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A Constitutional Moment, or: How Public Discourse Operates (Column 552)

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

In recent days, Micha Goodman has been speaking again about the significance of these times, pointing out that we are on the verge of a constitutional crisis, but that this moment also carries a very positive—even formative—potential because we are in what is called a “constitutional moment.” This phrase has taken hold in the last few days, and I have heard it in other contexts as well. I highly recommend listening to his talk on the matter. Truly enlightening, in my view, and what I write here follows from listening to him. I will refer quite a bit to my remarks in Column 548, and whenever I point to that column, this is what I mean.

How does public discourse operate?

I have written here before that in Israel there is no public discourse about anything. There are tribal shouting matches and yelling without listening, and people don’t really understand what is at stake—but that doesn’t stop them from holding firm views on the issues of the day. Positions dominate every discussion, and the opinions expressed are generally entirely predictable.

These days, I suddenly have the feeling that the situation is a little different. Most people are still not versed in the details of the reform and its ramifications, and that still doesn’t stop them from holding well-formed views—but without our noticing, a real conversation about it has begun.

One must understand that public discourse, when it does occur, unfolds in a very complex manner. The skirmishing in the streets, demonstrations, and the application of economic power (moving money and businesses abroad), media power, or other forms (including refusals by military personnel) are an integral part of the game. One can argue about the legitimacy of these dimensions—and typically you will hear formulaic, predictable positions here too—but note that until now this was the whole game, even if it played out at relatively low intensity (we didn’t see such threats and refusals in earlier cases). None of that is true these days. In parallel to the usual invective and inattention—and despite the rising intensity of power struggles—suddenly people are beginning to read up, to get a bit oriented, to exchange views and proposals (new “frameworks” are being published every day and brought into discussion). Suddenly you hear people expressing opinions about what Basic Laws are, how they are enacted, whether and how they permit invalidating statutes, what ought to be and what is, judicial appointments, the status of legal advisers, comparisons to other countries (usually not worth much, from all sides), and the like. What had been the domain of a handful of legal experts and elite journals has suddenly become present in the street and reached the “ordinary person.” Alongside all this, more systematic work is being done, and people are starting to offer reasoned views and even to argue on substance. In many cases this is not done directly, but even indirect debate and discussion are something. And of course, along with this, the tussling is beginning to escalate, and steps on both sides are becoming more extreme—up to fears for our continued existence. Thus the game of chicken I described in that column emerges. Yet in recent days there has been a change of direction. The application of force by both sides is making itself felt.

Suddenly you hear legal figures expressing a willingness to compromise—a partial reform, recognition of the need, motivations, and frustrations that led Levin and Rothman to take steps, and so forth (with criticism only about the speed and the details). These are tunes we had not heard until now. I have no doubt this would not be happening without the forcefulness and resolve of Levin and Rothman, even if that forcefulness is not justified in itself. And of course their openness would not have been possible without the power exerted by the various protesters (economic protests, refusals, and more). In my view, if Levin and Rothman, who set this process in motion, thereby made it possible for us to begin truly debating, they deserve a place of honor in the annals of history. Supporters of the reform ask these newly conciliatory voices: Where have you been until now?! Why have we not heard admissions that there are problems and that a reform is needed? And of course the inevitable comparisons (partly apt) to the Disengagement keep surfacing. Supporters of the reform suspect—and with some justice—that their opponents voice compromise only because they fear their side’s hand may now be the weaker. I think there is something to that; but “from not for its own sake comes for its own sake,” and if a genuine conversation has been created, for whatever reason, it is wrong not to join it.

For my part, I am quite convinced that the reform in its current form will not pass. The pressures—mainly economic, media-related, social (the unraveling of the army), and diplomatic—will ultimately defeat it, unless the present coalition is truly irresponsible and utterly tone-deaf. But in any case, it would be wrong to miss this moment, and it is important to make the most of the conversation now unfolding. In the column cited above I explained that this game of chicken can have several possible outcomes: one side wins, the other side wins, or both crash. At present, it seems the third result is likely to occur (the crash can be of varying degrees, of course: the state could be ruined, cease to be democratic, turn into a banana republic economically and/or morally, and so on). But I wrote there that there is another possibility: both sides come to their senses and realize this has no future, and reach a mutual agreement that is better for both (I compared this to the Prisoner’s Dilemma). That is also what Micha Goodman says in the remarks cited above: we are a moment before a constitutional crisis—or in a “constitutional moment,” a moment with the potential for rehabilitation and momentum.

Progress toward the “constitutional moment”

Micha Goodman argues that we are looking at the situation incorrectly. People commonly assume that there was a revolution in recent decades carried out by the Supreme Court, which took into its own hands too much power without having truly received it from the Knesset (which did not legislate the basis for its activity) or from the public (it is unelected), and that now Yariv Levin and Rothman are carrying out a reverse revolution intended to restore balance. The problem with their approach is that they are taking it to the opposite extreme and will bring us to a situation in which there are no real constraints on the executive branch’s power. In any case, the prevalent view is that there is an attempt to balance and correct what Aharon Barak and his cohort did in the past, and the debate is whether we are returning to the middle path or moving to an opposite extreme. Many claim that the attempt to reach the opposite extreme (the forcefulness of Levin and Rothman) is what will bring us to the middle path, in the well-known approach of Aristotle and Maimonides.

Goodman contends that this is not the right way to look at it. To explain, he prefaces with the distinction between a conversation within the framework of the game and a conversation about the framework itself. Almost all debates—in Israel and elsewhere—deal with policy, security, religion and state, economics, ideology, morality, etc. All these discussions take place within a given framework that is not itself being discussed. To what may this be compared? To a debate among basketball fans about the proper tactics: whether to attack from here or there, inside the paint or outside, how many bigs and how many guards to use, and so forth. Fans do not usually argue about questions such as the basket’s height or the ball’s weight, whether a foul should mean two free throws or three or perhaps one, and so on. Those are the rules that set the framework, and the ordinary debates happen within them. So too in politics. Until now, there were stormy debates on ideological, moral, and various political and security questions, and they took place as though we had a fixed and known framework within which this discourse could be conducted. What is new these days is that, for the first time, Israel is having a debate about the rules of the game themselves. When the game of basketball runs into a crisis and it turns out that the framework is problematic, then too debates can begin about the rules themselves. This is what leads us to the “constitutional moment.”

Logic dictates that before we enter questions of what the court ought to do and the extent of its intervention, and how the government ought to act (in policy, religion, security, values), we must first settle the framework rules: what the government or the court are authorized to do, and how relations between them should operate. Only after that is settled can we conduct the more substantive debates about content, policy, and values.

Goodman’s claim is that in most democratic countries, when they arose, their first step was to establish a constituent body tasked with drafting a constitution. That is the setting of the rules of the game. Afterward—once the framework exists and is defined—this body is supposed to disperse and hold elections to the legislature and other institutions, and now that the framework exists, the democratic game can begin. In Israel, as is well known, after the War of Independence there were elections to a Constituent Assembly that was supposed to draft a constitution and then disperse and hold elections to the legislative and executive branches. But the constituent body failed to reach agreements and did not create a constitution, and in the end decided to skip that stage and turn itself into a legislative body. The upshot is that they—and we—began to play the game without setting its rules.

On the face of it, this is an absurd situation that should not be workable. Think about a group of people discussing how to define a game and deciding to start playing it without defining its rules. Odd, no? Amazingly, it sort of worked. With a bit of dictatorship and Ben-Gurion’s dominance, followed by the Histadrut and the Labor movement in its variations, but overall it worked. Institutions were established, debates were held, there was even some legal and political review, and the proof is that after almost thirty years of absolute dominance, Mapai’s rule changed hands. In other words, a kind of democracy did emerge.

Yet throughout this entire period, breathing down our necks was the vacuum at the foundation of this whole game. Its rules were not settled. From time to time the issue surfaced, usually at rather low intensity, but it was never truly addressed. At some point the court saw that there was a vacuum in terms of the rules of the game and had to make decisions—and in doing so allowed itself to set some of these rules on its own. This should not surprise us, since the game must be played, and when there are no rules someone has to jump in and fill the void. Otherwise—how shall we play?! The Knesset insisted on not advancing a constitution and on not creating a framework, and repeatedly evaded the challenges the court set before it. Amazingly, that too worked for a while. From time to time there were protests and calls to fix and balance the situation, but overall they did not ripen into genuine civil disobedience. True, a great deal of frustration accumulated, mainly on the religious-right side, but that did not lead it to heed the calls—usually from the left—to establish a constitution. That situation suited it; it preferred to dance at two weddings: keep things as they are while crying foul at the court. Note that even during the right’s long years in power, the rules were not shattered and no one tried to carry out a counter-revolution or clip the court’s wings. Compliance with Supreme Court decisions was almost total.

An exceptional case occurred exactly three years ago, when Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein, a rather statesmanlike figure, came almost to the brink and announced that his conscience would not allow him to carry out the High Court of Justice’s ruling. The sense of a game of chicken then took on flesh and bone. Ayelet Shaked and Gideon Sa’ar—two conservative justice ministers opposed to Supreme Court activism—made rather cosmetic changes, accompanied by considerable frustration among their supporters that they were not truly changing the situation. All along, the rules of the game (those created de facto by the court) remained roughly as they were.

In recent months this situation changed at a stroke. In the last term, the members of the executive and legislative branches (the latter not truly existing here) decided to take the initiative into their own hands and put an end to this strange state of affairs. They want to set, at long last, the rules of the game. The problem is that for much of the public their determinations are seen as too extreme and too hasty, and the dialogue that such a step requires is lacking. Beyond that, tentative rules have already arisen that vested power in various institutions and actors, so setting rules of the game is now perceived as changing existing rules (which is not quite accurate; in essence, this is now more a setting of rules than a change to them). No wonder this arouses protests, turmoil, and disagreement. Collisions are now beginning, escalating rather quickly, but alongside them a conversation is also stirring, as I described above.

Goodman argues that these days we are in fact re-establishing the constituent authority and the constitution; that is, setting the rules of the game that were missing from our play until now. This is the completion of the state’s founding (and not necessarily the beginning of its end). Of course, that is only if we are wise enough to reach agreement in the game of chicken we are in; otherwise we are on the road to ruin. The question is whether we will reach a constitutional crisis, or recognize that a constitutional moment has arisen and should be seized. In short, his claim is that this is not a “counter-revolution” trying to correct Barak’s revolution, but a belated establishment of the rules of the game—filling the vacuum that Aharon Barak and his colleagues tried to fill in problematic ways—so that the debate and conversation that were missing before Barak made his decisions are being held now. It is not a reversal, but a late framing of the rules of the game.

As I explained, the mutual battering and pounding we are witnessing these days are how a mass, healthy public discourse unfolds. There is no other way to conduct a conversation about the rules of the game themselves—certainly not when we are no longer truly at the beginning of the road. It has now become clear to all of us that we must decide whether we are interested in a shared game or in breaking up the team. It follows that this conversation cannot be conducted only by representatives or through existing political institutions. What is at issue is the role and meaning of those institutions, and fundamentally the people themselves must speak. Representation itself is under discussion, and it is no wonder we have returned to decisions in the town square, as in Athenian democracy.

The character of the debate

Note that in this conversation there is no significance to majority and minority, for as I explained in the column cited (and as I will elaborate in the next column), there is no validity to majority decisions and no obligation on the minority to accept them so long as we all have not agreed to play a shared game. For the same reason, what determines in the present discussion is not merely the majority of voters’ raised hands, since majority rule is itself one of the framework rules we have not truly created. Entering this primordial, foundational debate are also economic, media, and cultural power, various value disputes—and it has no very clear rules. All sides deviate from the rules, since this dispute itself reflects the fact that we do not really have rules.

Above I explained: that is how public discourse operates. Such discourse is not decided by a Knesset vote, since voting is a method grounded in the rules of the game. We are now debating whether there is a game at all, whether it is viable, what its rules will be, and who is prepared to participate in it under those rules. Therefore, businesspeople and high-tech companies moving their money as political protest are taking a perfectly legitimate step. Even soldiers’ refusals—problematic as they are—are not utterly illegitimate in such a situation. This is part of the power struggle accompanying the substantive discourse. Each side clarifies for the others what the costs will be if their views are disregarded. The opposition tells the coalition: True, you are the majority, but note the economic price you will pay for using that majority in a non-consensual way. So too do soldiers and commanders in the army tell us.

It is worth recalling that even in halakhah there is a dispute whether we follow a majority of wisdom or a majority of people, and we have a similar dispute here: is majority rule the majority of citizens, or must we also consider the majority of economic, military, and social power? It is no accident that the United States has a veto in the Security Council and we do not. When a crisis erupts in the world, the entity sending money or an army to resolve it is not the State of Israel but the United States. Economic actors and high-tech professionals bear most of the country’s economic burden, and it is no wonder their voice has significant weight. Claims about equality among voters and votes can be raised after the game and its rules have crystallized, but not while we are discussing its viability and rules. Power has justified significance in a debate about the rules of the game, and biases in its favor are not an injustice.

