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The Game Theory of the Separation of Powers (Column 548)

From the Game of Chicken to the Prisoner’s Dilemma

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

These days it feels like the socio-political-legal dispute is heading toward an explosion. Whatever remained of civil discourse has vanished, and we’ve shifted to a power struggle whose horizon looks very bad for all of us. Yet alongside this, my impression over the past few days is that the reform process is actually producing some positive results. At long last there is some kind of dialogue and thinking—not on a grand national scale and not among politicians, but yes, between the camps. I sense that voices are beginning to emerge from the left and from the legal system (and from academia as well) that recognize there are problems requiring some reform; now they seek dialogue and compromise to reach a less extreme model. All the polls show that among right-wing voters and the current coalition too, a solid, consistent majority has formed that supports slowing the process and compromising on its details.

But even when arguments are aired, it still seems like a dialogue of the deaf. The debate is sharpened to the nth degree, since even among laypeople it becomes clear very quickly that the root of the disagreement is really the question of what democracy is. Concepts such as majority rule, human and civil rights, “thin” and “thick” democracy, separation of powers, the authority of each branch, etc., all arise; agreement seems very hard to reach. In this column I’ll try to sketch the map, and I’ll show that it can actually be better understood through concepts from game theory—which will also reveal the limits of theoretical analysis. So I’ll enter here into very basic preliminaries, after which I’ll propose a framework for understanding what is happening. I will not express a view here about the particulars of the reform, since I’ve done that, albeit in very broad strokes, in columns 534 and 544. In general, I can say that my position is very close to what Netta Barak-Corren wrote in her excellent and balanced position paper (linked here). But in this column my concern is with processes and foundations, not details. Those are discussed by her as well, but from a different angle, and in my view she doesn’t go deep enough into the foundations to fully clarify the picture. This column is a kind of conceptual, almost philosophical, preface to proposals like hers that operate on the practical plane.

My main aim here is to try to distinguish two planes on which democracy is tested—theory and practice—and you’ll see that this understanding sheds light on everything happening here, in particular on the debates, positions, and arguments; on the frustration and the inability to decide or agree; and also on the outcomes that await us if we don’t wise up. But I also think we can understand here why the apocalyptic forecasts both sides hold to with deterministic certainty won’t necessarily come to pass.

Needless to say, I’m not a jurist, nor a political scientist, nor even a game theorist. It’s possible that most of what’s written here won’t be new to readers—certainly to those familiar with these fields. It’s possible I present the picture in an unprofessional or unconventional way, and even offer my own interpretations of basic principles (without citing sources, disputes, and opposing views). I do this because despite all these caveats, in my estimation the overall picture I’ll sketch is very important for understanding the situation, and specifically here there is much that’s novel with explanatory and illuminating potential. Even if it doesn’t provide a clear solution to the problems themselves, understanding the situation can at least allow us to operate within this game a bit more rationally and consciously—and ultimately perhaps even contribute something to a resolution.

On the discourse and its limits

We must understand that a discussion of the reform cannot currently be conducted between politicians—not only for reasons of manners, attention, and political culture—but simply because, at least on one side, they are not serious interlocutors. There’s no one to talk to. Yariv Levin and Simcha Rothman have invested years of frustration and systematic thought in this reform. They draw on position papers and work by the Kohelet Forum and others; it’s evident they have a coherent, reasoned doctrine. Unfortunately, from worthy motivations—and I believe with good intentions and based on a genuinely liberal outlook—they have arrived at a model that, to my taste, is very extreme and very problematic. Alongside them is Bibi who, by all accounts, is a very clever man (and also a liberal), and I assume he understands the situation and the implications of the various solutions. By the way, I’m sure he himself doesn’t want the extreme formulations, but as everyone says (including members of his coalition), it seems he has lost control of the process. Now think: who stands against them? Mainly Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz—who clearly have no idea what this is even about. I’ve never heard from them what they actually think should be done here. What are the problems, if any? Which of the proposed solutions do they accept and which not? What do they think should be done regarding the relationship between the branches? Regarding Basic Laws? Regarding Supreme Court review of Basic Laws and in general? Which of the proposed laws is acceptable to them and in what wording? From their direction one hears mainly general wails about the end of democracy and “we will fight, we won’t allow it,” etc. It gives the impression that neither has sufficient intelligence or seriousness—or at least it’s clear they haven’t invested an ounce of thought and haven’t done their homework. It’s simply not a fair match. The coalition is grounded, reasoned, and ten times more competent than its pitiable opponents. Even if the impression is correct that the coalition is the side trying to avoid dialogue (I’m not at all sure that’s true), there’s no doubt there’s a good reason: they simply have no one to talk to.

