A Look at Judaism and Jewish Identity: Part C (Column 338)
With God’s help
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In the two previous columns I wondered what could serve as a definition of Judaism (as distinct from Jewishness). In this column I will continue and sharpen the meaning of these two concepts, beginning with methodological preliminaries presented as responses to claims that appeared in the talkbacks to those columns.
An incorrect definition that still holds water
The conclusion I reached is that the only parameter that can serve as a touchstone for Judaism is halakha. Following various comments in the talkbacks, I must reiterate that I am not hinging this on any particular definition or conception of halakha. Anyone who is committed to the halakha given to us at Sinai—whatever, in his view, its interpretations and ramifications may be—can claim he is Jewish. For all I care, he may adhere to an interpretation that halakha obligates him to stand on one foot or to go to church every Wednesday. He may be Conservative or Orthodox, believe in the absolute authority of the Talmud or not, believe in resurrection and individual providence or not—still, his definition of Judaism holds water. In some cases I will argue with his interpretation or position, both theologically and halakhically, yet I will still maintain that he is offering a definition that holds water. In contrast are definitions that do not include halakha (under any interpretation), such as the definitions common among Reform Jews (for whom there is no halakha), which do not hold water.[1] There is a difference between a definition that is (in my view) wrong or disputed and an empty definition that does not hold water.[2]
Thus, for example, I was asked in one talkback what I think of someone who underwent a Conservative conversion. Is he Jewish according to my definition? I do not know what a Conservative conversion includes, or whether they even have a single binding scheme, but let us assume for the sake of discussion that he converted in a way that is invalid according to halakha (as I understand it). I would still argue that according to the Conservatives’ own definition he is Jewish, and I agree that this definition, while in my opinion incorrect, still holds water. We have a real dispute about what conversion is, but that dispute has two sides. In contrast, someone who underwent a Reform conversion is clearly not Jewish. There, I argue, their use of the term “Jew” is not a respectable but mistaken position; it is simply an error and a confusion of concepts. Consider a disagreement (which in fact exists) about whether game theory is part of mathematics. Suppose I think it is not, yet I understand that someone who disagrees with me is offering a definition that holds water (though, in my view, a wrong one). By contrast, a person who uses the word “mathematician” to describe a cobbler is not presenting a defensible but mistaken position. It is a position that does not hold water at all.
The demand that a definition be unique and essential
I will say more (I noted this in a talkback to the previous column): even if there is a characteristic unique to Jews, if that uniqueness is merely accidental (that is, it could have appeared in another group), it still should not enter the definition of the concept “Judaism.” Suppose the entire world were racist except for the Jews. Would anti-racism be a good definition (a touchstone) for Judaism? In my opinion, no—because anti-racism is not essential to Judaism per se. There is nothing preventing other groups from opposing racism; even if, in fact, that were uniquely true of Jews, it would still not place anti-racism within our definition of Judaism. For example, only Jews eat cholent on Shabbat, but eating cholent is not part of the definition of Judaism (contrary to the way people always quote the Baal HaMaor on Perek Kira). I say this even assuming that Judaism indeed fundamentally and decisively opposes racism and was unique in that opposition. The Torah and our tradition also support the trait of humility. Is it reasonable to define Judaism through humility? That is absurd.
In several talkbacks people argued for various traits that are indeed characteristic of Judaism and even unique to it. I repeat: even if both requirements are met (being characteristic and being unique), that still is not enough. For the trait to enter the definition (to be part of the touchstone), it must be essential to Judaism—and to Judaism alone. One indication of essentiality is that it characterizes only Judaism; but that is a necessary, not a sufficient, condition.
Constitutive and targeted definitions
Quite a few respondents argued that there are groups within the Jewish population that define Judaism differently than I do, and who am I to decide who is Jewish and what counts as a definition that holds water?! I must clarify something I only hinted at previously.
In column 108 I showed that there are two kinds of definitions: a constitutive definition and a targeted definition (somewhat akin to the distinction between derash that creates and derash that supports). A constitutive definition “baptizes” a concept—that is, the concept is created by the definition (it constitutes it). In this case there is no point in arguing about the definition, because notions of “true” and “false” do not apply. What we stipulate is, by definition, the concept, and that’s that. It is an arbitrary matter, and in Saul Kripke’s terms, it is fixed by an act of “baptism.” A targeted definition, by contrast, attempts to capture a concept that existed prior to our formulation and conceptualization. Thus, people try to define what mathematics is, what philosophy is, or what poetry is (this is what I addressed in that series of columns). In such cases we are not dealing with an arbitrary constitutive definition. The definition attempts to hit the target of a preexisting concept, and therefore there is room for dispute among different positions about it. In such cases there truly are correct and incorrect definitions. The question under dispute is which definition best captures the content and essence of the concept at issue.
The claims against me mentioned above assume that the discussion about the definition of “Jew” is a constitutive one, and therefore they deny the possibility of arguing about it. Those claimants accept any definition someone proposes as valid simply because someone proposed it and thinks so, and thus they see no room for debate. In their eyes, these are merely different uses of the same linguistic term (expressing different concepts), and no more. I, by contrast, argue that there is a concept “Jew,” and our discussion seeks to capture its essence and core content. Therefore, I do believe there are right and wrong answers here, and there are correct and incorrect definitions. In fact, there are definitions that hold water but are wrong, those that hold water and are correct, and those that do not hold water at all.
From this you will understand that there is no place for the question “who appointed me” to determine the correct definition and who is a Jew. No one appointed me, and I am not decreeing the correct definition. I am stating my view regarding the true content of the concept. I am not arrogating to myself the authority to set the content; I am asserting what that content is—just as no one empowered a physicist to decide that bodies with mass fall to Earth. He is not the one who established the law of gravity; he merely claims that such a law exists and presents its correct description. If someone thinks otherwise, let him present his position with reasons, and we will argue. This is not a question of authority, paternalism, and the like—which all presume that the definitions under discussion (perhaps all definitions) are constitutive and arbitrary.
Descriptive vs. essential definitions
Continuing the above, I will add that I am also not attempting in these columns to describe the prevalent conceptions of the term “Jew.” Even a majority does not decide here, because a majority can be wrong—just as the majority is not necessarily right when defining the concept “mathematics.” The criterion of “following the majority” as a substantive claim[3] implicitly assumes a constitutive definition, and that is not the case. The discussion here is not a sociological-lexical description of how the term “Jew” is used, but an inquiry into the true essence of the concept (and it assumes that such an essence exists). This of course does not mean I am necessarily right; I am presenting a position, and whoever disagrees must also present a reasoned counter-position.[4]
Moreover, one should not infer from this that the essence is fixed and unchangeable. I accept the possibility that a concept can have a dynamic essence—that it may appear in different periods and circumstances in very different forms, yet still be a continuation of the same concept. In such a case one must persuade me that the later manifestation is indeed an authentic continuation of the earlier one—not merely on an ethnic basis (that the later manifestation is held by those defined as Jews according to the earlier definition. See, for example, here). Since the definition is targeted and essential (not constitutive and not descriptive), its use is not arbitrary and requires justification.
Disputes about concepts
I have noted in the past that many of our disputes revolve around the definitions of concepts. The debate over “who is a Jew” is one of the most prominent. But one can also argue about what democracy is, what anthropology is, or what the rules of morality are. Often, in the course of such a dispute, a claim or a sense arises that the matter is merely semantic. You call your concept “Jew,” I’ll call mine “Israeli,” and we will part as friends (what I once called “semantic separation”). Why fight over the right to use a word?!
My claim is that the very existence of a dispute indicates that both sides agree that the concept has real content; they disagree about what that content is (or what its core and essence are). Otherwise it would be a convention—i.e., a constitutive definition—and then there would be no point or possibility of arguing about it (one would simply separate semantically). The dispute over the concept “Jew” testifies that all sides agree on at least one point: that it has some content; that is, it is a targeted, not a constitutive, definition. Sometimes the dispute is about this very issue—whether there is such a definition: one side will say there is and propose it; the other will say “you have no monopoly on _,” meaning that in his view it is a constitutive definition and several different definitions may be proposed (so there is no dispute). To my judgment this is not the state of affairs regarding the concept “Jew.” True, there are sides that use the “you have no monopoly on _” type of argument, but they hide beneath it a concrete proposal—or at least the illusion of one (cf. Inbari and yoga in the previous column).
In this sense, between me and Buchdahl there is no real dispute. We are talking about different concepts and are not arguing about the same one. By contrast, with the Conservatives (under the assumptions above—that they have a different definition of halakha and of conversion) I have a real dispute. We are arguing over the targeted content of the concept “Jew,” or “conversion.” Moreover, even with Rabbi Brandes—who is a wise and learned man (and also a friend of mine)—I seemingly had a sharp dispute regarding conversion (see my article here). He proposed dispensing with acceptance of the commandments in the conversion process (and rightly noted that even in the state conversion apparatus this is done with winks and turning a blind eye), and I wrote an article arguing that acceptance of the commandments is the essence of conversion (and of Judaism). But note that in light of what I have written here, this is not a dispute at all. I explained there that he is essentially proposing conversion to Israeliness instead of standard halakhic conversion to Judaism (he himself does not see it that way), which is a different concept from halakhic conversion. Because there are no halakhic components in that “Judaism,” then even if circumcision and immersion are performed during the process, as long as there is no acceptance of the commandments, this is not Judaism (perhaps Jewishness), and therefore there is no conversion.[5]
Open/complex concepts
Another claim raised in the talkbacks is that the concept “Jew” is flexible and cannot be defined. The punctilious will add that the very existence of such sharp disputes about it is proof of that. I say that the existence of a dispute proves nothing. If indeed we are dealing with a targeted, not a constitutive, definition, then in such a dispute there is a side that is right and a side that is wrong. That’s all. When there is a scientific dispute over quantum theory, does that mean there is no correct answer and that everyone is right? Likewise for any factual dispute. So too for the dispute over the definition of Judaism. When one treats the existence of a dispute as evidence that there is no correct answer, one implicitly assumes a constitutive definition; but as noted, that is not our case. The same happens in disputes over whether G-d exists (see, for example, columns 294, 247, and 53).
So how do such polarized disputes arise on such topics? In some cases, such a dispute indicates that the concept is open and flexible. There are concepts for which it is difficult—perhaps impossible—to offer a sharp definition. In some sense, all the concepts in our everyday language are like that (unlike mathematical concepts—though even there there is room for debate, but this is not the place). Some will declare that if there is no definition, the concept simply does not exist; it is a linguistic fiction not worth discussing. I certainly do not belong to that camp. In my view, many existing concepts (not necessarily in the Platonic sense, but only in the sense that they precede their definitions—which are targeted, not constitutive) are difficult or even impossible to define sharply. I am fully aware that we cannot always offer a clear and sharp definition of our concepts, and I do not see that as a principled problem. We should try to overcome that difficulty, but it is part of life and of the limits of our thought and expression.
But this situation opens the door to intellectual anarchy. People tend to exploit the flexible margins of a concept to claim it has no truly defined content, and therefore no definition; from there they conclude that one can say whatever one wants about it and define it in any way that seems fit (cf. “Inbari” in the previous column). I disagree. To me, this is usually intellectual laziness. Instead of investing the mental effort needed to define or at least clarify the concept, one prefers to flee into the warm embrace of vagueness. Such an argument rests on an unnecessary logical leap (though a very characteristic one in postmodern narrative thinking). There are concepts that precede their definitions (targeted definitions), and yet one cannot find a sharp definition for them. In such cases our task is to clarify them, bring examples, persuade that they can be better understood, and also point out what is not included in them (again, see the previous column). Identifying every open concept as if it were empty of content and purely conventional—that is, as if it were arbitrary and merely descriptive—is a mistake. For example, the concept “democracy” is complex and hard to define exhaustively; no wonder disputes arise about it. Does that mean there is no right and wrong? Are we not obligated to clarify and sharpen it even without a sharp definition, and thereby try to indicate what it includes and what it does not? Although in such disputes the call for semantic separation always arises, I think that is wrong. Even here there is right and wrong and an obligation to reason.
