Halakha and Morality: The Theoretical Picture (Column 541)
With God’s help
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About two weeks ago I watched the film “A Priest’s Wife” on the Ma’ale School of Television, Film & the Arts website. The film presents a situation in which the wife of a kohen (priest) is raped, and a discussion ensues as to whether she can be permitted to remain with her priestly husband. I often cite the rule that a raped priest’s wife must separate from her husband as an example of a head-on collision between halakha and morality, and I think this film has added value in that context. I will devote two columns to this topic. In this column I will sketch the picture of the relationship between halakha and morality as I see it, and in the next column I will turn to discuss the film and the issue of a raped priest’s wife through that prism.
Halakha and Morality: Three Halakhic Categories
I have already addressed the relationship between halakha and morality (see, for example, in Column 15, and in greater detail at the beginning of the third book of my trilogy), but to my surprise, when I looked now I saw that I have not yet done so systematically here on the site.[1] Therefore, at the outset I will present my view more systematically, albeit briefly.
In this context, halakha can be divided into three categories: moral laws, a-moral laws, and anti-moral laws. Moral laws are laws that accord with moral principles, such as “You shall not murder,” “Honor your father and your mother,” charity, and the like. A-moral laws are laws that have no connection to morality, such as most dietary prohibitions (pork, orlah, chametz, and the like), ritual purity and impurity, Shabbat, all matters of sacrificial rites, and land-dependent commandments (perhaps excepting gifts to the poor), and so forth. These laws appear morally neutral and seemingly do not belong to the moral sphere at all. Anti-moral laws are those that clash with moral principles, such as the obligation that a raped priest’s wife separate from her husband, the killing of Amalekite infants, not saving a gentile on Shabbat, and the like. I will note that there are not many such laws, and it is quite clear that this is the smallest of the three categories. Still, the very existence of this category is what arouses the difficulty and the discussion about halakha and morality.
From the very existence of laws of the third kind, it would seem that God is not moral and does not demand that we be moral. True, there is a category of moral laws, but that could be coincidental. If He were moral, we would expect a complete match between halakha and morality. One can also see a problem of sorts in the second category, since it, too, indicates that not only morality matters to God and to the Torah. And it seems that even in the first category one can identify problems, since there too there are differences between the directives of morality and those of halakha. For example, in the laws of homicide, halakha distinguishes between “what is closer to the fire or closer to the object,” and discusses a killer by indirect causation (grama), a “metzamtzem,” and the like—distinctions that have no moral significance. From a moral perspective, one who murders with his left hand or opens a door for water or fire to kill someone is fully a murderer; yet halakha makes such distinctions.
These claims are, of course, not new. For example, the Maharal in Be’er HaGolah, Second Be’er (pp. 31–32 in the standard edition of the Maharal’s works), points to a difference between halakha and morality regarding the laws of returning lost property—seemingly belonging to the first category. He brings one example where halakha is stricter than morality and another where morality is stricter than halakha:
In Bava Metzia ch. 2 (21b) they said there that one is not required to return a lost item after the owner has despaired (ye’ush). This seems far-fetched to people: that a person takes what is not his, for which he did not toil or trouble himself, and covets another’s property. This is not in accordance with the “religion of civility” (dat ha-nimusit), for that code obligates returning the lost item even after the owner has despaired of it.…
And at times the “religion of civility” is exceedingly lenient… Therefore, according to that code, one must return a lost item after the owner’s despair, and this is a stringency. Conversely, if one found silver or gold vessels and announced them once or twice and no one claimed the loss for a year or two, he keeps them for himself and uses them, for there is no “repair of the world” (tikkun ha-olam) in returning them after he has announced them several times and waited a year or two or more; no one will come. But this is not in accordance with the Torah, for if one found silver or gold vessels and announced them many times, they are forbidden to him forever. Rather they must remain deposited until Elijah comes; he must never touch them. See how very strict [the Torah] is…
Halakha allows a person to take a lost item after the owner’s despair, even though morality obligates returning it. That is a stringency of morality compared to halakha. Conversely, if a person found very valuable items with identifying marks before the owner despaired, then even if the owner does not appear for many years, he must guard the items and not use them. That is a halakhic stringency, since morality would say there is no point in wasting such valuable items; if it is clear the owner will not receive them, there is no reason to keep them, and there is even a consideration to allow their use so at least someone benefits from them.
Halakha and Morality: Basic Approaches
For our discussion, let us begin with the third category. Several approaches can be found to reconcile the tension between non-moral halakhot and morality. I would divide them into three principal directions:
- Morality is a category without authority. According to this approach, from a Torah perspective there is no place for another normative category beyond halakha, and therefore moral imperatives have no authority. We observe moral halakhot because halakha commands them, not because they are “moral,” but a moral command as such has no independent force. Halakha represents all our obligations. According to this view, one could even say that being obligated to morality alongside halakha is a kind of idolatry, for it is a commitment to another source of authority besides God.
Leibowitz wrote that morality is an atheist category, and that is apparently what he meant. Many have wondered, however, how he rebuked us for immoral behavior (the “occupation,” etc.) if this is an atheist category. As a believer he should not have been bound by it. I believe I once saw an article by Eliezer Goldman explaining that his intent was that this is a category not related to halakha and the divine will, but it obligates the religious person just like the secular one as a parallel category. Yet this is essentially a dualistic conception—commitment to two distinct sources of authority—what in halakhic jargon is called “shituf.”[2] I will return to the idea of parallelism below.
This approach seems very problematic. The Torah itself instructs us to “do what is right and good,” and it rebukes Cain for murder even before there was a command forbidding it. The Torah contains quite a few directives that clearly show morality matters to it.
- Halakha encompasses morality. According to this approach, behind every halakha that appears to contradict morality lies a deep moral explanation that we presumably do not grasp. Halakha is the true moral command, and if morality seems to contradict halakha, that is an error in our understanding of morality. One must understand that on this view, there may be halakhot of the second category, but there are no halakhot of the third (those that contradict morality—the contradiction results from misunderstanding). According to this view, halakha has moral aims that are expressed in laws of the first type, but laws of the second type pursue other values. Laws of the third type certainly do not contradict morality, but it may be that they, too, pursue other (non-moral) values.
This approach also seems problematic on its face. For example, halakha forbids saving the life of a gentile on Shabbat. What moral explanation could align with such a prohibition? Is there no value to human life, even that of a gentile? Similarly with the separation of a raped priest’s wife from her husband. The assertion that a deep moral principle unknown to us lies behind this sounds like empty evasion. Either one defines morality by halakha (see on the Euthyphro dilemma in Column 457), or one empties morality of content, because it is not really what we think it is. In that case it is merely an empty definition. Each of us knows what is moral and what is not, even in these situations. I do not see how one can claim that manifestly non-moral directives are the ultimate morality. It is reminiscent of Orwellian brainwashing: “Slavery is freedom, ignorance is strength,” etc.
In passing I will note that the implicit assumption here is that there is no such thing as “Jewish morality” or “divine morality.” Morality is morality is morality, and it is universal by definition. That does not mean there are no moral disputes, but in such disputes there is a right and a wrong answer; hence there is no meaning to adding an adjective like “Jewish morality” or “Christian morality.” There is morality, and we all understand what it says (save for marginal disagreements). See more on this in the appendix to this column.
- Halakha is morality. R. Kook apparently held such a view, and therefore in several places he went so far as to claim that all of halakha is nothing but morality. He essentially denies even the existence of the second category (a-moral laws). In his view, all that halakha seeks to achieve is morality, and in the latter two categories—those that seem disconnected from moral considerations or even to contradict them—that is merely our erroneous interpretation. At bottom there is a moral idea. In a sense, for him there is no halakha, only morality, and what we call “halakha” is ultimate (divine) morality.
This approach also seems problematic, since vast swaths of halakha appear unrelated to morality in any way. The moral explanations R. Kook proposes for various halakhot, for example in his LeNevuchei HaDor, seem very forced and far from satisfying as interpretation.
We therefore seem to face a broken cistern. How, nonetheless, can we understand the relationship between halakha and morality in a way that is both reasonable and convincing rather than forced, and also fits the facts (what we find in the Torah and halakha)?
Religious Values and Moral Values
I believe the solution lies precisely in reflecting on the second category, the a-moral laws. If we do not accept the speculations about hidden moral values underlying them, the natural conclusion is that the Torah has other aims—non-moral values—and these laws come to achieve them. Let us call them “religious values.” The prohibition against eating pork, or the laws of sacred offerings, do not come to achieve moral aims or realize moral values, but to achieve religious aims. What exactly are those aims? I do not know. For all I care, it could be “rectifying eternity in Hod,” or assisting God in some obscure spiritual matter. I truly do not know, but the existence of such laws indicates this is the case. At times it is easy to identify such aims; for example, the laws of sacrificial worship are intended to bring the Shekhinah to dwell among Israel. That is not a moral goal but a religious one, and the values realized by these laws are not moral values. Prohibitions like pork or orlah are harder to understand.
But even with regard to sacrifices, it is not clear why they are offered specifically in the ways halakha defines—that is, the details of the laws in these areas also remain unclear, apparently aimed at achieving religious objectives or values. I have often been accused that this conclusion is irrational or illogical, but I think that accusation is baseless. A rational person should accept conclusions that follow from facts and good arguments even if he does not understand them. Therefore, the fact that I do not understand those aims does not mean they do not exist. For example, we do not grasp quantum theory either, but the facts indicate it is likely correct. Should we reject it because it contains elements we do not understand?! I previously cited the story of a fellow from our yeshiva who suffered from hepatitis for about half a year; when they brought him a “witch” who placed pigeons on his navel, the pigeons died and after a few days he recovered and returned to the yeshiva. Should a person with a rational approach disbelieve the story? In my view, if the witnesses were reliable (and they were), one must accept the story and seek a rational explanation for what happened. That is a rational approach, as opposed to a rationalist approach that refuses to accept unintelligible phenomena even when they have a strong, reliable basis.
