Another Look at the Predicament of Secularism: How Do You Deal with an Empty Wagon? (Column 425)
With God’s help
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In the last two columns I touched, in various ways, on secular values and the secular predicament that accompanies them. Here I wish to conclude this trilogy, that is, to address directly the predicament, its meaning, and its implications. I’ll preface by noting that I’ve already addressed most of these points in the past; my aim here is mainly to focus and sharpen them.
The context
In column 423 on Rabin’s assassination I commented on the secular vacuum that creates an acute need for a rebbe and a path-setter—a need that leads people to treat a redhead with no heritage as if he were a world-class thinker and a leader of historic stature, and to wail and mourn his death as if their grandpa or their rebbe had been murdered. In column 424 I discussed the value of life, which is also being devalued in secular culture. One can still hear pathetic verbiage about the “sanctity of life,” but in my estimation this is a leftover from religious discourse (see, for example, in the talkback here and in my response), and it’s no wonder that it fades with time. Gradually it’s being replaced by the value of autonomy, and in fact by the dominant value (soon the only one) of a value-vacuum and the absence of sacred principles beyond bare life and the right to do whatever you feel like (what the existentialists, in their confused parlance, call “existence precedes essence”).
Against this backdrop I recalled that a few days ago I saw an article by a man named Rami Livni (who, as I noticed, tends to write in Haaretz columns about secular Judaism), in which he argues, with good taste and sense, that Judaism needs secularism. The article’s headline is “Only the secular will continue Judaism,” but I assume the site provided the headline rather than the author (as is customary). Be that as it may, I presume I needn’t describe to you what’s written there. All these columns are predictable, banal clones of one another, and needless to say they’re all vanity and a striving after wind. Sometimes they point to problems (some real) in religious and traditional Judaism; in most cases they explain what secular Judaism is and leave it to the fevered imagination of the reader to understand why secular Judaism is the sure prescription for an authentic and productive continuation of Judaism.
Is there criticism here? The “empty wagon” predicament
The predicament created by the secular vacuum (an empty wagon) is understandable. It’s hard to live without anything worth dying for. Rotblit wrote it and Ariel Zilber sang it—and eventually decided to take a step to improve the situation. It’s difficult when you have no binding values, no rebbes (why do rebbes sprout like mushrooms after rain in the Hasidic world?), no heritage, no national and cultural identity, and the like (see here, here, here, and here, and in the series of columns 336 and on). In such a situation nothing is supposed to matter to you. I’ve already clarified in the past that I claim this on two levels: (A) If there are secular values, there’s nothing Jewish about them. They are universal. So even if there are secular values, a secular Jewish identity is certainly not present here (see the links in the parentheses above). (B) The existence of such values in a secular world is inconsistent, since in fact there cannot be values in a world devoid of God (see my book The First Being, Fourth Conversation, part C). This is the emptiness of analyticity and the emptiness of secularism that emerges from it and in turn reproduces it.
I have made clear more than once that I am making a philosophical claim here, not an empirical-factual one. There are many secular people who are wonderful human beings—by my impression, no fewer in number and quality than among the religious. My claim is that they are inconsistent. Their wagon is empty in the philosophical sense, not necessarily in the human sense. In other words, secular morality exists as a phenomenon on the psychological plane (values are embedded in them and they act accordingly) but not on the philosophical plane (they cannot infer the values and decide to be committed to them). At most there is here an implicit faith (that is, someone who is committed to values is a covert believer, even if he himself is unaware of it; see columns 191 and 194).
By the way, these words of mine are not a critique of secularism but a description of it and of what emerges from it and is reflected through it. This is indeed the picture that follows from a secular world. I certainly do not expect that someone suffering from such a predicament will repent because in the religious world he will find values and rebbes (come spend Shabbat with us). My critique of the religious world is also well known in certain respects regarding adherence to values and leaders solely out of psychological need (opium for the masses, as Marx rightly said). If that is a person’s outlook, so be it; he must make peace with it. Nor am I interested in rubbing salt into the wounds of a population in distress (though in most cases they are not aware of this predicament; it finds expression in various ways). What would be fitting in the face of such distress is to turn to a psychologist who will create meaning for them where it doesn’t exist. It’s hard to live without meaning. True, it comes out a bit amusing (see column 159), but at least it’s an understandable and natural outlet. If there are no real meanings, let us create something artificial that will at least keep us going.
My critique here is directed only at those whose distress drives them out of their senses and leads them to find values where there are none; that is, to think that the meanings they have created ex nihilo are equivalent to real meanings. That’s what leads people to write, again and again, nonsense like this.
Since these things recur under every green tree (apparently due to the acute predicament and inferiority complex vis-à-vis the full wagon), I thought it right, after all, to devote to them a short column, even though most of the points have already been discussed by me elsewhere.
A first glance: three assumptions
The claim in the title of Livni’s article rests on three assumptions of different kinds, each of which requires examination:
- Factual-evaluative assumption: secularism is a continuation (at least possible, even if not necessary) of Judaism.
- Evaluative assumption: there is value in the existence and continuation of Judaism in this sense.
- Factual assumption: it is secularism that will continue Judaism.