No wonder the arguments in this debate are accompanied by the application of force by both sides: on the coalition’s side, political power; on the opposition’s side, economic, media, and social power. There are very few inhibitions in this struggle, but that does not mean it is not proceeding properly. This is a debate about our very foundation here—about the framework of discussion—and as such it is bound to be forceful and tough. It only means we have a healthy society (at least as long as it still exists). The question is whether in the end a golden calf will be born—only to be smashed—or a shared democratic game will be reborn and refounded now (in place of what the Constituent Assembly should have done at the state’s dawn). In my view, the odds are that the state will not be destroyed (though that is possible), and there is also a decent chance that it will not only survive but even advance. That brings us to what Goodman calls a “constitutional moment.”

How to arrive at a proper birth: the “constitutional moment”

In the game of chicken we are in, two outcomes are possible: a constitutional crisis or a constitutional moment. I described the constitutional crisis in the column above: the Knesset legislates, the court annuls, and now police, soldiers, and citizens are bewildered whom to obey. The important question now is: how can something positive emerge from this? How can this moment be turned into a “constitutional moment”?

Goodman argues that three main conditions must be met: 1) public awareness and sensitivity to the formative nature of this moment—and that certainly exists today; 2) the constitution that emerges must be clear (otherwise anarchy and inter-branch conflict will continue); 3) there must be broad agreement regarding its principles (the rules of the game). The main problem is, of course, item 3: agreement. Seemingly, we lack agreement about the rules of the game, and thus there appears to be no horizon for the current discussion.

You will likely be surprised by what I write here, but in my view we have more or less already reached such an agreement. Agreement about the rules of the game very much exists—despite the turmoil, and perhaps because of it. To understand this, we must distinguish between two parts of the constitutional structure: arrangements and content.

Where is the dispute?

What prevented the drafting of a constitution at the state’s outset was disagreement on the value plane (mainly religious). I am not sure whether the situation today is worse or better (surprisingly, I think it is better), but some Basic Laws were created then that deal mainly with arrangements (Basic Law: The Government, the Knesset, The Judiciary, The President, etc.). In the 1990s, two more Basic Laws were created—this time touching on content (Freedom of Occupation and Human Dignity and Liberty). This reflects the fact that a state’s constitution has two foundations: fundamental values and the rules of the game (the constitutional arrangements). The two latter Basic Laws were adopted with broad agreement in the Knesset and in society (religious parties feared possible harm, but they fully agreed with the values expressed in these laws and therefore ultimately supported them).

Regarding the constitution’s value-content part, the situation is not as bad as it seems. The main debates to this day have focused on the relationship between the “Jewish” and the “democratic,” and perhaps even more on the content of “Jewish” in that pairing. In my estimation, regarding the meaning of the “democratic” in that pairing, almost everyone agrees that this is the proper and fitting framework. There are no significant disputes there (including among Haredim and hardline religious-Zionists). The religious fear is of the “democratic” injuring the “Jewish” (particularly via the court, which is why the court’s composition matters so much to them).

Note that the current struggle’s focus is not value content (which, as noted, has crystallized and is more consensual than in the past), but the parts dealing with constitutional arrangements. If we now focus on filling these gaps—that is, completing the constitutional arrangements while ignoring content disputes—we can escape the present conflict and move forward. That is also what the President proposed. At the first stage we must agree on Basic Law: Legislation and Basic Law: The Judiciary, and only afterward discuss the reform’s details. We cannot discuss the court’s relationship to Basic Laws before defining what a Basic Law is and turning it into a law with a distinct status (through a different, much more stable legislative process). The initial arrangement requires formulating laws that will determine how a Basic Law is enacted, what it does (whether it invalidates statutes and by whom and how), and how the legislature may respond (override) to such invalidation.

My claim is that even regarding the constitutional-arrangement rules—those now at the center of contention—there is, in my estimation, quite broad agreement both in the public and among experts. Incidentally, this has happened largely thanks to the ongoing skirmish that has succeeded in sparking substantive discussion and the presentation of arguments from all sides. I will now try to persuade you that despite the noise and commotion, today the disputes about constitutional arrangements (the “reform”) are really marginal.

The agreement

To see why I perceive broad public agreement, consider for example the ad signed by the 120 professors who support the reform, as published a few days ago:

When you examine this ad you will see that they are not supporting the reform (as a fixed package), but a reform (as a general idea). They call for dialogue and a mutually agreed text. Some even gave interviews, and with my own ears I heard several signatories say they have reservations about Levin and Rothman’s formulations (such as Ron Shapira, Israel Aumann, and others), but they support the need for reform. Today I was sent quotes from my friend Prof. Moshe Koppel, founder and president of the Kohelet Policy Forum, who himself says he does not want the entire reform as it is currently sketched. I too would sign such a petition.

By contrast, take petitions and ads from those opposing the reform (a survey is here, and see also here and here) and try to assess what they say. You will find that most claim that in its current formulation the reform will bring ruin and disastrous results. That is, there too most do not reject the need for reform or deny the existing problems in the balance among branches (the lack of agreed rules of the game), but say that in the details Levin and Rothman go too far. [I will add parenthetically that in my impression a significant portion of Likud members themselves agree that the reform must be moderated, and without coalition discipline there is no chance the reform could pass. The extreme formulations are the result of Levin and Rothman’s obstinacy, and those two are leading the entire move—to the chagrin of many of their colleagues (as has begun to spill into the open in recent days). It is not reasonable to frame agreed rules of the game by virtue of the power wielded by two Knesset members.]

If we return to the petitions on both sides, the media present them as two extreme poles: these are “for the judicial reform” and those “against the regime coup.” The feeling is that there is no way to bridge such a deep chasm—a true game of chicken. But if you read carefully and note my comments, you will see that while the dispute may be heated, it actually lacks real substance. It turns out that even among the petition signatories—supposedly belonging to the debate’s poles—there is very broad (if not complete) agreement that a reform is needed, and conversely there is also very broad (if not complete) agreement that the present draft is extreme. So what is the dispute really about? Nuances—how to phrase this clause or that.

When you hear media interviews with someone supporting the reform, he always explains why it is necessary. He points to the flaws and problems requiring correction—but you will hardly hear from him about the dangers in the proposed solutions. In interviews with those opposing the reform, you will hear about the dangers in the proposed solutions—but never about the problems that led to it. This is a dialogue of the deaf, since it shows that the two sides are not actually arguing: one focuses on the problems and the need for reform, the other on the problems in the solutions and the dangers of the proposed reform. The conclusion is that everyone agrees a reform is needed and the current draft is dangerous and problematic. All that remains are disputes over details.

I do not belittle the details, but they do not reflect a dispute over the reform as such—or even over the need for it. Moreover, in a dispute over details, there can be shouting on both sides. Someone who supports reform can be more extreme in his demands to moderate it and in pointing out its problems—at least in some respects—than someone who opposes it. In short, the entire map presented to us is distorted. Be that as it may, we can see that this is no longer necessarily a war for home or democracy but about nuances concerning proper balances. Those at the extremes—the absolute supporter and the total opponent—are a negligible minority in the public and even among experts. Furthermore, I have written here more than once that one cannot argue about a single item from the reform in isolation. We must examine the entire structure, because every part affects all the others. Beyond that, there can indeed be several different constitutional designs that achieve the proper balances among the branches.

It is no wonder, then, that if you pay attention you will see that more than the content, the arguments now deal mainly with the form of discourse: whether to stop the legislation during talks; whether the talks should be held in the Constitution Committee or in some other format. These are technical rather than substantive matters, and at the moment they seem to be what is blocking the conversation, even though everyone has already admitted it is necessary. This too indicates that there is fairly broad agreement on the structure and framework as such. Even if someone thinks the override clause should require 61 or 70, and another thinks 75 MKs are needed, this is essentially a nuance. So too with the dispute about the majority required in the court to strike down a law: should it be 12 out of 15, 80% of any panel, or even a simple majority—these too are technical debates, not highly substantive, and certainly not the ruin of democracy or the state. In each such item there are extreme formulations that really do pose a risk, but in my impression most actors on both sides already understand this well—and they are not there. This is certainly the state of the public. Time and again it becomes clear to me that there is fairly broad agreement here that the matter requires arrangements, and even what the problematic points are that require arranging, and in what directions. The rest is a matter for negotiation, as in any other political issue. There is no deep dispute about essence; the matter is simply stuck. Incidentally, for this reason I estimate that this issue will, in the end, be resolved.

Note that a debate over details can only be conducted among experts—and even there, only among those who have delved into the issues at hand. Ordinary citizens—or experts who have not gone deep—do not truly have a formed position on what majority is required for an override clause, or the composition of the Judicial Appointments Committee for lower courts or the Supreme Court, or the majority required in the court to invalidate a law. The overwhelming majority have not examined these matters in depth and certainly have not formed a comprehensive constitutional picture. As noted, the arguments reflect opposing sentiments rather than formed positions. In the column cited I pointed out that this is also the case among opposition politicians. Unlike Levin and Rothman, the opposition’s leaders have been careful, for a long time, not to present any formed position about the reform—neither about the problems nor about the solutions. In my view, that is because they don’t have one. This is one reason it is so difficult to engage them in dialogue and discussion.

Thus, the disputes among politicians and in the wider public (as distinct from a very small minority that has done and is doing systematic work) mainly express opposing sentiments rather than truly different positions. This is evident in the petitions cited above, which reflect primarily a difference in sentiment, not a substantive disagreement—except for technical debates over details. The third condition for a “constitutional moment”—public agreement—also exists, in my view. Therefore, I think there is a good chance that ultimately the process will reach some reasonable solution acceptable to the sides.

Seemingly, this is a rather optimistic picture. I will conclude nonetheless with two not-unrelated aspects that somewhat dampen our optimism.

A. Between practice and sentiment/consciousness

I explained that the condition of agreement exists today—at least regarding constitutional arrangements (and to a not insignificant extent also regarding the constitution’s substantive content). There is thus no bar to turning this very moment from a constitutional crisis into a “constitutional moment.” If we do not do so, we will all smash into the wall at the end of this game of chicken. That will be the result of folly and irresponsibility, and chiefly of misunderstanding—not of substantive disagreements. It will happen if sentiment (which reflects polarized differences) eclipses substance (where there are no significant differences). Such a thing can indeed occur. Disputes grounded in sentiments without real substantive basis can indeed carry us to the abyss.

I have already written that I am an optimist. In my estimation, what will ultimately happen is that we will reach a more or less agreed compromise, and in my view it will not be far from what common sense dictates. In the end, substance will overcome sentiment, and slogans will lose to truth. This will not happen despite the power struggles in all the arenas I described—social, diplomatic, economic, military, and political—but because of them. So too it should be.

But here a new problem may arise—somewhat the reverse. If and when we reach that desired result, both sides may ask whether the compromise reached at the end of the process is a victory or a defeat. I fear that because of the opposing sentiments that drive us to extremes, both sides will see the result as a loss and a disaster for them (either the ruin of democracy or the ruin of governability), even though in practice neither will occur. In such a case, the outcome we achieved may be good and proper in itself, but it will not stop or prevent the social rupture and the clash already occurring. There will be a virtual smash-up in a game of chicken that is not taking place in the real world at all but in people’s and groups’ consciousness. If sentiment prevails over substance, then the victory achieved on the substantive plane will sink on the plane of consciousness. Our society may be deeply cracked by the sense on both sides that they lost (these will think there is no governability; those will think there is no democracy), even if this occurs only in the realm of perception.

B. Back again to integrity

In the column cited, I noted that beyond the rules of the game there is a no less important—and perhaps more important—foundation of democracy: the players’ quality and their good intentions. I showed there that without integrity and proper conduct by all players on the field, no system of rules, however perfect, will help. If so, the conclusion from what I have written here is less optimistic than it seems. Perhaps the problems about the rules of the game will be resolved by some agreement, but that will not necessarily solve the real problem, rooted in the lack of trust between the sides regarding their intentions and integrity. At present, there is no trust between the sides that they can even play a fair game according to the rules set, and in light of what has happened so far this distrust is quite justified. If democracy requires a balanced, rational system of rules and integrity, then solving the framework and constitutional-arrangement issues will not necessarily save our democracy.

I do not know how to solve this problem. I noted there that real-life problems cannot be solved by changing rules. A genuine solution requires a new social covenant, not merely setting the rules of the game. We must attain trust among the players and a fairer way for them to play—and here there is already a deep crisis of distrust. Sadly, this is a matter for a psychologist, not for a philosopher or a jurist. Which brings me to the somewhat pessimistic ending of this ostensibly optimistic column.

The most famous sentence in Wittgenstein’s Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus is its concluding one: “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.” I wanted to end here with the book’s second-most famous sentence, which appears at the end of its preface:

It seems to me that the truth of the thoughts here presented is unassailable and definitive. Accordingly, I believe I have, in essentials, solved the problems finally. And if this is so, then the value of this work consists in showing how little is accomplished when these problems are solved.

Setting aside the hubris, the feeling he describes often washes over me too. While I am not entirely convinced that I always solve every problem completely—and certainly not absolutely—my sense is that I often have a not-bad solution for them. But at the same time, human beings (not me—the others) repeatedly reveal themselves to be irritating creatures full of frailties, and these prevent them from behaving intelligently and rationally, even in cases where the right course is clear (see Column 218 and 236). Who will grant me, in the wilderness, an Asperger’s inn…


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  1. (“There is no validity to the decisions of the majority and there is no obligation on the minority to accept them, as long as we do not all agree to play a common game”. I will mention this here https://mikyab.net/posts/66635 and for discussion there.)