So too with a-moral halakhot. Their existence can be explained in two ways: either moral aims underlie them that I do not understand, or other types of aims underlie them. Since we understand morality well, saying there are unknown moral aims here is implausible. The natural conclusion is that there are other aims—namely, that the Torah strives toward religious values. This conclusion is not fully intelligible, but at least it is not absurd. As Sherlock Holmes said, after eliminating the impossible, what remains—however improbable—must be the truth. That is the meaning of the second category (the a-moral laws). We can now also understand the meaning of the remaining two categories.
The Meaning of the Third Category
I will begin with the third category. If indeed the Torah strives toward religious values, then there is no need to seek a moral reconciliation for the laws of this category. It may be that they, too, pursue religious values, except that in their case this pursuit harms moral values. Such conflicts do not constitute a logical—nor even a moral—problem. Often, striving for one value comes at the expense of another, and it is impossible to fully realize both. In such a case we must decide which value prevails and be prepared to pay in the coin of harming the other value.
Even when only moral values are involved, such conflicts exist. Often there are clashes between moral value A and moral value B, and we must decide which prevails. Therefore, if our arsenal of values includes both moral and religious values, there is no impediment to a clash arising between a religious value and a moral one, and there too we must decide which prevails. But the mere existence of a clash poses no problem—neither logical nor ethical. My well-known chocolate parable illustrates this: Reuven says it is worthwhile to eat chocolate because it is tasty, while his colleague Shimon says it is not worthwhile because it is fattening. Who is right? Both. There is no contradiction: chocolate is both tasty and fattening. Do you see a logical problem in that claim? Certainly not. The question is what to do in practice; that is a conflict, not a contradiction. A person must decide which value prevails for him—pleasure or health. The existence of such a conflict is not a logical or other problem, only a practical dilemma. Moreover, one who decides to eat the chocolate is not thereby indifferent to health, just as one who refrains is not necessarily indifferent to pleasure. Each can be fully committed to the “values” of pleasure and of health, but in practice he must choose what to do.
So too with a clash between a religious and a moral value. Consider the raped priest’s wife: the religious obligation to preserve priestly sanctity requires her to separate from her husband, even though moral values say that obligating them to do so is a moral wrong. Even if we decide to require them to separate, that does not mean the Torah or God is indifferent to moral values. Certainly morality is important in their eyes (“Do what is right and good,” etc.), but the religious value overrides the harm to the moral value. The same with saving a gentile on Shabbat: the religious value of Shabbat observance overrides the moral value of saving a life.[3] Does that mean the Torah is indifferent to moral values? Absolutely not. This is a complete solution to the halakha-and-morality difficulty, even if it does not resolve the practical conflict. I will not enter into that here; I will only say that in most cases halakha will prevail, but not in all. I discussed this extensively at the beginning of the third book of the trilogy and in my lecture series on halakha and morality (and a bit in Column 15, where I distinguished between incidental and essential conflicts. I will not enter into that here).
Sectarian (Secular) Critique
Yisrael Shach was a Jerusalem chemist who liked to level harsh critiques at halakha and the religious. Among other things, he published cases (at least some of them fictitious) about a gentile who was left to die so as not to desecrate Shabbat, or a raped priest’s wife who was compelled along with her husband to separate; these sparked a stormy debate and harsh criticism of halakha and its adherents.
The underlying assumption of these critiques was that such directives reflect indifference on the part of halakhists to moral values. As we saw above, this is a logical error. The religious arsenal includes religious values in addition to moral ones, and sometimes when a conflict arises between them we act in a non-moral manner. That does not mean we are indifferent to morality; it means that sometimes it is overridden by a religious value. A secular person has only moral values and no religious ones, so he does not understand that the religious person faces a conflict and interprets it as indifference to morality. But that is a mistake, since he judges the religious person by his own values (=the secular critic’s; see Column 372 on criticizing a person according to his own premises). One must understand that if the critic were attacking my commitment to religious values, that would be a legitimate debate like any other. But there the sense was that the secular critique did not attack my commitment to religious values but rather my lack of commitment to moral values. That is, there was a sense that the religious are immoral even by their own lights. This is, as noted, a logical error.
Let me now return to the halakhic categories and move to the first.
The Meaning of the First Category
The interesting question that remains is: what is the meaning of the first category (the moral halakhot)? From the existence of such a category one might conclude that halakha includes both morality and religious values. That is, apparently we arrive at the second approach, according to which halakha includes morality and therefore contains both moral and religious values. But I wish to argue something more radical: halakha and morality are two independent categories. There is no inherent link between them, and therefore morality is not included in halakha but is external to it. This, of course, leads us to the question of the meaning of the moral halakhot.
I already noted that even in halakhot belonging to this category there are differences between them and morality. As I understand it, this means that even these halakhot do not strive to realize moral values but religious ones. When the Torah forbids murder it does not intend to inform us that murder is morally reprehensible, but that it is halakhically prohibited. It was morally reprehensible even before the command (as I noted regarding Cain), and the Torah wished to say that one who murders transgresses also a religious prohibition and not only a moral one. Therefore there are differences between the moral judgment of one who murders and the halakhic judgment of him. If he killed by indirect causation (grama), he is morally a scoundrel no less than any ordinary murderer. But there is no religious transgression in such a case (at least not a full transgression of “You shall not murder”). There is some practical overlap between these two categories (both forbid the same acts, with certain differences), but there is no reason to assume that the overlap will be complete or that it indicates categorical identity. If halakha does not strive for moral values, there is no reason to think the halakhic parameters of the prohibition of murder must coincide with the parameters of the moral prohibition.
Thus, the differences in the parameters of the first-category prohibitions between halakha and morality prove that halakha is indeed indifferent to morality. That does not mean that the Torah or God is indifferent to morality. In Column 456 I showed that the authority of morality is based on divine legislation, and without it morality has no force. I noted here that the Torah itself writes “Do what is right and good,” meaning that one must act morally. But that verse is not counted among the commandments according to any of the enumerators I know. The meaning is that morality is indeed God’s will and the Torah’s will, but it is not part of halakha. The conclusion is that God’s will is divided into two distinct, independent categories: religious values (that is halakha) and moral values. This is very close to approach 2 above, except that here morality is external to halakha. It is an additional category, beyond halakha, within the divine will or the Torah’s will.
This returns us to an earlier remark. By definition, morality is universal. There is no Jewish morality and another morality. There is morality, and it obligates all people according to the same criteria and values. What is distinctive about Judaism is halakha—only halakha. The moral component in the Torah’s value-arsenal is universal, and only the halakhic component (the religious values) is particularistic. I will return to this in the appendix.
We can now answer a question many have asked: Why did the Torah need to command prohibitions such as murder, theft, and other moral prohibitions (the so-called “rational commandments”)? Seemingly, all these were known and binding even before the command; what does the command add? Recall that Cain was reproached for murder even before there was a command. To my mind, none of the proposed answers is convincing. In the picture I describe, however, the answer is very simple and natural: the command is needed to say that there is also a religious prohibition here and not only a moral one (and consequently a halakhic punishment). Without the command there would have been only a moral prohibition. In this picture the question does not arise at all. “Rational commandments” do not mean the command is superfluous; rather, that we would have performed the act even absent its definition as a command—but then it would not be a commandment, only a good deed (like the commandments the Patriarchs kept before the Torah was given).
The conclusion is that the motivation to perform these acts also changes: after the command, when I refrain from murder or help another, I am to do so also out of commitment to the halakhic command, not only from moral motive. Commandments require intention (kavanah), even the moral commandments. These too are commandments, not (only) moral values. Of course I do them also because of the moral imperative (which is also God’s will), and therefore I should have a double motivation. This does not necessarily address what should be in my consciousness at the moment of performance, but rather the principled motivation. There is nothing problematic in the claim that a person acts or refrains from acting on both motives together. The upshot is this: even if I were not committed to morality, I would do this; and in such a case, even if my conscious motive is moral, I am considered to have fulfilled a commandment. Conversely, if I would do it even if there were no halakhic command, then I can be seen as a moral person.
Yefat To’ar (The Captive Woman)
In Column 15 I dealt with the permission to rape a gentile captive woman in war (the law of “eshet yefat to’ar”). There I argued that the fact that there is no halakhic prohibition does not mean the Torah is indifferent to it on the moral plane. My claim was that this permission only means there is no halakhic prohibition, but morally the Torah’s attitude to such an act can be entirely negative. Hence a halakhic decisor asked about it should answer: indeed there is no halakhic prohibition here, but morally it is absolutely forbidden.
It would seem that the Sages already allude to this when they say the Torah spoke here “against the evil inclination”—that is, this is a reprehensible act permitted only because war must focus on the enemy and not on the soldier’s urges. The assumption is that prohibiting it would harm the soldiers’ ability to fight, and therefore the Torah permitted it. The natural conclusion for a situation in which we can demand restraint from soldiers, as is accepted today, is that there is certainly no place for such a halakhic permission. But that still does not say what I am saying here, because that argument addresses only the halakhic plane and does not address the moral question. On the contrary, one might infer that halakha does care about morality, and only here it permits this moral issue because of considerations of morale and warfare.
But that is a mistake. As I noted there, the Sages and the commentators in this passage are not addressing the rape of the captive. The problem of rape hardly troubles any of them. The problem they address is the halakhic prohibition of intercourse with a gentile woman. That is the problem the commentators see in this permission, and only of that do they speak when they say the permission was given post factum, “against the evil inclination.” The moral prohibition of rape does not arise in the passage there and does not trouble the Sages, commentators, or decisors. One could claim this shows indifference to morality (or prattle about a lofty “Jewish morality” no one understands), but to my mind it is more reasonable that this silence indicates an understanding that halakha deals only with the religious aspects and not with the moral ones. In the religious aspect (intercourse with a gentile), there is a permission against the evil inclination, but the moral aspect (rape) is left to our understanding and decision, and halakha does not address it. Not because it is unimportant, but because it is a different, extra-halakhic category.
