Q&A: The Podcast with Jeremy Fogel
The Podcast with Jeremy Fogel
Question
I listened to the podcast, and there’s one point where I think many religious people would disagree with you.
I think many Haredim assume that the possibility of someone going off the religious path is more terrible than death, and this isn’t just the kind of thing they say in theory and then would change their minds about when actually confronted with it. In my opinion, this applies to about half of the Haredi public. That assumption itself needs to be discussed, and it’s also possible that the sources have something to say about it. There is a Maimonides who says one should rejoice at the death of the wicked; there are all kinds of quotations that people like to cite and that you hate hearing.
If we assume that premise, then we should presumably give up the freedom of expression you’re talking about, just as you noted that if someone’s life is in danger, it would be right to give up freedom of expression.
Of course, you could say that practically speaking it is more beneficial to allow freedom of expression, but that would make the discussion practical rather than principled.
In short, I’m asking two questions. A. If we assume the premise that someone losing his faith is at least as terrible as someone dying, would you agree that we should give up a certain amount of freedom of expression if it could lead to secularization? B. Do you reject that premise, and why? Have you written about this in the past?
Answer
When you start from absurd premises, you arrive at absurd conclusions. Indeed. Jeremy too assumes that voting for Smotrich or Ben Gvir is Nazi-like, and that justifies silencing people.
I wouldn’t call the assumption absurd, since from a straightforward reading of the Sages it seems clear enough. That doesn’t mean we need to listen to them on this matter, but it’s not absurd.