerge from it as well and as popular as possible. If anything, I suspect him of a bias in favor of the hostages and against the long-term interests, simply because as the one responsible for the fiasco it is surely hard for him to stand up to the families’ pressure. I fear he will forgo the long-term interests in order to look popular in the short term, by paying excessive prices for the hostages’ release. If he has a bias, in my opinion it is in their favor, not against them. But that does not stop them from going after him and suspecting him and the government, without any basis. In my eyes this is part of that same propaganda campaign whose goal is to create this harmful pressure on the government (if you are told you are not doing enough, it may push you to do more—even if that is not right and even if doing more will harm us all). That is as for the “families of the hostages” (with quotation marks). But the forces joining them—the media and the protest actors—are doing so out of the same position of continuing the previous protest and toppling the government.
Thus, for example, I do not share the criticism about Bibi’s failure to “take responsibility.” That is nonsense. I see no value in empty words with nothing behind them (“the responsibility is all mine”). The criticism about this joins all the baseless criticisms in previous periods (“the Arabs are heading to the polls in droves,” and the like) that were nothing but cheap and groundless propaganda. I certainly do fear that Bibi will not draw the conclusions he needs to draw and will not go home. That is the assumption of responsibility I would expect (at least as ministerial responsibility), and we are all hearing these days (indeed from that same enlisted media) how Bibi is preparing for the day after to prevent that from happening. The problem is that the tendentiousness and politicization of the processes I have described—whose aim is to ensure that he goes—are precisely what will allow him not to go.
The Substantive Context
Beyond the political context and the positions, these events also have a substantive-ideological context. In several columns I have noted the link between the approach to returning the hostages and the dispute between right and left. The left (liberal, not communist) regards the human being as an individual and the collective as something that exists to serve him. Therefore, for it, the fate of the individual stands at the center. The right sees, in the background, the nation—the collective—and is therefore willing to make more “cruel” considerations regarding individuals in order to benefit the collective in the long term. Hence the “families of the hostages” protest fits here very inherently with the left. It is not only because of the oppositional stance toward the government but also because of the ideology they express. Families that do not hold a left-wing worldview (and I assume that in the Gaza-envelope kibbutzim most are not, though there are also hostages from Sderot and Ofakim and from the party at Re’im), due to their personal bias adopt a left-wing narrative here. That, too, creates oppositional dynamics, for the government is made up of right-wing actors who, by virtue of being such, tend to a different course of action (the Haredim are not in the game—you do not hear them, not for nothing—and they are also not in the left-right game. They act for their own interest).
Remember, for example, Smotrich’s and Ben-Gvir’s statements at the beginning of the war that advocated an active and resolute course of action that ignores the hostages. Today they do not dare say that, although the operation proceeds in a manner that indeed ignores them (that is the lie from above). Moreover, within the declared war aims at the outset, the return of the hostages was entirely minor. After about two weeks the tune changed, and returning the hostages became the top mission (first among equals). That is the result of the pressure I have described. But, as noted, this is only at the declarative level, which is a collection of lies. Operationally, everyone understands that such an option does not exist, and at the substantive-ideological level a right-wing government, by virtue of being such, is also unwilling to forgo subduing Hamas (although, as noted, I very much doubt this is feasible) in favor of releasing the hostages.
Hello Rabbi Michael Avraham.
I completely agree with your explanation of the lie/oxymoron and the media's treatment of exceptional families who express their right to continue fighting despite the risk to the lives of their loved ones.
I have written this opinion on several occasions and in several responses.
I am interested in publishing your article on those sites.
Do you allow/agree to copy this article or parts of it and to publish things on various websites?
Best regards,
Yorem Bert.
Absolutely. Everything on this site is for publication and there is no need to ask permission.