Two Sources
This thesis seems to me simple as an egg—and in fact quite necessary. The alternatives do not sit well with the facts (halakhic) and with logic. For some reason, however, many people recoil from the conception I presented here, and so I will bring two sources that support it (see also here): the Ran in his Derashot, Derush 11, and the Maharal in Be’er HaGolah, whose main points I cited above with omissions I will now complete.
The Ran writes there, among other things, as follows:
But in my eyes the plain meaning of the verse is as follows. It is known that humankind needs a judge to judge among its members, for otherwise each person would swallow his fellow alive and the world would be ruined. Every nation needs a civil order for this, to the point that a sage said that even a band of robbers agreed among themselves to practice righteousness. Israel needs this no less than other nations. In addition, they also need it for another reason: to uphold the laws of the Torah, and to punish those liable for lashes and those liable for capital punishment who transgress the laws of the Torah, even though the particular transgression entails no loss to civil order at all. And there is no doubt that in each of these two aspects circumstances will arise—one requiring the punishment of a certain person according to true justice, and another where it would not be fitting to punish him according to true just judgment, but it would be necessary to punish him for the sake of maintaining civil order and according to the needs of the time. The Blessed One designated each of these aspects for a distinct office and commanded that judges be appointed to judge true just judgment, as it says, “They shall judge the people with righteous judgment,” meaning: the judges are appointed for this—what is the scope of their authority? Their whole purpose is to judge the people with true just judgment in itself, and their authority does not extend beyond that. And because civil order is not perfected by this alone, God completed its correction with the commandment of the king.
And we will further clarify this by positing one side of the matter: We learned (Sanhedrin 40b): “Do you recognize him? … Did you warn him? … Did he accept the warning? … Did he kill within k’dei dibbur?” There is no doubt that all this is appropriate from the perspective of just judgment: why should a person be executed if he did not know that he entered into an act carrying capital liability, transgressed it, and accepted upon himself the warning? Hence the requirement of accepting the warning and all the other matters taught in that baraita; this is true just judgment in itself, entrusted to the judges. But if transgressors would be punished only in this way, the civil order would be ruined entirely—murderers would multiply and not fear punishment. Therefore the Blessed One commanded, for the sake of the world’s maintenance, to appoint a king, as it is written (Deut. 17:14–15), “When you come to the land… you shall surely set a king over you,” which is a command that we appoint a king over ourselves, as received from our Sages (Sanhedrin 20b). And the king may judge without warning, according to what he deems necessary for the civil polity.
Thus, the appointment of the king is the same in Israel as in other nations who need civil order, while the appointment of judges is special and more needed in Israel—as it says, “They shall judge the people with righteous judgment,” meaning that the appointment of judges and their authority is to judge the people with judgments truly just in themselves.
And I further explain: just as our Torah is set apart from the codes of the nations by commandments and statutes that are not concerned with civil order at all, but whose outcome is the resting of divine influx upon our nation and its cleaving to us—whether this is visible to our eyes, as in matters of sacrifices and everything done in the Temple, or whether it is not visible, as with other statutes whose reasons have not been revealed—nonetheless there is no doubt that the divine influx adhered to us and rested upon those actions, even though they are far from rational grasp. Nor is this surprising, for just as we are ignorant of many natural causes, and yet their existence is certain, how much more should we accept that we do not grasp the causes of the resting of the divine influx and its cleaving to us. And this is what distinguishes our holy Torah from the codes of the nations, which have no business in this at all, but only in correcting their civil polity.
Therefore I hold—and it should be believed—that just as the statutes have no role in correcting civil order and are an essential proximate cause of the resting of the divine influx, so too the judgments of the Torah have a great role, as if they are shared between causing the resting of the divine influx upon our nation and the correction of our civil polity. And it is possible that they inclined more toward that which is loftier in value than toward the correction of our polity, for that correction the king whom we appoint over us will complete, whereas the judges and the Sanhedrin had as their goal to judge the people with truly just judgment in itself, from which the divine matter would cleave to us—even if our mass polity would be thereby completed or not completed. Consequently, it is possible that in some of the judgments and laws of those nations there is something closer to correcting civil order than is found in some of the judgments of the Torah. We lose nothing by this, for whatever is lacking in that correction the king will complete. But we have a great advantage over them, for since they are just in themselves—that is, the laws of the Torah, as Scripture says, “They shall judge the people with righteous judgment”—the divine influx will cleave to us.
The Ran explains that ordinary legal systems aim to achieve justice and morality and to create a proper society, whereas halakha also seeks the “resting of the divine influx,” i.e., the Shekhinah dwelling in Israel. In my terminology, that is what I called “religious values.” From this he infers that foreign legal systems can be more complete in the moral dimension than the halakhic system, since the latter operates under additional constraints (religious values). A system that strives to achieve more values will realize each of them less well than a system that strives for only some of them—as in “All my days I was defeated only by a specialist.” Likewise, a non-kosher restaurant need not be worse than its kosher counterpart: if the kosher dish is tastier, the non-kosher restaurant will serve it; but if the kosher dish is less tasty, the kosher restaurant cannot serve the tastier non-kosher dish. One who seeks both taste and kashrut will attain each less fully (given a fixed budget). So, religious values restrict the possibility of fully realizing moral values; hence in the case of a raped priest’s wife the halakhic outcome does not accord with morality, and similarly regarding saving the life of a gentile on Shabbat or the killing of Amalekite infants. All these are limitations that religious values impose on our moral conduct and do not allow us to implement it fully. But this does not indicate moral inferiority compared to other systems or to secular people or gentiles; rather, it reflects our commitment to a broader array of values. Our commitment to morality is complete—only that we are also committed to religious values.
A similar picture appears in the words of the Maharal cited above. We saw that he notes that in the laws of returning lost property—which belong to the first (moral) category—there are differences, sometimes leniencies and sometimes stringencies, vis-à-vis the moral norm of returning a loss. I will now complete the omissions (the underlined lines complete the gaps in the quotation above), and you will see that the explanation is precisely the picture I described here and that also emerged in the Ran’s derashot:
In Bava Metzia ch. 2 (21b) they said there that one is not required to return a lost item after the owner’s despair. This seems far-fetched to people: that a person takes what is not his, for which he did not toil or trouble himself, and covets another’s property. This is not in accordance with the “religion of civility,” for that code obligates returning the lost item even after the owner has despaired of it.
And the reason is that the “religion of civility” obligates what ought to be done for the sake of the world’s order, even if reason does not require that act—only that such is the world’s order. Therefore that code sometimes has stringency in a matter, even if according to reason and straight judgment it need not be done. And sometimes the “religion of civility” is very lenient when the matter need not be done for the world’s order, even if it is not fitting according to reason—but only according to that code.
Therefore according to the “religion of civility” one must return a lost item after the owner’s despair—and that is a stringency. Conversely, if one found silver or gold vessels and announced them once or twice and no one claimed the loss for a year or two, he keeps them and uses them, for there is no “repair of the world” after he has announced them several times and waited a year or two or more; no one will come.
But this is not in accordance with the Torah, for if one found silver or gold vessels and announced them many times, they are forbidden to him forever; they must remain deposited until Elijah comes; he must never touch them. See how very strict they were.
All this is because the words of the Sages are in accordance with the Torah. For all the words of the Torah are measured by reason, and what reason requires is what must be done. As the Torah said (Deut. 4): “You shall keep and do [them], for it is your wisdom….” It is not a “religion of civility” that leaves things to conventional opinion and thought; the Torah is entirely rational and does not turn to mere conventional reasoning.
In his confusing terminology, “reason” is Torah and “civility” is morality. The Torah turns to truth, even if it does not align with moral conventions. The truth he speaks of is what I called “religious values.” He claims, just like the Ran, that sometimes halakha is stricter than morality and sometimes more lenient. In any case, it is distinct and does not coincide with it.
His terminology is very confusing because he detaches morality from reason. Seemingly, his words imply that the Torah is reason and morality is emotion or convention (the “notorious,” not the “intelligible”—see Column 177 and the comments that follow). That is, of course, not correct, since morality’s source is in reason and not in emotion (one who thinks it stems from emotion is not speaking of morality but of various conditionings imprinted in us). This terminology likely rests on the fact that although morality’s authority does not derive from emotion, it indeed resides in our natural sentiments (including emotions), whereas halakha is an intellectual matter, cold and seemingly alien to natural feeling, and therefore sometimes requires overcoming our moral feelings. But in my understanding this is only terminology, not essence. In any case, note that these statements are made with respect to moral halakhot (returning lost property), where even there a dimension exists of the resting of divine influx beyond morality and social repair. The conclusions regarding halakha as a whole (the other two categories) seem self-evident.
Some Caveats to the Halakha–Morality Dichotomy
The absolute separation I drew between halakha and morality is correct on the theoretical, categorical plane. But moral considerations can touch halakha as well, and I think when we find statements by decisors that take moral considerations into account, they belong to one of the exceptions below. I must preface that I am not claiming all decisors agree with the picture I described here—certainly not consciously (in my view, subconsciously most of them agree, at least when speaking offhand). I claim that those who disagree are mistaken; but my concern here is to argue that even in my picture there is room for moral statements by decisors, at least in the situations I will describe. Of course, not every actual statement by a decisor will fit this, since there are decisors who hold a different stance regarding halakha and morality (and who, in my view, are wrong). I will try to outline these exceptions briefly:
As a rule, because of the disconnect between the halakhic and moral categories, I think that in principle we are dealing with moral statements rather than pure halakhic determinations. My claim is that when a decisor makes a moral statement, he does not mean that this is the halakha, but that this is how one ought to act because of the moral consideration despite the halakhic conclusion—though this can also enter the halakhic plane. This can happen in several situations:
- When halakha is lenient and morality is stringent, as in returning a lost item after the owner’s despair. There is no prohibition to take the item after despair—only permission for the finder to take it. Morality can prevail and dictate that we not take it. In such a case it is important to understand that this is not a halakhic directive but a moral one, and still it is obligatory for anyone loyal to the Torah.