This is why in psychiatric diagnostics (where this is almost always the case)[6] and in medicine (in certain cases), one sometimes uses a complex criterion. For example, there can be a disease with 13 symptoms, and the clinician’s guidance is that a person who has at least five or six is diagnosed with the disease. What does this mean? Apparently the disease cannot be defined and characterized univocally, so a complex definition is proposed. Does that imply there is no real disease? Is it correct to infer that each subset of symptoms refers to a different disease, and we are merely labeling them all with the same name? Obviously not. There is a defined disease and sometimes a defined treatment, but its presentations are complex and vary from person to person (depending on circumstances such as age, environment, general health, and more). A complex definition does not imply an empty concept that can be defined however one likes. A good example of such a concept is “poetry,” and my discussion in the series of columns devoted to it (107–113) revolves around defining complex concepts and the proper methodology for such cases.
Back to Judaism: is it a complex concept?
So too with the concept “Judaism.” Even if it is complex, as some respondents claimed, that does not mean there is no point in discussing its features and definitions and using them to examine what belongs to it and what does not. At most, one might seek a complex characterization or definition like the one described above. This is, however, only a theoretical remark, because, as I argued in the previous columns, in my view the concept “Judaism” is relatively simple: Judaism is a principled commitment to halakha. That’s all. All other traits may be true (and perhaps even unique) and may characterize Jews, but they are not essential.
The definition according to which whoever is committed to keeping halakha is Jewish (this is the Sinai covenant) is the definition in the substantive-religious-value sense. But there is, of course, also “Judaism” in the national sense, which is related to the religious sense but not identical to it. In the national sense of the concept there are certainly various complexities (including dependence on race and ethnicity, types of culture, etc.), and I wish to touch on them and on their relation to the definition I proposed for the religious-value sense of “Judaism.” I will do so through another set of questions that appeared in the talkbacks to the previous columns.
Why does this even matter?
People asked me why such a discussion is important at all. What are its implications (what’s the nafka mina)? I answered there that I never claimed the discussion is important. Whoever is not interested—good for him. There need not be any practical implications (a nafka mina for a woman’s kiddushin). Practical ramifications are not a necessary condition for a discussion to be well-defined or important (contrary to the logical positivist view). But now I must add something important about the relation between facts and values.
Discussions about Jewish identity also take place in the academy, in departments that study political science or the study of religions. Those discussions are descriptive: they attempt to characterize the sociological-historical phenomenon called “Judaism.” There, naturally, one deals with facts (sociological facts), and the starting point is descriptive: characterizing the approaches present “on the ground.”[7] By contrast, there are other discussions of Jewish identity that take place also—and perhaps primarily—in social discourse, opinion writing, and various batei midrash. There one does not engage in descriptive research of the sociological phenomenon called “Judaism.” There, the search is for the targeted definition of the concept, not the constitutive one. Hence, in those debates about the essence of Judaism, factual description does not determine the outcome. Even if there are groups that think this or that, as a participant at the table I am not obliged to accept that their definition is correct or even legitimate. Here there is room for positions and for arguments on their merits—not just for descriptions of approaches extant in the field.
The main difference is that public discussions do not deal only on the factual plane; they are no less interested in values. Those debates proceed in an atmosphere that assumes a Jew ought to behave as a Jew. There is a demand upon people to be Jewish, and therefore all are searching what it means to be Jewish. From here you can understand why people are so offended when told they are not Jewish. Seemingly, that is a neutral factual statement. So even if, in your view, I am wrong and you are indeed Jewish, why are you offended? The offense, the angry claims, and the emotions that often accompany these debates (as with Inbari in the previous column) attest to the value-laden dimension. If someone sees me as not Jewish, then he is saying I am not okay. As noted, the subtext is that this search aims to direct my behavior and values. The goal of these discussions is not merely to present the fruits of empirical-sociological-descriptive research into the concept “Judaism,” but to argue how a Jew ought to behave. Those who define a Jew as someone who opposes racism, and those who define a Jew as someone who supports the State of Israel and serves in the army, or as one who studies Torah and is committed to the commandments—all are making value claims: that this is what one ought to do, and whoever does not is “not Jewish.” It is not merely a descriptive statement; there is some demand in the air—a kind of censure.
The clearest example of this was, of course, Rabbi Shach’s “Rabbits and Pigs” speech (see also my remarks here). Without entering the details, I saw with my own eyes how many of the cynics who mocked the debates over who is a Jew and proclaimed openly that the ancient Jewish tradition and heritage interest them as much as the peel of a garlic were deeply offended when Rabbi Shach dared to say they were not Jewish, or dared to ask in what sense they were Jews. It is worth seeing an instructive example from the last few days of Ben Caspit confronting a question posed by Yinon Magal (I mentioned this in footnote 5 of the previous column). Following those remarks there was an awakening of many people to repent (I personally met several such people, and I also read heated debates in the press and heard them in the media). It turns out the debate over who is a Jew and what Judaism is touches many people deeply, and not only as a nafka mina for a woman’s kiddushin.
Between facts and values
The upshot is that the claim “I am Jewish” or “you are not Jewish” is not perceived among us as a mere description. For many of us it carries a value-laden demand. People assume there is value to “Jewish” behavior, and when you speak of “Judaism” you are speaking of values, not only of facts. As I mentioned above, when there is a dispute, both sides share some common ground. In this case, both sides agree that Judaism is a set of values and not only a description; the dispute is about what that set is. Hence, in the two previous columns my remarks dealt with Judaism in the value sense rather than with factual descriptions of it.
One could feign innocence and claim that the mere continuity of Jewish heritage is itself the value at issue. That is, perhaps Judaism really is not a set of values but a fact (either you are Jewish or you are not), and yet people see value and obligation in continuing the heritage by virtue of being members of this people. A Jew must behave as a Jew—not necessarily because of the lofty value-content of the concept “Judaism,” but because of his duty to continue the heritage of his ancestors (and therefore a Belgian or a Saudi should likewise continue the heritage of their ancestors). According to this proposal, perhaps there is indeed no value definition of the concept “Judaism,” and still it is clear why the debate over who is a Jew carries a value charge.
But that may describe the approach of some participants, and in my opinion it is a negligible minority. The fact is that people search in Jewish heritage for the “right” values (in their eyes). They are not satisfied with empty repetition of our ancestors’ rituals. There may be a difference here between secular Jewish identity (which has completely abandoned rituals) and Reform Jewish identity, which has not abandoned them (indeed, it left only them, alongside a set of liberal-universal values; see in the previous column the continued discussion of “Judaism according to Buchdahl”). But discussions of secular Jewish identity (the overwhelming majority of what takes place in Israel, at least) certainly purport to deal with values, not rituals.[8] Beyond the factual claim that for most people this is not the entire meaning of “Judaism” and its value charge, I claim that, on the merits, this conception is also unreasonable. Why should the fact that I was born Jewish obligate me to behave like Abraham our father? And if Martin Luther (or Martin Luther King) seems more attractive to me, why should I not follow his path? Is it because I was born to a certain people that I must behave in a certain way? This is, to me, an unreasonable value conception on its own terms; and in any case, it is not the prevalent one.
The conclusion is that the concept “Judaism” is value-laden—that is, Judaism is first and foremost a set of values. Beyond and prior to the descriptive discussion of what “Judaism” is, we must conduct the essential discussion about it. That is what I did in the previous columns. But of course Judaism is also a nation, and as such it certainly has factual-descriptive dimensions, not only value-laden ones. Here there is room to ask who is a Jew in the descriptive sense. For that question it is very relevant to look at Jews and Jewish groups as they are, and not only at essential questions (what ought to be done and why). This brings us to Judaism as religion and as nation, and to the relation between the two.
Judaism as religion and as nation
Up to now I have dealt with Judaism as a religion. I assumed it involves some value content, and concluded that this content is nothing other than commitment to halakha. All other values are, at most, ornaments and not part of the core of the concept “Judaism.” But Judaism as a nation is a far more complex and open concept, and here the definitions are much less sharp. There is a connection between Judaism as religion and Judaism as nation, but that connection is not so sharp and clear.
The root of the matter is that the very concept of nation is exceedingly elusive. Not for nothing has it been under heavy assault in recent generations, with many seeing it as a fiction. The Marxists among us claim it is a concept created to advance domination and the exercise of power against other “peoples.” I dealt with this at length in my article on Jewish identity, whose title included the famous line from the poet Amir Gilboa’s “A Poem in the Morning, in the Morning”: “A man suddenly rises in the morning, feels he is a people, and begins to walk.” There I mentioned Shlomo Sand’s book Who Invented the Jewish People? (I cannot help noting again that it is an insult to the intelligence), which argues that the definition of the Jewish nation is very complex, and from this concludes that it is empty: there is no such people. Beyond the foolish conclusion, the underlying intellectual foundation is indeed worthy of discussion. The concept of a nation and its definition are among the most elusive topics in human sociology. Every nation is characterized by many features, and many individuals who compose it do not possess them all. The definition of a nation includes ethnic, cultural, religious, and other components, in different mixes from people to people. The Jewish people is no exception. The claims that there are people who are not members of the Jewish religion but belong to the Jewish nation are, in my view, quite compelling. The Jewish nation is a historical phenomenon, and as such it should be discussed with the tools of sociological-historical research. One should look at those who define themselves as Jews and see what the features of their Jewishness are, and from that distill how this people sees itself. Here—and only here—there is room for all the claims I mentioned above: the diversity of Jewish conceptions and cultures, and the “who made you king to decide” type of argument. In the sociological-factual context, that is, in the discussion of the Jewish nation, I am prepared to accept them. Here a flexible and complex definition of the diagnostic type described above is also appropriate.
Even so, as I wrote above regarding open and complex concepts, we are not exempt here from attempting to offer a definition or features that will clarify the concept. Quite a few intellectually lazy people try to dispose of the issue with circular definitions, such as: a Jew is anyone who defines himself as a Jew. That is, of course, nonsense that says nothing beyond the fact that defining Judaism is a complex task. A definition of a concept should clarify it using other concepts already known to us. A definition cannot make use of the very concept being defined.[9]
It is commonly thought that the Jewish nation is defined on the basis of the Jewish religion. From time immemorial, conversion—a religious act—has also constituted entry into the Jewish nation. Even the secular State of Israel (and many of its secular citizens, contrary to what our universalists try to sell us) recognizes this. Traditionally, the Jewish ethnos was created by the Jewish religion. Whoever joined the latter joined the nation as well. But on the national plane, as distinct from the religious one, there is indeed room to argue that the definition can change. If the Jewish people—once defined on the basis of religion—now chooses to define itself differently, that would be the relevant definition of the Jewish nation. Again, I am not here making a constitutive claim that the concept of nation is arbitrary and everyone defines it as they wish. No. Even if I were a dyed-in-the-wool fascist, even if I believed in the spirit of the nation and its metaphysical-ontic existence, I would still argue that a nation can choose for itself a culture entirely different from that of its forebears and yet remain the same nation. Questions of values and essential content play a lesser role on the national field; they belong to the religious-value plane.
