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Values: truth and falsehood, good and evil.

שו”תCategory: philosophyValues: truth and falsehood, good and evil.
asked 2 years ago

Is the concept of truth determined by someone? Did the Creator determine what is truth? What is good? Or are these facts? There is a certain reality that is truth and it cannot be otherwise.
To murder is bad and it cannot be otherwise. (Good and bad)
Doing good is not doing a false act.
In another context. The mathematics of 1+1=2 could not be different in any human conceptual world. There could have been a different humanity with a different conceptual world that our mathematics and theirs were different but not fundamentally but only in example. For both of us, mathematical truth was irreplaceable.
I strive to ask whether truth is obligatory by its very definition. It is carved and derived from reality. No one has determined it. Because if someone has determined it. Then he can also determine something else. So what is truth? It is just an arbitrary decision of defining truth.
Could it be that the value of truth and falsehood were not determined by people or the Creator? Are they also not part of the laws of our logic but are a reality in themselves? Just as the sun is a reality in itself and is only perceived by the senses, so too is truth and cannot be otherwise.
Is this true? Or could truth be different? But it would still be truth? That is, truth is a statement, not a reality.

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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago

Depends on your definitions. Truth, as I understand it, is a property of claims. A claim is true if there is a correspondence between its content and the state of affairs in the world that it describes. Therefore, there is no room here for a discussion of whether it is a creation of God. Reality is a creation of God, and claims are our formulation. If there is a correspondence, then the claim is true by definition, regardless of God. The same goes for mathematics. God created the mathematical beings if you are a Platonist (like me). But the connections between them are properties that arise from their nature. It is possible to create a world without triangles, but if there is a triangle (and in a straight Euclidean space) the sum of its angles is 180. You can see my series on Platonism, and look for the laws of logic versus the laws of nature.
Logic does not deal with concepts of truth (of claims) but with concepts of validity and invalidity (of arguments). Science does indeed deal with this indirectly. It discovers the facts, and in that way the truth of claims about them becomes clear.
As for morality, there is forbidden and permitted, not truth or falsehood. Although I am a moral realist (see column 456), and therefore there are moral facts, and their theories can be true or false. In any case, to your question, I tend to think that the picture is quite similar. It is possible to create another world, but given our world, the laws of morality are imposed on God. See column 457.

י replied 2 years ago

I saw column 456 regarding the origin of morality that stems from God's authority.
Are you basically saying that not to murder is not a bad act on its own part, that it is God's decision that it is a bad act?
If the definitions of what is good and what is evil are not facts but decisions of a transcendental entity, then He could certainly make other decisions.
He not only revealed moral realities to us, but He determined them. So they are terribly arbitrary. And to the same extent, He can determine that our evil is good and vice versa.

So the same thing applies to truth and falsehood.
The Torah is truth. True Torah. In what sense is the Torah true? After all, it does not necessarily claim reality, but it determines reality. For example, the Torah says that murder is forbidden. Does it say truth or does it say morality, what is good and what is evil?
If it says what is good and what is evil, then it is ‘superfluous’ as Torah, since ethics preceded it. And if it says what the truth is in the sense of what one should do even if in principle it is bad to avoid murder. So to speak, some kind of correspondence between the person and reality, what is right for him and what is true for him. Regardless of the question of what is good for him. (Can there be what is right for me and what is bad for me?)

In two words, does truth exist from the perspective of reality itself or is it a value statement about reality and then it is arbitrary
And so with regard to mathematics, could there be a world in which 1+1 was equal to 3? Or is this a formulation of a question that means nothing because 1+1 is always 2

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

You didn't read 457.

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