What can be heard from the spineless representatives of the other side are mainly cries of doom and declarations about the destruction of democracy—as well as slogans that there’s no point in talking and compromising. Other opposition members dance on the Knesset tables, shout “shame, shame,” and put on various (not very creative) shows to rack up ratings. Even the left’s celebrated readiness to talk and compromise (“You make peace with enemies,” remember? Or maybe only with enemies?…) has disappeared here. Have you ever wondered why? Here’s the answer: unless we assume the current situation is perfect and needs no corrections, the obvious conclusion is that none of the opposition’s representatives has the faintest idea what they themselves would want or think. In their own telling, Israel is undergoing the greatest existential crisis in its history, and yet none of them does their homework or presents a coherent doctrine of their own. Is that not astonishing?!

But paradoxically, behind this pathetic representation there stand quite a few intelligent and educated people—in fact, an overwhelming majority of various experts from law, economics, and high-tech—who at least in part have finally begun to recognize there are problems, and to invest work and thought in their preferred model.[1] The discussion that cannot be conducted with the opposition for the reasons I listed should be conducted with experts and academics, and with practitioners in the economy and business. We should simply skip over the opposition because it doesn’t really exist. Rothman is, in principle, correct that the proper venue for such discussion is the Knesset’s Constitution Committee, but in practice there really isn’t anyone there to talk to (apart from outside invitees, some of whom do speak sense). I wasn’t surprised to read in recent days (between the lines—since the media focuses on hysteria and apocalyptic forecasts) that a dialogue is beginning to develop between Levin and Rothman and various academics—and that is a welcome, positive result of the reform that certainly would not have occurred without it.

If the aim of this whole move was to “bring in a goat” and then remove it—to get the legal system and academia down from the tree of obtuseness and arrogance that led them to reject any proposal and any complaint as the end of democracy—and to start a substantive dialogue to reach a reasonable model, it seems it has already succeeded in that. I only hope the dynamics of this process, combined with the utter bankruptcy of leadership on the opposition’s side and among the hysterical struggle’s leaders, won’t lead the coalition to entrench its delusional stance, push all the way, and refuse to take the “goat” out of the room. As with any explosive situation, tactical maneuvers can have strategic consequences, and once you start a fight it’s unclear how it ends.

The game of chicken

Despite the occasional encouraging signs that peek out between the storms, on the surface it seems the current course of events is heading toward a head-on collision between the government and the Supreme Court—and the question is who will blink first. This recalls the game of chicken I discussed in column 287, in precisely this context. In game theory, chicken is defined as a game where two rivals drive head-on toward each other on a single-lane road; the one who swerves first loses. The question is which of them will blink first. The difference between this game and zero-sum games is that beyond the possibility that A wins or B wins, there’s also the possibility that both crash into each other. In that earlier column, too, the topic was a head-on collision between the Court and the Knesset/coalition—but today such a collision seems almost unavoidable.

Let me emphasize: if the dialogue I mentioned above does not mature, the results will not be the destruction of democracy. I’ve written more than once that even if the reform passes in full, I think we will still remain a democracy. The hysteria in the discourse about it is exaggerated. I’m talking about the danger of a dismal outcome of the game of chicken: an explosion between branches of government and between sectors of society. There may still be democracy here—but a functioning state is far from guaranteed. Beyond the embarrassment and uncertainty regarding the legitimacy of the executive and judicial branches in such a scenario, the economic and diplomatic consequences of this reform could be very serious. For example, capital flight, blocked investments, and businesses moving abroad could bring us to the brink. I quite agree these steps are mainly political rather than substantive (and that is entirely legitimate; I don’t share the criticism on that front), but even if done for political reasons, the consequences of such processes can be disastrous and hard to reverse. If the economy deteriorates, it will be quite difficult to restore it to a healthy state. More broadly, the real danger in the reform is not democracy per se. I don’t think any of us faces existential peril. What is likely is an incapacity to cope with unjust but relatively moderate steps by the government (such as privileges for the Haredim, religion-state relations, corrupt and/or unworthy appointments to the government and other positions, and so forth).

From here on I’ll offer an explanation of why we are almost inevitably drawn into this game of chicken, and I’ll spell out its implications.

Basic concepts: the authority of the majority and the tyranny of the majority

I’ll begin with an important clarification. As I’ve written more than once, debates over the definition of “democracy” are unnecessary and essentially empty. Claims that one mustn’t do X because “it’s not democratic” hide the substantive claim that we shouldn’t do it because it’s not good (since what I consider good I will define as democratic). Therefore it’s better to talk about what is good and appropriate and what is not—and to argue substantively—rather than to debate the meaning of a vague concept like “democracy,” which begs the question and thus cannot decide any debate. Still, I will use it here, but only to describe what I consider worthy. I hope we won’t be dragged into conceptual and semantic debates but will focus on substantive arguments—what is good and appropriate and what is not.