The claim of many Jews today that the definition of the Jewish nation in recent generations has separated from the definition of the Jewish religion seems to me entirely legitimate (though, in my estimation, a large majority of the Jewish public still does not agree). Hence, one can define entry into the Jewish nation (and certainly into the State of Israel, and perhaps into the Israeli nation?) not on the basis of entry into the Jewish religion. Today there are quite a few citizens of the State of Israel who, nationally and culturally, are Jewish in every respect—no different from a typical secular Jew—yet are not part of the Jewish religion (gentiles who did not convert). They speak the Jewish-Hebrew language and slang, eat Jewish foods, consume Jewish culture (and perhaps also study Jewish sources in pluralistic batei midrash), celebrate the holidays in one form or another, and, more generally, there is no cultural difference between them and a secular Israeli Jew. In my view it is very hard to argue that they do not belong to the Jewish nation, even though it is clear that they do not belong to the Jewish religion (because they are not obligated in halakha—unlike a secular Jew, who is obligated). In the accepted definitions of nationhood around the world, they certainly form part of the Jewish nation. Only those who insist on grounding the nation exclusively in religion (as was once the case) do not accept this. But even they will have to admit that such a definition is unique and does not match the accepted notion of nationality. But that is already a dispute that is almost entirely semantic.
Incidentally, a fascinating example of such complexity is Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger. He was born Jewish and at age 14 converted to Christianity. He then climbed the Catholic hierarchy until he became the highly influential and popular archbishop of Paris—one of the most important positions in the Church in France and in the Catholic world. Lustiger defined himself as Jewish in the ethnic-national sense, spoke Hebrew and Yiddish, and never disavowed his Jewish origins. Moreover, after his death his Jewish cousin recited Kaddish at his grave and said this was at Lustiger’s own request. But his religion, of course, was Catholic (a Jew of the religion of Jesus). Furthermore, he claimed that this was the fulfillment of his Judaism (that is, he claimed to be Jewish also in the religious sense, not only the ethnic-national one). Ironically, from what I wrote above it follows that his definition of Judaism (as committed to the Christian religion) holds water, even though I disagree with it—certainly more than those who try to argue for a purely secular or purely ritual Judaism. Of course, on the national plane it is difficult to accept his words, whereas the secular claim (regarding belonging to the Jewish nation) is certainly plausible.
Summary
Returning to our discussion: the claims that the concept “Judaism” is complex, that there are different conceptions of it, and that I have no monopoly, etc., are apparently dealing with Judaism as nation and culture, not with Judaism as religion and value framework. On the religious-value plane the picture is rather simple: Judaism means commitment to halakha.
In the next column I will turn to Ehud Luz’s book (see the beginning of the column before last), which attempts nevertheless to connect the national and religious planes and to create a secular Judaism that would be a continuation of the Judaism of previous generations. He ties those two planes together, and we now have the tools to examine his claims critically.
[1] Of course, one can offer clever arguments, such as: if someone says that in his view halakha obligates standing on one foot every even-numbered day, or going to the beach every morning, would that also be a definition of Judaism? My answer is twofold:
- I am not dealing with sophistries. No one actually believes such things. By contrast, there are very many who sincerely believe, like Buchdahl and her like-minded colleagues, that Judaism is defined on the basis of values without halakha. Do not forget that my claim is also directed at many Orthodox and traditionalists who think that Judaism is defined on the basis of values in addition to halakha. As noted, I disagree with both of these positions, and they are indeed widespread (in my estimation this is the view of the overwhelming majority of the Jewish public in all its shades).
- If there is someone who truly and sincerely believes an interpretation according to which the commands we received at Sinai imply an obligation to stand on one foot or go to the beach (not as a mere clever quip, but from an actual interpretation of our sources and of that thesis in general), then yes—this too would be a definition of Judaism that holds water. I, of course, would not agree with it, but it would still fall within the framework I have described here.
[2] For a similar distinction between what is wrong and what is illegitimate, see my article on tolerance.
[3] The claim that one must adopt the majority view can come from two different directions: (a) the majority is an indication of proximity to truth (the majority is right, as in a court), as in columns 69, 79, and many more; (b) in column 66 I discussed situations where the majority decides (even if it is not right, as in a democratic majority). Questions of the first sort deal with facts and truth, and there the majority has no substantive standing (unless one believes the majority view is closer to truth). Questions of the second sort are constitutive: the majority is “right” by definition (because it decides).
[4] There is a strange tendency in today’s discourse (a sad influence of postmodernism) to brand anyone who presents a position as necessarily paternalistic (“who made him king,” “he has no monopoly,” “he has no authority to disqualify others,” etc.). All these claims are based on mere confusion—or testify that the speaker has run out of substantive arguments.
[5] On the practical plane I agree with him entirely. Since, in my view, religion and state must be separated, I definitely support having the law recognize a civil “conversion” that contains Jewish components, instead of requiring a religious conversion. I just am not prepared to see it as a substitute for halakhic conversion, and such a “convert” is not Jewish in my eyes.
[6] See, for example, here on diagnosing clinical depression, and many other places.
[7] And by their lights it is also justified to view this search as a pursuit of a constitutive, descriptive definition. From the researcher’s standpoint it is very reasonable to take what people regard as Judaism and assume that that is Judaism, and from there to offer a definition. See, for example, here and elsewhere on the site.
[8] Even rituals such as the offering of first fruits on a kibbutz were not perceived there as exhausting their Jewish identity, but as one expression of it.
[9] One criterion for a good definition—and why a circular definition is not good—is this: if we take the definition and change the word that names the concept being defined, nothing in our understanding of the concept should change. For example: a triangle is a shape with three sides, each pair of which meets at a common vertex. If I call that triangle X, nothing changes. I thoroughly understand the concept, and only afterwards will I be told that the Hebrew word for it is “meshulash” (triangle). So too, the definition of a Jew should be intelligible even if we call a Jew “X.” Now consider the definition: a Jew is one who defines himself as a Jew. Replace “Jew” with “X,” and we get: X is one who defines himself as X. Does that give you any understanding of the concept “Jew”? See here, section C.
I once had an argument with friends about a "Shabbat act": When another person believes that according to Halacha it is permissible to do so and so on Shabbat, am I allowed to use it? At the time, I argued that if you allow use because the act was done according to his view without desecrating Shabbat, then what is the difference between him and a secular person who believes that it is permissible to desecrate Shabbat? Will his actions also be allowed to use it? Since it is also permissible according to his view, "according to Halacha" (he simply learns that Halacha is irrelevant or something like that, but it doesn't matter because he also offers a view on Halacha)
There are opinions that an accidental Shabbat act is permissible, and this method of course has no problem with the act of a secular person. For methods that an accidental act is prohibited, I doubt whether it is possible to permit a Shabbat act by a secular person. And in general, there is perhaps room to be more strict with a secular person because there is more concern that someone will come to tell him to do it (this is one of the reasons for prohibiting a Shabbat act).
Regarding someone who follows the method that this act is permitted, the explanation is that there will be no prohibition at all in both methods. Although there is a concern here that someone will come to tell him to do it (since according to his method it is permitted), it turns out that when the act is not a transgression, they did not punish him.
The problem is that it is a bit difficult to determine who is similar to a Reformist (believes that he is not bound by Halacha) and who is similar to a Conservative (interprets Halacha in one way or another). What do you think is the definition of secular today, or is it an individual matter?
The diagnostic question is not my concern here. As far as I am concerned, what the person says is what determines. I do not enter into the depths of his heart. There are secularists who believe in everything and do not observe. There are secularists who do not believe. These and those do not act like Jews and these and those are obligated by the commandments. For our purposes, there is no difference between them. Only in the matter of the question of how much they are criminals from a halakhic perspective is there a difference. The traditionalist or the secularist who does not observe are of course much more criminals than the atheist.
Do you think that a secular person's offense in our day is defined as unintentional? It sounds strange to me because at least in the secular society around me there is great awareness.
Absolutely not. In my opinion, it's less rape. At least when it comes to an atheist. See my article on the fallacy of a secularist.
https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%94
Knowledge is not important here, but the awareness that it is obligatory (and not that I think it is obligatory).
Interesting. Thanks!
Hello Rabbi,
I don't believe in God and it's important to me. In my opinion, it's important that people don't waste their time on this nonsense.
That's why I'm fighting for the Jewish state, which belongs to my nation, and trying to show everyone that the Sinai covenant is a sin. It's important to me that Jews become enlightened atheists like me.
Ideologically, I'm in favor of as many people traveling on Shabbat as possible.
I'm trying to prove my point from the teachings of the Bible and its decomposition into elements and from the words of fortune telling and showing how pagan their words are. I don't need to say much about today's rabbis and their stupidity.
For the purpose of my point, I will use Hebrew and Yiddish literature for their pedagogical and demagoguery needs.
Don't I think of you as a Jew?
Look at the second line, the division between Judaism and Jewishness.
Ben,
I don't understand this stupid chatter. If you don't believe in God and his commandments, you're out of the game. The fact that you think and want and believe in all sorts of other things, so what? Cheers. What does this have to do with our discussion?
Hazal's words, for pedagogical purposes.
On this occasion, if the Rabbi could ask God to destroy Google's autocorrect, I would be very grateful to him for that.
The one that exists or the one that doesn't?
Is the Rabbi's definition of "Judaism" also correct for First Temple Judaism?
(Most of the Kingdom of Judah and all of the Kingdom of Israel practiced idolatry, although the term "Judaism" had not yet been invented, of course)
What does this have to do with it? Even today, most of us fail in slander and in nullifying the Torah.
This is no longer a sin, but an appeal based on the commitment to the worship of God, that is, to the law. But in fact, it seems that most sinners in this way during the First Temple period saw themselves as worshipers of God, the national god who was revealed at Sinai, even though they embodied him and incorporated foreign rituals into his worship. This is simply the case with the worshipers of the calf in the wilderness, and with the calves of Jeroboam (“These are your Gods, O Israel”). It turns out that they too fall into Rabbi Michai's definition of Judaism, with the dispute being over the manner in which it is proper to worship God, that is, to the law.
If I understand correctly, then studying the Book of Genesis and in general a significant part of the Torah is not studying Judaism? Sounds absurd. Just because you got your hands on the written Torah does not mean that these studies are not studying Judaism.
I elaborated on this in the second book of the trilogy, and several columns and articles on the site were devoted to it, and it has no place here.
I think there is an extremism from what I understood until now. Until these columns (I admit that I have never read them in books, but I have read many columns on the site) I understood that the rabbi's opinion was that it is almost impossible to learn anything from the written Torah, that a person brings his prejudices into the study, etc. Now, if I understand correctly, there is an extremism, someone who reads the Book of Genesis on Shavuot night and in his sins, does try to understand, is not defined (in the elusive definition, but you also admitted that it occupies many people) as a student of Judaism. And especially a rabbi (especially if he is a rabbi of mine) who demands the Book of Genesis in the synagogue does not demand a Jewish sermon, after all, this is the context of the first column in the series. I think in general that the thought that it is impossible to learn the written Torah ultimately leads to the absurd conclusion that someone who reads the Book of Genesis is not studying Judaism – and therefore perhaps there is an error in the basic thought.
There's nothing you can do. You need to read before asking questions.
Can I refer to the light/response?
If you compare, for example, to Torah 134/5, you see exactly the radicalization. From treating Bible study as boring, incomprehensible, holy in virtue but unclear. Now it has become something that is not Judaism at all and there is no difference between someone who demands it in a synagogue and a sermon in a church.
It is enough to read the columns here. I wrote that it does not define Judaism (a touchstone) because the content is universal. At the end I also talked about Torah in Gebra and Haftza. The full details are in the second book of the trilogy in the chapter on Torah study.
What is Judaism? (second line)
The Rabbi spoke about this in the previous column (337)
A Jew is one who believes in Moses our Lord as the one and only leader of the people of Israel.
Halacha is the result of the sin of the calf and the breaking of the first tablets and should not be seen as the main thing but rather as a kind of remedy.
I really liked the column from Zion. Two comments
1 Regarding the issue of Judaism as a nation and the connection between Judaism as a nation, which is subject to the religious definition first and foremost. As you said, at least in the State of Israel, the majority of the public does not accept the separation. Certainly not the public that is called “traditional”. And in my opinion, most secular people do not accept it either. Even though they have (as a general rule)
no connection to religion. They will still define who is a Jew according to how the halakha defines him. And if there is the issue of immigrants who are not Jews. Who perhaps according to national-ethnic definitions could be considered part of the Jewish nation().