  2. “Equality is only after agreement on rules” . And before that, there is no substantive equality? That is, the owner of the century is the owner of the opinion (essentially)? Absolutely fine. Free market. But what does the owner of the century want to do? What power does he want to keep for himself? What god does he worship? The god of equality, of course. Equality for Arabs in rights even though they have no debts and for some reason the ultra-Orthodox do not (the differences in budgeting are almost equal (according to a report I saw) and the Arabs also contribute to crime, i.e. anti-donors). After all, this is really the heart of the matter (ultra-Orthodox or Arabs. The state of the Jews versus the state of all its citizens). So the whole story about equality is actually one big manipulation. If there is inequality and there is greater value for the rich and educated, I demand that there also be such a difference in the ratio between Jews and Arabs (which in general Jews are more developed than Arabs). For some reason, affirmative action is only against right-wing and religious Jews and not against leftists (there it is called political appointments that are justified even without “affirmative action”). There, for some reason, there is suddenly a hierarchy. This duality is unbearable. But for some reason you didn't notice it. So either the man of the century is a big fool or he is a fraud. So what is the other side supposed to do? I really don't know. I have no solution. The left, in general, is opaque and manipulative, as you saw for yourself. (Without apparently being aware of it. Like Aharon Barak). With opaqueness, one deals with counter-opacity and counter-manipulation (like the Haredim) or with disengagement. Both options will be difficult because the right has not yet achieved economic and political independence (the left also contributed quite a bit to this by constantly promoting its people to public positions in the army, etc.). But what is the price of independence? The left simply wants to enslave us to this god of equality. The amount of contradictions, paradoxes, and injustice that accompany this god's religion could fill a new series of books by Ephraim Kishon. Will the left be willing to accept that we are allowed to think that it is permissible to prefer Jews over Arabs? That is really the depth of the matter. My problem with the high-techists is not spending the money but with the desire to threaten us. The desire that we will need them anyway. But it is enslavement. How long can we be enslaved? Forever? Will we never grow up?

    To the contrary, I think we should separate, but slowly and safely. Not in one fell swoop. As a first step, dismantle the IDF and establish a collection of militias (like during the underground period), each of which will protect the settlements that will be mobilized for it and will respect each other. And none of which will fight the other (like the Sazon and Altalena). That is a first step. It has already happened in the past. This will be security independence. Slowly, the right (the people who are not ashamed to be nationalists) will achieve economic independence and then we can say goodbye with honor (this was my plan with the Haredim in the past, but then I realized that I had not grasped the reality that the left lives in. It changed the rules of the game).

  3. Good luck.

    Two comments –

    1 – Did I understand correctly that you wrote that the two Basic Laws from the 1990s passed with broad consensus? I think one passed with thirty-two Knesset members voting for it and the other with less than that. Do you mean that most of those who abstained from voting still supported it?

    2 – The American Ashkenazi in me can't help but remark that there should be a sliver under the house, not an opening. 😀

      1. It is impossible today to write a constitution out of blindness to the demographic reality in which the Haredi are growing. This is a reality that did not exist when the state was founded. No non-Haredi person can live under Haredi rule. Therefore, we must ensure that there is a federal democracy based on cantons, in which the cantons have veto power and nothing at the federal level occurs without broad consent.

    1. 2 – And the Yemenite in my captivity cannot help but remark in addition that there should be an insect under the house in the second option and not in vain, and the insect in vain is Noah. 😀

      1. [Shachar, because you think that a reform is punctuated with a ’ in vain, and then it will be like there will be lights in the firmament of heaven. But a reform is probably punctuated with a ’ in the axis, and then it will be like in the beginning God created it]

  4. There are two groups that are not large but have considerable political power that cannot live with compromises that would leave the democratic balance intact.
    The Haredim are not interested in equality. They do not want to enlist and they are interested in money without an equal contribution to the public purse.
    The second group are the extremist settlers who are interested in controlling the Palestinians and giving them second-class citizenship.
    If the first group, we have learned to live with gritted teeth.
    Regarding the second group, I cannot see anyone who is truly democrat who can live with the reality of apartheid. Any compromise that does not give Smotritz the opportunity to do whatever he wants in the territories will be a loss for him.
    I have every hope that the sane majority will win, but I find it difficult to see it working out politically.

    1. So much nonsense in one comment.
      Sounds like another paid commenter from the New Fund.
      They are flooding with comments funded by foreign governments.

  5. Where can I read a readable summary of the sages' discussion about the majority of wisdom or the majority of people?

  6. The professors who signed the petition in support of legal reform did a good job when they presented one hundred and twenty names in their petition. How beautiful is this typological number, for it contains the blessing of longevity, and what is more, it hints at the people's election of their representatives in the Israeli Knesset. The honorable signatories are no less than the true electors of the people who chose them.
    The issue of legal reform is the correction of the relations between the three branches of government in Israel. The very idea of the separation of powers comes from the school of the French Gentile Montesquieu in the eighteenth century. On the surface, it seems that the discussion of reform is rooted entirely in the political thinking of the modern era. However, a look at the list of names, some of which are well known in the Israeli public, shows that there is a high correlation between the list and religiosity. The question arises as to what a political and political discussion with roots that are three hundred years old has to do with the true religion that is thousands of years old.

    We may find the answer if we draw lines for the most important figure on the distinguished list: Nobel Prize winner in Economics, Professor Israel Omen. In 2008, Omen joined the Achish (Land, Society, Judaism) party led by Efi Eitam. Omen also gave many interviews about the new party and recommended that the public support it. He probably knew what Efi Eitam's views were on various issues and it is likely that he identified with these views.
    Here is a taste of Eitam's views as he presented them in an interview he gave to Ben Caspit (Ma'ariv 15.9.2006.)

    (Etam) In order to overwhelm a country and exact a price from it so that it will do everything to stop the fire or surrender, it is necessary to harm its three components: the government, the physical infrastructure - water, electricity and fuel - and its people, i.e. the citizens.
    (Kespit) Just kill civilians?
    “(Eitam) Yes. That should be the equation and there is no other way. It is cruel, it is cold, but that is what it is.
    (Kespit) What is harming the civilian population, killing tens of thousands of civilians?
    “(Eitam) It could be yes.”

    Interesting, although less murderous, proposals were made by Eitam regarding the removal of Arabs from the Knesset and the expulsion of Arabs from the occupied territories. Judge Mazuz ruled that these statements by Eitam are a criminal offense. This criminal who proposes to act in ways that are crimes against humanity was vigorously supported by Prof.’ Oman. He also explained on several occasions that in a war between peoples, the distinction between soldiers and civilians is blurred. The civilians are the enemy and therefore do not deserve special protection.

    Prof.’ Omen often presents his views as conclusions derived from game theory, which is his field of expertise. Laypeople, who cannot even understand the titles of Omen's articles, may be deeply impressed by the views of a scientist. However, private interviews with some of his research colleagues indicate that presenting his views, which are sometimes as murderous as Eitam's, as a conclusion from theoretical analyses of game theory is fraud and plagiarism.

    Is there a connection between Omen's religiosity and his support for politicians who propose crimes against humanity as a desirable course of action? It seems so. Omen has a great interest in the Bible, the foundation of the Jewish religion. His belief in the Bible is probably Omen's belief that characterizes the German Orthodoxy from which his family came. Since this is the case, it is worth recalling the following simple fact. The solution offered by the Bible to demographic problems that are remarkably similar to those facing the State of Israel is simple: genocide. This term was coined by a Jewish jurist, Lemkin, at the end of World War II, but the idea that it is possible to destroy nations or large groups of people, and that it is not only necessary and moral to do so, is biblical. This is the modest contribution of the Bible, which is common in the world's books, to the cultures that were influenced by it. Nowadays, there is an understandable difficulty in expressing such ideas publicly. But as we have seen, Efi Eitam certainly understands the need to be cruel, or in his words, "it is what it is." It is not surprising that Prof. Oeman recommends it to the religious voter.

    One of the barriers facing this holy murderousness in the State of Israel is the Supreme Court. It does tend to accept land grabbing and the ongoing oppression of Arabs, using legal jargon and absurd security justifications. But even in these matters, the court occasionally displays a certain innocence that is unacceptable to those parts of religious Zionism that have a divine right to the land. It is reasonable to assume that such a court would not permit crimes against humanity, say the Smotrich-style erasure of villages. Therefore, there is an urgent need to appoint judges to the court who also believe that the land between the sea and the Jordan is ours, or as the first sentence of the current government's basic guidelines document states:

    The Jewish people have an exclusive and inalienable right to all parts of the Land of Israel. The government will promote and develop settlement in all parts of the Land of Israel – in the Galilee, the Negev, the Golan, Judea and Samaria. (Basic Guidelines of the 37th Government).

    And no more, but when they elect worthy judges, they will discuss only human rights, that is, the rights of those who have the right to vote. Erasing villages is ultimately a matter of policy, not human rights, and therefore the court worthy of the people will withdraw its hands from it.
    Indeed, legal reform is most worthy of its God-fearing supporters, and they too are worthy of it.

    1. Sorry. But these are brain fogs. There is no murder here. This is an entire people who want to eliminate you. So if necessary, we will eliminate it. What do you think you are, genocide, and this is a magic word that our scoundrels are supposed to mumble into submission? Will you threaten not to give intellectual approval and then people will think differently? In the meantime, the only murder I see is on the part of the Arabs (who also murder each other. It seems that the only thing that unites them is murder against Jews)
      I simply do not understand you. The things I am saying are that the simple and honest mind of every person on the planet and every country would act like this. It is not biblical, it is human. The Bible reflected a reality that existed even without it. And still exists. The British killed 70,000 Germans in the bombings of Dresden at the end of World War II. Did they also commit crimes against humanity? Should they be put on trial? What nonsense. And with what confidence are they said. If an entire people were to threaten the existence of another people, they have the right to eliminate the people if necessary (and morally even if not necessary). Are we supposed to be impressed by the masses of people? Are we supposed to kneel and bow down?

      And in this, suddenly, the Jews are different? And what other crime against humanity is there here? You probably don't know what the term crime means. Humanity is not a society that has united under one law. If tomorrow Russia decides to end the war, then they will stop boycotting it. The main thing is that it stops. It will not stand trial. If Germany did not stand trial (and they helped it to rebuild itself after the war), then of course Russia will not.

      The morality you present, sorry, is a righteous bluff. Religious people do not need feathers (or peacock tails) of this kind. They already have other feathers

      1. Thank you for your response B.

        It illustrates my point well. Religious people, not all of them, but many of them, have their own feathers. And what is more, they are proud of their feathers. And what do these feathers say? We are the best in the world because we hold the true religion. And what does this religion say? That we must destroy the one whose country we come to inherit. Very plain and simple. All the threats to our existence that you mention are empty words that only someone who is ignorant of history and brainwashed is likely to believe in. In the end, “not a soul will live” does not stem from the threat of our destruction. You wonderfully embody holy murderousness.

        1. Well. This is already a land for its own sake. Not a single soul will live, this in relation to the seven peoples of Canaan who honestly earned this commandment. And not because of an existential threat. And they were also given the opportunity to flee from here before entering the land.
          And everyone who shows mercy to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful (I remind you that they sacrificed their sons and daughters to their gods). So I really recommend that you think again because apparently according to your words you are a candidate to commit the murder of a Jew at some point

          Besides, if you think that there is no threat to our existence, then you need to see a psychiatrist (that's not an insult. Really)

          1. My dear,

            I admire your every answer. Indeed, the sages did not like what they read in the Book of Deuteronomy and did much to eradicate biblical murder. Since you are probably a serious scholar, you do not need my references to the sources of the sages. I am not sure that you are able to understand the complexity of Jewish history and the relationship between the Bible and the sages. In any case, these biblical ideas have permeated the entire culture that was based on the Bible without the filters of the blessed interpretation of the sages.

            I will definitely think again when such a proposal comes from someone who is a potential murderer by his own admission, and perhaps not only a potential one.

            There is of course no need to involve Rabbi Avraham in the exchange between us, which is really not that decent because, as they say, “it is not strength.” But you can ask him in private. From what I know of him, he is much closer in my opinion than you are in everything related to understanding Judaism. Although I don't know you and it is possible that in your opinion Rabbi Avraham is also from the land.

            1. No. It has nothing to do with the Sages: It is explicitly written in the Book of Deuteronomy: “Only of the cities of these peoples which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance shall not any soul live.” The “only” is in contrast to “Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you which are not of the cities of these nations.”
              which speaks of the laws of going to war there in places far from the land (war of authority).

              Regarding feathers, I claim that you do not really believe (but you do not know it) in your vanities. They use you for beauty, to feel enlightened, etc. If you had something else to boast about, then you would use it. You are immoral. You simply have no self-awareness (not as an insult. You simply did not bother to look at yourself and see why you do everything you do).

              You can also call everything by any name you like. Self-defense is called murder. Democracy (rule by the Jewish people and their election of their judges) is called dictatorship. Dictatorship of unelected officials is called democracy. Black is called white. Day is called night. Anything goes. We shout loudly and that is what will happen.
              The Palestinians are cruel and evil. Anyone who shows mercy to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful.

              1. If the Palestinians are cruel and evil, why do so many fewer terrorist attacks come from among Palestinian residents of the State of Israel?

    2. מתנחל שמתנגד להפיכה המשטרית של נאשם בשוחד מרמה והפרת אמונים says:

      I don't know the 120.
      But I do know a few of them personally.
      Some of them are really well acquainted and 1 of them is in depth with a tour cooperation and long engagement with him in his field of expertise.