The root of all problems lies in how we conceive of democracy and the separation of powers it employs. In the current debates many note that the democracy in question is not merely majority rule. That’s obvious, yet seems not fully agreed on; so I’ll touch on it briefly here as well. It’s accepted to demand of a democracy that it also protect minorities—that is, to deny the majority the ability to abuse a minority, or the state the ability to abuse citizens.[2] Contrary to what many think, this is not merely a moral requirement added to the democratic demand for majority rule, but a consequence of the logic at the very base of democracy and of the authority and status of the majority itself. The majority has no authority over the minority unless the minority has accepted the rules of the game—that is, only when the majority and minority together constitute a shared society that makes decisions together by agreement. If we are not talking about a public willing to play together by rules set with everyone’s consent, there is no way to justify following the majority.

For example: State A cannot claim against State B that since A is larger and its citizens are the majority, B must accept A’s decisions regarding it. In halakhah, too, there is no nullification by a majority when the majority and minority do not belong to the same mixture. Regarding judicial panels, the Talmud says the noble-minded in Jerusalem would check who sat with them at a meal—i.e., a judge who joins a panel must ensure before joining that he’s prepared to sign the ruling even if he’s in the minority against his two colleagues. If you don’t respect them and aren’t prepared to accept the majority’s ruling, don’t join the panel. If it’s not a panel of three agreed upon by all, there’s no justification for following the majority and “majority” is meaningless. In columns 66 and 79 I explained that this argument is far more apt for a democratic majority than for a court’s majority. I cited there Rabbeinu Tam, who goes further still and holds that in communal decisions (as opposed to a court), the majority has no standing and “follow the majority” does not apply. In his view, political decisions should be accepted unanimously (I showed there that the other early authorities also agree in principle, but practically it cannot work since it gives the minority veto power).

The meaning is that preventing the tyranny of the majority is not a kindness the majority does for the minority. Without agreement on that principle, we do not have one shared society—and then there is no justification for the entire democratic game; accordingly the majority has no authority to impose its view on the minority.[3] These are not two separate principles but two sides of the same coin. When there is tyranny of the majority, discourse is not based on justice and a genuine mandate held by the majority, nor on a genuine obligation of the minority to accept it—but on force. In that case one cannot fault the minority for wielding counter-force and refusing to accept the majority view.

Basic concepts: Basic Laws and separation of powers

Although preventing tyranny of the majority is the other side of the majority’s authority at the level of philosophical justification, in practice it is very hard to achieve in a democratic framework. The very operation of a democratic regime even somewhat contradicts this principle practically. The fundamental rule in democracy is that the majority decides (after the minority agrees to the rules of the game). Therefore, the legal rules that protect minorities depend on the majority’s consent: the majority enacts them and can also change them. So how can we actually enshrine and protect citizen and minority rights from tyranny of the state and/or majority? How does this practically manifest in the regime’s design? The minority depends on the majority’s good will, despite there being no ethical, substantive justification for that (beyond raw power). Precisely here arises the need for a constitution. A constitution is a “heavier” component in the legal corpus—harder to change under any given political constellation—and thus can restrain such abuses. It does not depend on the current, incidental majority; rather it represents more stable, broader norms that provide a framework for the specific debates between majority and minority.

But even a constitution has little meaning without an authority charged with enforcing it—a judicial system. It is responsible for upholding the law by both citizens and authorities. Courts examine whether a citizen or a government authority is acting according to law or has violated it, and therefore it is quite reasonable to give them the ability to review even legislation—at least for compatibility with Basic Laws and the constitution (otherwise a constitution is meaningless). A constitution without a judiciary, or a judiciary without a constitution, isn’t worth much. A constitution that doesn’t give the judiciary tools to review the other branches doesn’t do its job.

Hence the doctrine of separation of powers. Instead of a single ruler, as in a totalitarian monarchy, the accepted model of democratic government consists of three branches: legislative, executive, and judicial—meant to balance each other and ensure that no single branch wields too much power. The methods for selecting each branch vary by country, but I think in all the democracies I know there are three such branches, and in all there are efforts to ensure they are empowered, distinct, and independent—that is, as far as possible not dependent on each other.