It is not for nothing that these immigrants feel the need to convert. This is because most of the time (also from personal encounters with some of these people). The spouse who is completely secular or the mother of that spouse, even if he eats non-kosher, violates Shabbat and is a Nididat, and in some cases is a complete infidel. He raises his eyebrows and feels the need to receive approval from religious authorities as much as possible, so that his spouse's children and grandchildren, who will be considered Jewish from a religious point of view, will be considered Jewish after him. In my opinion, this is another point that illustrates that the attempt to secularize and create an original Jewish ethnic cultural framework that is not related to religious commandments or religious obligations, has not succeeded. Certainly not to the end. Rule
2 I will touch on this from another angle from my experience. People who talk so much about secular Judaism and secular national obligations often exaggerate simple sentences, completely simple statements. Completely understandable. Entire articles and books are worth it. Prominent examples This genre includes people like Yaakov Malachin and Menachem Froman. I once tried to go through their books (The Secular Way and What Secular Jews Believe*). And all that was there was either an attempt to say: I want my children and I to live like any normal person in Canada or Denmark. But in the mind it was as if we were drawing our humanism from Jewish letters (and to honor our grandparents' or great-grandparents' house we would also light a candle and a donut). Or that someone who was Jewish wrote them. Or claims like: Einstein and Freud were also enlightened Jews! Do you see that this is possible?
Statements that in themselves are not bad. It is likely that if I were an atheist Jew I would feel a desire and moral obligation to some extent to protect the continuity of Jewish genetics in the world. And perhaps also a fondness for the texts that my ancestors would have performed. But an attempt to turn such statements into something deeply cultural and uniquely enormous. A real miracle. It is ridiculous and sad. It mainly shows that there is no longer any real definition or positive-unique content that Jewish humanists/liberals/secularists can provide. Not because the Jewish people are a fiction or any other ridiculous nonsense but simply because from a historical perspective until recently. What shaped the Jewish people (both in terms of conditions of entry and presence in the club and in terms of “culture”. is the halakha and religious obligations
1. All columns are from Zion. I live in Lod. 🙂
I have no argument with you regarding reality.
2. I completely agree. See the fourth column (next).
You claim that as long as a false claim holds water, you accept it.
Therefore, even a Conservative convert who you claim holds water is considered a conversion, and the Conservative convert will be considered a Jew in your eyes.
Do you think that a person's perception of what a doctor is, not according to the rules you know about the definition of a doctor, as long as it holds water, that person will be considered a doctor?! It seems that you will say that theoretically yes, but that no definition will hold water. What is considered to hold water is the bedrock of the dispute, that is, who determines what the parameter is for a claim that it is considered to hold water.
The answer is simple, what was accepted and everything that is new is evidence, and if you insist and want to change the rules for who is a doctor, Tefadel, just don't force me to refer to your doctor at the university as a doctor, as in Judaism, Judaism is a concept that originates in the Torah and it is the only one that defines who is a Jew, and it defined a Jew as someone who comes from a Jewish mother, and Judaism is everything that is done due to the will of God, which is conveyed to us from Sinai, and according to the rules transmitted to us in the tradition of how this book is studied. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and conveyed it to Joshua, etc.
And therefore, unfortunately, Ben Caspit is a Jew, and dear Buchdel will probably remain Asian forever.
B. You addressed the issue of conservative conversion, (of course you preferred to refer to the rationalist who copied his question from me, but that's okay, you're not autistic). And again, it seems that your perception of what Halacha is has a certain patronage that only what you consider Halacha is what holds water. From the point of view of Reformism, it is like explicit Halacha in the Shul that the religious trend must be adjusted according to the period, and according to accepted populist morality, why is this not a Halacha interpretation? How is this different from the Teddy Bears government in the summer?
C. The issue of nationality, indeed nationality is patriotism, not only immediately, unlike Judaism, and perhaps also from the Seven Nations, as is evident among our Arab cousins. A Frenchman who becomes a citizen in the United States will become an American until after a few generations they will not remember anything and nothing of his French origin. The only ones who remain in their name, no matter where they are and how many generations they are, are the Jews and, unfortunately, the Arabs too (there is no need to mention those whose appearance proves their origin to them, such as Ashro Americans and co.).
And just a question of curiosity, is the scoundrel named Ben Caspit really him? Or is there something in his name? Because he wails like a hurt baby. Reminds me of the wails after the rabbits' speech. (Which I also mentioned and was despised by you, but I forgave him. . ).
Read my words again. As usual, you quote things I didn't say and didn't even occur to me.
“From the point of view of Reformism, it is like an explicit law in the Shulchan Aruch that the religious trend must be adjusted according to the period,”
I think that your mistake in the whole matter is that Reforms as a whole do not believe in the Torah from heaven at all, but in ”heaven in the Torah” that is, that the Bible had divine inspiration and some unique historical role (this divine inspiration without revelation and this historical role is a huge gibberish that the early Reformers were engaged in. I say in advance, don't ask me what these words mean) - and the point is - that Reforms are not obligated to any law or divine command. In their minds, the concept of a religious or halakhic obligation does not exist at all. Certainly not an obligation towards the Torah Sheva”p
They do derive their determination that a Jew should act according to the rules of modern developing morality And the accepted (and also to excel and be the most moral in every field)
according to such and such verses in the Bible. But it is at most simply a different biblical interpretation similar to the Muslim and Christian interpretation whose function is to create an internal dynamic that allows them to grasp the idea of a “natural universal religion” in Jewish clothing (in case they believe in God, some of the rabbis there are declared atheists or declare that God is irrelevant).
Therefore, I think it is clear why Conservatives are obliged to all Halacha. Even if their interpretation is completely wrong. Can be considered part of the game, while Reforms who are not obliged at all to the Torah, oral or written (but only in the best case to a very progressive and final interpretation of the written Torah). Can not be considered part of the game. Because in general the touchstone To Judaism. It is a halachic obligation to the Seven Torahs. And to accept its authority. You can also find obligations to one interpretation or another of the Bible in groups of people who believe in aliens inspired by the Bible. And I still assume and hope that you will not define any person who is attached to these groups as a Jew (even if they declare themselves to be Jews).
By the way, in my humble opinion. Also to define a conservative Jew of the left type who observes halachah in a very liberal interpretation (for example, it is permissible to have sexual relations with a man or to travel on Shabbat, it is worth going to a synagogue. Even if he practices according to the interpretation of his rabbi. And even if his rabbi really went to reach the correct halachic interpretation. It would be a definition that is wrong. As far as I am concerned, he is not a Jew but at most a Gentile who fears heaven). In the previous post where I wrote this in response to your response, I did not “I copied the question for you” but I brought a position that was related to your question
Hello again, Rational, first of all, I say that everything is in humor, and I would rather you bring things in my name with cosmetic additions so that my words will receive a response. .
Regarding the Reformers, I am not familiar with their teachings and you may be right, I only saw that the Reformer's Bochdel received three columns so far, while if you, for example, were to argue about a famous concept, as I gave as an example the issue of university ranks, you would probably not be treated any more than a common annoying fly.
As far as I'm concerned, the Conservatives and the other vegetables, such as Ben Kaspit and Inbari, should not be treated any differently than the fly. The fact that they even refer to and discuss their arguments from the outside about what Judaism is gives them legitimacy and in any case they are considered a party to these and those words of the living God, if the concepts at the university were subject to debate by every leper and scoundrel, and they were discussing the doctrine of every barking dog.
Another and final issue, let's assume that you have come to the conclusion that only Halacha determines, and then you have come to the conclusion that it is precisely the Jewish folklore of the Haraima and Gefilte that determine, why is that not right? Let's assume that even a gentile can eat Gefilte, so what?! And if a person beheads another, then we say that ISIS does not behead?! It is clear that such a thing is less defining of essence and more associating a category of behavior, but who determined that there is something beyond Gefilte? Ask the dear Mrs. Buchdael.
If I understood you correctly, you are trying to separate three questions:
“Who is a Jew?” – A descendant of Jacob our father through the mother + converts and their descendants = someone who is obligated to observe the commandments.
“What is Judaism?” – The history, culture, language, foods, customs and characteristics of the Jews (“form” not “content”).
“What is Judaism?” – A collection of realistic and normative claims (worldview, “content” not “form”), which in your opinion are summed up in the obligation to observe Halacha.
(By the way, there is apparently no reason why a completely wrong person in the personal sense could be Jewish in the cultural sense or believe in Judaism in the ideological sense, even if he himself is not bound by the commandments.)
What I didn't understand, though, is why you think the definition of Judaism includes only the things that are unique to it, and not the things that it and other faiths have in common. Is the prohibition of eating pork not a Jewish value because it also exists in Islam? Apparently, it is a Jewish value *and* a Muslim value, and these things are not contradictory at all. And what about the belief in the existence of the Mount Sinai status? Does the fact that other religions believe in it, disqualify it from being a core Jewish belief?
And on second thought, perhaps we should distinguish between a “definition” that comes to distinguish a certain entity from others, and a “description” of the entity itself. If I have to define an anonymous person, a good definition would be “a person with a triangular birthmark under his right shoulder”, because this definition is unique only to him and distinguishes him from everyone else. But it is clear that this definition is very superficial and not at all essential to him. A much more essential description would be: “Jewish, father of twins, bus driver, science fiction enthusiast”. Even if each of these characteristics is shared by many people, and perhaps there are even a few people who share all of them, this does not prevent them from being an essential description of a person. And according to this, universal morality or family values or various theological principles can also certainly be Jewish values. The only exception is someone who believes *only* in universal morality and so on’ and not in anything additional or unique. Such a person simply believes in universal morality, and there is no point in calling it a special name like “Judaism”.
I have written several times that I am looking for a touchstone and not just characteristics. I think it was explained well.
Miki,
Great column. I agree with the analysis for the most part and the methodological comments. As a strictly secular person (at least in his way of life) I really remember my embarrassment in the face of the “offended” reactions of my secular brothers to Rabbi Schach's speech. A serious disgrace to those secularists.
And yet you yourself are avoiding the elephant in the room - “the gold of the Jews”, which Schnerb spoke about.
Any principled philosophical discussion is based on this point and any denial of it is, in my opinion, turning a blind eye.
And you continue to ignore what I answered you. The gold in the room is irrelevant to the discussion at all.
In my opinion, you hold a completely confused position. The gold (meta-halakhah) is also relevant to your own theory about the “embossments” (halakhah itself). After all, you repeatedly make meta-halakhic claims such as “the essence of Judaism is the Halakhah”. On the contrary, your theory has a valuable normative justification for holding this meta-halakhic position.
In a more picturesque formulation that is faithful to this image: more than gold is important in Judaism and more than the embossments that cover it are important, what is written on them is important.
I therefore wanted to inform you that I followed the findings of an archaeological expedition that examined exactly this matter (you were among its members, of course, you simply forgot about it..).
About the embossments, it was written as if in a dream:
“There is no gold here”.
Is it possible to offer, according to your words, an expansive definition of what Jewish thought is? I would define it as any thought that either justifies the observance of Halacha or that centers on the observance of Halacha is Jewish thought. This is how I include many parts of the teachings of Moreh Nevokum, as well as Zohar and the Kuzari as Jewish thought. These are Jewish thoughts because either they come to justify the observance of Halacha, even if they are very different thoughts. Or they come to give reasons for the commandments, and thus their centrality is Halacha, whether these are metaphysical, human, or procedural reasons. In other words, dealing with the question of the unity of God, for example, or in political science in Moreh Nevokum, can be both a general and not necessarily Jewish concern, and a Jewish concern if the goal of the learner and the teacher is to justify or explain the observance of Halacha. The same applies to the studies of the sages, Hasidism, etc. That seemingly come to teach something general or timely, psychological, scientific, historical, if their ultimate goal is to justify or explain the law (not in terms of human motivation but on an intellectual level) these are still Jewish thoughts. It turns out that the same discussion can be considered Jewish or general according to the goal or what is at the basis of the discussion.