      If those I know and personally reflect all the signatories
      After all, they don't think they have special weight.
      They have a degree in hand, they have indeed invested. But they are not really impressive in their breadth of thought.

      1. Such a comment can be written about any group, opponents or supporters of the reform (especially since, as I explained, there is no difference between the groups).

      2. These are recycled slogans of the left.
        This is a political legal system that sews up cases.

        The opposite is true - the High Court is the judicial coup.
        The reform actually protects democracy.
        It returns to Parliament some of the power that the High Court robbed it of.

    3. The spillage of the ketubah here has been deleted, along with a warning for the future. You can raise any opinion, no matter how disgusting and ugly it may be, but with reasons and not in Goebbels-like texts. Michi

      1. The spillage of the ketubah here has been deleted, along with a warning for the future. You can raise any opinion, no matter how disgusting and ugly it may be, but with reasons and not in Goebbels-like texts. Michi

  7. So the innocent people in Jerusalem would not sign the bill unless they knew who was signing with them. Would you, for one, put your name on the side of someone who supports the killing of civilians?

    1. I laughed at the name you gave yourself in the title before your thoughts. Thank you, I finished a few hours of a code marathon and went to the site for a short rest and saw your comments with the name, I laughed. Purim is over but thank you, may God bless you.

  8. What does the rabbi think of the outline published by the president? There, there is talk of explicitly legislating additional constitutional rights (such as equality) but at the price of the Haredim evading the IDF being constitutional;
    Without overriding, leaving the oppressors as they are today, a slight softening of reasonableness only in everything related to political minorities, etc., and invalidation of the law by a majority of 9 out of 15.
    Incidentally, I understand that even the Kohelet Forum agreed to drop the idea of the overriding clause (the forum director claims that it is not needed).

    1. Here is the published outline:
      https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=ryaa4bn1h

      1. I have already been asked about it and I have answered that it has good details and bad ones. There is no point in discussing these details because it is an unborn egg. In any case, any proposal worth considering should contain a complete outline and not a debate about this or that detail.

    2. That is, to leave the judicial dictatorship in its current form more or less.

      By the way, in all other democratic countries, parliament appoints judges.
      Biden, who criticized the reform in Israel, appointed judges himself through Congress.

      But in Israel, wanting to do this is “oyoyo”.

  9. The debate is how much power the pigs in the Knesset will have and how many pigs in the courts.
    There is no discussion about the actual pigs. So enough with the sand as if talking about the actual things.
    When you put pigs in a fight, the result is predictable.
    There is nothing special about a pig moment.

  10. The lack of trust, at least among opponents of the reform as well as supporters, will be resolved if it passes. They will realize that even when the right is in power and has the tools to govern, democracy continues and no one really intends to exclude women, nationalize funds, or imprison gays. So perhaps, on the flip side, there is an opportunity here to renew trust and stop the demonization.

      1. That's also true. But I hope it will pass in some way that will still contribute to governance.

    1. What do you base this on? Based on your acquaintance with the sector opposed to reform?

      The current coalition has already tried in the past to disqualify Arab parties, put cameras in Arab polling stations, and generally reduce the percentage of votes in the Arab sector. Without judicial review, this would have no problem passing, and then they would more or less guarantee themselves victory in the next elections. And what about pride parades? Suddenly they would ban the pride parade in Jerusalem (or Tel Aviv, or Beersheba), and that would be normal, because the majority won and ran, and separate sidewalks for women in Bnei Brak or Beit Shemesh, why not? You have to consider, as well as segregated seating on buses. And segregating women in academia would suddenly seem completely natural (how did the ultra-Orthodox and religious learn until now?) along with the discrimination against women (both lecturers and students) that came with it.
      So no - gays probably won't be stoned.

      1. Well. What can we do that the Arabs belong to a people that is our enemy and their parties don't bother to hide it – especially in Bled and the supporters of terrorism nearby. And this is the reason why they really aren't being recruited (either because they don't want to make them fight against their own people or because they fear that this weapon will be turned against us). For some reason, racism is considered a more serious sin than supporting terrorism. It turns out that according to you, the left is willing to do anything to rule, even give citizenship to Hamas……

        No one cares about gays doing what they want in Tel Aviv and everywhere else, as long as they don't go through religious neighborhoods and their displays of nudity (and other things that we won't describe here) in these parades (which is why Smotrich’ called them animal parades) will not be forced on those who live there and don't want to see them. It's actually very democratic.

        What do you care about separate sidewalks in Bnei Brak in their neighborhoods if that's what they want? Do you have a principle of actually forcing them to mix? Is that a commandment in your religion? Will anything happen to you if you walk on a men's sidewalk if you want to cross the street. Except that it won't happen because the vast majority of Haredim are not interested in it and anyway, whoever decides is their own elders, and they are willing to listen.

        The majority just wants to avoid having the progressive religion and its commandments imposed on them and not be forced to fight with their enemies outside the state and sacrifice the lives of soldiers at the expense of citizens of an enemy collective who themselves are openly hostile to the Jewish people and if they could, they would themselves become soldiers and even support their own army (the terrorists). The majority opposes “corrective” discrimination against Arabs (in academia) who belong to an enemy people. The majority actually wants discrimination in favor of Jews because of Jewish brotherhood (and the desire to advance their people), especially since there is almost no tax revenue from the Arab cyberspace, but there is a lot of crime from them. But despite this, I am willing to agree with equality in admission to institutions.

        In the meantime, all the delusional things you mentioned are the rampage of the unelected legal branch, which cannot be fired and has no responsibility or reporting to the public. And you can't even call it "criticism."

        1. There will be no segregation on buses and in academia because what can be done when religious Zionism and the Likud oppose it. There will be no discrimination against women because there are already female lecturers and students at religious colleges and there is nothing to talk about with Likud voters at all. If you really think that way, then you are delusional (or hoping that is what will happen). This is part of the left's mind engineering. The Haredim are mainly focused on themselves and are not interested in the outside world, but they know their limits. They mainly want to be like the scales, and what they cannot get from the other side (and will get much less because of the progressive leftist religion) they will not achieve in a right-wing government.

          1. I don't agree with anything you said, but I'll just focus on segregation.

            Every few years there is a demand to open segregated study tracks in academia, and every time you have to fight it anew, and sometimes you lose. See here:
            https://tinyurl.com/mryvv39h

            Regarding segregation on buses, it happens and it happened in the past and the Haredim definitely want it in their cities or on buses that go to their cities. I don't see the Likud or religious Zionism stopping it without judicial review.

            1. You are confused. By saying "there will be no segregation", the intention is that there will be no segregation for those who do not want it. If there is a demand for segregated learning tracks, they should of course be opened. The fact that they are not opened despite the demand is precisely the attempt at public education that should not be possible.

              1. I think it's a bit naive to think like that.
                A. Even in the “ideal” situation where there is segregation in academia only for those who want it, there is still a serious problem of discrimination. Can a female lecturer lecture in a men's class? No. But men can lecture in a women's class. This will of course be a consideration when hiring a lecturer, and therefore there will be a preference for male lecturers. I don't know if you think this is bad, but to me it's clear.
                B. In practice, as soon as segregation is allowed only for those who want it, it already becomes mandatory. As soon as it is possible to be stricter with the commandments, they are stricter. This is nothing new. The fear is that it will normalize the demand for segregation even among those who “don't want it”.

              2. Of course you're right. That's a detail of what I meant. I was speaking in general. In short, in favor of liberalism against progressivism.

              3. With me
                B. This is exactly progress. In the eyes of those who want it, it is indeed normal. When such a demand is made, then you will come out shouting. Not now. Now you are trying to impose your opinion on the abnormality of this on those who do want it. This is precisely progressive anti-religious coercion. Always in the name of fear, you can prevent freedom from people. Those who want to be stricter will be stricter, and those who don't, then not. You can't force someone not to be stricter for themselves. When they try to force you, then you will go to war. It is interesting that with the Palestinians, you are not in favor of preemptive actions.
                A. Well? And then what? This is justified discrimination (matter-of-fact). Women are also allowed not to want a male lecturer. The problem with discrimination is when it is not justified, which means that in general there is no problem with discrimination but simply with injustice (which is a tautology). People are allowed to study with those they are interested in and not with those they are not interested in (and also in a framework supported by the state. If they have already decided to support higher education). Just like a lecturer is allowed to decide where he teaches and where he doesn't. It's called freedom. We don't think equality is a value. It may be a reality, but not a goal. The goal is academic education. Why is that bad? (And by the way, there will probably only be female faculty in the separated tracks.) Since when is the gender of the lecturer relevant to academic education? It's just nonsense. Maybe you should just cancel the university entrance exams and just hold a lottery if you want equality.

            2. What is subsidized by the public is not theirs. According to your approach, the Haredim will demand everything and the Likud and the Tzid will give in. So you have no trust. You are allowed. I don't think so. You are even stricter than the Rabbis in their decrees. And on the left there are delusional people like the Haredim activists (who initiate these separations) with coercive initiatives that are a thousand times worse. Likud voters are not suckers. And even now we can see that until now the Likud has not allowed them to fully fund their schools (which is completely legitimate in my opinion. The schools are one big waste of time. You can complete all of your high school studies (including English) in a hundred times less time)

              Meanwhile, the left is also the one that was willing to give in to the Haredim's demands in order to harm the settlers they hate (both in Oslo and in the disengagement). This time they went one step too far and decided to hate both the Spanish public and the progressive, anti-religious trend. So now they are eating what they cooked.

            3. L B.
              You are factually wrong. In separate tracks, male lecturers can lecture to women, and the opposite is not true.
              There are several problems with this, beyond the point of equality (I understand that you do not think equality is an important value).
              Let's assume for a moment that the goal of academia is scientific research and the dissemination of contemporary scientific knowledge everywhere. I think this is a pretty reasonable assumption.
              Let's also assume that men and women are equal in their cognitive abilities and their potential contribution to science.
              Another important assumption: when female students or girls see a female professor, they may think that this is an option for them too, and they may go in the direction of scientific research (remember that according to my first assumption, this is something positive from the point of view of academia). This is in contrast to the situation where female students or girls are only exposed to male professors and therefore many will think that this field is off limits to them.
              So far, it seems pretty clear to me.
              Now, when a university considers whether to appoint someone as a lecturer and researcher, there are all sorts of considerations, and yes: the gender consideration is also a consideration for the reasons I explained above (note that the value of equality or “affirmative action” does not appear as a consideration, only the advancement of scientific research). If studies in segregation result in male lecturers being hired at the expense of female lecturers, it will result in a retreat in this goal, and a retreat in the general goals of academia.
              I hope that is clearer.

      2. Based on my familiarity with this sector - absolutely. Of course, this is an estimate, and what I say about the other side's opinion is also an estimate (I didn't do any surveys). But I've had quite a few conversations with opponents of reform and they are indeed sincerely afraid. On the other hand, I don't know a single one of the supporters who want to turn us into a dictatorship. This is a real joke.

        1. I don't know. I feel like I know quite a few of them and follow others on social media. It doesn't seem like they'll just accept it if it passes. It seems to me that it's quite the opposite.
          No one will admit that they want to turn Israel into a dictatorship, that's clear. And what is a dictatorship? According to the reform supporters, we're already in a dictatorship today. I gave a good example earlier about suppressing voting in the Arab sector, something they tried to do in the past. There are more examples that could be given.
          What interests me about the reform supporters is: don't you see that its implementation will lead to increased corruption? To me, it's so clear that there's no need to even explain. We have elected officials who are only concerned with themselves. Personal laws that concern them and only them. Without any judicial review, isn't it clear that this will only grow and worsen?
          The only answer I've heard to that is that the answer will be in the elections. But in elections, this issue is not voted on, or at least historically it hasn't been an election issue. It's always something about security or religion and state or Bibi. And we know that the masses can be manipulated with some last-minute spin or with lies that are repeated enough times.
          One more thing that interests me about the reform supporters is the question of reality: There is a large minority that strongly opposes this reform, but what can be done with a lot of power in the country. Let's assume for a moment that the reform is indeed important and essential and will only help with everything. That's irrelevant to anything. I hear talk around me about young and talented people leaving, or staying abroad, who wanted to return from working in high tech or from a university position abroad. Don't they understand that we need these people here if we want to keep the country as it is today, or don't they care about passing the reform and losing the country along the way? We are not the United States or even England where you can make such mistakes (Trump, Brexit), and survive.

          1. A few points:
            1. I don't see any connection between the reform and corruption. The press will remain press and the police will remain police. I don't think that elected officials are concerned with themselves, but there are people among them who came to work. There are also those who are not, but that's the case in every sector. There are also lazy and biased judges, but they are the minority and the same is true among elected officials.

            I say what I said in disengagement: If the state determines the conduct of such things because of a pressure group, the mess can be closed here. Such a consideration should not be mentioned at all. Besides, as I wrote, after the smoke clears, everyone will understand that the world behaves as it usually does and the concerns will disappear. Don't forget that there is no world of resilience: the right can also reach the extreme, and then we will be left with pilots but without a backbone of fighters and fighters. If neither side learns to compromise, we have no resurrection.