As noted, Livni himself does not deal with survival but with the idea that Judaism needs secularism. But I assume that this need is for its existence and survival. Therefore I will continue to discuss these three assumptions.
Claim A is, at the very least, odd. Judaism has always been a religion. True, there was a nation that bore it, but what defined it was its origin and its religion. Its origin is an ethnic fact, and its religion is a value-laden and ideological decision. The origin is the technical framework, and the religion is the essential content that is passed on. Now the descendants of that nation-religion, who preserve only the ethnic framework without the essential content, come along and declare themselves its authentic (or at least: an authentic) continuers. Ethnically and genetically this is of course correct, but that’s a trivial fact, and I assume this is not the point of his claim nor of the debates against it. In the essential sense, in what way is he continuing traditional Judaism? That he speaks Hebrew? Studies the Bible or the legends of the Sages and Jewish history? That he is a moral person? That he lives in Israel? One can argue about each such feature, but even if I accept all of them as legitimate Jewish features (it seems to me that among these only Hebrew might perhaps qualify), why does this matter at all? This brings me to claim B.
Suppose that a set of genetic and ethnic features can sustain a definition of some type of Judaism. Definitions tolerate anything. Is there value in holding on to such features? What is the value in the continuation of Judaism in this sense? The claim that only secularism can continue Judaism, or that Judaism needs it, apparently assumes that there is some value here. I am Jewish in all these technical senses just as a Belgian is Belgian and a Tanzanian is Tanzanian. Is there value in an inborn affiliation that I did not choose? And if this group were to become extinct (physically or culturally), what would be bad about that? There will be other people who will conduct themselves in ways that seem right to them. And even if I did choose this affiliation for reasons of taste and sentiment—so what? Are following my personal taste and sentiment of any value? I also choose to wear black trousers and sandals made by Mahmoud Abbas. I belong there because that’s how I was born. That’s all; and even if I chose an ethnic affiliation (doubtful—it’s clear that most of us did not choose it), it has no evaluative significance. I chose to live in neighborhood A or B, or to engage in profession C or D. So what?
Were I not afraid to say it, I would ask him whether, in his view, anything in the characteristics of secular society constitutes the fulfillment of the will of the Almighty. I’m not speaking of positive values that this society has—values found in many societies worldwide. I’m speaking of its Judaism. That is the only point under discussion. Is there here a continuation of the mission of our forefather Abraham? Was his mission that someone speak Hebrew? What would have been wrong with Tanzanian?
Only after all this can we ask the factual question (which is already clear to be entirely unimportant): will secularism indeed continue Judaism? I very much doubt it—but time will tell.
Back to the article
If you look in his article for any hint of engagement with any of these three claims, it will be in vain. He merely describes the essence of secular Judaism without explaining in what way it is Jewish. Critical interest in the history of the Jewish people and its personalities is, in my view, far from constituting a criterion of Jewishness; nor is the establishment of a moral and open society. You will not find with him even any arguments for claim C (that Judaism needs secularism, or that secularism will continue Judaism). He focuses on describing the ambivalent historical and cultural link that secular Judaism has to the past—and that’s it. The conclusions—why this is necessary and vital, or why this is what will carry us forward—you will look for there in vain. That is left to the reader’s wild imagination. Not to mention arguments as to why any of this has value. In his remarks, as in all his hundreds of boring, bored, and boring clones—the humanistic secular Judaism crowd—there is not even a sliver of a hint on this matter. Imagine an article in which I described my relationship to the used sandals of women in Venice taller than 1.70 meters. I would devote my life to researching the matter and critically engaging with other approaches to those sandals. I would then expect you, my loyal readers, to understand why this is the most meaningful pursuit for the survival of Judaism—or even of the city of Venice—and why, for heaven’s sake, this peculiar occupation and its survival have any value at all.
Consider, for example, the following pathetic passage:
When the secular Zionist looks back, he chooses not to focus first on the continuity of belief, texts, and rituals—that is, on “tradition”—even if he does not deny their centrality and power for those times. His attention is given first to the historical, national, linguistic, and experiential continuum; and also to literary and cultural aspects that do not derive their validity only from religion and go beyond it. He will be less interested in the question of what moral literature commands, and more in the question of how it influenced communal cohesion.
He speaks again and again of survival and continuity without defining what is at issue, and certainly without addressing the value of a mere simple factual affiliation and its continuation. Think about my experiential and historical continuum with the tall women of Venice and their sandals. Unlike them, I do not espouse their values or their beliefs—but I certainly engage with their sandals. And that’s really something, isn’t it!
When I referred Chayuta Deutsch to this article (and asked her for a working link—thanks for that), she said that, in her eyes, Livni proposes to continue the shoe size of our forefather Abraham. That gave me the association to the sandals of the women of Venice. It seems to me this is not a bad description of his article. Even in a talkback there (number 90), someone wonders what on earth Livni means when he says that Israel needs secularism. He did not even hint as to why—not even a subtle hint.
This article reminds me of the poor Chinese man who received two pennies of charity and bought with them a slice of bread and a flower. When asked why he didn’t buy two slices of bread, he replied: the bread is to live, and the flower is to have something to live for (look at me—I’m a legitimate continuer of Chinese culture; I just look at it and interpret it in my own way). Livni deals with the technical and factual framework while completely dropping the evaluative essence. So what’s the point of all this?