This is an interesting definition and I hadn't thought of it. But when you examine it in depth, you discover that it contains almost nothing. The reasons for the mitzvot are not the reason for keeping the mitzvot and therefore are not important to the halakha. This is perhaps important for understanding what I am doing, but this is already a somewhat broad definition for my taste. Ultimately, most of these reasons are universal values, and if they are not, then they usually do not constitute reasons. Therefore, the bottom line is that there are still very few questions or claims that can fit into the definition you proposed.
The fact that the reasons for the commandments are not necessary for the observance of the law does not make them unimportant to those who follow the law. And the fact that so many rabbinical thinkers have dealt with this, in my opinion, shows that there is some truth to this expansive definition. In addition, it is also a concern unique to Judaism.
Whether it is important or not is a matter of taste. It has no practical significance and it does not innovate anything. At most, it associates a universal value with some mitzvah (and even that is usually complete speculation). So what is new? That one should be humble or help others? I knew that before. I am supposed to fulfill the mitzvah even without it (in fact, they did not demand a reason to read it). So what is the value in that?
A Everything I said was in the context of the discussion of the ”intentional definition” of the concept of Judaism. My arguments are that observing the work of a great deal of Jewish thought is a justification and explanation of the commandments. None of what I argued was about the value of this practice, but rather that Judaism is engaged in it. In addition, it is a unique practice of Judaism, because it deals with commandments that are unique to Judaism. In other words, my expansive definition meets two requirements of a “intentional definition” 1 Judaism deals with it a lot, meaning many of the writings of rabbinic thinkers deal with it 2 This practice is unique to rabbinic Jewish thought.
B If you ask what I find in this practice, my answer is that in my opinion the main thing is to follow the ways of the Lord. That is, learning what the ways of the Lord are and knowing how the commandments bring us closer to the goal of walking in His ways is, in my opinion, a commandment in itself.
This is an interesting claim as stated. But a few comments: 1. The reasons for the commandments deal with the Bible, and as such Christians can also deal with it. 2. I also don't think it is a significant part of the engagement in Jewish thought. 3. Everything I wrote above. 4. As long as it is related to halakha and our religious commitment, it can be essentially Jewish. But it is not fundamentally different from what I wrote.
But I am willing to accept that there is such a worthless field of activity that is essentially Jewish.
Therefore, even a discussion of universal values can be Jewish, if its purpose is to explain or justify the observance of commandments.
See above
On the 13th of Adar, Cheshon 5781,
Isn't the way of God that Abraham spread Judaism? The Ten Commandments, all of which are "universal values," are not Judaism? The people of Israel accepted the role of being a "kingdom of priests" that would spread throughout the world the belief in oneness and its values, embodied in the Seven Commandments of the Children of Noah.
As priests, Israel was commanded in the 13th commandment to bring about the constant presence of God in every step of life, so that at the end of the day, we can pass on to the entire world the universal values of Judaism.
With blessings, Sh.
In the year 1571, Abraham went from place to place calling on the name of God, and he also understood that the real impact would come from a community of God's servants. When God consulted him as an expert in education, "Whom I have known for the purpose of commanding his children," Abraham agreed that there needed to be a minimum of "ten righteous people within the city." A real spiritual impact on the environment could only come from a "congregation" that lived a normal life while remaining faithful to the way of God.
And, the strong spiritual influence of the people of Israel on the Gentile world – was precisely during the Second Temple period. Although the people of Israel did not have an independent political status – the nations saw in every city and village a special and ’strange’ community of people who lived around a temple devoid of statues, while they were idle from work for an entire day each week and gathered in the synagogue to study the Holy Scriptures that were the center of their lives.
Many of the Gentiles reacted with hatred and disgust, but many of them glanced with interest at the miraculous ’nation of philosophers’ in their neighborhood. Some came to listen to the reading of the Torah, and some accepted some or all of the commandments upon themselves. Among the converts were also royal and noble families, to the point of claiming that there was no family in Rome that did not have a Jew.
This process stopped near the Bar Kokhba revolt when the Romans decreed circumcision. Even when they returned and allowed Jews to enter the country, the prohibition of circumcision on Gentiles continued and prevented mass conversions. But the Jewish “sting” that had already penetrated deeply into Hellenistic-Roman culture was exploited by Christianity, which offered a “thin Judaism” without circumcision and without practical commandments, and its influence overthrew the idolatries, until the Roman Emperor Constantine accepted Christianity and made it the state religion.
A similar process occurred in the Arab world. The Jewish tribes influenced Muhammad to accept monotheism and imitate Judaism by observing a weekly day of prayer and study. And as with the Christians, the “disciple” believed that his Jewish mentors had completed their spiritual role and should evaporate or surrender at his feet.
Let us hope that the decline of Christianity will also mark the decline of Islam, and that the adherents of monotheism will return to drawing directly from the source - Judaism.
Best regards, Sh”t
In the year 1771, the intensification of community life maintained an intensive Jewish life and made it possible to exist even in a state of exile and dispersion. But on the other hand, it could have caused the problem of the nation splitting into ’torn rifts’.
This concern was resolved by maintaining the centrality of the Temple in Jerusalem. Not only did they strive to make a pilgrimage three times a year, even from distant places, and participated with half a shekel’ in the work of the Temple – also in the daily work of the synagogues, a central place was given to the Temple and to the expectation of redemption.
The prayers that the people of Kena”G established are repeated for the daily prayers (and for the Sabbaths and holidays – for the additional prayers) and even the direction of the prayer is toward Jerusalem, as described in Daniel, who had windows open to him toward Jerusalem the three times he prayed each day.
Even the daily prayer blessings – about half of them deal with the aspiration for the redemption of the nation, the gathering of the exiles and the resurrection of the kingdom of the House of David and the return of the Shekhina to Zion. Even the Haftarahs that accompanied the reading of the Torah focus on the prophecies of the redemption.
Another problem that may result from the division into communities is the division of hearts that may occur between groups, and as Haman warned ‘there is one people scattered and divided’. The problem of division truly led, when it intensified during the period of Greek and Roman edicts, to destruction. Against the fear of division of hearts – Emphasize the prayer for peace at the climax of each prayer.
Best regards, Sh”t
This country still needs a lot of separation for the situation to improve. A major problem in this country in times of peace is an excessive excess of solidarity and intergroup sentimentality. The reflections in the media and politics do not trickle down.
In B”D 2’ Bakhshon P”A
Paradoxically, it was precisely the debates in the Beit Midrash over the understanding of the Holy Scriptures, and later over the understanding of the Mishnah and the Talmud, that created the basis for the union of all parts of Judaism throughout the world, a union that endured even after the destruction of the centers that physically united the nation.
Even when there was no common center – Jews from the far east to the far west had a common basis – the Bible, the Mishnah and the Talmud – which they all accepted as their authority, but argued endlessly about their interpretation. Interpretive debates in which each one challenges his or her fellow Jew with brilliant arguments that he or she must contend with, give the disputants the ’taste’ The fascination of learning, and as Rabbi Yochanan lamented the passing of R”L, who would assail him with difficulties and force him to sit down and so ‘revacha semaata”.
And so even when there was no physical center – the common book formed the center of all the Jews of the world, and the debates around it helped to consolidate the common identity. ‘War that”by the book – There is love at the end’.
With best wishes, Sh”t
I still don't fully understand the argument.
The 'Jewish religion' also has requirements in the context of the 'Jewish nation'. You could argue that 'there is no essential connection between the Jewish religion and the Jewish nation, and that there is only a halakhic requirement to marry (and have relations?) only with people who are committed to the Jewish religion in such a way that they were either born to a Jewish mother or converted according to the halakhic law'. But isn't it simpler to argue that the 'Jewish religion' also contains within it a (deliberate) definition of the 'Jewish nation', and that in any case the 'Jewish religion' also contains a dimension of ethnic identity (fluid and complex, since it is also possible to join it from another ethnic group)?
Z”A: You dedicated the column to the founding definition of Jewish national identity, and even emphasized that there is indeed such a founding definition. Does this rule out the possibility that alongside this there also exists a deliberate definition, and that it is directly related to the Jewish religion, and perhaps even constitutes an important and central component of it?
This goes back to my criticism (which I did not fully understand your answer to) from the previous column.
Time for joy!
Unfortunately I don't understand the question.
1. Is there a difference between what you said and the statement that a Jew is someone who is determined by the law to be a Jew? (According to you, a secular person is a Jew because the law determines that he is obligated to it, it is easier to say that he is a Jew because the law determines).
2.
A. A Jew can be defined as someone who observes Jewish rituals and uses Jewish books and cultural connections, provided that he is committed – that is, he is not a Jew whose ancestors and descendants are all French – because Judaism is a historical phenomenon and therefore belonging to it must have a historical context.
(B. The halachic definition of a Jew can also be understood as this: either a son of a Jewish mother because the mother raises the child and usually the child will accept the culture of his mother, or someone who converted and took upon himself the commandments and then assumed that he would assimilate into Judaism, or a person who is the end of a historical chain of people with Jewish culture, or a person for whom there is reason to assume that he is the beginning of such a chain, when by Jewish culture I mean A.)
C. It seems to me that this is the debate between Kobi Arieli and Asaf Inbari when Arieli says that the use of Jewish texts and a distinctly gentile language is not Jewish, meaning that in his opinion the Jewish cultural context is broader than books and includes a whiff of cholent (a specific language, a way of thinking, with a higher obligation (even if not full) to observe the commandments). Inbari, on the other hand, thinks that the new language can enter and create a new Jewish culture that will be unique to Jews and will use Jewish tools such as holidays and books, etc., as he claims happened during the time of the sages.
Nb Above is a response from Ben Caspit – It seems to me that it is really unfair to use another person's name and maybe it should be deleted.
1. What I said is something else. I claimed that other definitions do not hold water. That they are incorrect in my opinion is clear.
2. I did not understand what is meant by committed to rituals. Not committed to Halacha? And what does this have to do with his children?
(I think it is clear to everyone that this is not the real Ben Kaspit. People here take nicknames of famous personalities from time to time)
Thanks for the response
1. I meant to ask if there is a difference between defining a Jew as someone who is committed to the law and defining a Jew as someone who the law determines to be Jewish.
2. I define Jewishness as Jewish culture, which is a connection to a certain type of rituals, texts, behaviors, way of thinking, language, and so on, and a Jew as a ‘person who is part of a phenomenon of ongoing Jewishness’, it seems to me that whether this is true or not, this is a valid definition.
The logic behind this definition is that when you want to associate a person with a historical phenomenon, you cannot measure only him separately, just as if a defective child who does not meet basic definitions of humanity is born, he will be considered an exceptional instance of a person, and if an intelligent, hairless monkey is born, he will be considered a smart monkey and not a person. Likewise, a Frenchman who behaves like a Jew is a strange instance of Frenchness unless he has actually become a Jew – And this is measured by changing the continuity (as opposed to from a point of clearing discontinuity), for example whether it is likely that his children will also be Jewish. (By 'obliged' I meant to say that if his children were not Jewish, he probably would not have been truly connected to Jewish culture either, but there is no need to reach this argument).
This definition fits the intuitive perception that there is content in Judaism that is not only the commitment to Halacha (for example, traditionalists are perceived as more Jewish than secularists and not only due to very partial observance of mitzvot).