            1. You probably don't read the news or maybe you live in a cave (with internet!): The elected officials take care of themselves first. Look at the pile of laws they are currently passing: Deri 2 (of course it is terribly important that Deri be a dual minister, but it seems they are willing to commit suicide over this, and what is it ultimately about? A work arrangement), the Donations Law (really, what a poor politician who can't accept donations to deal with his trial?). The National Library Law is also ultimately a way to get revenge on Shai Nitzan (i.e. enacting a law to close personal accounts). In fact, I can't think of anything that the current government has done or wants to do that is in the best interest of all citizens.
              Will the press remain the press? You know that newspapers can also be manipulated. For example, by preventing the government from advertising in the newspaper (as the Minister of Communications recently threatened to do to “Haaretz”), and I don't want to imagine what else.
              Will the police remain the police? When is the Minister of Justice under the authority of the Minister of Justice (another law that was passed earlier today and I think has already passed its first or preliminary reading)? Why would police investigate politicians? Why would prosecutors sue them if they know that they will later investigate them themselves?
              I am simply describing the reality. That is simply the situation. Your answer is irrelevant to what I wrote. It is not just about pressure groups. Those people who will not return, those minds that will leave, it is simply sad.

              Both sides need to compromise, that is true. There is one side that is in fact controlled by a small group of people (the heads of the coalition + Levin and Rotman) who can, with a small decision, put out this fire (say, by announcing the postponement of the legislation subject to serious discussions, etc.), and another group that is not controlled by anyone (the people who think that Lapid is somehow connected to the protest make me laugh), and in fact it does not have any representative body that can be talked to. So it seems to me that from a practical point of view, it's pretty clear what to do.

              1. Apparently we see things differently. For all the embarrassing “Deri Law”, there are many hours of work for the public that are barely covered. Besides, maybe what you say is already happening with judges and attorneys? In any case, this is a long debate that will not be decided.

                For some reason I can't comment there about the curricula. In any case, in a capitalist economy there is no such thing as “deserving” and ”undeserving” regarding wages. If there were to be such an effect on demand, then there would be. Prohibiting the supply of a certain product in order to manipulate demand in the labor market is a bad thing in so many ways (morally, economically, socially, legally), that it is really short-sighted.

                In a side note, I really don't think it will happen. The demand for such tracks will remain small, because it is not compatible with the religious way of life, and that is a good thing.

          2. So you want an enlightened dictatorship. Me too. And I think that leftists are clueless. Really. Autistics who live in an imagined reality that they created for themselves and are unable to get out of it. I think that the left does not deserve to be called corrupt like the politicians they come to with claims, only that they are not aware of it (which is actually not corruption but something worse than that). And the judges belong to this group.

            Regarding these talented people. The people of Israel will survive and emerge stronger (as in all the crises of the Jewish Yishuv before the establishment of the state). And these people will be hit in the face with anti-Semitism like it was after emancipation before the establishment of the state around the world. Just this week I read that Steven Spielberg says that anti-Semitism is reaching new heights in the US. Imagine all these opinionated, disloyal Jews who will end up there. Do you think they will be received with love (especially by Hispanics and blacks who already look down on them even more than the redneck whites)? Germany of the past was the USA of today. They learned nothing from history. The world is not waiting for you. Get out of the movie. Otherwise you will have to come back here in shame with your tail between your legs. There is no democracy of the kind you discuss anywhere. It is an empty governmental procedure. To bring people together, you need something a little more substantial to connect them (even family or ethnic blood ties). The USA is actually facing a civil war much more than we are.

            1. What arrogance, all the truth in you, leftists are ignorant, beautiful.

              You also argue with reality, I am not threatening (and I cannot threaten), I am simply saying what is happening now. I am glad that you are satisfied with it (the people of Israel came out strengthened). I am not.

              1. What does arrogance have to do with it? Many people think, like me, that it is really a mental illness. It is a very difficult kind of blindness accompanied by fanaticism, but most problematically, it is full of internal contradictions (the legacy of the communist mentality). I am not talking about the return of territories or the economy, but about progressivism - the religion of equality (the void). Why argue with reality? And of course you are threatening. Gently. But threatening. Why are you (not necessarily you) telling me this? To explain to me what the consequences are? They are known in advance. But the other option is illogical. This is not democracy, it is the rule of the wealthy, which may be legitimate, but in such a case I expect a preference for Jews over Arabs and not to confuse the mind with equality. In the end, the poor also go to the army and die in wars, and their blood is no less red, and therefore their vote is no less valuable. And if you make it difficult for me from the Haredi, I will answer you from the Arabs.

                And I'm not satisfied. I said that in the end he came out stronger. But in the middle it will be bad. Except in this case, you can't give up on justice. And that's not wise either. There's no point in having other elections. The de facto High Court currently controls and it's getting worse. It has no responsibility and it wasn't elected. It's a dictatorship. Everyone in the world will agree with what I'm saying, and even you admit it. So what are we supposed to do? Agree to an enlightened dictatorship in its own eyes? Tell me. If you were in my place, what would you do?

            2. I can't respond to what you wrote below for technical reasons, so I'm writing here.

              You wrote that I admit something. I don't admit it. You wrote that everyone in the world will agree with what you said, which is just complete nonsense, by the way, and also arrogance.

              By the way, arrogance. All you wrote was that there are a lot of arrogant people. Doesn't make you right.

              I'm not threatening. How can I threaten? I have no power over you or anyone else.

              The middle will be bad and the end will be strengthened. I don't know about the end and neither do you, we both agree that the middle will be bad. Maybe it's better to avoid the bad, that's my logic, but maybe I'm wrong.

              Finally, you asked what I would do in your place. I would start by assuming that I don't have the whole truth, and I would talk to people on the other side of the fence honestly, not thinking that they are ignorant or that they are wrong, but really listening and trying to make it harder for yourself. That's what I do on this forum, for example.

              1. You'd be surprised, but many of my relatives are leftists. Even my father, who is close to my heart. And I don't like to say that he's also opaque. I really had to force him to admit that he believes in an enlightened dictatorship. And that's what I admitted. This is what you wrote: ” And we know that the masses can be manipulated with some last-minute spin or with lies that are repeated enough times”. So you say that the masses are stupid and I agree, but as far as I'm concerned, you're not much smarter than them. From my perspective, you're a ten-year-old boy who is condescending to an eight-year-old (in this parable, I'm an eighteen-year-old boy. If you were wondering). At least put that on the table and don't confuse your mind with democracy. That's really manipulation.

                And I've been behind all the things you said for a long time. This is the conclusion I came to after trying to talk honestly. That there's no one to talk to. At most, they'll tell you one thing and then do something else. See the entry by Rabbi Medan and the Gavizon Medan agreement. What happened to her? Every claim you make to me I will address. And if I don't have an answer then I will say that I need to think about it and that's it.

                It is clear that what is actually happening here is the Haredim, so why not put it on the table?

                Besides, how can the government make significant policy decisions - wrong or right - but the main thing we will learn from them is - if there is a High Court that tries to educate them? If the politicians are corrupt, that means that the people are corrupt (after all, they grew out of it and were elected by it) and then all the law enforcement systems and judges are corrupt too, so your claim about increasing corruption has no value. It doesn't advance us in anything. And if the politicians are corrupt, they can tweet about the courts anyway.

            3. What does what you quoted me as saying have to do with an enlightened dictatorship? My point was that we don't go to elections in Israel over corruption. I don't support dictatorship, enlightened or not.

              I also don't think the masses are stupid (and by the way, the analogy with age is the mother of arrogance, do you notice that?). I just said that they can be manipulated. It doesn't make them stupid. Not everyone has the time and desire to go into all the details of everything, that's why representatives are elected who are trusted greatly.

              Politicians are not corrupt from birth. Power corrupts and politicians have a lot of power and access to stakeholders, so they need to be limited. It's really trivial and it's also empirically proven. Judges also have access to power, but much less. There might be corruption there too, but at least in Israel, there's nothing to compare it to.

              As for the Haredim, we finally agree. All this reform and all the Bibi not Bibi is all nonsense compared to this. This is Israel's number one problem and almost no one talks about it.

              1. You wrote: ” But in elections, this issue is not voted on, or at least historically it has not been the issue of elections. It is always something about security or religion and state or Bibi. And we know that the masses can be manipulated with some last-minute spin or with lies that are repeated enough times.” In other words, you want to appoint an overseer of elected officials who is not on behalf of the public itself. This is exactly an “enlightened dictatorship”. And this is also an example of the opaqueness I am talking about. I have no problem with an enlightened dictatorship. But the left is not enlightened in my eyes. This is also the reason for my ”arrogance”. Why do I need to tell you something that is so obvious. Why don't you think about it yourself?

                Power does not corrupt. It only reveals what has been inside all along. The idea that a fundamental problem can be solved with methods is childish. You have to evolve beyond your narrow ego and it is a matter for each person individually and then truly great people will be elected to lead. And if power corrupts according to your view, then the more power you give the court, the more corrupt it will be, and then you will simply have more corrupt people according to your view. And once the left is in power, then judicial review will disappear completely (as happened with the disengagement, etc., and the legal advisor who disappeared during the Bennett and Fed governments), then there will be an even bigger corrupt government without any judicial review of it. Therefore, the separation of powers really does not solve anything real. If the people are righteous, then a king is possible and it will be better than what it is now.

                With regard to the Haredim, the problem is in democracy itself. Don't the Arabs exploit the country? For some reason, this doesn't bother the left. The Haredim, and accordingly the Arabs, should not have the right to vote (or citizenship). For the same exact reasons. I would be very happy. I don't want to harm the Haredim, but this situation is impossible. The rest of the public, no matter how stupid they are, is not their slave. But the left will never agree to accept this outline. Once this happens, the right will become an absolute majority here forever. And that too against their progressive religion (whose commandments for some reason do not apply to the Haredim even though they are less primitive than the Arabs). This is another example of the left's intransigence.

              2. B, it's great that you were able to come back and change the wording tactics. It seems to be working for you. Give advice and say something, but it won't work.

              3. L.B.:
                I don't see how you understood from my words that I want a "supervisor of elected officials" and "not on behalf of the public".
                The current situation is that the judges and advisors are certainly elected by the public indirectly, but from the moment they are elected, they are independent. The Attorney General is elected by the government (that is, by the public), and the government has a veto right over the appointment of judges, and the judges who are on the committee were also elected at some stage by the public through that committee (up to the first judges). After all, even under the current system, the judges appointed by Shaked will eventually become presidents and will decide on the appointment of future judges. I don't understand the problem.

                What I said was about the fact that governments don't rise and fall because of corruption, and therefore corruption is something that needs to be monitored constantly and the voter doesn't have the ability to do that (anyway - only for 4 years). From what I understand from you, if a minister breaks the law, it's okay because he's an elected official, and the public will pay him for it in the elections. Do you see how this very quickly becomes absurd? Do you know of a single country that is run like this? I'd love to hear.

                Regarding the question of whether power corrupts. Indeed, this is a question that is discussed quite a bit, and it is possible that power does not corrupt, but that people with psychopathic tendencies are the ones who are attracted to power. If so, it goes without saying that they should be limited as much as possible.
                The idea that fundamental problems can be solved with methods is at the basis of the entire democratic system, of choosing the exact electoral method, the exact appointment method, etc. These are serious problems that very serious people discuss precisely because the method is very important.
                No offense, but it seems like you've read one too many Ayn Rand books...

                In any case, people with too much power tend to be corrupt. Giving the court power is not the same as giving a specific judge power. I have written before that judges have much less power than politicians (and maybe people who are attracted to being judges are also less attracted to corruption in the first place, I don't know), but certainly, there is a limit on judges anyway: in order for a judge to reach the Supreme Court, he has to prove himself professionally for many years (for example, as a judge in lower courts), and if there is even the slightest suspicion of corruption, there is no chance of him being appointed or promoted, and therefore the chance of him being corrupt is small (not to say that it is zero). The same cannot be said about politicians.

                For some reason, I do not think that the right to vote should be denied to Arabs or Haredim (are you sure you believe in democracy?), or to any citizen for that matter, and I do not think that the Haredim are “exploiting the state” and certainly not to the Arabs.
                The problem with the Haredi sector, unlike the Arab sector, is that it is a sector that educates for ignorance, and is not interested in participating in the workforce, and moreover receives privileges (such as money for studying Torah over many years for people who can work) and grows very, very much. This is really the number one problem of the state in my opinion, but I doubt if there will be a state left to solve it…

        2. FYI- “Gayati” is a lobbyist for the New Fund.
          They are flooded with responses funded by foreign governments.
          That is what they are paid for - to protect the High Court that supports terrorism.

          And for your information - what he wrote is a lie.
          The judicial system appoints itself. The public has nothing to do with it.
          In no other democratic country is there such a thing.
          In all democratic countries, the parliament appoints judges.
          In the US, the parliament (= Congress) appoints judges.
          Even legal advisors and prosecutors are elected there in elections.

          The judicial dictatorship of the High Court, the Advocate General, etc. - exists only in Israel

  11. I think you underestimate the psychological aspect here. After all, you also agree that there is no disagreement about the need for reform, and yet there is no dialogue. On the surface, I would expect immediate dialogue (when I neutralize the psychological aspect). I think that a politician's feeling that a certain move will bury him politically/image-wise does not allow him to make this move, and this is completely psychological and irrelevant behavior.
    (By the way, this is in my opinion a significant part of the qualities of a leader that are so lacking. A quality that I think Bennett had, for example, and that was expressed precisely in his more controversial moves). I think the solution should come from the direction that politicians lacking leadership will create the impression that dialogue will not lead them to a political burial, but rather the opposite. Such a thing can only be created if public opinion among their base is in favor of dialogue. The problem is that the protest is led by extremists, so I am quite pessimistic.