Since this column is political, I will allow myself to enter this (ugly) field and say a few things:
A. There is indeed a built-in contradiction that any sensible person understands. And yet, you make one consistent mistake, which causes bias in many of your columns: You play the entire political map as if there were equal people there. But no. There are people who know how to play it, and one of them, whether you like it or not, is the current prime minister. So are Bennett, Yossi Cohen, and to a certain degree of another kind (I'm not saying whether it's better or worse) also people like Gantz and Eisenkot. And this is, more or less, in light of what the political table offers us.
Yair Lapid is not part of this game. He was a failed finance minister and a prime minister who did not praise being a failure (apart from the agreement with Lebanon), and by and large in your terms, he is a slanderer of slanderers. His presentation in general is as ’man damer’ It is embarrassing, and he does not understand that there is an oxymoron here (he can write a beautiful literary article about it, but that's it). Therefore, the attempt to present him, even implicitly, as some kind of alternative to something, is problematic in my opinion (of course, everything is in the eye of the beholder). With all the hatred for Bibi, Lapid simply does not play on the same field, not even as a novice player. He has never had an opinion on any issue, and he is only cynical (just like the explanation accepted in the sages for "the face of the generation is like the face of a dog that looks back to see what the public demands of him to do"), once with Kaplan and once with the hostages. It is a pity that the public is not smart enough to unequivocally cut him out of the game. So despite your criticism of him, the very fact of presenting him is the great sin. And on the issue of the reform of the judiciary, you did not reflect the dilemmas in a balanced way because of that point (to be sure, my personal view is that Bibi should go immediately after the war is over). Socrates would have required that Yair Lapid not answer his desk.
B. As I already wrote to you in one of the last columns, you are starting from a point of view – logical – that just as Bibi has been smearing us for twenty years, he will continue to smear us. Your expectations of the media are indeed excessive. But I have a feeling (and maybe it is pure naivety) that this time the public and the soldiers will not let it stop. Therefore, the more pressure Hamas really gets, the more it may allow (I have no guarantee of this) the release of hostages in exchange for saving a little of its honor, and then we will be forced to agree to the release of senior terrorists, perhaps even of the operators of the Nakh’bah, but we will not agree to an end to the war. I don't know, maybe deportation, maybe immunity for a very few, etc. You cannot know at this stage what the cards are, and even deportation is a card that should definitely be on the table (I agree that in practice it is unlikely that they will use it, which is a shame). Therefore, it is not a black and white matter of hostages or war.
There are about 15-20 mandates that think differently than you about Lapid. Therefore, to say that he is not on the field and does not constitute an alternative is ridiculous. This is regardless of your opinion and my opinion of him.
Hamas cannot agree to the release of hostages without an end to the fighting. This cannot happen. If we continue, it is going to be destroyed anyway, so why should it release prisoners halfway?
Sorry, I don't understand these kinds of responses. My personal opinion is certainly not relevant or interesting. But if I understood correctly, you are trying to do a kind of 'cleaning the table' and a kind of objectification of the discourse. So if there are 20 seats that still vote for Bibi or want to vote for Lapid, they are irrelevant, because we are not talking about the phenomenon per se, but about its justification.
When I reached the end of the article, I noticed the possibility of sharing, so I will allow myself to publish.
Best regards,
Yorem Bert.
Indeed. I answered you above that everything is intended for reading and I would be happy for any distribution.
On the 7th of Tevet 14th
Perhaps there is a situation for reaching a decision that means eliminating the Hamas government along with the release of all the hostages:
Once the takeover of Gaza is complete, and only the Hamas leaders who are entrenched and holding the hostages hostage remain, they will be given the choice: to fight 'until the last drop of blood', or to release the captives and go into exile.
It is likely that they would prefer to enjoy the pleasures of this world and the money they have stashed in Swiss accounts over 'martyrdom', and therefore they will release the hostages in exchange for their lives and freedom in exile.
The question could be: Will we have the strength and patience to fight until the complete isolation of the Hamas leaders? And this question is very difficult to answer.
Best regards, Fish”l
Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. I'm very afraid that we'll be floundering there for a long time, like in Lebanon, without any real progress.