1. What is the difference? Anyone who is defined by Halacha as a Jew is obligated to observe the commandments.
2. This is an unclear mix-up between the national-cultural definition and the religious-values definition.
Religious-value definition: Does it mean a value that exists for Jews and does not exist for Gentiles? If so, what is the value in Halacha? (If this is the value of keeping the commandments of God, Gentiles also have it) and if it means behavior (Halacha) that is appropriate for a Jew and not a Gentile, why is culture not such a type of behavior? In short, why assume that the cultural and religious definitions are separate?
Because halakhic values are obligatory, and cultural “values” are a custom. Culture describes and does not oblige.
Judaism, or Judaism, is originally a Hellenistic term that came to denote the cultural identity of the Jews; and which was used many generations later by the founders of the “Wisdom of Israel” as a synonym for the people of Israel or the Torah. Just as the Torah is longer than a land of measure and wider than the sea, so the uniqueness of the whole of Israel transcends any narrow definition.
The Midrash says: The fruit of the citrus tree is Israel, what this etrog has a taste and a smell, so Israel has people who have Torah and good deeds. The palms of dates are Israel, what this date has a taste and no smell, so Israel has people who have Torah and no good deeds. And the branches of a thick tree are Israel, what this myrtle has a smell and no taste, so Israel has people who have good deeds and no Torah. And the meadows of the river are Israel, what this willow has neither a taste nor a smell, so Israel has people who have neither Torah nor good deeds. And what does the Holy One do for them, He does not allow them to perish, but if the Holy One, they will all be bound together in one union and they will atone for each other, and if you do so, then I will ascend, the Lord who builds in the heavens with His virtues.
To Rabbi Shalom
The distinction between Judaism as a religion and Judaism as a nationality/culture/identity (which you defined as ”Jewishness” if I understood correctly), in my opinion, takes out a significant part of the sting of the debate over secular Judaism. From what I read, hear and understand from discussions, there is no pretense on the part of secular Judaism to be part of the work of the ’, but rather the perception of Judaism and its engagement with it as a significant component of identity. Just as family and community can be a significant component of identity without being committed to a specific norm. They call it Judaism and you call it Jewishness. Fine. We will part as friends as long as it is clear what we are talking about. The debate is reduced to the claim that there is a non-halakhic but uniquely Jewish way to work the ’ (by the way, is “a sin for its own sake– isn't that exactly what it is?).
I get the impression that some of the speakers in the debate who claim to represent Judaism as a religion (Koby Arieli and Yon Magal as the example you gave) – are at least implicitly making a broader claim, according to which Judaism defines and constitutes the criterion for Jewishness as well. Therefore, an important question in my view, in terms of the various circles of identity of the communities that make up the Jewish nation, is the content of “Jewishness” and its relationship to ”Judaism”. This, in my view, is the area in which the non-religious study centers focus their activities.
A question about the substance of a definition – If I understood you correctly, then Judaism is the norm that binds Jews, as they are defined by that norm. Isn't there a circular definition here in which the halakha plays a dual role of definer and defined?
Thank you and Happy Holidays
I don't know what a significant component of identity means. As mentioned, I don't get into debates about national identity. My argument is that it has no value dimension, as I explained.
I didn't understand your question at the end. You introduced a circular definition and then it came out circular. I didn't write any of that. Halacha is what we were commanded at Sinai. The commitment to it is Judaism (in the value sense). I don't see any circularity here.
Congratulations on the column, thank you very much!
(I must say that I was really surprised, I did not believe that the rabbi would devote three columns, or maybe more, to convincing us again that there is no such thing as Israeli thought)
Two main doubts that I have regarding the fundamental discussion of defining concepts:
A. It is difficult for me to understand, for example, what the meaning of the debate is about what democracy is. As if there is some kind of decree in Scripture that a state must run a democratic regime, and we are trying to investigate what that regime is. In fact, at a certain point in history, they reached the reasonable conclusion that the people are allowed to take part in decisions made by the government and that affect it, and this is what is appropriate, and the question is how best to realize this in light of the other demands that exist. In fact, there is a debate about perhaps what the appropriate system of government is, but I do not think that anyone is trying to understand what the person who first claimed this concept meant. In my opinion, the concept of democracy does not really exist, although there are people who argue about it (which I think you called semantic separation). A debate about a concept can perhaps only exist in a world of authority. As I see it, this is the only way to prevent semantic separation. (Authority = a kind of monopoly on the).
B. How do we actually define a concept (assuming we have overcome the barrier of mental laziness)? We collect the known occurrences of the concept, and try to find their narrow common denominator. But wait, what are the known occurrences of the concept? Doesn't the rabbi think that in many cases this point is the root of the dispute?
In this context, I must mention something nice that I heard from Rabbi Gopin in the past. He claimed that true opponents do not exist today, today they are all Hasidic. In the past, if you asked an opponent what the difference is between a gentile and a Jew, he would answer that he does not defile himself in the tent and does not purify his brother's wife for his own use. Today, they will say all sorts of things about a higher soul, etc.
Just an update, I didn't come to convince you that there is no such thing as Israeli thought. Here I assume it and don't prove it. The discussion is about Jewish identity.
A. Regarding democracy, there is no such thing as a "gaze" but there are many people who see value in it (moral, human, social). The question is how to understand and conceptualize this value. Moral values also have validity and therefore they are also worthy of debate. Just as it is impossible to resolve a moral debate by semantic separation (you will call helping others morality and I will call it a vent universe and I will call killing Jews morality).
B. That is why I referred to my series of columns on poetry. Observing the performances and their analysis sharpens the intuition (direct recognition of the concept). This is when the definition is intentional and not constitutive.
The litvak who would answer you this way misses an important point. This is the projection of the difference and not the difference. As with the Galilean Rabbi who says that holy things are lighter than the husband's money, you cannot explain why they are husband's money by saying that a woman can be consecrated with them. This is an implication and not the meaning of the statement itself.
How will the rabbi deal with the separation of the definition of nationality from the definition of values in the discussion about the value of intermarriage?
There is no such value. It is a halakhic prohibition.
I meant, of course, the commitment to this halakhic prohibition.
That is, it is difficult to see how the definition of nationhood can be separated from the ethical content of Judaism.
Just as Germans of the religion of Moses could not hold water, a Jewish nation without the Jewish religion cannot hold water.
After countless arguments with leftist secularists, you finally encouraged me to look from their perspective. It is easy for us believers to see Jewish history as a history of faith or commitment to Torah and Halacha. A secularist who thinks that all of this is nonsense looks back at his ancestors and forefathers, and what distinguishes his people in his eyes is persecution, and therefore lack of power. The ability not to compromise your faith against the accepted thinking in the world. Studying (of Torah in the past) but a secularist sees this as preferring education over comfort or accumulating wealth. He sees his ancestors as a cohesive people with values of helping the weak and the poor, all this when the peoples around him generally prefer their own good (of course there are exceptions). Any such exception, such as the Righteous Among the Nations in the Holocaust, is destined for conversion. The State of Israel was also founded on the ethos of refugees from the sword, educated people who create a unifying army in which the value of brotherhood and help is paramount. Today, when science has advanced, he believes that true Judaism is apostasy, helping refugees and the poor, work and not idleness, with slaves who are released, with people who break idols. Dealing with old and obscure texts is not Judaism in his eyes. Therefore, although the religious Haredi certainly looks like his great-grandfather, he does not represent his ancestors in essence at all. Because his ancestors were like that, when it was progressive and revolutionary, while today, precisely the observance of outdated Halacha is illogical. Therefore, precisely the observance of this Halacha, which in your eyes defines Judaism, in his eyes is anti-Judaism. Therefore, such secularists detest Haredi, it seems to them the complete opposite of Judaism. They want a state that cares for the weak (a welfare state) that helps refugees, that does not conquer another people, a progressive state whose people do not engage in what they believe are nonsense studies and do not observe old rituals. All of this more or less describes the Jews in history among other peoples (or at least this is the ethos that the Jews created for themselves), at least the relationship between them and other peoples according to the knowledge that existed in the past. Of course, not every person in the world needs to be like this. Anyone who wants to be at the forefront of humanity in terms of compassion, education, and innovation is invited to join in, convert, and become a Jew. Therefore, many times such secular people treat religious people as idolaters (which sounds exaggerated to religious ears) - at least they don't behave like Jews. Of course, as a religious person, I disagree with this, but why can't it be argued that this is the definition of Judaism?
Ethos belongs to national characteristics. I am talking about the value dimension. As a Jew, am I obligated to behave in a certain way that if I were a Gentile I would not be obligated to? Is there a non-universal value that obligates me just because I am a Jew? In my understanding, there is none. If I side with the forces, I will do so as a Jew or a Gentile, and if not, I will do so again as a Jew or a Gentile. Being a Jew does not obligate me in any way, but at most characterizes me. I will get to this in more detail in the next column.
If you are looking to define a Jew as someone who has a non-universal value that obligates him only because he is Jewish – then you have shot the arrow and marked the target. Only defining a law that obligates only Jews will define Judaism as such. In my opinion, there is no reason to define Judaism in this way (even a secularist would not dispute that a definition that obligates only Jews is Jewish law). Many see the definition of Judaism as a set of values that characterizes the Jewish people throughout the generations (and there can of course be disputes about what exactly characterizes the Jewish people). Their desire to be Jewish is to continue the tradition of the people to act according to those values that do not obligate anyone else. A high level of mutual guarantee, extraordinary compassion, education, and the like are probably characteristics of the Jewish people as a people. And a secularist may think it is wrong to want to be a partner in that mutual guarantee and act together with the people who “convert” and link their fate and aspirations with that people. (That is why seculars see those who come to serve in the army or volunteer on a kibbutz as someone who converts and joins the Jewish people and wonder how a Russian who served in the army was buried outside the fence). This is a good example, a secularist sees a binding value to bury such a Russian along with everyone else and that burying him outside the fence, according to Halacha, is a desecration of Judaism. – Here is an example of a value that binds you as a Jew (according to their perception). Something similar is the attitude towards a refugee, which perhaps we as former refugees are more obligated to do than other nations. Or as a people that was liberated from Egypt and the ethos (which perhaps the secularist does not truly believe in, but this is the perception of the people) that the Creator freed us from Egypt, and therefore we are obligated to be the first to be freed from enslaving a foreign (Palestinian) people. This has nothing to do with Halacha at all, and is not mentioned in the sources, but it is a value that we are commanded to do more because of history and preserving the way of our people.
I will add more. In the past, those who immigrated to America to make their home were treated with disdain and contempt as a descendant, almost as much as those who were exterminated. No one thinks that there is anything universally wrong with making money. But a Jew who renounces mutual security in the land for hedonism is considered to be doing an un-Jewish thing (even though it is not obligatory). Whether it is possible to persist in these values is another question, but I assume that many secular people aspire to this kind of Judaism, and therefore it is important for them to define Judaism as such.
For the third time, I answered all of this. All eight values are universal. Not related to Judaism in any way. You can also define those who wear pants as Jews, because they really do wear pants. A shared destiny with the Jewish people also, of course, cannot define this people, because it is a circular definition. Shared with whom?
You are talking at most about a national definition, and I am talking about Judaism in the moral sense. And indeed you are right, my words are necessarily correct. Is this the blame?
