Beer in the pub
In light of what was ruled in Shulchan Kidd 1 Yod
“Any wages of a sorcerer, whether of dates or figs or barley or grain or honey, are forbidden because of the sin of marriage. And it is not forbidden except at the place of sale, but if he brings the wages to his house and drinks it there, it is permissible, for the main point of the ruling is that he may dine with him. And they did not prohibit it except when he determines to drink according to the way a person determines to drink, but if he enters the sorcerer’s house and drinks through a random street, it is permissible, and likewise, whoever sleeps in the sorcerer’s house is as important as his own house. And it is permissible to send someone in the city to buy wages from the sorcerers.
There are those who allow the payment of honey and grain (Mordechai in the name of Rabiah, and Y. in the name of Tos, and many of the latter, and Agudah Pa’m and O’H, 43:46, and Smk, 113). And so it is customary to be lenient in these countries.
Is it forbidden to drink beers that are certified as kosher in a pub abroad?
I think the pub is not a lawyer’s house. It’s a business, not a home, and you don’t stay with the pub owner and become his friend. You’re his customer who pays him for his service. Just pay attention to who opens the bottle.
What difference does it make who opened the bottle? As far as I know, this is only relevant to wine, not alcohol.
That's true. I didn't notice it wasn't about wine.
The language is ‘and it is not forbidden except in the place of sale’ meaning that it is talking about a store and not a house
But this is out of fear that he will dine with him (a feast of evildoers). This does not exist in the pub.
A. What has changed from before? So instead of the business, there was a fear that he would eat?
B. Didn't our Rabbis teach us that in the words of the rabbis, the nullification of the reason does not nullify the regulation?
Unless, in fact, they only ruled that there is a concern. This is not a situation of nullifying reason but rather a limitation of the regulation. This is how several poskim wrote, and I cited some of them in the lesson when we were dealing with this. Look at any answer that deals with just wine and the like, and you will see that many have permitted a situation where there is no concern about marriage (already from the well-known permission of the Rema”a).
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