I have likewise written more than once (for example, in column 419; see also 139, 34, 240, and 266) about the Talmudic discussion of “He to study and his son to study—he precedes his son.” At times we have the sense that our goal is to pass on the Torah torch, and sometimes that overshadows the duty to study ourselves. But if we engage only in passing the torch, who in this chain will study Torah? For whom are we doing all this? Mere survival, absent content whose survival has value, has no value. A framework has no value if it is not dedicated to transmitting some evaluative content.
Later he speaks of historical memory and the (ambivalent) connection to the historical heroes of Judaism. But what is the value in all this? Why is this connection important if it does not serve to pass on values or certain evaluative missions? These connections are, first of all, a fact, and then a sentiment and a personal taste. This is, of course, a perfectly legitimate hobby. Let everyone engage in what he fancies—but there is no reason to make an ideology out of it.
Is someone who obsessively (though critically) busies himself with the fate of his elementary-school classmates carrying a torch of significance for the generations? Is there any point in making an ideology out of this? To argue about it, to debate with people of other views? To explain why the memory of the class needs this engagement? Do whatever you want—just spare me.
Summary
I will repeat that I have no criticism of the emptiness of the secular wagon. That follows from its very essence, and my statements about the emptiness are a description, not a judgment. My criticism is of the blindness of those who drive it and of turning emptiness into an alternative content. I must further sharpen that my intent here is to emptiness in the Jewish sense (any secular individual or group may have rich content in several other respects—but his secularism is empty by definition).
What causes intelligent people to recycle, again and again, such foolish and tasteless claims—and even to get excited by them, write about them, and copy them from one another, as if there were here a new gospel for the universe? It seems to me this is a sharp, clear demonstration of the vacuum and the predicament described above. Sometimes the predicament is conscious and sometimes not, but in my estimation it is always there. People feel frustration in the face of the emptiness of their Jewish wagon; therefore, an alternative that ostensibly holds water suffices for them, and they are exempted from explaining in what sense this is a continuation of anything and what value there is in the survival of such phenomena. Others are satisfied with pointing to problems in the full wagon of the religious (which, thank God, are plentiful) to buttress their preposterous claims—but they do not bother to explain what their alternative is and in what sense it is Jewish.
Here I focused on the negative side, that is, on explaining where he is wrong and why one cannot even argue against his proposals—because he has no proposals (there is no such thing as a secular Jewish identity; see the series of links brought above). But it would seem that I am disqualifying by my own blemish, for I too did not explain what my alternative is. However, this is not the place to get into that. In several places in the past I have explained that the only positive side of Judaism—the only thing that can be considered “Judaism” in an evaluative sense and not merely a factual one—is Halakhah.
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In the margins, I will place my words in context. There is a well-known claim against academy graduates in Jewish subjects, such as the Bible and Talmud, that the research deals with the number of shoes of our forefather Abraham and not with his character or his content. This is of course an amusing exaggeration, which, like amusing exaggerations, has something to do with it. When I read Rami Livni's article, I felt that despite some of his correct feelings, he fits the aforementioned caricature of shoes. An example of this is in his words about the Mussar movement (I intentionally did not say Hasidism, in any case, the lodge here belongs to Rabbi Michi). How did Mussar contribute to the shaping of the community? Come on, really. It's nice, interesting on a very certain level, and very research-based, but why don't you ask yourself, Mr. Livni, what did the Mussar movement really say, and what does it have to contribute to you as a person and a secular Jew at this time? And so does the Bible, and so does everything else. Delete half of it and cancel the other half as a Kafra Dara', but quite a few significant things were said there. You can't build anything from shells.
With great sorrow and dark sadness, I have no choice but to agree with the main points of the column (if not everything). I too read Rami Livni and was shaken by the depth of the shallowness.
One of the things that bothers me when I encounter such positions is perhaps that the person who holds them is sinning in two different, perhaps even completely opposite, ways.
The first time, he is sinning in the critical manner that I would expect from a thinking person towards Judaism. Yes, Livni insists on his Judaism a little too much, and this does not align with his secular (and perhaps also atheist) position, which should have been more reflective. Livni is too faithful to his Jewish heritage, in my opinion, and not to the secular one.
The second time, he is sinning in terms of faith (and perhaps also religiously), since I would expect him to deal with the fundamental faith problems that exist in Judaism itself (the authentic Judaism of the Torah, not the one he has fabricated for himself) in favor of a more rational religiosity.
And I have another conclusion: Livni's failure - that he is not sufficiently "secular" and not sufficiently "religious" - is caused, among other things, by his excessive adherence to the conceptual structure that authentic Judaism has bequeathed to him. In other words: even if his words are disconnected from concrete Jewish identity (and he is not aware of this), at the same time he is a faithful heir to the fundamental failure that lies at the heart of that identity. I would not go so far as to state that it was only his Jewish identity that confused him and caused him to adopt such a strange perception. But certainly an important part of his confusion stems from there.