- Even when halakha is stricter than morality, there can be cases where halakha allows several options and, absent the moral consideration, we would rule stringently (e.g., due to rules of doubt), but the moral consideration can tip the scales to act otherwise. This can be understood in several ways. For example: indeed the halakhic determination is stringency due to doubt, but in such cases morality overrides halakha. Alternatively, one can say that a determination “from doubt to stringency” is an instruction given in the absence of another deciding consideration; but if we have a deciding consideration by virtue of which we can choose one of the paths, the laws of doubt do not apply, and then halakha itself recognizes the path chosen for moral reasons. Something like this can explain leniency in times of great need (sha’at ha-dehak), even though, ostensibly, in a doubt involving a Torah law we should be stringent (I described this mechanism in detail in my article “On Leniency and Stringency”).
- At times such a statement can appear in “a transgression for its own sake” (aveirah lishmah; see Nazir 23b; Horayot 10b)—that is, in cases where the moral wrong is enormous compared to the halakhic transgression, and then halakha is set aside. This, too, is not a halakhic instruction but a case where moral values override halakha (see my article here).
It is reported in the name of the Chazon Ish that every decisor should be aware that there is a “fifth part” to the Shulchan Aruch. It is not entirely clear to me what he means. It is fairly clear he is speaking of extra-halakhic considerations that should influence the halakhic decision, but these can play out in several ways, as noted above. Usually the decision in such cases is not halakhic but moral (except for the second situation I described).
In addition to the above, there are situations where the Sages enact or decree rabbinic laws for moral considerations. In such a case they insert the moral principle into halakha—but only as a rabbinic law. These are cases like “coercing against the trait of Sodom” (Bava Batra 12a), or the ordinance for penitents and various other enactments. In such cases, an enactment by a competent body—that is, the Sanhedrin (but not a decisor)—can transform a moral principle into halakha. Note that the very need for an enactment proves the disconnect between the two categories and their dichotomy. In cases where there was no enactment by a competent body, the Sages can still recommend and even coerce, but that will not turn the norm into halakha. Thus, for example, regarding returning a lost item after despair, the Shulchan Aruch records an obligation to return and even coercion, yet it remains a standard “beyond the letter of the law,” not a law proper. The source is Bava Metzia 30b, and it is cited in the Shulchan Aruch and decisors as a duty beyond the letter of the law. For additional cases, see a review here.
So much for the picture regarding the relationship between halakha and morality. Along the way I repeatedly relied on the claim that there is no “Jewish morality,” and in the appendix I will elaborate a bit on that.
Appendix: Is There “Jewish Morality”?
I mentioned above the popular thesis of “Jewish morality.” Many use it to explain halakhot that seem contrary to morality and perhaps also the a-moral laws. Their claim is that underlying these laws stand moral principles that do not accord with accepted morality. This is a lofty, exalted “Jewish morality” not understood by us—only by the Master of the Universe. To my mind, this thesis is not only incorrect; it reflects conceptual confusion.
The intent is to a different morality that emerges from the Torah, as opposed to the morality accepted by “the wicked gentiles.” But this raises the question whether the gentiles themselves are also supposed to conduct themselves according to “Jewish morality,” or whether there are different moral directives for Jews and for gentiles. In other words: is this a Jewish moral theory that obligates every human being who is bound by morality, or is it a moral theory for Jews? Does the adjective “Jewish” refer to the morality’s source or to its addressees?
If gentiles are also supposed to act this way, then there is no “Jewish morality”; there is simply correct morality, and the claim is that the correct morality is that which emerges from the Torah (on the questionable assumption that anything of the sort truly emerges). That is no different from any moral dispute between people or groups. It is therefore hard to call such a thesis “Jewish morality.” But if the meaning is that truly there are different moral rules for Jews and gentiles, then we are speaking of a “Jewish morality” that stands opposed to the human conscience, for the conscience of Jews and gentiles is quite similar (with differences no greater than those among Jews themselves or among gentiles themselves). But if so, why call this “morality” rather than simply “halakha”? It is mere wordplay. In effect they are telling us that the Torah indeed runs counter to our moral conscience and its rules do not fit it, but still, as Jews, we must follow it. That is precisely what I described here—except that in my terminology this is halakha, whereas they call it “Jewish morality.” It is just semantics, for both they and I agree there is a contradiction between halakha and morality (i.e., what arises from our natural conscience).
Take, for example, one of the anti-moral halakhot mentioned above: the obligation that a raped priest’s wife separate from her husband. Does anyone seriously claim that “Jewish morality” obligates such a separation? Is anyone prepared to accept the claim that there is no moral problem with such an obligation? Any rational person agrees there is a problem here: a woman who suffered a horrific trauma through no fault of her own is now put, along with her family, through another trauma—perhaps worse. In my view, the religious value overrides the moral wrong; but what do the proponents of “Jewish morality” say here—that true morality dictates they separate? What does that have to do with “morality”? This approach simply labels religious principles as “morality,” without changing anything about their alienation from what is ordinarily called morality. The key question, beyond semantics, is whether we have here “override” (dechuya) or “permission” (hutrah): is the obligation of the priest’s wife to separate accompanied by a moral cost or not? To my mind, decidedly yes; I cannot understand a view that denies this.
Another example is the return of lost property discussed by the Maharal. The proponents of “Jewish morality” would say that lofty, hidden “Jewish morality” dictates that once the owner has despaired there is no moral value in returning his lost item—contrary to the moral imperative arising from our shared conscience that if something is his, it is right to return it. If so, this is simply an error of our conscience (and of the wicked gentiles), and how good that halakha corrects it. But how will they square this with the fact that the Sages and all the decisors agree that morality requires returning the item even after despair? The Talmud itself and all the decisors after it establish that there is a moral obligation to return a lost item after despair, and according to some even coercion—yet in the laws of returning lost property there is no such obligation. This obligation is defined as “beyond the letter of the law.” Why? If the law expresses “Jewish morality,” and if “Jewish morality” (assuming the Sages reflect it) tells us to return a lost item even after despair, I would expect that the laws of lost property would not address the owner’s despair at all. Why does halakha establish that there is no halakhic obligation to return a lost item after despair, while morally there is such an obligation? This is an excellent illustration that “Jewish morality” is not different from universal morality and does not coincide with halakha. The meaning is that Judaism is committed to universal human morality, and what is distinctive in Judaism is only halakha.
Note that the Torah tells us “Do what is right and good,” without specifying what that means. Is its intent merely to command us again to keep halakha? That sounds very strange. Not for nothing do the Ramban there and the Magid Mishneh at the end of Hilkhot Shekhenim explain that this is an obligation to act beyond the letter of the law—that is, according to morality beyond halakha.[4] Note two points regarding this command: (1) This obligation is not counted among the 613 commandments and therefore not part of halakha. (2) Nowhere is it detailed what “right and good” is. The assumption is that we all understand it, apparently by our conscience (cf. the Sages’ statement that had the Torah not been given we would have learned modesty from the cat, etc.—Eruvin 100b). And the obligation to the conscience—that is, morality—does not belong to halakha. It is an extra-halakhic obligation. The conclusion is that “Jewish morality” is nothing other than a commitment to universal human conscience, as R. Kook wrote in several places (prominently in his siddur Olat Re’iyah on the Akedah passage; see Columns 140 and 333, and also in our book Yishlach Shoreshav, in the article on the Fourth Root), though the point is self-evident without him as well.
Moreover, the very tension between halakha or Torah and morality indicates there is no “Jewish morality.” The “Jewish morality” thesis assumes there is a Jewish morality whose source is the Torah rather than our conscience, and it assumes that if it contradicts conscience we must adopt it as our moral principle (for it is the correct morality, at least for us). If so, however, dilemmas and tensions between Torah and morality should not arise. When we would encounter a Torah principle that contradicts morality, there would be no need to reconcile them: we would simply conclude we have uncovered another error in our morality (conscience’s delusions) and discovered another facet of the exalted “Jewish morality.” The very need to reconcile such difficulties tells us that universal morality (the voice of conscience) has independent authority and is not learned from the Torah.[5] It is no wonder that it is clear to all of us that when we see something in the Torah that contradicts our conscience, it requires resolution.
To speak of “Jewish morality” is roughly like speaking of Jewish physics, Jewish physiology, or Jewish logic (and no—the “auditory reason” of R. Ha-Nazir has universal authority and is “Jewish” only in its source). In Column 457 I argued that moral laws are on a footing similar to the laws of logic (as opposed to the laws of nature), and therefore even God is bound by them. If so, it is obvious there is no place for multiple moral theories—Jewish and other.
[1] Whenever I needed a more detailed link I referred to Column 15, so you can search the site for “Column 15” and find the places where I addressed the relationship between halakha and morality.
[2] I am not certain this truly constitutes idolatry, but neither am I certain it does not. The idol one worships can also be wood and stone—so why should one not be liable for serving an abstract idol? In Column 456 I explained that moral obligation cannot exist without a source of authority that grants it force; if that source is not God, then there is a second, parallel authority. Still, a person can err and be committed to moral rules without thinking there is an entity that gives them authority. That is indeed an error, but there is still room to argue that such a person is not engaged in idolatrous “partnership.”
[3] That is the view of most decisors. I disagree; in my view, today there is permission—and even an obligation—to save the life of a gentile on Shabbat. But here I am merely illustrating the logic.
