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Survival among the Israelites

שו”תCategory: faithSurvival among the Israelites
asked 3 years ago

Regarding your claim in the trilogy and in the last lesson in the series about the belief that the survival of the Jewish people is not necessarily due to divine intervention, because it could also be due to the power of our culture through the Torah, I saw in Reason To Believe by Rabbi David Gottlieb, which reviews all types of historians’ explanations for survival, and proves that they all really don’t hold water, and of necessity it is a supernatural phenomenon.

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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago

I’m happy about this report. But as long as you don’t present arguments and justifications here, it’s hard for me to comment. On the surface, it’s clear to me that he’s not right. There are no miracles in history in this sense. Only in physics are there.

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

How did I divide history and physics?

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Because there are no absolute deterministic laws in history. Everything that happens can be explained.

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

You also prove something supernatural, i.e. revelation from history.
By the way, Rabbi Gottlieb also agrees that even if we find a connection between our culture and survival, we will still have to explain where it came from and why only we have such a culture as we do today. Only in practice, we don't even see that.

רועי שטרית replied 3 years ago

Just because something has an explanation doesn't mean there's no interference with it, just a more subtle interference.

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Inside,
What's the point of putting a shemita in an omelet? I'm not proving anything about the fact that there is a historical phenomenon that cannot be explained. I'm claiming historically that there was a revelation. What does that have to do with it?

Roy,
This is a common mistake. I've explained it more than once here. If there is an explanation, there is no intervention. And even the possibility of an explanation undermines the proof of intervention.

רועי שטרית replied 3 years ago

I would be happy to refer you.

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

See, for example, columns 280 and 297, and many more. And of course, at length in the second book of the trilogy.

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

You prove from the rarity of our history that it cannot be explained naturally that there was a revelation. No?

מיכי Staff replied 3 years ago

Absolutely not.

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

So what do you want to prove about the rarity of the people of Israel?

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

By the way, am I the only one having technical problems with the FAQ section?

בתוך הגולה replied 3 years ago

So what do you want to prove about the rarity of the people of Israel??

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