I was shaken by the ”depth of the shallows” ??
Did you like it?
Nietzsche writes that some people think that women are deep. Because they can't see the bottom.
Wrong. Nietzsche rules. They're not even shallow.
It's hard to argue against most of the foreignness. I mixed arguments with statements and this response came out.
A. The redhead left a great legacy on the central question that preoccupied Jewish society in Israel by striving for and reaching an agreement with the Palestinians. The sorrow over his death also stemmed from the loss of a practical leader of stature (according to those who mourn) whose ideological successors fell short on the practical level.
B. You hold that morality is a matter completely separate from religion and did not require any revelation from God (but only for its very existence). And if so, on a philosophical level, secularism from religion does not lead to any moral vacuum, but rather morality as a dekay kai. You criticize secularism from God based on your claim that without God, morality has no validity, but that is not a significant issue. The God required for morality – that is, a God who does not reveal himself and knows and requites – is not the God over whom the dispute between religious and secularists has arisen. And in the article he also deals with secularism from religion and not necessarily secularism from God.
C1. Indeed, there are no secular Jewish values, but tradition still has an influence. Not an influence in determining values, but an educational influence and a reduction in the desire for things that a person thinks are right. Because a person is influenced by living examples set by those close to him. Just as soldiers are educated with heroic ribbons of the army and not of the opposing army, even though the heroism and sacrifice are the same. In this way, it is possible to take the importance of wisdom from Jewish tradition, and this will permeate the secular Jew and influence him, even though in tradition they considered the wisdom of the Torah to be the only thing that mattered.
C2. Continuing a tradition means receiving deep influences from tradition as examples of the positive (and not as examples of the negative). Because receiving influence from the positive model means that they preserved (midrashic conservatism in your terminology) something of the tradition itself. And since secular Jews can also absorb influences from the heritage as some good examples were given in the article, then this is continuity par excellence, and not really on a technical level but on an even more fundamental level than the simplistic conservatism of the religious. Psychologically, secular Tanzanians will not be influenced to the same extent by the Jewish tradition because they will not feel any closeness to the figures and the people. This is an explanation for the factual-value assumption that secular people can also continue the Jewish tradition. The (pale) value that continuity has is similar to the value in any memory of someone or something that will not sink into the abyss of oblivion, in addition to the advantage that one can receive a good educational influence from the tradition if it is carefully filtered.
The factual assumption that in the long run the secularists will continue, which did not appear in the column but only in the title as you mentioned, probably stems from a perception prevalent among secularists in the world that religion has a limited time and that these religious people will soon sober up, and therefore he thinks that if the secularists do not take anything from the Jewish tradition then in the long run it will disappear completely.
D. On the issue of secular Jewish identity, you have extended it into a series of columns, so there is no room here to write, and I do not have the strength to do so, so I will content myself with stating that I really disagree with the critical parts.
A. It is difficult to discuss statements. That Rabin tried to make a move with the Palestinians is true. But even there the engine was Peres, and there was nothing Rabin could do that was not replaceable. On the contrary, he was driven to this process almost out of necessity. Creating a legacy from this is a joke.
B. I was definitely talking about secularism from God and not secularism from religion.
C1-Kit. Influences can be received from all sorts of places. Even from telephone poles. That does not make them Judaism. Especially since the products are universal values.
The argument at the end of the article, and also throughout, is that Halacha is the only value aspect of Judaism. But what is the value of which Halacha is the expression?
If it is “to hear the voice of God and keep His commandments” – then this is where the secularist falls short. The grandfather who sits in heaven is an invention of the religious and all Halacha is complete fiction in his eyes. From this it follows that the ”value” presented here is based on a logical loop. The religious invents someone, invents something that this person said, and then builds value by listening to this thing (Halacha).
If the value is, like the parable of the shoes, it is: it is not interesting what it really was (the size of Abraham's shoes) but what does it mean to me? How do I perceive it?
So what is your point, everyone perceives it according to their own understanding and the only value is to pass the story on. That each generation will decide what it understands from this and ”a man for the tents of Israel”
In short, the secular wagon, in its view, has cleaned out the dry hay that was on the religious wagon, which was very heavy on the wagoner… and it invites everyone (the importance of passing on tradition) to load their goods onto the wagon.
The trilogy also tries to clean up a significant part of the dry hay – and some would say that with so much cleanliness and order there is no hay left…
But what will someone do who thinks that all values are the fruit of man's invention? And despite the previous column – man is required to rationalize values in order to decide on the order of priority among them?
There is a fundamental lack of understanding here. My words have nothing to do with the question of whether faith is correct and whether there is a God. According to the religious, there is, and that is enough for them themselves to see value in it. This is consistent, even if you think it is not correct. On the other hand, the secular view, even in its own way, is nonsense.
So now I have a fundamental misunderstanding of your claim… if you are not claiming objective truth– then what are you claiming?
That Judaism is only Halacha?
The secular claims to be the “faithful” Jew and continues the tradition of his ancestors, and that is enough for them themselves to see value in it and it is consistent even if you think it is not true.
