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Study of Torah in general and Gemara in particular

שו”תCategory: generalStudy of Torah in general and Gemara in particular
asked 2 years ago

Hello and blessings, I am a yeshiva student in the 5th class. I am considered one of the guys who consistently attend yeshiva, etc. Although for the past six months I simply do not understand why I am studying. And apparently this is not a question because I also do not understand why I wave the lulav, and why is it that in the lulav it does not interfere with simply waving it because it is the will of God? Because in the lulav, despite the fact that I do not understand why it is the will of God, I believe that it is His will. However, regarding the study of Gemara, my lack of understanding is so great that I think it is not the will of God that we study it.
It is true that there are explicit verses of “Deuteronomy 21:11-13”, etc., although it seems to me that during the time of the Bible, all discussions were discussions about what to do in practice, and everyone expressed their opinion until they made a decision based on the verses or an explanation. It is true that it seems to me that they did not sit down and bother to understand what someone several generations before them said in some discussion (rather, it is he who made the decision and we need to understand it in order to contradict him or agree with him). I sit in front of the Torah and do not understand why (and in any case whether) it is God’s will that I rack my brains and bother to understand his reasoning, to carefully consider how his meaning fits into the language of the Hebrew, and how it is not hidden from other places.
It is true that in order to know how to rule on a halakha, one must know the halakhah, although it does not seem necessary to rack one’s brains over the interpretations of things that have not been ruled on, or to understand how to use the halakhah language (which, even then, is not a problem for you, because even if you do not apply them to halakha, you will take them into account).
The answer is that they always say that you know the “wisdom of God.” Although I don’t clearly understand why it is the wisdom of God that our rabbis said about human knowledge in matters of wealth, etc., and why it is necessary to understand how the first ones enter the language of the genitive, “it is the wisdom of God,” and so on.
I would be very happy for an answer, thank you very much.


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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago
There is no room here to elaborate on this. I will write briefly. All careful study of halakha is study in practice. Including a wayward son and a teacher. You study to reach practical conclusions, and even what does not materialize has practical conclusions that are God’s will, but in practice you will not need to fulfill them. Beyond that, in any issue, no matter how theoretical, it is possible to draw conclusions for other things that are actually practical. Therefore, in my opinion, even for systems that require women to study only their halakha, in practice they must study the entire Torah. But I wrote all of this assuming that the true purpose of study is action. But in my opinion, it is not. Study is defined as research that ends with a practical conclusion, because this is the proper form of study. But that does not mean that the purpose of study is action. Its purpose is to cling to the will of God, as stated in Nefesh HaChaim, chapter 4. The commandments are His desires. The methods of the sages of the ages are the medium through which we clarify His desires expressed in the Torah. This is the meaning of tradition, otherwise you are reinventing the wheel and there is a reasonable chance that you are wrong. Although you don’t have to rack your brains specifically on Tos, you do need to exhaust the halakhic issues, and studying the commentators helps with this. By racking your brains on their system, you can formulate your own system. This racking your brains puts God’s will into your bones, and thus you cling to it. “And you spoke in them” says precisely that the value is not the action but the very study. And so does Rashi Rish P’ in my laws. Personally, I have a clear feeling that this study is much more important than any other mitzvah, studying Torah against all others.

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מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

If you search the site, you will find many references to these questions. Search for "Why study Torah" or "The meaning of studying Gemara" and so on.

שלמה אליהו replied 2 years ago

Hello, thank you very much and sorry for the delay. Maybe you have already answered this but I still haven't been able to understand. For example, each Rabbi defines the prohibition of theft differently, so we can say that these are aspects of what the will of God forbade theft. Although what exactly is the interest that our rabbis forbade, in which cases is there more semblance and in which less, I still can't understand how it is aspects of the will of God or of His wisdom, is it because He commanded us to listen to the sages that it is called aspects of the will of God? And so on with other things, how do the Rishonim break their heads in the language of the rabbinate penetrate the will of God into my bones? Here I am not dealing with breaking my head over the very will of God, after all I know a mental minority and even if I dwell on them in a dilemma that does not enter my understanding in the language of the rabbinate – There is no point in that as far as I am concerned.

שלמה אליהו replied 2 years ago

Also, did I not understand what was meant by formulating my approach? Which method did I connect with the most, even though in practice I would act differently according to what was ruled in the Shulchan Arba’ah/Rama’ah because we accepted its rulings against us? Or is there a Babylonian and a Jerusalemite, and yet another that connects more with the Jerusalemite’s belief that I would act like a Babylonian because we accepted it against us?
Also, is the meaning of the “methods of the sages of the ages” the medium through which we clarify His desires expressed in the Torah. This is the meaning of tradition; is it because they are probably right, or because He told us to rule according to the sages “as far as they are concerned” and in any case their methods are His desires and somehow this is also His wisdom. If a Gentile philosopher were to define the concept of "theft" differently, would I agree with that more? It seems that there is no merit to tradition, since the fact that there are so many methods shows that these are their own beliefs.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

I think I've stated this before. I really think that clarifying the laws of the rabbis is not Torah study but rather Halacha study. Simply clarifying in order to know what to do. Torah study that is adherence to one's will is only clarifying the laws of the Torah (which also includes clarifying the methods of the first and last generations regarding this Halacha from the Torah). But theft is a Torah prohibition and therefore there is value in clarifying it. If you feel that the wisdom of a Gentile will benefit you in this - by all means.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

The wisdom of previous generations is because there is truth in their words. They are closer to the source (Mount Sinai), and tradition mediates this to me. This does not mean that they are necessarily right, but it is likely that the truer clarification comes through clarifying the methods of previous generations.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

I have written more than once that in my opinion, according to the law, there is no obligation to act like a Sh”a or a Rama”a. You must formulate a position and act according to it. Sh”a and a Rama”a are a custom (the testimony), and in a custom one follows it only when you do not have your own position (you are in doubt). In Yerushalmi they wrote about this: “If you do not know the most beautiful of women, go out at the heels of the flock and pasture your kids at the shepherds' lodgings”. Only if you do not know yourself – then go out at the heels of the flock.

שלמה אליהו replied 2 years ago

Thank you very much, food for thought. I really appreciate the reply and its speed.

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