  12. Gentlemen, you killed me with the procedures. Essence Essence… My test, if Deri returns, it's a sign that something is wrong with the compromise.
    https://archive.is/2023.03.08-203035/https://www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/2023-03-08/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/00000186-c123-db36-a5ff-f5fb71080000

  13. Rabbi Michi, the gist of the argument is that there is a “silent agreement,” and the details are just “nuances.” I see it differently: Each side has an opposing goal. While both sides understand that they are supposedly partners and agree that there is a problem, both want to draw the line in a place that will advance what they want to achieve and prevent what the other side wants. One wants to strengthen the “democratic” side, and the other the “Jewish” side and the right.

    Let’s take, for example, the debate at the summit on overcoming 61 or 70. I don’t see here a debate about “nuances,” but rather an expression of something very fundamental: they want exactly the number that will allow them to “overcome” In practice and promote a “right” policy, and they want exactly the number that will not allow it because the increase is greater than the right-wing mandates (and if possible even more because of ”demography”) and allow for an increase in very exceptional cases with very, very broad agreement that goes beyond the right-wing bloc.

    For this reason, unfortunately, I do not see a way in which it will be possible to agree on any outline (as is seen in relation to the Friedman-Elbashen outline), because the line between “for reform with balances” and “against reform in its extreme form” is indeed thin, but very clear.

    1. I really disagree. No one is bringing in the “Jewish” here. The discussion now is about the constitutional framework (regulation), and that’s what the debates are about. No one is proposing to introduce “Jewish” amendments to the Basic Law of Legislation. It’s true that some don’t want a constitution because of the “Jewish” aspect, and I commented on that. This only concerns the content of the constitution, not the regulation.

      1. The constitutional framework has a direct impact on the laws, and this is precisely the debate: whether to allow free legislation according to the will of the majority, which is not always “enlightened and democratic” (at least in their eyes), or whether to limit and place the enlightened foundations above all possibilities of legislation from the outset, and if they come and legislate, there will be someone who will stand at the gate and prevent them.

        In the end, the debate is simple, and all the outlines lead to the sea – what will bring (or not) the desired result: will there be public transportation and stores open on Shabbat, will they continue to require people to get married in the rabbinate, will they continue to allow the Haredim not to enlist and not to bear the burden, will they allow leaven to be brought into the hospital or not, will they allow the violation of minority rights in the name of right-wing policy or not.

        Although both sides use similar ”words”, the goals are opposite. Each is afraid of exactly what the other is trying to achieve.

        1. This is a partial presentation of the issue. There seems to be a threefold debate here: about the essence, the regulation, and the rights of the minority.
          1. In terms of the essence, they are certainly striving for a slightly different utopia (liberal versus religious/national). Although here too, in my opinion, there is some agreement on the democratic component, and the debate is about the “Jewish” and not the democratic, the problem in the dispute is what happens when they clash.
          2. In terms of the regulation, they seem to be using similar words and also meaning the same thing. Their claim is that a democracy is needed that expresses the opinion of the people. The question in the debate is what the opinion of the people is and how it is expressed and preserved (only through the Knesset/government, or also through the courts). Each of the parties thinks that their opinion is the opinion of the people.
          3. Beyond that, there is also the issue of protecting the rights of minorities. Even if the utopia that the majority wants is A and they succeeded in realizing it, the question still remains what to do with a minority that wants B.

  14. In my opinion, the column's mistake is much more fundamental - His Honor assumes that because a few professors or politicians half-heartedly agreed in the middle of an interview that reform is indeed needed “but not like this” it is a sign that they recognize that reform of any kind is needed and that only the details remain to be discussed. In my opinion, the more logical and obvious assumption is that they said this only to gain more points in public opinion and to show that the other side is the real extremist who not only wants to reform, he wants a reform so extreme that even I, who recognize the need for reform, still oppose the proposed one.
    And as proof - have you ever heard someone admit to ”Rachel your little daughter” what change he agrees to? The most I have heard is agreement on a override clause by a majority of 65-70. A change that in itself hardly changes the existing situation, but it would legitimize the invalidation of laws, which would lead to a significant deterioration in relations between the authorities.
    Moreover, if the goal of the opposition and the brains was to pass a softened reform, why doesn't any of them put their proposal on the table (with a few goats for negotiation purposes, of course)? Don't you think that would have made the protest much more effective?
    Assuming that they are not retarded, the puzzling reason for this is that their goal is to thwart any change, even the slightest, just as they have done in recent decades.
    Anyone who claims that they have changed now will need stronger evidence than that presented in the column.

    1. Here you are wrong about the facts. Of course there are those who agreed with the need for reform, and see for example the article by Netta Barak Koren that was discussed in the column and in the talkbacks to that column. And there are many more.
      Of course, you can always think of hidden agendas, but you won't get far with that. This way you fortify your theory against any refutation, since any contrary fact will explain it as a conspiracy.
      The opposition members don't put a proposal on the table because they are lazy and don't do their homework. I've written this more than once. Yair Lapid never does his homework. But there are experts on their side who have definitely put such proposals on the table. And it's clear that Saar, Elkin, and Lieberman, all from the opposition, agree that reform is needed.

  15. Regarding everyone who wrote in the comments that the fear of a “dictatorship” is exaggerated, and that it is a joke. Here are 2 examples from today:
    1. Politicization of the police: The Minister of National Security removes the commander of the Tel Aviv district from his position because in his opinion he was not violent enough in his handling of the protests today.
    2. The government interferes in the media: Ayala Hasson moved from Channel 13 to Channel 11 and everyone knows why, to be a shield against the closure of the corporation, and she provides work. https://tinyurl.com/5n7szrdw

    1. You are wrong, he is moving it because he was unable to prevent the main axis from being blocked (Ayalon)

        1. Oh, how transparent people are, from reading the article, and the comments, I can, on any political issue that comes up, say with almost atomic precision, what everyone's opinion would be here, but let's leave that aside, I have an idea, very simple, that I think will knock everyone off their feet, I wonder what Miki thinks about it, (it's so simple, that I wonder why I haven't heard echoes of it from anyone so far), so one of the two, either this is an idea, naive on the verge of the devilish, or this is what they call, thinking outside the box, in the past I had such ideas, in bitter debates in the country, one of which was actually accepted, the first of which was actually not accepted, is in the bitter debate that took place at a musical fundraising event for Rabbi Firer's organization, who asked that women not appear, as is known, Saara and Gesa Haaretz, if it should be required, or is it the exclusion of women, I called his assistant, and also the other opposing side, and I proposed to them a real, but cynical idea, and that is to bring in Dana International, and that's how my hands came out The duty of both sides, for the ultra-Orthodox is a man whose voice is not only not shameful, but it is also permissible to shake his hand, and for the secular, she is treated like a woman, and came to Zion as a savior, but as is known, the gentleness of Rabbi Firer, overcame the purity of the other side, and canceled the event, and now we will move on to where my idea was accepted, which I define as a true but defiant idea, and that is to the bitter debate that is taking place in the state regarding the recruitment of ultra-Orthodox and equality of burden, I proposed that they enact a basic law on Torah study, which by definition, comes to clarify to all the ignorant, and the people of the lands, on the secular side, and to all the heretics, on the religious side, or those with independent thinking, on the philosophical side (forgive me for being harsh, but the Gemara established this definition, “You are the price of a heretic, which says, ”Why should our rabbis give us a lesson to our disciples”) that studying Torah is not only a value, it is important, Etc., etc., etc., etc., but he is the main protector of the inhabitants of our country, as I always define them, the “good ones for a pilot” and the ultra-good ones, the Torah Corps, which is the most secret unit in the army, to the extent that even the Chief of Staff is excluded from knowing and understanding their enormous contribution to the protection of the inhabitants of the country. As stated, this was accepted, and is waiting in the meantime after the legal revolution, and now we will return to our business. My idea is to stop all legislation, even for an indefinite period in advance, during which the parties will discuss everything in order to reach agreements, as stated, but immediately at the same time. Now they will add (possibly even temporarily for the time being) 15 judges, on the side of the supporters of the Levin and Rotman reform, together we will have 30 (contrary to Torah law, which requires an odd number, here an even number is preferable because no one is trusted). One side is on the other side, and if indeed there is indeed a rare draw, a temporary solution or a do-nothing decision until the settlement comes, or a decision by lottery, or the fate of the Gra, and whatever you want, which will include all kinds of people, religious, haredim, and Mizrahi, did I forget anyone?? Oh, sorry Ethiopians (except Arabs, I apologize in advance, I simply hate Arabs and racists) I am sure that Levin's side will be able to rely on a composition that will be free of all the ills that exist today in the Supreme Court (which, through the appointment of its judges, is sometimes carried out by removing the lower court) and who knows, it may eventually become clear that there is no longer a need for the overriding ruling, and all the continuation of the reform, due to the maturation

        2. Right now, those who spit on me are protesters who block intersections, officials who have taken power into their own hands, and judges who believe that the all-encompassing light shines on them in every trial.

          1. Officials who "take the law into their own hands" and judges who "believe that the all-encompassing light has been cast upon them" have always been in Israel, according to you (and protesters who block intersections are nothing new). Political police still haven't (at least not to the best of my knowledge). So maybe after the reform the first type of spitting will stop, but there will be new spitting and the question is which spitting do you prefer, the ones you know and can deal with, or something new that might be much worse.

    2. In state-run media that is funded by the government, it is inappropriate to say that there is interference. If this media incites against a part of the people, then it has lost its right to exist. And note that they did not try to fire a left-wing journalist and replace them with a right-wing journalist. The conclusion is that it is better not to have public media that is state-run, and therefore there is no point in its existence.

      There is no such thing as a non-political government body. The police are already political. They are not left-wing on their own (unlike the army), but they do know which side the butter is spread on, and I remember how ruthlessly they cleared the settler demonstrations during the disengagement. And besides, they are currently setting policy themselves. Politics is statesmanship and setting policy is the job of elected officials, not professionals. There is no point in having a police minister if he has no authority and the police cannot decide on their own to manage something. This is the rule of the bureaucrats. The job of the professionals is to advise and execute, and those who cannot because they do not believe in the policy that has been set should resign. Otherwise, how will we learn what the correct dishwashing method is? Whoever determined it did not stand up for the public's choice.

      1. I disagree. There is definitely a point in public media. It is media that is detached from economic interests and the only place where you can put something of quality without taking a financial risk. Specifically, Channel 11 has quite a few very high-quality and very popular original productions, and its news division is also very high-quality (not including the new acquisition).

        It is very good that the police are not political. The police are supposed to serve and protect all citizens, even those who did not vote for this government. I do not know if you are serious.
        What would prevent the minister from ordering the police to arrest members of the opposition? According to your logic, the police must obey.

        In any case, let's take your logic to the extreme. In your opinion, there should be no independent government bodies. That politicians should run everything. Should the governor of the Bank of Israel also only be able to advise? Should the chief rabbi also only be able to advise? And if the minister he appoints tells him that meat and milk are kosher, and the rabbi does not agree, should the rabbi be fired and someone who does agree?

        I agree that this is an interesting approach, I wonder if there is such a country, without independent government bodies, where there are still elections every few years. Oh, there is one, Russia.

        1. It's funny what you say. Politicians are also supposed to serve all citizens, not just those who voted for them. The assumption is that those who voted for them think that the policies they believe in will be good for everyone. Meanwhile, the right is actually interested in what is good for the people of Israel, while from the left's perspective, "the people of Israel" is generally assigned out of disgust and it doesn't even include the majority of the Jewish people.

          What will prevent the minister from banning opposition members is that he doesn't actually hate the people of Israel and wants what is best for them. Yes. Even for the opposition members. There's no point in living in a society when you don't believe in its people. The idea that a set of rules will prevent such a thing is childish. If the minister wants to ban opposition members, he can do it directly. By the way, this fear is always present among leftists. Like the Arabs in 1948, who fled from here because they thought we would do to them what they thought they would do to us and revealed to us what was in their hearts in the process. The left is also probably afraid of what the right will do to it because it would do it (and has already done it itself). If anyone from the right spoke like Lapid has spoken several times, he would have been in prison a long time ago for rebellion. Rabin was willing to kill settlers for the Oslo Accords and they almost succeeded in preventing Netanyahu from being elected (even though he is innocent until proven guilty. Oh no. That's actually only for the Arabs). Ben Gurion was willing to kill Jews for control. He didn't see eye to eye (he pretty much hated the Etzel people. Begin wasn't willing to call him by name at all). Shulamit Aloni said that the people should be replaced. I could write here for a whole hour.