On the other hand, the religious perception, according to them (and also to some of the ”carriers” of the trilogy), is nonsense
I wrote an entire column about what I'm arguing. You just have to read
A curious question. Asaf here is the same Asaf from the Technion in Haifa (the only one that Shimichi referred to at the time) from the talkbackers who at the time commented on the Rabbi's articles in Vint.
In the 3rd chapter of the book of Hebrews, the 2nd And in the depths and depths of the Jewish book treasury, we find new-old discussions of the same ideas from an original perspective.
Therefore, even those who define themselves as "secular", who do not see themselves as obligated to "every label and tag", will find in the Torah and its "bookcase", directions of thought that they had not thought of, which can shed new light, enriching, fruitful or challenging, on their world of thought and values.
The fuller the cart of Judaism is, the more "emptier" it is, and open to new people and ideas.
With greetings, Paivish Lipa Sosnowitzki-Dahary
And inspired by the previous post on ‘disconnection from life support’, it must be said that as long as the Jew's connection to his Judaism and its origins is maintained – there is still a spark of Jewish life spirit in it. Even the connection comes not from faith and commitment, but from seeing Judaism as a culture, as an interesting worldview, as national or family solidarity and brotherhood, and even as a favorite folklore – there is still a thread that guards the soul of life that has a chance of bringing about a deeper and more inner rapprochement, in the sense of ‘the light in which it returns them to the best’
Best regards, Philosopher”
And in fact, one must ask: Why should a secular person have a “distress” when he adopts only parts of his people’s cultural heritage? Does a Frenchman or an American have any distress when he is proud of his heritage and is inspired by it, without being obligated to accept everything?
It may be the Jew’s instinctive feeling that his loyalty to his Judaism is a value. That his Judaism is not only a “fate” but also entails a “valued calling,” and in any case the Jew seeks what the value calling that his Judaism imposes on him is, a value for which it is worth fighting and taking risks and being persecuted and hated by “the whole world and its wife.”
This instinct was not instilled in the Jew for no reason, since the Jew’s calling is to be the “elder brother” of his people. of all humanity, the successor of Abraham, the father of many nations, who calls humanity to the belief in uniqueness and the values of justice and mercy. By virtue of this calling, the soul of the Jew demands the clarification of his great calling while not being satisfied with a mediocre life ‘like all nations’.
With greetings, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel”r
In short:
The slightly fuller carts do not complain about the emptiness of the empty cart – but help fill it with intellectual, faith-based and ethical content from the sources of Judaism, with generosity of heart, a kind eye and patience.
With best wishes, Philsud”d
I think one of the reasons why in the Jewish-secular context this story sometimes seems particularly pathetic is because in the Haskalah and secular movement among the Jewish people, those movements always had a tone and a sense of pretentiousness that was accompanied by all sorts of scenarios that failed.
The Haskalah people of the second and third generations threw off the burden of commandments because they did not believe in the status of Mount Sinai or because they thought that there was such a status but that it was no longer binding, and converted Judaism to a reform version of deism. And even if they maintained Jewish cultural characteristics from the beginning and were careful not to assimilate genetically into the local population, they expected that the world would change and the great light of the Enlightenment would conquer the entire world. In that case, all Jews would be able to integrate as a minority undifferentiated from the general population. When, of course, maintaining a primitive religion with divergent and primitive laws was a disaster for them.
The prophecy did not come true. Pogroms, murders, and atrocities continued. And the Holocaust.
After that, the Zionist movement (and I'm talking about the very anti-religious parts of it, such as the Zealots of Joseph Chaim Brenner and the like, and not about other factions that were religious or neutral) saw the survival and preservation of the Jewish people as the highest value. Because if the Gentiles can never be trusted, what is more important than uniting everyone under the banner of survival and nationalism? Of course, among them there were all kinds of prophets who predicted that religion among the Jews would collapse because it was an old and primitive remnant that would disappear over time. And the desire of Jews to assimilate among the Gentiles would also collapse and disappear because who the hell is stupid enough to trust the nations of the world?
Here it is after 70 years and a little after the establishment of the state. The world as it is, behaves as it should. There are still Jews who prefer to assimilate into the Gentiles. Whether genetically. Whether culturally. Whether religiously. Whether by converting to a religion. Intermarriage. Or a strong adoption of the culture of the country of their residence. Some Jews are also born and raised in Israel. But in all cases they choose to go down and assimilate. The religion did not collapse to pieces. The ultra-Orthodox and religious continue with their stupid primitiveness (stupid and primitive according to their system of course). To keep the commandments.
Secular ideologies like Zionist socialism in its beginnings. Enlightened Judaism in its beginnings. A huge part of their essence is based on prophecy - they end up collapsing, crashing and reaching all kinds of versions that base life on a feeling of self-fulfillment in various psychological experiences. This is part of the story here in my opinion
If I understood correctly, it follows from the following:
Assumption A: Judaism is Halacha
Assumption B: Seculars do not accept Halacha
Conclusion: The secularists' “Jewish cart” is empty.
A wonderful innovation.
If that's how you understood it, you need to quickly fill up your reading comprehension cart.
Jewish identity, like any other national identity, is an invention, a mental construction designed to differentiate between groups of people (based on shared narratives, language, and culture). Such an identity can incorporate both Jewish and universal values – it can be eclectic.