Something has changed, though. This time, even the people of the working settlement, Gantz's natural ’base’, understand that this cannot continue. That it is impossible to return to the settlements that were destroyed without a real decision and solution.
Therefore, there is still support from the ’center’ for a military move that aspires to victory, and in the meantime, the government is resisting pressure, both from the Biden administration and from the ‘families of the kidnapped’, and continues the fighting.
Best regards, Fish”l
For information on the IDF's combat plans in Gaza, see Noam Amir's article, "The IDF's Combat Plans: Four Phases That Will Last Until the Summer," on the Makor Rishon website.
And regarding the proverb, "Plato is beloved, Socrates is beloved, but truth is beloved above all." This was preceded by Havat-Yair Valeri, Rabbi Zerchia Halevi, who quotes (in his introduction to the book "HaMaor") a similar saying by the grammarian Rabbi Yona Ibn Genach: "As the wise teacher Ibn Genach wrote in his response to the great teacher and grammarian Rabbi Yehuda [Hyuj] zl, he mentioned the words of the philosopher who responded to his master and said: Truth quarrels with Plato, and both of us love him, but truth is more beloved."
With best wishes, Fishel
There may be differences of opinion in the government on the question of priority in the tension between the collapse of Hamas and the release of the hostages.
In an article in Makor Rishon. Netanyahu is quoted as stating that the fighting will continue until Hamas is collapsed and the hostages are released.
In contrast, Gantz says, in another article, that he gives priority to the release of the hostages, since the struggle to eradicate Hamas will last a long time, but it is not certain that the hostages will have time left.
Best regards, Fishel
There is an article by a commentator ‘Here’ (in the ‘With Us in the Neighborhood’ series) that explains the Qataris' haste to expedite the hostage deal.
According to him, the Qataris are playing a double game. On the one hand, they are extremist Islamists and supporters of terrorism, and on the other hand, they are trying to maintain the image of a country allied with the West.
The massacre and kidnapping of civilians, which showed Hamas to be identical to ISIS – harms the ’fair image’ of the Qataris, and therefore they are expediting the hostage deal.
Even the collapse of the Hamas regime, which would join in curbing the ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ in Arab countries – could lead to Qatar's return to a state of political isolation. The success of the hostage deal – may, in their opinion, save their loyal allies in Hamas.
Indeed, Qatar is a disgusting country 🙂
Best regards, Fish”l
On the 16th of Tevet,
For the recommendation of Maj. Gen. (res.) Yitzhak Brik, see the article: ‘Move to the Encirclement and Attrition Phase – Now’, on the Channel 7 website
With best regards, Fish–l
In the 2nd of September 2017, it is worth noting that there are talks that, by raising them, actually reduce the chances of success.
The more eagerness is shown to carry out a hostage release deal, the other side raises the price.
And the more doubt is raised about the ability to eradicate Hamas, the greater its ability to withstand it.
It is not clear that time is working against us. There is indeed a fear that international pressure will increase and disappear, but on the other hand, there is a possibility that the upcoming elections in the US will return to power a government that is more sympathetic to us, making it easier for us to increase military pressure on Gaza.
Thought experiment: Imagine that under the Bennett government, Rachel had the terrible pogrom of October 7. Would Netanyahu have demanded to square the circle, return the hostages and collapse Hamas or not? Would he have demanded that Bennett resign? Take responsibility?
To me, the answer is absolutely clear.
Furthermore, doesn't Ben Gvir say and do things that are like squaring the circle just to hold onto his base? For example: “We will not put a drop of fuel into the Strip” and at the same time he says “We will defeat Hamas”. After all, we all know that in order to defeat Hamas (if that is indeed possible) a necessary condition for this is international legitimacy. And a necessary condition for international legitimacy is putting fuel into the Strip. So why does Ben Gvir want to square the circle?
Netanyahu didn't square the circle by saying that there would be both normalization and reform when Biden apparently made it clear to him that there was a squared circle here (that he had to choose either reform or normalization)? Netanyahu didn't dare criticize Levin even though he knew the prices the state was paying because he was afraid of the base (and without getting into his own personal position, which in my opinion has not wanted and does not believe in reform to this day, certainly not in its extreme form, which contradicts many of his past statements on the subject of decentralization of power).