          Russia is like this not because of independent bodies but because of the mentality of its people. Like the other Eastern European countries. It is quite clear that Germany will also continue to be a productive country even if it does not have independent government bodies. In addition, I refer you to this post by Nadav Shnerb:

          “Is politicization of the judicial system a bad thing? Like any question of this kind, the answer depends on another question: what are the alternatives.
          Think about the governor of the Bank of Israel. The stability of the currency and the monetary market is important to the government, and on the other hand, politicians always have an incentive to harm this stability and print money without accounting in order to respond to local pressures. In order to achieve the common good, politicians (throughout the Western world) perform a kind of exercise against themselves. They take a person who can be trusted, appoint him as the governor of the bank, pay his salary but voluntarily give up the powers of supervision over him. This method has many advantages: it frees the politician from public pressure (he can complain about the governor who raised the interest rate and wash his hands of it), it sends a message to the world, and to foreign investors, that there are serious people here who will maintain the value of the currency – wonderful.
          Not just central banks. Throughout the world, many such “positions of trust” have been created over the years: judges, academics, artists, the state comptroller – people who receive a salary or a scholarship to fulfill a task, but are given complete or almost complete freedom to choose how they will fulfill this task within a very broad definition of general goals.
          So what will we do if the governor of the Bank of Israel starts playing with the interest rate for his personal needs, or for the needs of his friends? What will we say if he informs the government that the interest rate in the economy will rise to 20% unless a bridge is built from Safed to Tiberias? When you give the governor the keys, you assume that he is a sufficiently loyal person, sufficiently decent, someone you can trust. If such a person is not found, it will be necessary, with all the sorrow and pain and disadvantages that entails, to return the interest rate decisions to the Minister of Finance or the Prime Minister. This would be a major change for the worse compared to the existing situation, but it is still better than entrusting a position of trust to someone who is not loyal.
          This, in my opinion, is the direction our world is heading. The elites of the Western world are ceasing to be loyal. The idea of a public servant who, despite having freedom of action, sticks to the position that was defined for him, is evaporating, is dying out. This is not corruption in the classic sense, of acting in self-interest or taking bribes, but rather the political prostitution of the profession and a free interpretation of the professional ”mission”, an interpretation that does not consider the intention of the one who created the position and finances your salary.
          Judges and law schools have set the tone in this process. Since the 1960s, they have been increasingly shrugging off the role they are paid to do – to judge people according to the language of the law – and something even more basic: the commitment to the rules of language and interpretation in good faith. All the talk about “purposeful interpretation”, “broad definition”, and the like, has become code words that mean: we will do with the words of the law as we please, without regard to their plain meaning and without good faith, in order to move society from point A, where it is today, to point B, where we want it to be. The legal systems are transforming themselves into governmental systems that engage in social engineering, and the law faculties are cheering them on, because who and what is a “just a judge”, a loyal person who does the work for whom they are paid?
          Pay attention to one of the central arguments in the debate that is currently taking place: “Israel does not have a constitution”. It turns out that a constitution is needed. Interesting. Why is no one talking about the question of what will be written in this constitution? Today, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are in power, aren’t you afraid? Aren’t you afraid that theological, nationalist, Judeocentric ideas will be included in the constitution, which will bind the State of Israel for generations? Of course not. Lawyers don’t care about the content of the constitution, as long as they are allowed to interpret its words as they please. Politicians have no chance: like a bad chess player playing against a master, the other side will also use their own moves on the way to victory. Jurists need a principle that will allow them to invalidate any government decision based on their interpretation of a document. They don't care at all what is written in it, because they have lost their commitment to interpreting words in good faith. They will interpret the document as they wish.
          The general trend seems very problematic. In time, I fear that the entire concept of positions of trust will disappear from the world. It is sad, because society is much more successful with an independent bank governor, independent judges, and so on, but the level of personal morality required of a person in such a position is becoming increasingly expensive, and the media and the relevant parts of academia are almost scornful of it. At the end of the process – this is a global process, not necessarily Israeli, and I assume that the trend will come to us from outside – there will be no escape from the ears of these crooked elites to the mezuzah of public trust, from the appointment of judges and governors for election or from close political supervision over them. Politicization is bad, tyranny or anarchy – worse than that.”

          1. You write that Lapid should be in prison for sedition (and you're not the only one, there was also a coalition MK who said the same thing) and say that the fear that a minister will ban opposition leaders is a projection of the left. That's beautiful.

            Everything you wrote is correct: theoretically there is a huge risk in independent bodies. In practice, they prove themselves wherever they exist. The facts are that people generally tend to try to do the best job they can wherever they are. The same is true for politicians, but their incentive system distorts this (the desire to be re-elected, and immediately after being elected, to be re-elected), along with the great power and access to corruption. That's why, by and large, the system works.

            I support a system in which each politician can only be elected to office twice (to allow him to learn from his mistakes the first time). So in the parliament, there will be about half of them for the first time (and they will have an incentive to overthrow the government if it does not function because they want to be re-elected), and half for the last time (so that they will not have to do populist things to be re-elected and can do what they think is right for the public good and not just what their base thinks is right).

            The example of Russia is not good because of the mentality (I do not agree, but let's say), so take Turkey. Another country where the central bank is controlled by an elected official. A country where opposition leaders are accused of terrorism and people who organize protests go to jail. How are they functioning? Great – eh?

            1. I say that Lapid should be in prison according to his own system and according to how he behaved in the past (those who supported him. Olmert's government). We actually believe in freedom of expression

              Here is another example of opaqueness. How did you miss the main point of everything written? The judges and advisors are not loyal and slowly the rest of the institutions and their officials are too. So it no longer proves itself. The opposite. Theoretically it is good and in practice it is getting worse. It is simply the ego of the officials, so really even the ”conservative” judges who were elected in right-wing governments are also activists. Therefore, there is no choice and we need to return the power of these people to the people. From the beginning, a king (an enlightened dictator in principle) was an independent institution until he lost loyalty and this power returned to the people.

              Once again you are trying to take away the choice from the people and in fact, according to your method, you are creating more and more corrupt people (within 8 years they will already be corrupt). Maybe we will switch to elections every year.

              I don't believe you said that. You probably misunderstood what I said about mentality because Turkey's mentality is much worse than Russia's (they are even more primitive than the Russians). As much as it is said, "Gentlemen, please tell in a song that the Emir's judgment is true and just" about the rule of the Turks here. This is simply another example of intransigence (of leftist mentality) because I assume you have enough talent to see it without me.

              Countries of this type really need a dictator (strong leader) because otherwise there will be anarchy (anything goes. Whatever is right in his eyes will do) which, believe me, is much worse for them. Democracy is not suitable for them (they are not developed enough for it. They do not have enough integrity, as Rabbi Michi said), and therefore all these things happen to them. As we see in Arab society here in Israel with their internal crime (murder and robbery among themselves)
              And therefore, in Israel, democracy is not suitable for the ultra-Orthodox and Arabs. But from what I see today, it is probably not suitable for the left either.

              1. I'm curious, why according to his system should Lapid be in prison? What law did he violate?
                Not that it's super relevant, because the main point is that you think he should be in prison, and in the same paragraph you think that putting opposition leaders in prison is just intimidation by the left.

                What do you mean by "disloyal"? I didn't understand what you meant by "in practice it's getting worse". What's so bad that the country needs to be destroyed for him? Overall, the country has functioned pretty well up until now. That is: it could have functioned better, of course, and there are many serious problems, but overall, people are alive, working, creating, contributing.

                Well, I liked that the king was independent and returned to the people. I don't know which king you're talking about, but the word "returned" isn't so clear to me. Which king belonged to the people?
                But that's just a passing comment, anyway all the talk about a king as a sole ruler is irrelevant to the discussion at all.

                You know, in many countries there are term limits. For example, in the US, the president can only be elected for 2 terms. I think that's the case in France as well. So they're not democracies in your opinion? It sounds like you haven't thought seriously about these things. Corruption is created over time, not immediately. 8 years is a long time, but not enough. Olmert was an elected official and then mayor for quite a long time before he started to become corrupt, and I think he's a pretty clear example. In any case, statistically it will reduce corruption. It's possible that the system I proposed is full of other problems - I didn't think about all its disadvantages and advantages, but after I wrote to you I thought of another advantage. It will increase the stability of the Knesset because MKs will have much less motivation to dissolve the Knesset.

                Regarding the mentality of the Russians and the Turks. I don't know how many Turks or Russians you know. I know a few. The Turks I know are people just like me and you (well, maybe not like you). And you can find Israelis and Turks of all kinds of mentalities. Turkey was a relatively democratic country until a few years ago (still problematic, because the army had the power, and Erdogan changed that to a large extent), and if you remember there was a lot of talk (maybe 10 years ago) about Turkey joining the European Union, which was seriously considered at the time. And no, I don't agree that any country needs a dictator.

                I also don't agree that democracy is not suitable for Arabs. There are serious cultural problems that I don't underestimate at all, but in Tunisia, for example, there was a functioning democracy that was widely accepted from the Arab Spring until a year or so ago, when there was a crisis that threatened to return the country to dictatorship, and the situation there has probably deteriorated since then. I wouldn't be surprised if the situation there returns and improves in the coming years.

                Question: Is there a single country in the world that is democratic in your opinion? After all, according to your opinion, the mere existence of independent government institutions is no longer democratic. I'm curious if there is a country where your democratic dream is coming true.

              2. Laita

                I simply remember how the left threatened to rebel and disengage. Then Yair Lapid wrote in the newspaper and was among the supporters. If he had lived up to the standards of the left at the time, he would have been in prison according to their system. The right does not believe in these standards because it is not dictatorial (for example, it would have allowed the Haganah to exist alongside the IDF if it had been a continuation of the Etzel).

                People are murdered here every year by Arabs, but Jewish blood is not counted in the world, and even in the eyes of the left, which apparently sees the world through the eyes of the Gentiles. In fact, the main risk is in future wars against Hamas and Hezbollah. After all, the normal response to rocket fire is to fire missiles against me. For some reason, the civilians on the other side are always innocent (and not with us). Even though Hezbollah sits in the Lebanese parliament and there is no difference between Hamas and the communist party and any other police state. The main fighter in this type of fighting is the various jurists (see the entry on the murder of the Hatuel family. High Court ruling regarding the destruction of the house from which they were shot). That is why it is very bad

                “A king returned to the people” the meaning is that from the beginning, the creation of a people always precedes the reign of a king. And the people hand over power to him (this happens without saying it. In an implicit way). And if the king uses his power to exploit the people at any time, the people will take this power back to him.

                I am not interested in what is democratic, but what is just. Yes. In countries where there are term limits, there is a violation of the people's freedom of choice. It is less democratic.

                Good. You insist on not seeing what everyone sees. There is a Turkish collective and it is more primitive than the Russian one and it is itself more than the Israeli one (on average, weighted across all parts of Jewish society). Turkey has never had a mentality that is suitable for democracy, and that is why it has reached the situation it is in today. It doesn't matter if you agree or not. But yes. Democracy is not a Torah from Sinai and is not a holy thing, it is a system of government and nothing more. There are peoples who are like children and they need a responsible adult, otherwise the honest man in their eyes will do and murder and robbery will prevail. Look at what is happening in the DR after the abolition of apartheid (regardless of the evil that was in it). Today it is truly a criminal state (but for them freedom is better than personal security and this is legitimate). And I have heard that there are also Chinese people from the street who said that democracy is nice for the West but does not belong to them. They have no cultural problem. They are simply not developed. They are like children. Being a child is not a problem, but a child's freedom is restricted for his own benefit.

                There is no country in the world that is truly democratic. This is an illusion. Indeed, all over the world, those who rule are the officials (and the rich and those connected to them). This is the truth. There is an illusion that the elected are the ones who decide, but the officials decide for them what to decide. And there is no democratic dream either. There are dreams of the redemption of the world and man, but there are no dreams of methods. Methods are a means, not an end.

              3. Lv

                I'm sorry, apparently our worldviews really are too different. For example, you are a racist, and I am not. Not a racist in the sense that some races are inferior to others, but only in the sense that some peoples are inferior to others, undeveloped peoples, who are like children. I think you should open your mind a little, maybe even go abroad and live in another country for a year (without speaking Hebrew and not in an environment where there are Jews).

                Glad to hear that there are no democracies at all in the world. At least you are consistent. I agree with you that a system of government is only a means, not an end, but we both want different ends.
                For example, I want to live in a sane country, which will function, take care of its citizens and give them the conditions to be happy, work, invent things, research things, not interfere in their private lives, etc.

              4. After you said the magic word “racist” that's it. The discussion is closed. There is no truth, no reality, nothing. Well, reality will not change because of the ”feathers” of your &#8221Enlightenment”. Everyone sees what I'm talking about, and so do you. There are more developed nations and there are less. It's a fact. In any case, it's either true or it's not. It's not appropriate to accuse anyone of it. Racism is an empty concept. You can talk about unjustified discrimination, but it has nothing to do with what the discrimination is. And in general, the problem is injustice, which, as stated, is a tautology.

                It's great that you want what you want. But you need good people for that, and not all kinds of different methods of government, and that's just education.
                .

              5. But what can you do if you are really a racist? This is also the reality. There was a wise man who said: everyone sees what I am talking about and so do you.

                And I wrote what I want, I did not say that I know how to get there (yes, I know of several ways not to get there). The context was that I was talking about the fact that we both want different goals. I said what goal I think a state should serve. I think you prefer a different goal.

                What do you think is the best method to run a state? I guess that the best for you is an enlightened king, and we just have to wait and raise the right leader that we can finally crown over us. Am I guessing right?