[4] In this context, it is interesting to see the dispute between the Rambam in his Fourth Root and the Ramban in his glosses there regarding the command “You shall be holy.” The Rambam interprets it as a general command covering all the commandments, and what is not counted is due to redundancy; the Ramban counters that such redundancy is impossible, but he does not repeat his claim at the beginning of Parashat Kedoshim that it forbids being a “scoundrel with the Torah’s permission.” See on the “scoundrel paradox” in Column 528 and elsewhere, and in our book Yishlach Shoreshav, in the article on the Fourth Root.
[5] Yet God is needed to grant it authority. See Columns 456–457.
If there is indeed a disconnect between the levels, then you need to go back and explain how in practice there is almost complete inclusion as you noted. Clearly, all the main moral laws are included in the Torah, and the exceptions are in extreme cases and the words of the Sages. For the separation method, it is a wonder that there is such a great overlap and that the Torah as it is already covers to a very large extent the conditions necessary for reasonable behavior and a satisfactory social order. This seems to be a strong argument against the separation method (in the eyes of the mitzvah of the Torah and in the eyes of the Sages).
Regarding do and don't do, when you categorically separated the almost overlapping levels of do-not and do-not, then you did offer a certain idea of how in practice there is such a great overlap (that in the way of the material world, achieving profits requires doing). In the separation between substantive and formal authority, the meaning of the practical overlap is self-evident. But in the separation between law and morality, a dilemma remains.
I think we've already talked about this. First, the overlap could be coincidental. It's not that great. Maybe the inclusion is great, but not the overlap. Beyond that, when I say that the law of “Thou shalt not kill” is religious, it doesn't necessarily mean that something you do is different from morality. It's certainly possible that a moral or anti-moral action itself has religious implications, and hence the overlap. That's what creates the mistake in people of identifying religious values with morality.
Think of this like my words about global compatibility. For example, compatibility between the simple and the complex, or between the laws of nature and the laws of theology. God created the world to operate according to fixed natural laws. But He also has some theological goals (for example, that the righteous should not suffer), and the laws of nature are designed to achieve them. So why doesn't this always happen? Because global compatibility is prone to topological defects (local inconsistencies). It is impossible to achieve perfect global compatibility. I gave an example of this: the compatibility between a Cartesian and polar coordinate system, the compatibility between which breaks at the beginning (there are an infinite number of polar points that correspond to the Cartesian origin of the coordinates). This is what creates a topological defect.
The same is true of the compatibility between moral values and religious values. God created His world with the intention that religious goals would be achieved in a way that is consistent with moral rules. But this is a global correspondence (because not every moral law corresponds to a religious value or vice versa), and therefore inconsistencies inevitably arise. This is the anomaly that we find in moral laws, and this is also the origin of the anti-moral and non-moral laws beyond the general correspondence that you described regarding morality. It is enough that there are small inconsistencies to show that these are two different categories. The overlap stems from the fact that the divine will was for there to be a correspondence between the categories, but not that they are the same category.
My response below (which begins with “Is the argument”) was sent before I saw your response.
I understand that according to you, the abstract principles of morality and halakha preceded the world, but God, in the framework of His freedom to choose the structure of the material world, chose a world in which the principles would almost converge in practice, and this is the best of all possible worlds in terms of the correspondence between morality and halakha? (I have no direct arguments against this speculation, although I am not sure I have digested it yet).
[I find it difficult to accept the methodology that you summarized “It is enough that there are small discrepancies to show that these are two different categories”. An explanation must explain the whole picture, both the correspondence and the inconsistency. I understand that the intention is that explaining inconsistency between two equal categories is impossible, while explaining correspondence between two different categories is open to suggestions, and that is understandable to me, but the correspondence really needs to be explained. And if there is no explanation for the match, then we can only conclude that something is wrong, maybe there is an error in the law, maybe we have an error in morality, maybe the sages made a mistake, maybe or maybe]
This is very logical. If the world is in his hands, why would he create a world with conflicts that would be a religious problem and a moral value or vice versa? Clearly, there is an aspiration to reduce the differences as much as possible.
The compatibility does not need an explanation, as I explained. God would certainly want as much compatibility as possible.
He can avoid conflicts by creating a world where the halakhic commands are completely foreign to the moral commands, where the halakhic law deals with when and how it is permissible to scratch one's third nostril, and morality deals with its own affairs. To find such a magical world where the abstract halakhic law (this is from column 379) is detailed in such a way that it almost completely contains morality, and this magical world is actually our fucked-up world, sounds strange to me.
On second thought, the more defects there are in this world, the stronger your hypothesis becomes that God (who in your opinion is good) had more and more constraints to achieve maximum adjustments on all sorts of different issues. It is still strange that the world with minimal conflicts turned out to be one in which the law contains morality and not one in which the law is alien to morality, and that there is such a world in which the law contains morality, but the emphasis on the fact that the world before us is infinitely defective in many other aspects (in my opinion) actually weakens what I came to argue.
In column 479, the verses about the need and the reward were set out to teach the entire rule that learning is not only an instrument of a mitzvah but also a mitzvah. Thus, learning is elevated as a mitzvah (and there is also a relative side-effect of learning as an instrument of a mitzvah) until one wonders why (the world was created so that) all the rest of the Torah is so practical and the main thing is subordinated to the side. Is this also a matter of global conformity with tendencies to defects (by the way, perhaps this will answer your comment there about how the scriptures come as one and teach). Or is it here that it is clear that God wanted to also gain the virtue of learning as an instrument of a mitzvah (and who even said that it is relative side-effect, etc.).
The whole idea is that it is abstract wisdom that is supposed to be applied in the world. The world was created so that it would be its reflection. Therefore, it is clear that there is also value in studying as a mitzvah instrument in order to know what to observe.
Is wisdom applied in the world at the time of performing the mitzvah with one's hands?
If the point is to derive practical instruction from the noble halakha (as you said about the unrealistic nefka of a mina), then it is not necessary for almost all of the Torah to deal with realistic things, but only for it to have a perception in the mind.
I don't understand. They want wisdom to be implemented. And even if it wasn't necessary, what's the problem with it being done?
I am the one who did not understand the meaning of the words that wisdom will be applied. The meaning is that they will be able to fulfill the commandments with their hands?
The problem is that in almost all of the Torah we see that everything is real, that is, in almost all of the Torah, the study of the Torah is precisely in things that have practical teachings that can be implemented, and therefore the claim that there are actually two completely separate things here - study of Torah as a mitzvah and study of Torah as an instrument of a mitzvah, and the special virtue of study of Torah that the Sages thus emphasized is study for its own sake - is a claim that explains the exception (see the parshas of the needy and the reward) but undermines the explanation of the general (all the rest in which the study is also in practice). How is it that most of the commandments do not deal with hypothetical cases of an elephant swallowing an Egyptian rooster, but rather with everyday scenarios of reaping the harvest of your land and not giving a scratch to a soul. Regarding the issue of halacha and morality, my conclusion is that this accidental inclusion problem greatly burdens the method of separation. And regarding the issue of studying Torah for its own sake, which for some reason is almost always done in practical mitzvot, I am trying to understand here.
I will repeat myself because I do not understand what the discussion is about and what the misunderstanding is.
My argument is that the Torah is an abstract set of principles, which should be applied in actions in the world. There is value in studying it because it is the will of God, and studying it is our adherence to His will. And of course there is also value in applying it because it is the right way to conduct ourselves in the world. What is not clear here?
And I ask about this connection between what is supposed to be implemented and learning because it is the will of God. Is the same value for learning also found in desires that cannot be implemented, such as a wayward son (and today also a red heifer and a perpetual sacrifice)?
A rebellious son is also for implementation, but the conditions imposed on him lead you to believe that this will probably not happen in practice. Just like the extermination of Amalek or sacrifices in our time. It is still the will of God (and if such a situation existed, we would also have to implement it) and there is value in studying it.
Out of desperation, I'm trying to simply ask point by point without repeating the entire question again.
A rebellious son is an unrealistic mitzvah (in the terms of the column there), meaning possible but only under very extreme conditions. Why are all the other mitzvahs realistic, is that a coincidence? Why aren't there lots of unrealistic Torah (due to technical obstacles) that we can study and willingly adhere to.
I am discouraged because I cannot understand the question, much less its connection to my arguments.
The laws are supposed to be implemented. There are some that did not succeed, such as Ben Sorer, Ir Nidachat, and others. Apparently because it was not possible to create a world in which everything is implemented. Alternatively, perhaps they are only supposed to convey an educational message and not be implemented in practice.
But why is this related to my positions? How do you yourself or anyone else explain these extraordinary laws?
I am only asking about your system (and the soul of life and probably all the t’8 in the last millennium) which says that the main thing in studying Torah is to study the Torah for its own sake as a mitzvah and not just as a tool for implementation, and this is what we learned from Ben Sorer, as Rabbi Israel Salanter said. And the question is if the greatest thing is to study the Torah for its own sake even in what is not an occasion and there is no technical possibility of fulfilling it, then why aren’t there many mitzvot like Ben Sorer that cannot be applied in practice. The whole world and the commandments are a mitzvah instrument for practical implementation, but the study of these instrumental commandments is suddenly a mitzvah in itself. One must study for its own sake things that almost all of them are about being practically applicable. So you establish a complex, etheric law that the supreme wisdom that one learns must be practically implemented by waving a lulav (perhaps its lips are in the sky). But from the perspective of studying Torah, why shouldn’t there also be many mitzvot that are not applied and in them one can fulfill the mitzvah of studying Torah day and night. It is clear that this can be solved with side additions, but my feeling is that such a large phenomenon (the phenomenon is that almost all the commandments that must be learned for their own sake and not as a means to fulfillment are those that it would be close to us to fulfill) should be required by the theory in principle.
What I am pondering is that the sages up to the Amoraim placed the main emphasis on learning in order to quickly have the opportunity to do with their hands, and not learning for the sake of knowing (wisdom) the Creator and adhering to His will and knowing the Torah, and so on. There is only a minor side virtue in learning that is not so dedicated to action, which even in this way brings the doer some reward of consolation.