In short, this is just another example of the notorious and widespread phenomenon of populism in our districts (and in my opinion the current government is the glory of populism incarnate). I don't see anything unusual in Lapid's behavior.
The problem with Lapid is that you're not sure he knows there's a contradiction in that. At least I like politicians who are both cynical and clever, rather than honest and superficial.
Someone superficial (weak-minded) cannot be honest because in the first place he will not know how to distinguish between straight and crooked. Lapid did corrupt things and he did not even realize he was doing them (when they talked about the resistance to the protests compared to the protests against the expulsion from Gush Katif)
Not allowing fuel to enter Hamas and defeating it is not a contradiction. On the contrary, an almost necessary condition for defeating Hamas is not allowing fuel to enter. The international arena is simply on Hamas's side and the fight against it is part of the fight against it. You are probably a student of Lapid.
The contradiction is only when we assume that all the goals must be fully realized. If the security of the residents of the encirclement increases by 90%, Hamas will be eliminated by 80% (meaning, it will become something on the order of Jihad) and the hostages will be released - in my opinion, the goals have been achieved. In my opinion, this is also clearly the intention of the government in these statements.
Regarding the next elections, it is doubtful whether there will be anyone to vote. I have no intention of voting for anyone who was Prime Minister, Minister of Defense or a senior officer in recent years, and I also have no intention of voting for people who do not represent my views. In the current constellation, this creates an empty group (unless Bibi is replaced by someone who has nothing to do with the failure).
You wrote that there are three goals: destroying Hamas, bringing about a situation where there is no threat to the encirclement, and returning the hostages, but you didn't talk about the second goal, even though it is actually the important goal.
Destroying Hamas is a (perhaps) necessary step in this goal, because Hamas in Gaza is a threat to the encirclement, and to the entire country.
Returning the important ones is important not only in itself, but because without it every Israeli would know that their lives are not important enough to politicians, and that the State of Israel will not do anything to save them. This is a huge rift in Israeli society.
But if it is possible to save the hostages and protect the encirclement without destroying Hamas (at least not right now), this is a much more important goal than this war.
And then you can fight in other ways, for example, economic and diplomatic strangulation, to which the “moderate” Arab countries will also join.
As a Jew and further reading, in the source on the second Lebanon (part 1 minute 21) Drucker brought Prime Minister Olmert's speech in the Knesset in which he set the return of the two kidnapped as the goal of the war. Then he interviews and asks Olmert why. And Olmert answers – We knew and said at the government meeting that there was no chance that military action would result in their return, but how could we not say that we demand their return? Later Olmert also says that he knew that one was definitely killed (“But I'm not saying that”).
Nice quote. Although the things seem obvious to me (I don't know what the prime minister thinks, but it's clear that even if any prime minister thinks the kidnapped should be abandoned, he can't say so. In any case, his statements are worthless and nothing can be learned from them), it's good to see things from the horse's mouth.
Although I strongly agree with the spirit of this column, I think there is something you did not make clear in your words.
The goals of war are not binary, and likewise a deal with Hamas does not have to include all the hostages. I think that if they release 95 percent of the hostages, it will definitely allow us to put a check mark next to the goal of returning the hostages.
You probably believe that it is not feasible for Hamas to agree to the release of most of the hostages without a complete halt to the campaign. I tend to think so myself, but it is impossible to ignore the fact that the previous deal proved that sometimes it is possible to reach arrangements with it for partial release in exchange for a temporary respite.
Apparently this is only possible up to a certain point, but the propagandists of the "kidnapped families" whom you accused of lying claim (rightly) that everything should be done (except a complete halt to the campaign) to make deals of this kind while they can be made.
I personally oppose any deal for other reasons. I think a deal harms the long-term security of the state and invites further kidnappings, which is a more important consideration. But I can certainly understand those who claim that additional prisoners can be extracted from Hamas through deals, without compromising on its destruction at the end of the road.
