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Meat consumption today

שו”תCategory: HalachaMeat consumption today
asked 8 years ago

We all know (and you wrote this too) about the cruelty in the economy today. You don’t need to convince me of that.
I asked: Is there a halachic (not moral) prohibition on consuming from such places? Does the prohibition also apply to the buyer, and why? And do you know of any responsa literature on the subject?


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago
Some halachic things have been written on this subject (such as works by Rabbi Asa Caesar and a few others), but as far as I know, not by the great poskim. Consuming products from places where there is cruelty is hard to see in front of a blind eye, but a helpful prohibition (very slight because your part is small) is likely to be there. And it is still difficult to categorically determine that there is an actual prohibition in this, especially since it is very difficult to comply with it and the public does not adhere to it. But it is certainly the right thing to do.

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שמואל replied 8 years ago

Thank you.

After I wrote the question, I found that you addressed this about a year ago on the site and wrote “that it is completely forbidden”. Now you have already withdrawn from it, right?

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מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

If you mentioned the thread, it would be appropriate to read it and see that my position has not changed.
Abuse is a grave prohibition and consumption is an accessory. But halachically, it should be relaxed because your contribution is minimal and the public cannot stand it. Just like I wrote here.

שמואל replied 8 years ago

There: “That it is a complete prohibition”. Here: “And it is still difficult to categorically state that there is a real prohibition in this”. For some reason it seemed a little different to me, but really it is not important this history. In your opinion there is a prohibition in this matter.

And by the way, Rabbi Caesar's book is really unconvincing, and in my opinion there are distortions there. However, regarding the last part (and not the first part related to the Nidud).

אלחנן replied 8 years ago

And what will His Honor do about the words of the Ram (Yodhya 433:3): “And they used to leniently treat in our city those geese that are fattened to make fat from them.” And it seems that the Ram (and other poskim) were not bothered by the issue of the sorrow of fattened geese, and apparently they believed that there was no (halachic) problem.

And yes, I am aware that today there is cruelty that goes beyond fattening geese, and therefore why did fattening not benefit them?

Is it possible that because the human race benefits from it, this is called a “human need” that is permitted? But where does the line cross?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I don't know what your honor will do, but in my opinion it is forbidden and I disagree with the Rema's words.

ח' replied 8 years ago

Just to note that the source of the Rema is probably the answer to the Terumat Hadshan (Teshuvah 12), which writes that there is no halakhic prohibition if it is for human needs, but it is customary to avoid things that have a degree of cruelty and are also liable to be punished for it by Heaven, as we learn from the incident about Rabbi and the Calf.

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