Isn't the claim that "it is certainly plausible that a moral or anti-moral action in itself has religious implications" essentially the claim that the law contains morality? Then the questions return to their original position from the places where morality is stricter against the law, such as a murderer in a grave and an exemption from returning a loss after despair.
[The claim that the inclusion is accidental, meaning that by some chance all the important laws of morality and world correction (such as you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not testify falsely against your neighbor, honoring parents, covering and torturing, torts, rape, fraud, bribery, charity, judges) found their way into the law seems to me completely unreasonable (much more problematic than all the problems with the second approach, namely the thesis that in the eyes of God and the sages the law contains morality). The past speech you mentioned is here https://mikyab.net/posts/73558#comment-55131, but no non-coincidental explanation was offered there for the connection between Halacha and morality. It would be reasonable to say that Halacha contains the laws of social order and does not contain the laws of morality, but if Halacha bothered to go beyond the realm of pure Halachaic values and decided to deal with additional issues, then it is even more strange that it did not decide to deal with morality as well.]
Absolutely not. The claim that if a person commits murder, there are two problems: moral and religious. The moral is the harm to society or others, and the religious is the harm to eternity in glory (as a proverb). Therefore, it actually means that there is no dependence between the categories.
I explained that there is no need to talk about accidental inclusion, so there is no point in discussing it.
(I didn't understand the first paragraph, but I understand that the line of questioning here is no longer relevant because you explained above that the correspondence is neither accidental nor essential, but that God organized the world so that in practice maximum correspondence will be obtained. If this was also the intention in the sentence I quoted that an anti-moral action has religious implications, then what I asked is irrelevant.)
There is another possibility for the relationship between the Torah and morality that you did not mention, and it may be what some of the opinion-makers in the field, including Rabbi Kook, are referring to. According to this possibility, the purpose of the commandments is also social correction in addition to achieving closeness to God. This is not a heavenly system that is disconnected from reality, but rather a social correction that can be understood. On the other hand, this is not a system that is intended to abolish morality or include it within it. For example, in the case of a priest's wife, the explanation would be that in order to differentiate the status of the priesthood and give it prestige, a priest's wife who was raped is disqualified. Such a law is not intended to enter a moral system that a person would apply on his own accord, but only to be realized in the limited place where G-d knows that it will work for the good of society. It is possible that we will not be able to explain every such law, since we do not have a good assessment of the social implications. Alternatively, there could be a scenario in which there is a conflict between a law that has a social benefit, which causes great suffering in some of its applications.
Morality, in my opinion, is not as understood by most people. Definition of morality: Right actions and God knows what is right and what is wrong, therefore everything is moral.
Thanks for another excellent article.
I think all the confusion and embarrassment stems from errors in basic concepts.
You argued, although not here but in other columns, that our obligation to morality also stems from the basic premise that God’s will is that we be moral, and therefore when there is a contradiction, there is a contradiction between two of God’s commands. Sometimes they are decisive here and sometimes there, according to discretion.
Many people recoil when they hear this concept of consideration for morality. Because it appears in their minds as if someone came and said: Even if God has forbidden such and such or wants such and such, on the other hand, there is also our human will. And we have to compromise. If we interpret these things, it sounds as if there is a joint act of idolatry here, as you also mentioned. And in truth, the confusion stems from a conceptual error. But it twists and turns and continues like this because of a fundamental disagreement. After all, even the most pumandalist scholar there is will admit that even among the first and the last, there are cases in which human ethics rejects a halakhic prohibition (saving a life on Shabbat. The poor of the Gentiles with the poor of Israel so that enmity does not break out - all of these are two principles of preserving the lives of Israel that reject halakhic prohibitions of not comforting and the laws of observing Shabbat (searching for permission from bastards, etc.). But no. They claim that ethics can reject a commandment Halakhic when the greatest Torah or moral principle that God Almighty has announced is explicitly stated in the Torah itself. And they wonder about those who are on their left when the question is in general: Why should we consider moral questions and moral views that the Rambam Rashi and the Rabbis were not bothered by?! This means that we are adopting foreign norms that are not presented in the Torah. Hence, it is a rebellion in the kingdom of heaven. This principle approach on the right and on the other hand the apologetics on the left prevent a substantive discussion of moral norms that have been renewed in recent times. When the correct way to discuss them is, in my humble opinion, to classify it into two categories: if God Almighty did not express opposition and was not hinted at throughout the entire Torah and the Torah is complete and the Halakhic opposition to a new ethical idea from the beginning. It is very reasonable to define it as a farrah from an ethical-religious perspective. .And determine that if it is rationally correct. It is advisable as human beings to adopt it. On the other hand, if there is opposition to an ethical idea from the Torah itself (Shivron, for example, is much more hidden from the sources than confirmed). But there is a thought that in some cases this is so because of finite circumstances and not as an eternal principle, each case must be examined on its own merits and seen.
There is also a point that Professor Nadav Shnerb once raised. That it is not really possible to connect 100 percent with the concepts of Chazal and enter the minds of Amoraim and Tanais. And the interpretation was necessarily ours through the head that we are accustomed to thinking in. (That is, the very angle of the rational perspective, not the intuitive or instinctive one, is actually also “tainted by the winds of the times”).
Two final comments:
A. Many people believe that there is indeed a difference between Jewish morality and the morality of a Gentile. And they do not intend to make a linguistic mistake. But to take it literally. Rabbi Schach once wrote that the Enlightenment movement and liberation from religion is a wonderful thing for the Gentiles who need enlightenment, but on the other hand, poison for the people of Israel. Well, here we are talking about something religious rather than ethical, but in the Torah of Kings there is an explicit statement like this: We conclude that a Gentile is forbidden to harm a Gentile. And it is forbidden to harm a Jew. There is nothing to conclude from this regarding Israel's attitude towards Gentiles. Because the former are equal and the latter are not. And in general. I'm sure you too have heard people. Whether more educated or less educated. Who wish death in agony for the Iranians. For the Ukrainians. And for other historical enemies of Israel. They repeat the statement that it is morally impossible for a Jewish heart to express sorrow or help them even indirectly. And on the other hand, they are shocked to the depths of their souls when those barbaric and cruel Gentile rulers lose their humanity and slaughter their own citizens... (How are they able to reach such a low point?!).
In my opinion, when Rabbi Kook, for example, talks about higher Jewish morality, he simply does not make a distinction between the categories. He assumes that the commandment of God is good, period. Therefore, when there is a misunderstanding about that commandment, one simply needs to know that in the end, everything God does is for the benefit of the people of Israel, humanity, and justice. Which is obviously true. Therefore, in a broader perspective, killing an Amalekite child, for example, is ethical just like helping an old woman cross the road.
Even if there is a contradiction between the Sage morality and ours, there is no need to accept their morality. Their authority is only in the realm of halakhic law. Of course, if they have established a halakhic obligation, it is binding, and then we need to see if it is possible to circumvent it if it is immoral.
It is also difficult to learn values from the Torah itself. Even equality, it is not true that it is hidden. There are certain exceptions. But there are several hints in the Torah to the value of equality (and the poor shall not boast in his riches and more). I have written more than once that it is impossible to learn much from the Torah in this regard.
A. I did not understand this comment. There are clearly those who think that there is a different morality, but in my opinion they are wrong and confused. Furthermore, even those who think that there is a difference between a Jew and a Gentile do not necessarily mean that morality changes. In their opinion, a Gentile is also forbidden to harm a Jew more than a Gentile.
B. Indeed, and this lack of distinction is a mistake. See the reasons he offers in "The Confusions of the Generation," where he tries to explain moral reasons for the Torah commandments, and he does so in terms of what we call morality. But it seems to me that consistency in Rabbi Kook is created only by his commentators, not by him.
Two illuminations for Micah:
A. Regarding a beautiful woman –
The reason Chazal does not deal with the moral issue is that apparently in the past it would have seemed “to the wise” relatively moral to rape the captives of the enemy.
Just as in our time it seems “relatively moral”to the wise;for example, to conduct very painful experiments on animals (say, for the purpose of vaccination), or to despise the enemy's spoils during war.
In our time what is called “natures have changed” and something like the rape of a prisoner of war is indeed a shocking thing.
Therefore, the Torah also apparently permitted it (in very, very specific situations) because they knew that it would be difficult for the human soul to completely wean itself from it.
B. Regarding the matter of there being a moral problem in separating a priest's wife who was raped from her husband. I don't understand your answer regarding those who answer that there is a deeper moral layer.
You simply write “it doesn't seem” or “it's an empty statement” without explaining anything beyond that.
But you, who believe that there are additional layers of reality, should find it easy to accept the fact that there are other layers that are probably not perceived by our minds.
As far as I'm concerned, your statement that this is an empty argument (that there is a deeper moral majority), is exactly like saying about a soul (which has a deeper spiritual layer) that it is “an empty statement” or “it doesn't seem to you”.
Why is a deeper spiritual layer fine, but a deeper moral layer a empty statement?
A. It is certainly possible. I suspected this too. And of course morality still stands. I have written more than once that the morality of the sages is not binding. Their authority is in the realm of halakha, not in the realm of morality.
B. I explained it. The concept of morality is well known to us. To say that there are deep layers of morality means that these are not the morality that we know. So that is what I call halakha, only with a change of name. Wordplay, in a nutshell. On the other hand, when I talk about correcting deep layers in reality, it is a logical consequence of the facts and does not contradict anything that I know. There is a difference between a contradiction and a misunderstanding/knowledge, or between a difficulty and a question. When I do not understand something, there is no problem with that. It is clear that I do not understand and know everything. But when I do understand something and I am told something contradictory, I do not accept it except with clear evidence.