It seems to me that once you reach a number that allows you to see the mission of returning the kidnapped as if it had been accomplished, it means that this is a situation that Hamas is not willing to reach. That is why the contradiction is there. Partial arrangements can certainly be made, and I wrote about this in my previous columns.
By the way, I am not actually opposed to such deals, and the consideration of encouraging kidnappings seems secondary to me. I wish they had managed to make a deal even at the cost of stopping the fighting.
“The allegations of government dysfunction, which are of course real, are also very exaggerated, and seem to be a product of the above trend.”
Aren't you the one who claimed in response to the question that it is possible and appropriate to publicly humiliate government ministers because of their dysfunction?!
Indeed. What is the question? There is serious dysfunction, and yet the accusations were exaggerated and some of them were untrue.
In the article about the will of the late Ben Sussman, there is a quote of his opposition to an exchange transaction (at least in the written part, and perhaps a later addition).
My brother pointed this out to me, and I've already added note 1. See it there.
I just noticed the comment. (Can't delete the comment).
Releasing all the hostages does not go hand in hand with the continuation of the fighting.
Releasing some does go hand in hand - it is a fact that it happened.
There is a goal to release all the hostages and to collapse Hamas. Both goals will probably not be achieved. Let's hope that a high percentage of both will be achieved.
Hello, Honorable Rabbi,
In my humble opinion, the Rabbi's article ignores the fact that about 100 hostages were released in the previous Hudna, while it was clear that the fighting would continue, and it did continue.
That is, they succeeded in achieving two goals that the Rabbi claims are contradictory.
And who said they won't succeed now? Even if not to release all the hostages, perhaps to release some of them.
It is possible to say that the previous release was for women and children, and Hamas was interested in releasing them even at the cost of continuing the fighting (mainly image damage), but the previous Hudna proved that it is possible to advance two goals that Rabbi Ben claims are contradictory.
In my (non-professional) assessment, it is certainly possible that there will be additional rounds of releasing women, the elderly, the sick, etc., and Hamas will only release the soldiers and young people in exchange for a full ceasefire with guarantees (and then the goals will indeed be contradictory).
I would love to hear the Rabbi's response.
Daniel
This is completely clear. In the first column, I already wrote that a partial release is possible. The release of the kidnapped and not the kidnapped.
Although the minority opinion of the families of the kidnapped is important and courageous, it seems that the ’right’ has a certain light-heartedness, that if it thinks like that, everyone should think like that, and of course not.
As for responsibility, I argued one evening that I think the army is so guilty that it is difficult to see the government's direct responsibility for the omission, and my tank friends were really angry with me…
As for Lapid, he does aim to brainwash the average person, but to his credit, he warned several weeks before the massacre that we were heading for a disaster on the Gaza border
The mistake of the security and political system (and perhaps everyone else) that causes this contradiction is the thought that our war is with Hamas. But that is not true. Our war is with the people of Gaza. In the same way that our war with Iraq was with the Iraqis and not with the regime of Saddam Hussein (and just as the nuclear war, if it had broken out, would have been between the Americans and all the residents of the USSR and not just with members of the Communist Party). Therefore, there is no need to destroy Hamas, and it will not help either. After all, if we withdraw from the entire Strip now after destroying Hamas and return to the situation that existed before, a new government will rise there that will be exactly the same as Hamas. So the problem is with the people and not with the government.
Because that is the case, we need to take revenge on the people of Gaza anyway. Something like a few hundred thousand deaths. Not flattening Gaza. Killing people. And preferably without proportionality. That is what will create deterrence. Because proportionality is anti-deterrence. And in any case, the more we destroy, the more the people there will pressure the government until it overthrows it, and even if not every government and army need citizens to work for them, to provide them with food and tax money and goods and maintenance. Without citizens, there will be no army or government. Therefore, as the killing there increases, they will eventually beg us to take the hostages from them and to stop. And that will also be the indicator that revenge has been achieved.