One of the central purposes of the Jewish religion (embodied in halakha) is to differentiate between the chosen people and the gentiles – to create a distinct identity for a group of people (perhaps the most important concept that creates this differentiation is the concept of holiness).
The group of people with Jewish identity includes both the religious and the secular – Why does a rabbi object to someone trying, with one claim or another, to associate themselves with the same group? Can't Jewish identity encompass both groups?
What makes a secular person have a Jewish identity is their self-definition – The inner feeling that he belongs to this identity – and all the justification he gives himself in this matter is legitimate in my opinion.
The preoccupation with identity and its transmission to future generations is intended for self-preservation – to ensure that my children will also feel the connection that I feel to that identity, tradition, values, culture, historical story. This is the value inherent in preserving this identity and is shared by both the secular and the religious - in fact, the religious have a supreme interest in preserving this broad Jewish identity because without it Judaism would have no political existence (the majority of the Jewish people today are secular). History proves that the Jewish people without a national home and state are doomed to persecution and extermination.
Avishai
It really doesn't bother me. I'm just saying that even if there is such a definition of identity, it is a fact and not a value.
In the book of Zechariah, the Hebrew Bible,
The perception that holiness is only a survival necessity, building a ‘common denominator’ that will preserve the existence of the people is problematic, in several ways.
Why take the most difficult common denominator? The three commandments and their strictness, which, in addition to the constant difficulty in their observance – also lead to alienation from the nations of the world and hatred and persecution on their part?
And what's more, why can't we be like other nations whose existence comes through political independence and social, economic and cultural success. These can be achieved on the surface even as secular ’Israelis, and if this ‘won't work out for us– – Can we always try our luck and move to another country that will offer us political, economic and cultural freedom?
In any case, from the ’introductory chapters’ to the covenant in which we were the ’people’, it seems that the destiny destined for us is far beyond ’survival’. We need to be ‘a kingdom of priests and a holy nation’. The priests who spread the knowledge of ’and the faith of the Torah and its values to all of humanity, continuing the path of the ‘father of a multitude of nations’.
Our destiny is to spread to all of humanity the fundamental values contained in the ’Seven Commandments of the Noahide’, the belief in uniqueness, the existence of a reformed society in which we do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery, and do not worship idols. And for this reason we are building a ‘holy nation’, a society that stands out for its holy practices ‘above and beyond’ the minimum requirement. Not only not worshipping idols and not harming others, but also adhering to God and doing good and following the law’.. For this reason we received the Torah with its 13 commandments, which will make us a ’model society’ that will be a ‘light to the nations’.
Indeed, throughout history we have ‘instilled’our beliefs to humanity and achieved great, but still partial, success. Idols have gone out of fashion, the idea of the weekly day of rest has become the property of all humanity; Joshua ben Gamla's regulation of compulsory education for all was, after about eighteen hundred years, the property of all humanity, and so on and so forth.
But there is still much work to be done before the destiny that all the Gentiles will flock to the Mount of the Temple of God to learn from its hosts will be fulfilled. And when that happens, the burden that will be placed on us will increase, for every Jew will have to be a guide and mentor to dozens and hundreds of the descendants of Noah, who will seek his guidance in the ways of God.
With greetings, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel
This cart you're talking about is full of holograms.
The goal was to preserve the Torah so that one day it might be kept.
Today, thanks to printing and digital means, the role of being a Torah keeper has lost its meaning.
It's better than nothing, but it's still just a hologram.
Secularism is the sacrifice that secularists make to preserve Judaism in the modern world where there is no longer a place for Jews. The modern world is inherently anti-Semitic, and therefore any attempt by Jews to act as a minority as in the past will end in expulsion, if not physical annihilation. Since the religious are unable to maintain a state (the ultra-Orthodox certainly are not), the secularists give up their lives to maintain the state here, within which Judaism, with its historical commandments, can continue to exist. It has literally passed for its own sake. Blessed are they.
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In the 2nd 20th century, Beshshon P.B.
To the 2nd 20th century, greetings,
There are quite a few ‘secular’ who still ‘sacrifice their lives’ for the country in service in elite units, but the Zionist zeal of the ’pioneers’ of the past – is steadily declining among the secular. The dedication to elite military service and settlement – has shifted in recent decades to the national-religious public, in whom Torah and faith inspire passion.
Among the ultra-Orthodox, there is still a great reluctance to the army out of fear of secularization, but in the areas of volunteering of kindness and helping the sick and needy – They occupy a central place, as the shtetl heritage, saturated with charitable and benevolent activities, greatly increases their motivation to volunteer.
As the cultural influence of the West increases, especially in its postmodern form, the individual is increasingly placed at the center and the national arena is greatly weakened. Today's Western man is more of a 'man of the great world' than a passionate patriot. The 'pioneers' of the past still grew up in homes saturated with Judaism that transformed the zeal of the Hasidim and the Tamedim into a zeal for action for the return to Zion, to which their ancestors longed.