To understand this better, I’ll also present the “principle of legality.” According to this fundamental principle, a citizen may do anything except what the law forbids, while a government authority may do nothing except what the law permits it. You must grasp that if the state authority is omnipotent—i.e., if it sets the laws (which means there is no stable constitution that is hard and cumbersome to change), and in particular if the judiciary cannot effectively review the decisions of the other branches—then the principle of legality loses its meaning. The executive can do whatever it wants and abuse citizens or groups at will. We return to tyranny of the state and of the majority.

Two central ailments here

I’ve written more than once that Israel’s governmental structure has two serious ailments: (1) The legislative branch has almost no standing or power, since the executive controls it without restraint; (2) The law is made a mockery by the executive. Because we have no stable constitution, our Basic Laws are changed quickly and without special difficulty according to incidental needs of the here and now. Thus the laws themselves become another tool in the executive’s hands. Moreover, the executive can label any law it passes a Basic Law, pass it by any majority whatsoever, and now demand that the judiciary grant it immunity (and at the same time, not use it to strike down other laws). Such a situation empties separation of powers and their independence of content.

Note: there is a lot of sense to the argument that Basic Laws cannot be subject to judicial review, for judicial review is supposed to be based on Basic Laws (and not on judges’ personal views—otherwise they become a legislature without being elected). But absent a definition of what a Basic Law is and absent making such laws stable and substantively distinct from ordinary laws (for example, by requiring a special majority, a complex adoption process, and a cumbersome procedure for changes),[4] that demand empties the balance between branches and our protection from tyranny of the state. Theoretically everything looks fine, but in practice it doesn’t work. It’s no wonder that all legal experts (as reflected also in President Herzog’s proposal) understand that the first step toward sane, balanced reform is a Basic Law: Legislation—one that must include a stable, objective definition of Basic Laws and hurdles to prevent quick, too-easy changes. Only then can we talk about balance between branches and limiting judicial review of Basic Laws and of laws in general.

What is democracy: theory or practice?

I think a key point that usually slips by in the discourse is whether democracy (in the sense I defined above—i.e., the right way to govern) is defined by a set of rules—that is, laws and regime design—or by how things actually play out. The current discussion focuses on rules, and the debate rages over which rule-system should be adopted. Everyone, therefore, speaks in empty semantic terms and debates the empty, tautological question of “what is democracy.” Indeed, democracy is defined as some set(s) of rules of a certain type. But the deeper question is whether it’s even right to define good governance by the rules in force. Is democracy indeed a synonym for—or sufficient guarantee of—proper governance?

As a thought experiment, imagine a state with no separation of powers where the government holds full power to do whatever it wants, but does not abuse that power. In his benevolence the enlightened ruler grants citizens all rights and looks after their welfare (something like this exists in Singapore—though not entirely). I don’t know if it’s right to call this a democracy, but in my eyes it’s a state that is governed well and properly—certainly better than a state where the rules are perfect but not really implemented. Note: I’m not speaking here about future fears that our enlightened government will stop caring (so of course rules are also needed); that’s certainly true—there is no guarantee the government will continue to behave this way. But for the purposes of the discussion, let’s look at such a situation in itself; I’ll immediately explain why this matters.

I’ve often written that a rule system cannot truly solve substantive problems—at least not when the situation is not simple (see columns 4849 and 119). The reason is that it’s impossible to create a governmental rule system without loopholes. I cited, among other things, the proposal for fair division of a cake between two children (see also columns 119 and 122): one cuts, the other chooses first. It’s a method perfect from a game-theory standpoint, but I showed there that it cannot work in practice (there it creates problems rather than solving them). In column 160 I mentioned the famous story about the logician Kurt Gödel who, when coming to be examined by U.S. immigration authorities on the American Constitution, planned to announce triumphantly that he had found a logical loophole/contradiction in the Constitution. His friends who accompanied him—Einstein and Morgenstern (he kept good company)—managed to stop him at the last second, and thus his citizenship was saved. We also saw this in our small country after the adoption of the law for direct election of the prime minister. Its initiators saw it as a great salvation that would solve all our governmental woes; within a year or two it became clear it only worsened things. Top-down solutions to problems of real life (as opposed to mathematical problems) usually don’t work. Changing the rules solves almost no substantive problem in complex situations. In life, bottom-up works better.