The fact that we do not have international credit to do this is another thing. Maybe propaganda will help a little. We are constantly accused of genocide. So it is justified genocide. But at least people here will know what the truth is. Maybe if we are united around this, God will help us like He did in the Six Days
It is clear to anyone who sees the facts that as the pressure on Hamas increases, the deal to return the hostages is back on the table and at a better price
(If the IDF had not entered the Strip, probably not a single hostage would have returned)
As evidence, 100 hostages have already returned without a ceasefire, it is possible to reach a deal that is not zero or one (destroying Hamas without the hostages or returning all the hostages with a complete ceasefire). For example, the previous deal, a partial ceasefire with a reasonable ratio of terrorists in exchange for the hostages,
and thus achieving all the goals.
Where does the determination for an oxymoron come from??
On the other hand, claiming that we will first return all the hostages in exchange for a complete ceasefire (exposing all the cards and also wanting to win) and then defeat Hamas is a lie. As you explained.
Fighting while getting a better deal seems to me to be the right path for everyone (civilian and military security, and a better chance of freeing hostages, as Liebman claims).
Finally someone telling the truth. You must have read this column :):
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokra13728232
Shalom Rabbi
I want to ask:
1. Why are you doubtful if we will succeed in overthrowing Hamas?
2. Don't you think that this is a sure thing and that as soon as we defeat Hamas and bring it down to the ground, as a result of this, the kidnapped will return to us because those who held them have been overthrown?
1. Nowadays almost everyone understands and admits that it won't happen. When I wrote this there were still denials.
2. I explained that it was a secret order. If you kill everyone, the kidnapped will die with them. They have no reason to make a deal or keep them alive. Returning kidnapped people is only a deal, and a deal is made with someone you announce that you won't stop until you eliminate them. This is elementary logic, and it was explained here in the column
https://mobile.srugim.co.il/article/885650
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3635763
Continuing to discover America: https://news.walla.co.il/item/3636206
But some insist on continuing to live in the same mysterious movie: https://www.srugim.co.il/886612-%d7%94%d7%a6%d7%a0%d7%97%d7%a0%d7%99%d7%9d-%d7%9c%d7%9e%d7%92%d7%93-%d7%92%d7%93%d7%95%d7%93-71-%d7%9c%d7%90-%d7%9b%d7%9a-%d7%97%d7%95%d7%a0%d7%9b%d7%a0%d7%95-%d7%91%d7%a6%d7%94%d7%9c
Continued disillusionment: https://twitter.com/attilus/status/1746545675234402766
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokra13762680
Here it is clear that the definition of the two goals, despite the obvious contradiction between them, serves a political need:
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3645804
Hi Mikhi. You present the return of the hostages as a clear and absolute contradiction to the destruction of Hamas, and this is because Hamas would not release the hostages under other circumstances. I do not agree that this is an oxymoron, after all, Hamas released almost half of the hostages without stopping the war, and that is what Bibi and Shalit are relying on. That is, Hamas will understand that there is no way it will accept the cessation of the war, and while absorbing heavy losses, will agree to return them in exchange for a temporary respite that will allow it (in its opinion) to grow stronger. And perhaps in exchange for other agreements such as smuggling Hamas leaders abroad and the like, as the imagination allows. So yes, it is argued that one should not draw conclusions from the previous deal because it dealt with the release of women and children and not men and soldiers, and because there were still hostages, etc., etc., but this is nothing more than arguments and probabilities, and there is no oxymoron/intrinsic contradiction in the claim that an analogy should be drawn from the first deal, and in the belief that Hamas will at some point realize that there is no way the war will stop, and will at least try to rebuild its strength for the sake of continuation, or demand some concessions (such as the return of prisoners) as a form of "you've got a little bit of you've got it". I would appreciate your opinion on the matter.
I wrote my opinion. Didn't you read? There are always some distant possibilities. A contradiction in such contexts is not a logical contradiction but something that doesn't make sense.