Those who grew up in 'Heider' On the melody of the yearnings of ‘And I came from Paddan…’, and he who saw and heard his father lamenting at ’Tikkun Chatzot’ and his mother shedding tears during her donation to the fund of Rabbi Meir Baal HaNes; He who learned in the Torah about Moses' pleas to enter the Land of Israel; and he who learned the Gemara about ‘the Amoraim who kissed the rocks of the land and rolled in the Ofra– absorbed the yearnings for Zion from ’his mother's milk’, even if he rebelled against the religion. But he who is foreign to the origins of Judaism will not understand these yearnings.
’Secularity’ in the sense of the aspiration to live a mundane, earthly life– contributes to Judaism by fulfilling the aspiration to inherit the land. After all, someone who is not a priest – is called in the translation of Onkelos ‘secular’, since he is engaged in secular life, while the priest focuses on developing holiness and Torah guidance for his fellow workers.
But ‘secularity– in the sense of distancing oneself from the heritage of Judaism – ultimately leads to a weakening of national fervor. Therefore, people like Karmi Livni and many others are trying to create a secularism that will not be alienated from the sources of Judaism, but will draw from them national and ethical inspiration without a commitment to faith and observance of mitzvot. The question is: how long can this last?
With regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner
By the way, most of the immigrants to the country were religious Jews, except during the Mandate period when Numerus Clausus was introduced, which did not give religious people more than 15% of the immigration quotas. The leaders of secular Zionism discriminated and harassed religious Zionists both in preventing settlement and in discriminating in the budgeting of education and in employment placement. The Zionist Organization welcomed the “shekels” and donations of Mizrahi people, but in its pursuit of settlement, work and education, the religious Zionists were discriminated against. Someone decided that a new generation needed to arise in the country, free from religion, and religious people, even if they were dedicated Zionists, were not welcome here.
Even when the state was founded, when the gates of immigration were opened without party filtering, the authorities worked hard to “re-educate” them. The immigrants, the vast majority of whom were observant or traditional. They divided the settlements according to party affiliation, and thus most of the youth received a secular education that taught them that religion was good for the world, and here a generation free from religion should arise.
Thank God they did not succeed in this. Religious and ultra-Orthodox Judaism did not disappear, but rather multiplied several times over, proud of their faith and heritage, without their vigorous efforts to foster the material life of the country being harmed at all.
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… And they turned the passion…
In B”D 6’ Tevet P”B
In fact, the correction will come when we understand that there are no separate carts here, but a ‘square cart’, the cart of Judaism, which in the vision of its prophets includes religious, national and universal values together with personal cultivation and self-realization.
The mistake is in thinking that it is possible to separate the different levels and be satisfied with only some of them. The correction will come when we understand that all the circles must be cultivated simultaneously: freedom with closeness to God, love of the people with love of humanity, and all of them will complement each other.
With greetings, A”sh
If it weren't for secularism, we would be eating black bread and herring in the shtetl.
Every time you write against the emptiness of secularism, I always wonder how you don't reflect on yourself.
Let's say there is a God and he gave the Torah, why should I obey?
What if I have to worship him because of his “divinity” (Leibovitz)? This is a statement without any logic.
At least if there is a God and he instilled morality in us, we can assume that he will also be moral towards us… But there is no logical justification for the Torah and the commandments. How analytically do we arrive from the existence of God to the obligation to obey his voice, I didn't understand
There is a difference between the statement “I didn't understand”, with which you end, and the criticism of the lack of reflection with which you opened. I have nothing to say about the concluding statement, since it deals with you and not me. But the opening statement seems strange to me. It seems to me that if there is something that characterizes me and my writing, it is reflection. I am constantly trying to examine and justify my understanding (with greater or lesser success, that is for each person to decide). So accusing me of a lack of reflection sounds to me like a very detached statement or a statement that stems from minimal lack of familiarity. And it is difficult for me to understand how someone who knows nothing criticizes so vehemently.
But as for the matter at hand, I see no point in going into all of this here, since both of your claims (including the one about yourself) are fundamentally wrong. I am not at all discussing here the question of whether I (the religious Jew) am right and why. I discuss each person according to his or her own method. For the religious person, his own system has value and significance for his Judaism (whatever his reasoning, whether you agree with it or not). In contrast, for the secular person, even his system has no value significance for his Judaism.
How do we analytically arrive at the existence of God (+ the presence of Mount Sinai + Torah from heaven, etc.) as an axiom for the obligation to obey His voice? You did not answer.
I have already explained why I did not answer. As I explained, this is not the discussion here and is in no way related to your question about reflection. If you want an answer to this, I have answered it in detail in my notebooks and my first book, and in the article on philosophical gratitude, and more.
If you insist on an analytical answer (I do not know why. Perhaps you would rather enjoy analytical answers), then I can answer briefly here as well. The analytical answer to this is that this obligation is derived from the definition of the concept of God. Whoever understands that the ’ is God, from this it is analytically deduced that there is an obligation to obey His voice. God by His very definition is an authoritative entity (which is why judges are called God in the Bible). This is explained in several places and this is also given by the explanation (or intuitive understanding of the concept).
For example, someone who asks me for an analytical answer to the question: If X is the moral act, then why is there an obligation to do it? Or to the question: If my eyes show me that there is a wall in front of me, how do I deduce from this analytically that there is a wall in front of me?