The source of postmodernism is the thought of every person that his words are necessarily true – the solution to enabling coexistence is postmodernism. (It would be more correct for everyone to teach themselves to say I don't know, that is, to be a little unsure of the righteousness of their own path, and thus be able to get along with their friend, which is also a type of postmodernism). Your method is known that every value is necessarily universal (this is why you think that the commandments cannot express values, because a value is necessarily universal). It all stems from a desire for pure rationality, the problem is that every person has their own rationale. The truth is that this is the root of free choice (I read your column on the subject, but I don't think you went into the depth of the matter of free choice, because I can always ask why a certain person made the choice they did. And if I am able to answer this question, then it actually turns out that his choice is not free. Divinity is in a place that is incomprehensible to man, and the incomprehensible is also what separates people and gives each person his independence). You (probably like me) are captive to your own definitions of what a value is, what the commandments are, and what faith is. I will just end with a question about your approach, which you wrote “I am talking about Judaism in a value sense” after all, in many columns you take the trouble to explain that Judaism is not value-based, and that values are universal. So how come you are suddenly looking for “value-based Judaism”? And a question that really interests me is where in your opinion a Russian who served in the army should be buried. There is halacha and there is a value (you would say that it is universal) there is a conflict, and can a secular Jew say that his burial outside the fence is fake Judaism? Therefore, as a “Jewish value” he sees an act against halacha. Another case is also possible, such as returning a lost thing to a Gentile (when there is no blasphemy). The Talmudic answer is probably clear, but there are Jews who would say that returning a lost thing to any person is a Jewish value (it is not certain that the trouble of returning a lost thing is a universal value). One could also talk about prohibiting lending at interest (it is not certain that it is a value), but it is a Jewish idea, and the complicated question is how you deal with lending to a Gentile. Jews can stand up and claim that a Jewish value for them (not mandatory of course) is not to lend to anyone at interest. But it is clear that this is completely not a universal value.
And love your neighbor as yourself, this is a great rule in the Torah. Mutual guarantee, mercy, kindness and charity, education in order to benefit all, these are universal values that spread throughout the world after the nations of the world learned them from Israel. The words of Rabbi Michi seem to be a third time from the words of Rabbi Michi.
Akiva, your words are a mix of concepts. The question is not who has the copyright on these values, but whether they can serve as a touchstone for Judaism (today). I don't understand what's so complicated, and why the same thing needs to be repeated over and over again.
In my opinion, the question is not who has the copyright but who has the duty/right to be the one who pushes for the creation and promotion of values. Some define Judaism as a nation that strives and educates for the integration and progress of the world to fix the world (for the religious “in the kingdoms are enough” and the secular just wants to fix the world). Anyone who wants to join the flag is welcome. And this can be the “touchstone” because to this day the Jews have had such an important role in history and we strive to continue to be like that (and the secular will continue and not start to degenerate)
Rabbi Michi, the Torah was and will be a general touchstone for Judaism. Since the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself is a great rule in the Torah, meaning it encompasses the entire Torah, it is a touchstone for Judaism. And it has already been said about the people of the Second Temple: We know those who were diligent in the Torah and were careful in the commandments and tithes, and every good regulation was in them, except that they loved wealth and hated one another without reason. I am sure that the people of the Second Temple defined themselves as Jews, fearing God, committed to the law, scrupulous about the easy as well as the hard, and yet the main thing was missing from the book.
Our nation is not a nation except through its Torah (R.G). Nevertheless, the Sages were wise and said: Moses received Torah from Sinai, and they did not say Israel received Torah from Sinai, that Halacha is a touchstone for Judaism only if it stems from humility, and the man Moses was very humble of all men, that only Torah that stems from humility can be accepted by all of Israel. Otherwise, excessive commitment to Halacha may, God forbid, contradict the Torah. For example, the day that the House of Shammai fought over the House of Hillel was difficult for Israel on the day that the calf was made, Rabbi Eliezer says: On that day they filled the grave, Rabbi Yehoshua says: On that day they wiped it out. Therefore, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: On three things the world stands: on justice, on truth, and on peace.
From what I understand, the definition of Judaism here is not a commitment that distinguishes the Jew, but rather a religious commitment.
There are religious people like Baal priests, Christian bishops, Karaite rabbis, and Jewish rabbis, all of whom have a religious commitment.
From the secular perspective (I speak for myself, but I think there are other secular people who agree with this) the problem is the religiousness of the commitment, not the commitment that is not religious.
Rabbi Michi, a comment/clarification regarding the use of the word obligation that I think creates confusion for quite a few people. When you write “obligation to the law” I think it is interpreted by most people in the following sense:
“obligation that the person voluntarily undertook to obey the law”
When in practice you mean (if I understood correctly) to:
“The law (as a type of object in itself) sees that person as obligated to “obey” it (even if he does not recognize this obligation or does not want to obey this obligation, such as a secular person).
A kind of difference between active and passive (but not exactly).
I think that precisely when it comes to a Gentile who converted, this lack of clarity does not come into play because the two meanings are kind of merged.
Therefore, it might be worth replacing “committed to Halacha” with “one who is obligated by Halacha” or something like that, when referring to the definition of Judaism, and “one who decides to commit to Halacha / act according to Halacha” when referring to someone who has decided to obey Halacha even though Halacha does not consider him obligated (such as a Gentile who observes a commandment but has not undergone a Halacha conversion).
A question for clarification, does your definition of ‘Jew’ relate to ‘Judaism’ or ‘Jewishness’? That is, is an individual who is part of Judaism called a Jew by you? And if so, what is the noun for an individual who is part of Judaism?
Thank you.
Indeed. And I insisted on this and made it clear in my words.
The definition of conduct (commitment to halakha in the sense that one actually observes) refers to Judaism. On the other hand, Jewishness is belonging to the Jewish people, and for this it is enough to be the son of a Jewish mother even if you do not actually practice as a Jew. But the commitment to the commandments in the sense that one must observe, of course, refers to Jewishness.
I think I came out a little more confused 🙂
I'll try to define the concepts a little more explicitly and I would be happy if you could please confirm/correct my understanding:
Jew – Someone who meets one of the following definitions:
A. The group of men and women who were physically present at the covenant at Sinai (does this include only the descendants of Jacob and the women they married or also the Rabbi?).
B. A man or woman who has undergone a conversion according to the law.
C. A descendant of a woman who belongs to group A’ or B’.
Judaism – Obedience to the law.
Basically, we say that a person who ”practices” Judaism is a person who obeys the law / acts according to the law, even if the law does not consider him to be obligated to obey it (such as a gentile), right?
Jewishness – Belonging to the Jewish group, in the sense that Halacha considers such a person to be obligated to act in accordance with it (even if he does not recognize this).
Jew. In my opinion, not entirely accurate on a logical level, but you meant it correctly. I think the logically accurate way is recursively: Sarah was Jewish. Anyone who converted according to the law is a Jew. A son of a Jewish mother is a Jew.
Regarding the Rabbi, I have no information. Anyone who has passed the Sinai Covenant is a Jew.
Judaism. Walking according to the law.
Jewishness. Someone who is obligated by the law to observe it (i.e. every Jew). Therefore, this is an equivalent definition to a Jew.
A gentile who observes the law does indeed practice and live in a Jewish manner, but he is not a Jew. A Jew who does not practice according to the law is a Jew but does not practice and live in a Jewish manner.
All of this, of course, deals with Jews and Judaism in the religious-values sense and not in the ethnic-national-cultural sense.
Thank you very much.
I was indeed aiming for a recursive definition, and I missed it.
Another point between the religious sense and the national/cultural sense. Here too, it seems to me that confusion has arisen because we use the same term (Jewish) to describe both concepts (members of the Jewish religion and members of the Jewish people). There are usually different terms, such as French people but members of the Christian religion (or any other religion). Another example that is similar to Judaism is perhaps the Druze.
Do you agree? Or is there still something unique in Judaism that connects the two concepts, and in fact, whoever separates from one of them is actually separate from the other (for example, an atheist Jew)?
Could you please clarify the difference between a people/nation/culture/ethnos? Are they objects that exist on their own and define those who belong to/are committed to them or are they defined by the individuals and therefore can change quite freely according to consensus (or another method)?
If I understood you correctly, you are essentially saying that in the last few decades (maybe a few hundred) there has actually begun to be a split between the two understandings of Judaism, and therefore this dissonance has been created (which perhaps leads secular people to feel more "Israeli" than "Jewish")?
“And in fact, whoever separates from one of them actually separates from the other (for example, an atheist Jew)?”
I was wrong here, I meant, let's say, someone who was born to a Jewish father but not a Jewish mother, and therefore falls outside the religious sense.
The question of whether there is anything unique about Judaism depends on one's perspective. One could say that the Jewish nation can be defined without reference to the Jewish religion. Hebrew speakers and falafel eaters. There is no way to decide on definitions of nationhood and culture. Of course, none of these are binding and have no value dimension. It is a description.
Factually, such a split has certainly been created. Many Jews who are certainly part of the Jewish nation have no connection to Jewish law and religiosity.
Things that are sacrilegious (as usual in the Holy Land).
In the previous column I responded, and it's a shame…
I got to reading this column and things are much more enlightening. A big shout out to the rabbi 🙂
After our rabbis taught that all of Judaism is the observance of Halacha – we found ourselves learning that when there is a dispute about what Halacha is, there is a stricter and a more lenient judge – then, in the opinion of the stricter, the lenient judge does not observe Halacha, and it is found that he is not part of Judaism 🙂
With blessings, Selector of Judaism
And another question:
What is the difference between an anti-Semitic gentile who diligently observes the ’halakha in the knowledge that Esau hates Jacob’ – Is such a gentile considered part of Judaism?
With greetings, the aforementioned selector
However, Judaism is a ‘religion’. Just as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism are not just a dry collection of laws, but a complete set of beliefs and knowledge, worldviews and lifestyles, liturgy and customs – so in Judaism, although the ’laws’ and practical commandments occupy an important and central place – its sources are full of all the aspects that characterize any religion – belief and custom, beliefs and knowledge and ways of cultivating an emotional connection with God.
’Religion’ deals with creating a connection with God and cultivating it on all levels, in thought, speech and deed. It is not possible to isolate one aspect of the overall whole.
With greetings, Sh”z
And yet, although Judaism is a whole, which should not be broken down into its components, there is still value in maintaining the connection to that part to which one is connected, because when disconnected, one may move away completely without any change, but when the emotional connection to a certain part continues, there is a greater chance that this connection will also extend to the other layers.
And as the Baal Shem Shem regretted the conversion of the Frank sect, despite the serious corruptions that existed in this sect, the Baal Shem Shem Shem believed that as long as the member is connected and not completely severed, there is still a chance for the rupture to heal.
With blessings, Shalom
In Tishrei 28, 5a
It should be noted that Ramada's definition of Judaism as being obligated to observe the Torah's commandments out of faith that He commanded them in His Torah is exactly the definition of the "righteous among the nations," who accept upon themselves the seven commandments of the children of Noah because He commanded them in His Torah.
More is required of the children of Israel than this. Not only to observe the 13 commandments, but also to engage in the Torah and cling to it with love and fear, all of which are much broader than mechanical and dry obedience to the practical commandments. In fact, the children of Noah also have a connection to the Torah in those commandments that they are obligated to, and in this law of the Torah it also belongs to the children of Noah to engage in and ascend.
Best regards, Sh”t
Still, the commitment to the mitzvot is the necessary basis.
The commitment to the mitzvot with the addition of all the beautiful and important things you mentioned is possible. But just the addition without the commitment to the mitzvot – will not hold. It seems to me that this is what the definition is talking about.
(That is, the commitment to the mitzvot occupies not an important and central place as you mentioned, but a necessary place without which there is nothing. Without it, the organ may, at times, be connected a little longer, but not overwhelmingly and not for long)
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Lanb ”B – Shalom Rav,
In Judaism, body and soul are connected:
The practical commandments, the ‘obligations of the members’ – are the body of Judaism; faith in Him, His love and fear, the ‘obligations of the hearts’ – are the soul of Judaism.
Just as a soul needs to be expressed in the body – so the body needs a soul to liven it up. Without a strong faith and emotional connection to God, the dry performance of the commandments becomes a torture of the soul, which leads a person to disgust him. Those who are already accustomed to observing the commandments – He may continue them without faith and emotion out of inertia, but his children will already feel the father's unwillingness and are more likely to leave the path altogether.
And as the Torah warned, the service of God should be "with joy and good heart," and when the prophets justified the destruction by "for their boasting of my Torah," Chazal explained, "they did not bless the Torah first." Observing commandments without faith and an emotional connection to the One who commanded them does not last in the long run.