              6. But I'm right (and the 6th gen sees what I see, only you don't say it. So you're also a racist in your opinion) So what do I care what you call me? And being a racist is not a crime in any way. It's like accusing me of being a hatter.
                In my opinion, the method is not important. The essence is important. If the people are good, there is no need for anyone to govern anything. It will run perfectly on its own
                An enlightened king in himself is not enough. He must also fear God and he must also be chosen by God (through a true prophet)

              7. You are wrong, and I disagree with you.
                And about God – good luck with that.

    3. The problem is that a norm has been created that blocking roads is legitimate. If it were known that this was not the case, and it were enforced with (reasonable) force in every demonstration without exception, then there would be no problem with the dismissal. When a norm is changed specifically in a demonstration against the government, it is problematic. On the other hand, almost every demonstration is against the government. Therefore, the norm needs to be changed through a specific law, and that way everything will be clean and transparent.

    4. Itay = Responding to the payment of the new fund.
      We are on the verge of a judicial dictatorship.
      The High Court itself issued gag orders on corruption in the judicial system.

      1. Where is the money that the New Fund owes me? Maybe you know who they contact there to get the payment?

        PS Look at what imaginary realms you have to go to deny the fact that there are real people with a different worldview than yours

          1. I'll also be passing along my account details here, shortly. I'm not affiliated with the new fund, but I'm a big fan of the idea of receiving money like this for free.

  16. Hello Rabbi Michael Avraham,

    These are very true, but they fail to go beyond the framework of the technocratic discussion while the story here is much more than that. The story here is a social and cultural struggle between different groups in the population, and this cannot be resolved by technical means, even if they reach an agreement on them.

    The historian Polybius, who studied the causes of wars, made the distinction between a cause and an excuse. The excuse is nothing more than an excuse or trigger for an outbreak that really stems from deeper reasons that do not appear in official manifestos.

    Here too, the debate is not really about the independence of the court. It is clear to everyone that if judges in the style of Yosef Elron and Noam Solberg were sitting on the court, or people who are clearly conservative or religious and ultra-Orthodox, would there even then be a demand to give the court independence? Try to think what would happen if the Knesset had decided to recognize same-sex marriage and the court had annulled the law as being extremely unreasonable.

    The story here is a debate about values, about freedoms, about the character of the state, about the character of the public space. Half of the people, people who were born into a state with a certain character, people who contribute to security and the economy, feel that the ground is slipping away from under their feet, and fear, not without foundation, that the character of the state will become more extreme to the point where they will no longer be able to live in it. It is a terrible feeling.

    So we should listen not to the cries of “democracy” or “dictatorship”, because they are only the pretext. The reason for the demonstrations is different, and therefore a solution to the constitutional crisis will not provide an answer to the problem. Perhaps at most it will postpone or detonate for a few years.

    What is the solution? Good question. But I have already gone on too long here.

    1. I completely agree. The reform is a platform, and what is worrying is mainly the content that will fill it (what it will allow to do).
      And yet, the discussion now is around it, and what you described is the deep background that there is no proactive way to address (only reality might do something here).
      I wrote about it and even in this column (the debate about the ”Jewish”).

    2. You are wrong and misleading. The solution is for the Knesset to appoint judges.
      Just as in all Western countries, the parliament appoints judges.
      Just as Biden himself appointed judges.

      Note that the leftist protests are also funded by foreign governments, the Wexner Foundation, the New York Foundation, and other greens.
      Foreign governments pay for this - to protect the High Court that supports terrorism.

  17. The point is actually simpler.
    In all countries in the world, parliament appoints judges. In all of the West, parliament appoints judges.
    Only in Israel do they elect themselves (a committee with an automatic majority. Rubber stamp).

    The reform is one of the most minimal reforms that has long existed in any Western country.
    In the US, Canada, the European Union, etc., parliament and only parliament appoints judges. (That is, they went further than this reform).

    Obama himself appointed judges.
    Biden appointed judges.

  18. “If we focus now on filling these gaps, that is, we complete the constitutional arrangement and ignore the debates over the content, it will be possible to escape the current conflict and move on” –
    Don't you think that the problems are practically intertwined despite the logical separation?

    For example, the inability to agree on the powers of each body from a clear understanding of its emerging composition (BIM”S = liberal/left, Knesset – will be more conservative/fundamentalist right) – in advance prevents the possibility of agreeing on the rules (because after 75 years of playing, given any proposed rule, it is possible to estimate in advance who will win, and who will lose and therefore oppose the rule)?

    1. I'm not sure, but it's a political question. In practice, I think there is very broad agreement about the arrangement.

    2. The far left that dominates the legal system is anti-liberal.
      Calling the left liberal is like saying North Korea is liberal.

  19. Despite the good intentions, there is some frivolity in the concept of a “constitutional moment.” A constitution is not enacted in a moment, but is supposed to be the result of a long and profound general thought process, in which the entire public participates.

    Examples:
    1. The first Constitution of the United States was enacted in 13 articles in 1777 after discussions that lasted about two years. 10 years later, representatives from 12 US states wrote a new constitution for 5 months at a conference in Philadelphia in accordance with the so-called “Connecticut Compromise.” 85 articles called the “Federal Papers” were published in newspapers in order to discuss whether to accept it. Some states agreed to accept it only if the new government enacted a Bill of Rights. In 1788, Congress ratified the constitution. Since then, the Constitution has been amended 27 times. In 1791, the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments, guaranteeing individual rights, was ratified. In 1865, the 13th Amendment was ratified, abolishing slavery. In 1920, the 19th Amendment guaranteed women the right to vote. In 1951, the 22nd Amendment limited the president to two terms. And so on and so forth.

    The British Constitution is not a single written constitution, but is based on the ”Magna Carta” of 1215, the Bill of Rights and the Claims Act of 1689, the Act of Union of 1707, the Representation of the People Act of 1928, and more, and on principles recognized by the British Supreme Court as having constitutional status, such as the supremacy of Parliament, the rule of law, democracy, and respect for international law.

    In Israel, in the Constituent Assembly, the P’ai and religious parties opposed the enactment of a constitution, and the opposition parties demanded that a constitution be enacted. In 1950, they decided not to enact a constitution, but agreed to the Harari compromise, to enact basic laws that would be added to the constitution in the future. This is how basic laws were enacted over the years.

    After the enactment of the Basic Law on Freedom of Occupation and the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty in 1992, Justice Shamgar treated these laws as laws with constitutional status. Following him, Justice Barak interpreted the Basic Laws and the Declaration of Independence in a manner known as the “constitutional revolution.” In contrast, Justice Cheshin believed that basic laws are not a constitution, and that the Knesset does not have the authority to enact a constitution, although it has agreements to bind itself without a constitution.

    In conclusion, the State of Israel is young, and the entire public has never agreed on a constitution, although its representatives have taken steps towards a constitution. From the history of other countries, we learn that any constitutional step, whether in the enactment of a comprehensive constitutional document or in the formulation of laws with constitutional status for the future, is only one that is taken with the active participation and broad agreement of the entire public.

    1. The moment should not be the time when legislation is made, but rather a moment that prepares and begins the process. As I wrote, there is pretty broad agreement on most of the constitution. The only real debate is what a Jewish state is and the relationship between Jewish and democratic.

      1. The moment that qualified and started the process was the establishment of the state. Since then, the constitution has been discussed many times. “The only discussion that is truly controversial is what a Jewish state is and the relationship between Jewish and democratic” – This is the gist of the book, and the rest should be derived from it. Therefore, since there is no general agreement on the gist, in order not to bind future generations in constitutional matters, one must be careful of hasty constitutional enactments one way or the other.

  20. One should always be optimistic and is commanded these days to encourage the fearful and the discouraged, so I took upon myself the task of raising a new angle that is not so much being considered. There is a point of view that I am thinking about these days, specifically in a positive direction, which even makes me smile whenever we are bombarded with more and more letters and warnings from all kinds of professionals and those holding senior positions in the economy. Imagine that the reform is moving forward, and a year or two, three and four years pass, and the economy has not collapsed but on the contrary has strengthened in all parameters, objectively, (if there is still some bar of hope left, that can be relied upon, in analysis, and dry presentation of data, especially since I do not have the ability to know and analyze whether this is a direct result of the reform, or of the situation of the cost of living and inflation throughout the world, not to mention adding fuel to the fire by intentionally creating damage that can be created from the fruit of a plot by irresponsible people, who only examine hearts and kidneys. I know, what is in their hearts, those with degrees and two, who have created a general panic, and sowed a fear of a pike that creates a psychological horizon, especially for investors, from abroad who do not know the souls operating behind all these orchestrated choirs, up close, and are not versed in the fine nuances, like us, and do not want to take risks as they say, as our eyes predict today even before anything has happened, and even what will happen, is not what they initially thought, there are those who have withdrawn, or avoided bringing in, out of false fear) What a blow this will be to all their prestige that they have built around them academics, professors, and economists, of almost all types and genders, in Israel and around the world, among them, Nobel Prize winners, and awards from all kinds of academies, from the governor of the bank, to professionals in the Ministry of Finance, not to mention lawyers, that it will become clear to all of us, who have lived with them until today, if we read it, that we thought they were something, and in the end it turns out that they are not Bears and not flies, and everything came from a position, like the prophets of Baal, in the time of Elijah, and all their glory will bloom as if it was not there, a balloon that will burst in the face, of those who think they are something, I am sure that if I had been educated from a young age to give prestige to scientists, professors, and those with degrees and these professions, I would have had a serious crisis, with all the credit and respect that I mistakenly gave them, my whole life, I do not envy those who, unlike Eli, see them as a model to emulate, what a break they will be in, when the lie is revealed for all to see, as happened to groups in the past who believed in false messiahs. It is fortunate that since childhood I have been accustomed to admiring intellectuals such as Rabbi Kanievsky, Rabbi HaGriysh Elyashiv, and the late Staepiller, and all the great men of the generations, the giants of the generations, who give warmth with their stature, while the bearers of the above titles were raised, at best, to treat with minimal respect, like other homeowners, from the town's doctor, to the water carrier, woodcutter, and cart owner, to earn their living honestly and fairly, but nothing beyond that and certainly not admiration, or some kind of model and desire to be like them, that is what the Gentiles are for, we have a completely different role, so that I look at this side as stated positively, and on the contrary, the more intimidation, the better, and the more senior his rank, the more when the lie is revealed, the "golden calf" will shatter with it too.

    1. And what if all the young men stop studying Torah and a year or two passes and the country collapses, neither flies nor bears? Will there be a serious crisis in your humble soul?

      1. What would happen if, if Grandma had wheels, I'm not dealing with hypotheses, which belongs to Netflix, here I'm dealing with something we've already entered, and all we have to do is wait and see what happens, there's no going back, that's it, and all their prestige and integrity, and professionalism, are now hanging in the balance, specifically regarding your question, we can learn from the past, Maran Rabbi Schach said that before the Holocaust, the situation in Europe, in terms of Torah study, was catastrophic, (I don't remember the exact number he gave, of yeshiva students, who could be counted, before the outbreak of the Holocaust, maybe 200?) In any case, even in our short history here in our country, there is data, numbers, what happens in the intervening times when we take our foot off the pedal a little, “Moses and Aaron in their priests, and Samuel in their call upon his name”

        1. Stop everything! It turns out there is scientific evidence that studying Torah protects Israel. We need to call the Nobel Prize Committee today.

          1. Friends, I'm starting to recognize a recurring troll. Warning again. Shmuel's messages are stupid, and I allow them. But if this goes on for too long, I'll return as expected, and delete everything.

            1. Usually when you delete a comment, you leave the name, and note why the comment was deleted, which we won't do here.

              1. Indeed. But there is a background here. You have already been deleted in the past, and now I have allowed you to come back in the hope that something will improve. But you continue with tedious and long messages that are full of demagogy with stupid arguments, and descriptions of how you predicted everything in advance, and so on. Childish discourse and not appropriate for the site.
                I would not delete every single message, but sometimes quantity becomes quality. This repeated trolling again and again disrupts the discourse on the site.
                And no, it has nothing to do with your actual positions. There is no limit to the positions that can be raised here, as long as it is well-reasoned and written reasonably and does not drive the mind crazy.

    2. Forget it, Shmuel, you don't need a degree to understand what will happen if tens of thousands of talented people leave and stop paying taxes. Of course, by being here, they also attract and develop other people to be talented, which means that this damage will continue in the future. High-tech companies are already negotiating with European countries to move there with their employees, on excellent terms.

      But a point for optimism: perhaps on the other hand, real estate prices in the center will fall.

      1. You know me, the law was argued in the wheat and he answered him in the memory of his holiness? I didn't come here to discuss the reform of the law, whether it is good or not, there are thousands of others who will do it and we have exhausted it, to the point of disgust, please wait for the future and talk to me again on the tenth of the month

        1. You talked about economics and I answered about economics. Where in my response did I talk about judicial reform?

          1. I wasn't talking about economics per se, but about economists, and the other subjects in the titles, that is, the bodies of people.

      2. There is nothing to be done. If this is what is right and also wise, this is what needs to be done and trust in God to help us grow. In the end, with God's help, it will be better than it is now (in this case, it is not wise to surrender to the left. It is simply surrendering to bullying and admitting that as human beings they are more equal (which is not true. In terms of the general amount of intelligence that exists on the right, it outweighs the left (the intelligence that exists in the top tenth or fifth is right-wing and is more equal than what exists in the four left-wing tenths below)). There is nothing for judges and lawyers to look for in this committee now. From the moment judges began to determine policy (promote values), they have nothing to look for in this committee, and it should consist only of politicians according to a coalition key. We can talk about dividing the judges according to this key, but it seems to me that it is more just now to choose according to the winner takes all (in the same term). I think that is how it is all over the world.

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