Israel
Is there a moral justification for the existence of the Jewish people in the State of Israel without resorting to the Bible at all?
Why not? We established a state here like any people who want sovereignty for themselves. What’s more, this was the land of our ancestors.
Regarding the argument of the land of our ancestors - if it weren't for the religious argument that the land was given to us by God, there are problems with this argument, we wouldn't be the first here, there were peoples here before us and we fought them and conquered their land. What's the difference? That those peoples no longer exist? Because if this is the only difference, then we have no more right to the land than anyone else who claims ownership of it, and if someone expels us from the land, they will have the same right to it as we do - everyone expelled those who came before them.
I completely disagree with Miki's answer. The claim that we are like any other people who want sovereignty for themselves may be true, but it is not the main thing. The important question for any people is by what law they are entitled to this sovereignty. The answer of the people of Israel is so simple and primitive that it is not clear to me how it can be interpreted otherwise.
The supreme norm of Judaism is anchored in the Torah, in which the principle of promise appears explicitly. It is true, of course, that this promise does not have to be interpreted in modern national terms, but from here to the claim that we have a right to the land without the Bible, there is still a very long way to go.
Our ancestors believed in this promise (even if it is all fiction and there is not even a God to promise it), and therefore Zionism was created for the Jews, and let's not let the Japanese or the Czechs do the same.
Doron, according to what you say, no people have national rights anywhere. Of course, the Bible reinforces our right here, but even without it, the right exists.
Quite the opposite. Rights in general and specific national rights are built on a very complex system of cultural, historical, political, etc. justifications. Each case is unique.
Therefore, Zionism has historically and factually built its rights on the same system that is based on the Bible. According to its own system, it cannot be otherwise.
In your words: Very few peoples – if any – have a document “that strengthens their right” to some territory.
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