When Judaism is not fragmented and disintegrated, but encompasses all levels of personality, mind and emotion, thought and action, then it is a "Torah of Life." That it has a stable existence.
Best regards, Sh”t
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True. Technical observance of the mitzvot may be lacking.
But still, the love of God, the knowledge of God, the intuition, the consciousness, the comprehensive intellectual understanding – whatever you call it – can be established and perfected to high levels only through observance of the mitzvot. (And including, of course, Torah study).
In addition, the fact that some of us still have a certain connection or a certain consciousness without the mitzvot is only because the other parts still observe the mitzvot.
Of course, the interdependence of these things can be found in the basic verse: “You shall love the ’ your God… and these things which I command you today…..”
How will you love? Through the commandments that I command.
(And beyond that, the emotional connection, my consciousness... is itself also a command. So we are back to the same definition).
This is not a vort. This is the essence of the matter.
Although the verses can also be interpreted differently.
In the Book of Genesis 5771
Lanb ” Shalom Rav,
According to the interpretation of Chazal, Parashat Shema preceded the verse ’Vohiyah Im Shmoa’, teaching us that first a person will receive the yoke of the Kingdom of Heaven, faith in and love for God, and from that he will receive the yoke of commandments.
Likewise, the Torah does not begin with this new moon for you’ but with the book of Genesis, which embodies the foundations of Judaism, faith, love of God, fear of Him, and the good qualities that we inherited from our ancestors. ‘Thousands of Years of Torah’ Beginning in the year 142 of Abraham, when he began preaching the faith in Haran, 23 years before he received the commandment from God, “Go, go,” and about 500 years before the establishment of the status of Mount Sinai.
With blessings, Sh.
It seems to me that this does not contradict what I said, but rather complements it.
Accepting the yoke of the Kingdom of Heaven initiates the process, but without the commandments there will be no process.
So too does the general process that Abraham initiated..
And perhaps we are essentially saying the same things.
I have a few questions of course. But one in particular. I have an uncle whose father is Jewish and converted to Judaism among the liberals in France. He behaves like a traditional Jew in every way (and looks like them too).
In contrast, the wife of a friend of my family converted to Judaism among the Orthodox and behaves like a traditionalist to the best of my knowledge. I feel that my uncle is more committed to the law and closer to Judaism and yet he is less Jewish, so to speak.
What is the value of conversion, I don't understand? (I think he was circumcised, I don't know if he was baptized in a mikveh)
A Gentile who observes the mitzvot remains a Gentile until he undergoes a proper conversion.
The question is what is the difference between converting "according to the law" in order not to observe it and converting liberally (assuming he is circumcised and baptized in a mikveh) in order to observe the law in the traditional way.
Conversion that is not done in order to save is not “proper”. Conversion is done only in order to save everything.
This is a pishta. In fact, it is not a pishta, sometimes in the eyes of the rabbi they are "proper" or he prefers such a conversion (he guesses in advance that they will be traditional, rightly so) than leaving a Jew with a gentile (lest one of Israel be completely lost).
I didn't understand the comment. Consequential considerations are irrelevant. This is not a question of which is better. Conversion without receiving a commandment is not conversion. Although the convert does not have to know all the halakha and intend every detail, but rather a principled obligation. And then if he does not observe anything, it does not matter, as long as the judge assesses that his intention is to receive a commandment.
Greetings to the Rabbi
If indeed Judaism is characterized by a commitment to Jewish law
Then why is it really so with conversion (it depends on acceptance of the observance of the law)
But on the other hand, the law also determined that a person born to a Jewish mother is a Jew
(characterized by race) even without accepting the halachic obligation
That is, what does it matter if a person born to a Jewish woman is a Jew
Without a commitment to accepting the law.
N”A
I am aware that conversion has the concrete characteristic of Judaism (observance of the law)
And not in being a Jew by birth that Judaism gives without the law.
I didn't understand the question. Conversion requires a halakhic commitment because Judaism is halakhic. It is true that after a person is Jewish, not observing halakhic (walking a non-Jewish path) does not cause him to lose his Jewishness. He is still obligated to observe halakhic even if he does not observe it in practice and does not recognize it.
Regarding the difference between a ger and a Jew by birth, it is like the requirements for an American citizen compared to the requirements for an American naturalized citizen. The latter must be a normative person and be tested on American history and culture, and the former can be completely ignorant and still remain an American. There is a difference between the requirement for someone to join a club and the requirements by virtue of which a person will lose his membership in it. The same is true in a family, when they come to adopt a child, it is likely that they will choose a good child and not accept a serial criminal. But if the family has a child who is a serial criminal, he still belongs to the family.
There are analogies here, but the matter is still not understood, and it seems (H”W) that you are referring here to a given arbitrary metaphysics. Why is there really a difference between a citizen and a naturalized person? If not metaphysics, then for example it could be that part of the utilitarian mutual agreement between citizens includes unconditional recognition of the citizenship of each offspring, but towards others there is no such thing. In a family, a child is someone for whom one feels emotional feelings or has a moral responsibility as a result of the decision to bring him into the world. If these are the reasons, then the comparison to conversion is problematic. So what is the common ground that allows you to point out and demonstrate? Of course, if there are no good reasons, then this is just a complicated human behavior that should be corrected, and certainly not continued to eat garlic and drift away into the distance.
I have nothing to add. It seemed obvious to me, and I explained what I had to say.
How is it obvious how. What is it?
Rabbi, you made an analogy here between Judaism and American citizenship, but regarding both cases, what is the justification for automatically accepting a descendant of a Jew/citizen into the ”family” without accepting a voluntary commitment from that descendant? Is there a rational explanation for this? Because on the face of it, it seems that only the conversion/citizenship process is “justified” objectively. I am of course speaking on a principled level, and without reference to the case of a child (who is not yet fully free), etc.
Thank you.
I've already explained. I don't accept the descendant. From the moment he is born, he is already part of the family. It's like the difference between inheritance and ownership. A minor cannot buy, but he inherits his father. To inherit, one doesn't have to buy (he steps into his father's shoes).
I intend to go back one step. What is the justification for allowing the “inheritance” mechanism at all (in the context of Judaism/citizenship)? What is the rational basis that makes this mechanism valid?
The conversion mechanism is understandable, since the person chooses to assume the duties and rights and can therefore be accepted into the group. But why allow the “automatic entitlement” mechanism of birth? For that matter, rationally (at least theoretically), there is no objective-value reason for a person to care more about his own children than about other children.
This discussion is pointless. A rational argument always starts from assumptions, and there is no point in discussing them. Commitment to family is not a reasonable discussion to have. That is self-evident. You can equally ask why a person would take care of himself.
There is nothing to discuss about a premise, but there are analogies to premises (the need for an analogy indicates that the claim itself is not a premise). And the very analogy indicates that there is a description of the premise that can be detailed.
But there are cases where the inheritance mechanism is not considered acceptable. Such as for example positions in companies/governments/armies etc.
Why is it reasonable to grant automatic citizenship to a child but not to make him a member of Knesset just because his father is a member of Knesset? I went a bit to the extreme but I guess you get the point. I would appreciate it if you could try to give some motivations or criteria for when the inheritance/birth mechanism is considered reasonable/acceptable?
Thank you.
In the month of September 17, 1981
To Zevulun and Meir - Greetings,
The people of Israel are similar to other nations in that national identity is inherited, for someone born to parents who are American or French citizens is automatically an American or French citizen, while someone who wants to become a citizen must pass strict tests.
And as Ramada likened it to a family, a natural child is automatically considered part of the family, while in the case of adoption, one must pass strict tests of suitability and competence.
However, there is also an exceptional dimension to Jewish identity. One can renounce American or French citizenship. On the other hand, when the possibility of 'being like the Gentiles' arose during the exile, God made it clear to them through the prophet Ezekiel that the covenant with God is eternal, and as was made clear in the covenant made on the Plains of Moab, 'a people who are and who are not', that there is no turning back. God cannot replace us with another nation, nor can we withdraw from the agreement.
The covenant between the people of Israel and their God is a 'covenant of destiny'. The people of Israel received a role to represent God in the world. This role is sometimes very difficult, to be the vanguard that carries God's way in the world. The world needs an 'Archimedes point' That will move him and advance him in terms of faith and values, and this ’Archimedes point’ is us.
And therefore, says the ’who chose Abram ‘for I have known him that he would command his house and his children after him, and they would keep the way of the ’to do righteousness and justice’. The sons are not made the people of the ’by the merit of the fathers, but the fathers were chosen because of their ability to bring forth from among them a people worthy of fulfilling their difficult role.
And perhaps that is why the Jew receives his identity through the mother, who bears the brunt of the sorrow of conceiving, giving birth, and raising the sons. Being a Jew means living a constant life of self-sacrifice, and this is learned from the mother.
With blessings, Sh”z
The question is, is it something metaphysical, a sensory description, an interpersonal agreement, or something else?
Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question I asked.
By the way, regarding American citizenship, I think a child of an American parent born outside the US does not receive citizenship immediately, but there are some conditions, I think you have to prove an affinity for the country and/or live for a period of time in the US. Also, a child born on US territory but whose parents are not citizens, I think is also entitled to immediate citizenship (but I'm not sure). By the way, only a person born as a US citizen is entitled to run for president (a naturalized citizen cannot).
Already here we can see exceptions/limitations regarding the inheritance mechanism.
I would be happy if the Rabbi could give some directions regarding when the inheritance mechanism is indeed acceptable/reasonable.
And as described there in the Plains of Moab immediately after the verse you mentioned, the practical meaning of the covenant is – ‘to be or not to be’..
The above is true.
Thanks Rabbi
I meant to ask
After all, the Rabbi quantifies all of Judaism as observance of Halacha
And finally, Halacha itself expands the definition of Judaism even without observing a single comma from it
After all, it determines for the Jews themselves that as a Jew, there is no need to observe Halacha (as long as he was born to a Jewish mother)
And so does one who is old enough to accept the obligation to Halacha and will never lose his citizenship (if he observes, which is good)
How then can it be determined that observance of Halacha is Judaism
If in practice it is the one that determines that being a Jew does not require observing it (in order to be a Jew)?
Not quantifying but perhaps reducing.
Everything was explained well in my words.
I personally have never tolerated (and still do not tolerate) this word “Judaism” . For me, it is a kind of culture (which for some reason even the ultra-Orthodox find important – Yiddishkeit). Who cares about culture anyway. The only thing that exists – that is, that has an impact on reality – is the Torah. But culture is modeling. That is, a lie. I don't know what happened to the rabbi (as a student of the Briskites) who even started discussing this subject and was looking for a definition for something that was of no importance. Perhaps it was a deterioration that followed his loss of faith in reward and punishment. In that case, even the Torah (and the Mussor) are a step away from being a culture in themselves (aesthetics).
Judaism is something for puffed-up and empty intellectual discussions (vain sciences). It is in the same basket as Christianity, Islam, heritage folklore and other kinds of vegetables. With budgets from various ministries, etc. I don't know what a rabbi, as a former physicist, has to look for a definition for it.
Thanks for the article that gives food for thought
What would the rabbi say about a Gentile who keeps the 7 commandments of the Law? How would the criterion relate to him?
I didn't understand the question.
Is a Gentile who observes the 7 commandments of the sons of Noah a Jew in terms of content?
Because he observes the halakha as he is obligated to, why don't we call him a Jew according to what you say?
Basically what I'm asking is whether your definition is sufficient to define a Jew (you could say that the reference here is limited to content, and then my question doesn't matter that much, although perhaps one can philosophize about it)
What's the point? The Seven Commandments are a universal culture, not a Jewish one. This is a moral gentile who also behaves appropriately from a religious perspective. Commitment to Halacha means commitment to the whole of Halacha, not to the Seven Commandments.
I understand. Thank you!