But as mentioned, this is not the place to discuss this.
The Nuremberg Laws by their very definition were authoritative. So should I obey?
D. A. I would love a link to the article… Thanks for the answer… Ignore the reflection you wrote, nonsense and admits and leaves Yeruham
No, because just because legal thinkers think they have authority doesn't really mean they do. God really does have authority. You asked for an analytical answer. Search here on the Philosophical Gratitude website.
It is hard to believe that such abysmal seriousness is being discussed in such a ridiculous and elaborate claim. Small-mindedness and darkness of mind at their peak.
After all, secularism is the continuation of the path of the Hellenists, who admire the body culture and materialism of Greece (America today) and despise their degraded and primitive heritage, then and now. What has changed today is the denial and lack of awareness (of some of them at least) of what the path represents, the boasting in the name of “Israel” and a few marginal Jewish symbols.
Who is the one for
In the words of S. Esq. and Rav Dagan and Tirosh P. B.
To Admor, greetings
Every generation imitates the Greeks of its generation. The Greeks of our generation sit in their country and speak their ancient language (more or less) and do not know or are not interested in the philosophical teachings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the rest of their wise men. Instead of tiring their minds with deep philosophical questions, they enjoy life: sitting in a tavern, raising a glass of ouzo, and dancing to the sounds of the bouzouki and being happy in their lives without any of the hardships of an empty cart 🙂
So come and raise a glass of cheer, dance a "Mitzvah of Dance" to the sounds of the guitar or clarinet, and be happy in your cheeks and be happy only. 🙂
With greetings of ‘Happy New Year’, Euthyphro Naphisthemos of Pirithous
https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/720793.shtml
Summary for those interested:
Secularism is a trend in Judaism because of Zionism.
Content: Establishing a national home for Jews.
Who are Jews? These are the people for whom Jews aspire to establish a home.
Exercise:
Explain why a lack of interest in mathematics is a mathematical trend.
Hint: It is possible that among the unemployed there are workers building the Faculty of Mathematics in Zimbabwe.
Food for thought:
Is the empty group a group? Is it a subgroup of the group of Jews? And of the Papuans?
And a question to conclude:
How many logical errors can be found in the summary above? (Ignore embellishments of reality that are not related to the facts. This is a common phenomenon with Lapid, which also exists in the group of his speeches that are free of errors. How many members are there in this group?…)
Good luck,
And you support this clown to be the Prime Minister of Israel...
And you support this clown for the presidency of Israel.
There is an assumption in this article and elsewhere that it is impossible to characterize a religion using universal values.
Is this true?
Suppose that on a planet with 10 values, there are 10 values that are common among the inhabitants of the planet. There are 10 religions there, with each religion adopting 9 of the 10 values (when there are no 2 religions that adopt the same 9 values). When we examine a particular religion, each of its values is a universal value on that planet, since 90% of the inhabitants of the planet adopt it, and if so, all the values of this religion are universal values. Would this lead to the claim that religion is not characterized/does not exist?
On the 7th of Kislev, February 2nd
To Moses, peace be upon him,
To reinforce your words, one should quote from the ’founding document’ of Judaism, nine of whose branches are ‘universal values’: I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods, you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, honor your father and mother, you shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, you shall not covet your neighbor's house, etc.
The only value that is unique to the people of Israel is ‘remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy’ and it too has become a ‘universal value’ of a ‘weekly rest day’, which has been adopted in various and varied forms by most of humanity.
The people of Israel are the ‘vanguard’ of humanity, whose purpose is to instill in humanity the principles of the ‘Ten Commandments’, in the correct interpretation of the details. As a ’elite unit’ the people of Israel are required to live a life of holiness that includes the 13 commandments that are unique to them.
With greetings, Amioz Yaron Schnitzelࢭ
The very concept of ‘universal values’ is an innovation of the Torah and the Prophets, the pagan concept accepted without any problem that each people receives its unique value system from its private idol.
It was the Torah and the Prophets that instilled in humanity the belief that ’one Father for us all, one God who created us’ and the hope that a day would come when the law of peace and unity would come from Zion to all of humanity.
The separation into nations is the punishment of humanity that sought to unite without submitting to the will of God. This sin will be corrected in the last days when all nations will flock to the ‘Mount of the House of God” to learn from its ways, and to walk in its light to a world in which ‘nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more’.
Unfortunately, humanity has begun in the decades to approach the destiny of world peace, not out of recognition and desire, but out of the compulsion of two terrible world wars and the development of nuclear weapons that created a ‘balance of terror. What recognition did not bring – trauma brought.
Best regards, Aisha
Where did you see that in my words? I completely accept the possibility you presented, and I don't think I wrote anywhere else.
It reminds me of a medical or psychological diagnosis that relies on the existence of a minimum of several symptoms (e.g. seven out of ten).
And here secular Jews continue to quibble over the matter:
http://udimanor.blogspot.com/2021/11/blog-post_9.html?m=1
And about this it is said: If fools do not drive.
According to Occam's razor, it seems that an 'empty cart' is better, as it has fewer entities 🙂
Best regards, Mishai Remington