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Sea on Saturday

שו”תCategory: HalachaSea on Saturday
asked 2 months ago

I wanted to ask if it is permissible to bathe in the sea on Shabbat?
I saw that there are many opinions about this and I would like to know what the Rabbi thinks about it.
Thank you very much.


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מיכי Staff answered 2 months ago
As long as your feet touch the ground, it is permissible according to the law. But you have to wipe the water off when you get to dry land so as not to shake it off the Carmelite. And in wiping there is a fear of squeezing. And some even claim that this involves the practice of devout worship (which I do not know how to define). And they did not do so at all. Therefore, I would avoid it.

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עכו זה בנשמה replied 2 months ago

Maybe they didn't do it because there is no sea in Bnei Brak, Yeruham, and Lod

But to say "Shimat Kol Chai" on Shabbat HaShachem in Acre in the sea (which is separate of course) from experience is really disturbing, bordering on frightening, about the idea

So maybe it's considered that they did?

Narli is permitted and commanded
Because Shabbat is not a holiday
Shabbat at sea will be enjoyed

H replied 2 months ago

What about a privately owned pool?

מיכי Staff replied 2 months ago

Implement my answer above.

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

Regarding shaking water in Carmelit and the obligation to wipe, I received a comment from chatgpt:

Shulchan Aruch (O’Haq Sha’a S’b) rules that the water on a person’s body is void of him and is not defined as a separate object.

Mishnah Berurah there (Sky’g) explains that it is similar to mud on the feet or dust on clothes — they are a nuisance to the person and are not “shaken” by themselves.

As long as the water is naturally on the skin (attached after bathing), it is part of your body for the purpose of this law.

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

Oren, you are a bigger AI expert than me, and you are probably familiar with the phenomenon of hallucinations. It turns out that it also exists in Giphy 5.

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

In defense of the AI, I used the regular 5 model and not 5 thinking. But in any case, the explanations sound correct to me. And I also thought that it was no different from rain, where water droplets also stick to the body and you shake them, and no one has forbidden such shaking. In other words, I ask why it would be forbidden to shake seawater that has stuck to the body in light of the AI's explanations and the comparison to rain.

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

There is a difference between drops on the body and water that you want to remove/wipe off. If the former is perhaps useless, the latter is not.

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

By the way, is thinking less delusional or just thinking better?

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

Both in my unfounded opinion.

Regarding drops on the body, even in the case of heavy rain I have to wipe myself off. Furthermore, if there was a problem with shaking water that was tested on the body in the sea on Shabbat, entry into the sea should have been completely prohibited because there is no way you can not shake the water because you can't shake a towel for the purpose of wiping.

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

Whatever you want to wipe is not invalid in my opinion. And of course, if there is a problem with the towel, then it is not allowed.

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

So according to this, someone who gets very wet in heavy rain and wants to dry off due to the excessive wetness, should stand in place?

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

In principle, yes. One should discuss the one who is busy and does not intend to.

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

By the way, in the old reply you wrote something else:

Excellent question. There is a difference (beyond the amount of water, which is also different) that in the sea I bring the water up to me and in the rain it happens to me from outside. But I really don't see any reason to separate.

These are exactly the two explanations I gave. And there is still no difference in explanation. If he is clear that the prohibition is from the Lord, will we also permit it there because there is no choice? Let him stand his ground, there is no advice and no wisdom against the Lord. And taking water from the river or the river is also not good for him. These explanations are extremely weak.

See this link:
https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%98%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA/

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

I didn't see anything different there.

אורן replied 3 weeks ago

I thought about this matter again, and it reminded me of what you said about yeshiva heads who have no connection with homeowners who can tell them that a certain ruling of theirs is not common sense (unlike yeshiva students). Here too, it seems to me that it is impossible for someone who gets very wet in the rain and continues to walk despite it to commit some offense or perform some work on Shabbat. It simply goes against common sense. It is possible that when you analyze the sources and try to compare word for word, this is what comes out, but the end result seems very strange to me.

מיכי Staff replied 3 weeks ago

It is possible. And yet such a feeling can be a motivation to seek a halakhic explanation. In order to permit, you need to find a halakhic explanation. You could perhaps say that as long as I am wet and I do not have the option to wipe the liquid off me, it is void. Or that the rain fell on me and there is no displacement here but at most an assumption, unlike rainwater. What's more, these are liquids that I am not interested in.

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