The sages said: “If the Torah had not been given, we would have learned modesty from a cat and theft from an ant.” etc. But I heard from the name of the Rabbi of Brisk, who was accurate and said that it was only “if the Torah had not been given.” But now that the Torah has been given, we learn all the virtues only from the Torah.
What do you think about that?
I think I just wrote a column about it, didn't I?
The sages said: “At the time of a person’s death, there is nothing left for a person to do except to give him silver, gold, precious stones, and pearls, but only Torah and good deeds.” etc. I heard in my name, which I was precise in saying, proves that good deeds are not part of the Torah.
What do you think about that?
You remind me of the accuracy I heard in my name “about the righteous and the Hasidim”, and hence Hasidim are not righteous.
Torah and good deeds can also be interpreted as studying Torah and fulfilling mitzvot. And even if these are not mitzvot deeds but just good deeds, they are part of the Torah “and doing what is right and good”. They are just not part of the Halacha.
And in general, why don't the mitzvot accompany a person? Why only Torah and good deeds?
And if the halakha does not command killing Amalekite children or raping a beautiful woman (as the Hebrews did)?
I do not oppose your move. On the contrary, I agree with it very much, but we must not provoke controversy.
Absolutely true. I brought examples to illustrate. Indeed, the commentators/poskim do their best to minimize the dissonance between halakha and morality, and that is perfectly fine. I wrote it. At least as long as it is convincing on a certain level (holds water). I hope to touch on this in the next column.
Yesterday, a guest from Africa, a relic of a magnificent cannibal tribe, landed at my house [he came here because some Mazurnik rabbis are sure that he is from the Ten Tribes]. He read the article with great pleasure but at the end he asked me what morality is, would the Honorable Rabbi Gaon deign to answer him [and me]
And on a less serious note…
You wrote that ”it is clear to each of us what is moral and what is not” Do you really believe this joke? Do you think that a hundred years ago it was clear to everyone that morality requires women to have the right to vote, that two hundred years ago it was clear to everyone that slavery is immoral, that five hundred years ago it was clear to everyone that it is immoral to kill infidels?
I was waiting for the question about cannibals to come, and I also knew that it would be phrased in a mocking and arrogant tone with complete confidence, as if an unexpected rabbit had been pulled out of a hat. A real knockout. So here it is, to my disappointment. I thought that here on the site the surfers were more intelligent. But since I estimate that there will still be a few more surfers here who will wonder about this (as I said, I anticipated that this question would come), I will answer it anyway.
There is a very broad agreement about moral principles, such as murder, theft, helping others, and the like. This agreement crosses places and periods. Even when there are arguments, they are mainly about applications and not about the principles themselves. Any Nazi or cannibal will tell you that murder is prohibited. But they will make an exception for creatures that they do not consider to be human (Jews and gypsies), or those who threaten your existence (Jews) or enemies from neighboring tribes when they are hungry (the cannibals). Therefore, relying on differences between places and periods to prove moral relativity is ridiculous and demagogic, even if widespread and expected. The very fact that debates about morality are taking place is the best proof that there are very broad agreements at the base. Otherwise, there would be no point in arguing because there is no moral system at all and no basis for discussion.
But none of this is relevant to the discussion. Anyone who is troubled by problems of halacha and morality assumes that there are moral principles that halacha is supposed to conform to. This column is addressed to him. If someone like Maran Rabbi Gaon Aryeh Shalit”a thinks that separating a raped woman from her husband, failing to save a life, or murdering infants are moral acts, then he is probably not one of the recipients of this column.
By the way, if the first paragraph you wrote is considered serious writing to you, I would not want to read a paragraph that is not serious.
Good news.
By the way, according to your logic about women's suffrage and slavery, there is no correct physics either, because if you had asked someone two hundred years ago about the theories of relativity and quantum mechanics, they would have sneered at themselves with disdain.
Since most of your response concerns style, I will answer that first and when I have time I will address the substance
A. There is something called emotional intelligence, for example, the ability to distinguish between humor and sarcasm is emotional intelligence
B. Where did you see the words confidence and arrogance, I really meant to say that the discussion lacks the initial definition of what morality is
C. I accept the a priori assumption that anyone who disagrees with you or disparages your words is not intelligent [yes, that's mocking]
D. The fact that I ask what morality is does not mean that I do not recognize its existence or that I am not bothered by the incompatibility of the Halacha with it, just as if I ask what physics is does not mean that I do not recognize the existence of physics [that is already intellectual intelligence and yes, that's mocking]
E. Regarding the "serious tone", I have already mentioned that there is a concept called humor, and besides, the envelope was humorous, but the question itself was serious and it is what morality is, which is the conceptual framework for the entire discussion, and to that you answered that there is broad agreement on the principles of morality but you did not answer what morality is, I will clarify what the moral imperative is and not what it is a commandment
F. As far as my level of unintelligence goes, it seems to me that the Nazis called universal morality degenerate Jewish morality, while they advocated
the natural selection in which The strong survive, meaning that the murder of the weak by the strong is moral according to their abominable opinion
H. To my surprise, it seems from your blunt response that you are offended by my words, so I sincerely apologize that I did not mean that.
I didn't understand your need to say that the Torah operates on a completely different plane than morality. You showed that there are commandments that ’contradict’moral’ and therefore there is a dimension that is not ‘moral’ in the commandments and you called it ‘religious’. But your evidence that there are details of halakhic law in moral commandments that do not seem so correct to you is very weak proof (in my opinion) that there is no connection between Torah and morality.
Why can't it be said that even the commandments that seem immoral are not moral in a specific way (a priest's wife will be hurt, a baby will die, etc.) but are correct and therefore also moral in the general picture. Therefore, even if the commandment is immoral in itself, it does not mean that it is ‘immoral’ because a more general need prevails, as you yourself stated.
It's hard to think of a non-controversial issue, but let's say killing innocent people to prevent greater harm later, that's doing something 'immoral' for tactical considerations, and therefore I actually consider the act moral. So what's the problem with saying that the Torah's commandments include moral considerations ("halakhah contains morality"), but when there are considerations that prevail, it doesn't mean that the commandment is immoral because it is moral in the overall picture.
I built the argument in stages, and therefore it is not right to dwell on any one detail of it. First of all, I proved (from the second category) that the Torah has non-moral, but religious values. Second, if this is the case, there is no reason why there should be a conflict between these. On the contrary, it would be very surprising if there were not, since there are also conflicts between moral values. From here I continued and argued that there is no need to find a solution for the immoral laws (the third category). And I concluded by saying that even in the moral laws (the first category), the differences from morality can be explained in the same way, and therefore there is no need to resort to non-existent excuses.
For some reason, you prefer the thesis regarding the third category that you want to achieve a moral value in general even if the details contradict this (because they come to achieve a religious value), but there is no need for this (in light of the previous stages of the argument) and it also does not stand the test of logic. What moral value does the separation of a priest's wife from her husband or the failure to save a Gentile on Shabbat achieve? This is clearly a religious value.
Making general statements about a general picture is vague. If you have an alternative suggestion, be concrete.
On the contrary, I very much agree with you that it could be that it is about achieving a religious value rather than a moral one. I just don't understand why there needs to be a complete difference between them. It seems to me as if you want to force a separation. Why not say that in every mitzvah all moral and religious considerations were taken into account and the conclusion sometimes comes out moral and sometimes religious depending on what G-d saw as more important in that mitzvah?
This is completely equivalent to what I wrote. Just a change in wording.
A. « This does not mean that the Torah or God are indifferent to moral values. Of course, morality is important to them (“And you shall do what is right and good,” etc.), but the religious value outweighs the harm to moral value. » But God, as an omnipotent, good, and perfect God, why wouldn’t He do things so that we can reach the religious value without harming moral value?
B. Since action x is moral because God gave it validity, it follows that now that He is interested in action y (in order to achieve the religious value in it) that contradicts action x, x again has no validity, so can we still say that it still has morality?
A. There are things that are impossible even for God. That is why natural evil is created in the world. You can search here on the site for natural evil, I have explained this several times.
B. You assume that an action is moral because God wants it. This is one side of Euthyphro's dilemma, and the less logical side (see at length in column 457).
Hello!
The full verse is “And you shall do what is right and good in the sight of the Lord…”. Why do you choose to make the meaning of the words right and good synonymous with morality as you understand it? In my opinion, the verse can be understood as good in the sight of the Lord’ which is the fulfillment of His commandments, and in any case, it is not possible to place a commandment to be moral here.
The Ramban interpreted it this way and that is accepted by many. That is enough for me. I have no business interpreting the Scriptures. I mentioned that regarding the holy ones, there is indeed a dispute about this, but it is clear that the Ramban is much more logical.
The question of the Gem’ in how many places are its paths the paths of pleasure and from this the Gem’ infers how many laws do not indicate that the Sages understood that the trend of the Halacha is both pleasure and morality (or that there should be a division between pleasure (comfort) and moral values)?
In the first, we find arguments based on morality, such as the Rambam ruling that in a rejected city even the children should be killed and asking the Rambam that God will not do evil. Is there no place for these questions in your opinion?
Do you think that the education and the Rambam were wrong, and others who explained the reasons for the commandments according to human moral values?
Darcha Darcha Noam is a principle that is applied to esoteric cases. I assume that these are cases where there are several interpretative options and this principle arbitrates between them.
The question of the Ram is not a moral one. Halacha does not kill someone who is not guilty. A rape is exempt.
As far as I remember, they did not explain all the commandments in this way. Not all of them are morally based according to their system. Beyond that, as I explained here, it is possible to understand a commandment on a moral basis, but the mitzvah adds a religious level to it. The prohibition against murder stems from the value of human life, and the mitzvah adds a religious prohibition to the moral prohibition.
I still don't understand why the Torah permitted a beautiful woman, even if there is no religious problem with it. In any case, God Almighty does not want us to do it, what does it matter whether from a religious or moral point of view? Why would He write that it is permitted? Why permit it (only from a religious point of view, of course) if it has no practical benefit in practice because it is morally forbidden?
First, the Torah did not permit it. The Halacha did permit it. You can ask regardless of that what is the point of dividing the categories at all: if a certain act is morally forbidden, what is the point of permitting it halachically. But that is not a question. There is a difference between the categories and it also has implications.
The difference between the categories is important because we need to know whether there is a halachic prohibition and whether or not there is a moral prohibition. We will draw the practical conclusions later. The Torah does not come only to tell us what to do but to instruct us what the Halacha is (see in detail about this in my article on duties and rights and the essence of the homâm). Why does the Torah write the parshas of Ben Sorer or Ir Nidhat, for a system that they did not exist and will not exist? To say that this is the Halacha (“Shâna ve kabel shar”, in the language of the Talmud). The actual application is a different matter.
In terms of implications, the one who does not have to spend all of his wealth, and the one who does not have to spend five of his wealth. In the moral context, there are no such rules. If he marries her in a way that is not hers, it is permissible halakhically and morally forbidden. If he is a murderer, as in the above. There are situations where the moral consideration is rejected due to the circumstances, but the law has its own ways. There is a reason for this: if it were forbidden halakhically, there would be no room for it to be permitted under any circumstances (except in direct conflict). But if it is a moral matter, there is room for it to be permitted under certain circumstances (when it is necessary for the morale of the fighters).
And beyond all that, I explained that the Torah deals with prohibition on the grounds of a Gentile, and this is not a moral problem. There is only a halakhic aspect here. The question of rape is a question that is entirely moral, and therefore it is not discussed at all in the Torah and the commentators.
Is there a binding meaning in your opinion to the verse “Her ways are ways of pleasantness and all her paths are peace”? (I assume not from your perception in the new trilogy on the Bible)
I didn't understand the question.
The Radbz brought the verse “Her ways are pleasant, and all her paths are peace” to establish moral considerations in his ruling. Do you think this verse can be brought in to justify a ruling that would be more moral?
There is another possibility for the relationship between the Torah and morality that you did not mention, and it may be what some of the opinion-makers in the field, including Rabbi Kook, are referring to. According to this possibility, the purpose of the commandments is also social correction in addition to achieving closeness to God. This is not a heavenly system that is disconnected from reality, but rather a social correction that can be understood. On the other hand, this is not a system that is intended to abolish morality or include it within it. For example, in the case of a priest's wife, the explanation would be that in order to differentiate the priesthood and give it prestige, a priest's wife who was raped is disqualified. Such a law is not intended to enter a moral system that a person would apply on his own accord, but only to be realized in the limited place where God knows that it will work for the good of society. It is possible that we will not be able to explain every such law, since we do not have a good assessment of the social implications. Alternatively, there could be a scenario in which there is a conflict between a law that has a social benefit, and one that causes great suffering in some of its applications.
Evidence in favor of this suggestion can be found in the clear relationship that exists between ancient culture and the laws of the Torah. For example: In the Code of Hammurabi it is written: “If a slave says to his master, ‘You are not my master,’ and it is proved to him that he is his slave, his master shall cut off his ear.” While in Parashat Mishpatim it is written: “If the slave says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children, I will not go out without my consent.’” And his master brought him to God, and he brought him to the altar or to the mezuzah, and his master pierced his ear with a knife and became his slave forever. It is difficult to ignore the relationship between the laws. Assuming that the laws of the Torah were intended to create a certain social structure, it is possible to understand the need to create a different approach to slavery based on the accepted culture, but it is difficult to say that the Torah value that is not aimed at improving this world is aimed exactly like the Code of Hammurabi and other sets of laws like them.
I would love to read your opinion on this.
Question: How would you explain the daughter's inheritance - which is not an inheritance - is this a religious commandment that the Sabbath will not inherit? Does giving a daughter the inheritance violate the religious commandment? It sounds a bit far-fetched and unclear. Unlike the case of the restoration of a lost thing, the religious commandment here also applies to the daughter and is supposedly a commandment for her not to inherit (in the restoration of a lost thing, the owner of the object supposedly has a moral claim on the object and the religious commandment on the face of it only allows the descendant to take the object for himself, but in inheritance it seems that the religious commandment is that the eldest son will receive twice as much or that only the sons will inherit, and if so, it is also imposed on the morally disadvantaged party, otherwise he is completely emptied of his content as a rebellious son who was only a parable)
Just as there is a prohibition and a permission in the religious sphere, there is a right and an obligation in the religious sphere. A daughter has no right to inherit from a religious perspective. Therefore, there is no mitzvah for her here, nor a prohibition on her. She has no right to inherit. That is all. This is a definition, not a prohibition or a mitzvah.
I read the column on Shabbat and wanted to make a few comments:
I think you should have added the insight you mentioned in the Faith Lessons series that it is likely that God wants to achieve something through creation that is outside of moral purposes (otherwise why create something whose sole purpose is its own self-correction). That is, it is likely that there are “religious” (or non-moral) purposes for the world and for man even before we enter into an examination of the Torah regarding this question.
I think it is possible to interpret the words of the Maharal and the Ren differently from what you presented. It is possible that they intend to divide between legal and moral reasons. That is, the Torah’s laws follow legal reasoning and not moral reasoning.
Canaanite slave girls are therefore slaves and it is forbidden to free them as it is written, "You shall never be enslaved." And this girl, of course, has in her the meaning of the tears of the oppressed, etc. And apparently it is possible to free by striking with consent the tips of limbs such as the little finger. And from your point of view, it follows that the law cannot permit moral prohibitions, but only require the transgression of moral prohibitions, and where it is possible to observe both, the moral obligation remains. So in your opinion, was there such an obligation to free them (to the extent of the other unknown factors that were there)? There must have been thousands of Canaanite slaves who were enslaved by their sons (and we need to check whether we heard such good advice from the prophets and the playwright).
[The act of Bar-Gab who blinded the eye of his slave, and he was happy, etc. [Rashi] A slave is released from slavery (if he is a lawful slave and desires to be freed, but the freer of his slave commits an offense). And why did he not strike his finger with consent, and if the strike is with consent, he does not go to freedom, and a slave will not wish to buy himself with a finger. But the slave himself will say that there is no moral obligation in this because he sold himself lawfully, as his sons do].
In principle yes (but at that time they didn't think it had any moral value). Of course it's not certain that they would have suffered any damage to their organs.
By the way, I don't understand what difference you found between the slave and her daughter. The slave didn't necessarily sell herself. There is also conquest, war, etc.
Not that this is a real question, but if it were appropriate, then God would have instructed the prophets to rebuke it like other sins, what is the law, what is the morality? In that war of conquest, does a slave become a slave against the will of a master?
At that time it was not seen as a moral wrong.
Conquest by war is at the slave's will. The master is the conqueror.
Hello Rabbi,
I read this amazing column now, a little late, but better than never..
I wanted to ask,
1. According to your words, our morality is also part of the will of God; in addition to the halakhic commandments of the Torah, then how is it possible for there to be a halakhic teaching that contradicts morality, it is supposedly a contradiction in terms and comes from the will of God, who is the source of both.
Let's take for example the matter of returning a lost thing, if according to morality a lost thing had to be returned even though the owner is desperate, why then does the halakhic teach us that there is no need to return it in such a situation, in a way that contradicts morality, and how will the divine matter apply (as the Rabbi said) in the way you act against the moral will of God, which is ingrained in us?!
2. In all the examples you have given, it can be said that there is no contradiction at all between the Torah and morality, but only between the interpretation of the Sages and morality. For example, regarding a priest's wife who was raped, the Torah commands, "A woman who is a harlot and has defiled herself shall not be taken," and the Sages interpret a harlot to be any woman who was married for a reason of prohibition, whether by rape or by consent, and according to this, it follows that a raped woman is forbidden to be a priest. However, according to the simple understanding of the verse, a harlot is a promiscuous woman who abandons herself to a lion willingly, and this interpretation makes it very clear why the priest should also expel her from a moral perspective because she acted so of her own free will and defiled herself! Similarly, in the example of the lost Sabbath, the Torah does not explicitly state not to return it if the husbands despaired, but rather this is the understanding of the Sages according to the reality of their time. There is seemingly no direct contradiction between the explicit commandments of the Torah and the morality itself, but only between the understanding and interpretation of the sages and the morality. And because of this, it would be possible to reconcile and say that there is indeed a correspondence between the morality and the Torah, but the sages interpreted the Torah in this way according to the morality that was customary in their time and we have nothing but an interpretation according to the morality that is customary in our time (except that we have side constraints of lack of authority and so on).
Thank you and may God bless you!
1. I don't understand the question. After all, that's what the whole column is about. My argument is that from the religious point of view, X should be done, but it harms moral points of view. That's why a conflict is created. God's will is that we enjoy and be healthy. So why did He create chocolate? Does He want us to eat it or not? In terms of health, no, in terms of pleasure, yes.
2. I assume the Toshvah and don't refer to the literal meaning of the Bible, "naked." It also won't work in all examples. Eliminating Amalekite babies, bastards, and the like.
1. I intend to ask about cases where there is no direct contradiction, such as in the case of returning a lost thing. According to the halacha, returning a lost thing whose owner has given up hope, the moral comes and says that even in such a case one must return it. It would seem appropriate that such a halacha be included in the Torah, because it does not directly contradict the halacha (the halacha only does not require returning it but does not prohibit it), and it expresses the will of God. This is in contrast to the halacha of saving the Amalekites, for example, where it is dichotomous - either to kill the Amalekian baby or not, where the Torah ruled that the halakhic commandment prevails over the moral that contradicts it.
2. You are right, thank you
1. There is no difference. This also does not enter into the law because, as I explained, it is not interested in morality. If it does not fulfill or violates a halakhic value, it will not enter there but will remain in the realm of morality.