Returning to our discussion, consider a situation in which Israel has a stable constitution. The constitution protects our rights and is accepted by the majority; its stability is achieved through stabilizing rules—for example, that enactments or changes require approval by two different Knessets. One could also require that any legislation or change be suspended for a set time and require subsequent ratification, etc. But those very rules can be changed by a simple vote in one Knesset. A 2–1 majority will determine that two Knessets aren’t needed to amend the constitution, and immediately afterwards they’ll amend it by that same 2–1 vote. Even if we stipulate that changing the rule requiring two Knessets itself requires approval by fifteen Knessets, the Knesset could still change that law by a 2–1 vote and abolish the constitution at a stroke. In short, there is no way to close all loopholes via a rigid rule system (in the previous column I argued that even the Holy One, blessed be He, didn’t and doesn’t succeed at that). A Basic Law can be changed exactly as it was enacted, and any mechanism preventing that can also be altered easily so long as there’s an incidental majority. There is no hermetic body of law that solves the problems. Tyranny of the majority is built in—and almost invited—by the democratic system.

The players’ integrity

The upshot is that even if you insist democracy is a system of rules, proper governance cannot rest on the democratic rule set alone—no matter how good. Because there is no perfect rule system, and any system can be breached by a determined coalition that knows what it wants, an integral—and perhaps the more important—part of a democratic regime is the integrity of its people and the democratic culture in which the rules are applied. If people do not act out of commitment to preserving the democratic framework and separation of powers, no set of rules will stop them. The branches can use their powers to change the rules of the game themselves, since the rules have no standing of their own other than by virtue of the unwritten democratic game (democratic culture). What stops this destructive loop and plugs its holes is only the democratic culture—not the rules themselves.

Thus, separation of powers doesn’t truly solve the problems—and cannot. The Knesset can always enact or repeal laws and thereby neutralize the judiciary’s powers. Below I’ll note that there is a built-in asymmetry between the branches. The Knesset, as legislature, always has the advantage—and when it’s controlled by the government, the situation is worse. The only way to maintain balance between the branches is to demand integrity from the players beyond the rules—that is, not to make improper use of the legal power indeed placed in their hands (by the rules).

On the other hand, if only the players and their democratic culture matters, why do the rules matter at all? Gadi Taub and his fellow reform supporters repeatedly claim that warnings about risks to democracy don’t bother them—even if true. They say that if people here don’t want democracy, there won’t be democracy; you can’t impose democracy on the public or on the government, and no rule system can do that. And if people want democracy, there will be democracy—regardless of the rule set. They are entirely right about that. Yet even so, the claim is extremely childish. First, without legal rules, what exactly are we preserving with integrity? The rules set the framework, and integrity is how we preserve it. Without a rule system it’s not clear what is demanded of an upright player. In basketball you need to define what a foul is—and only then can you demand players not commit fouls and assess their sportsmanship. Second, what happens if the public wants democracy but the government doesn’t and acts against the will of its senders? (I already noted that this is precisely the situation today—despite the empty slogans about the “will of the people” expressed at the polls.)

Clearly, proper rules can contribute to stability and balance—even if they cannot replace the need for integrity. The legal system and rules of conduct are not meant to solve the problems, but they are the basis without which there is no way to do so. The claim that democratic rules don’t matter and everything should be left to the good will of the players on the field is truly childish. Note that even the reform’s supporters are working to change the law; they do not say it doesn’t matter. That is, when it suits them they too agree the rule system matters greatly and they work on it quite a bit—when it doesn’t suit them they explain the rules don’t really matter.

The relationship between rules and integrity parallels what I’ve written often about theory vs. practice. Following the rules is correct in theory—and indeed both the problems that led to the reform and the solutions it proposes are well-justified by formal, theoretical rules. The problems arise mainly in practice. One can find a brilliant description of a similar phenomenon in Michael Oakeshott’s essay “Rationalism in Politics.”[5] There he distinguishes between two kinds of competence (political as well as scientific etc.): theoretical knowledge and the practical skill of application. I’ll return to this below.

Deterministic discourse

The picture I’ve sketched has important implications for understanding the current discourse. My critique of Netta Barak-Corren (see note 1 above) was that at times (though typically she is very balanced and moderate) she joins the deterministic discourse. The discussion today rests mainly on examples of government decisions that cannot be prevented without an effective judiciary. People talk about a government decision to murder redheads, to deny rights to women or Arabs, to arbitrarily raise taxes to fund weekly Bahamas vacations for ministers, to exempt settlers from taxes and bus fares (some even imagine appointing a minister convicted of financial crimes as finance minister—but that’s truly science fiction), and so forth. All these are decisions that, if the reform passes, cannot be avoided legally. That’s certainly true—but it’s also true today (without the reform). Today too the government can make such decisions (and even appoint a corrupt person as finance minister), label them Basic Laws and insert a limitation clause that places them above judicial review by virtue of existing Basic Laws—and that’s that. So why does this almost never happen? Because the Knesset and government have some integrity (and perhaps some fear of harsh criticism and the next elections). It turns out we have not completely lost that.

The deterministic discourse around the reform assumes Murphy’s Law: everything that can go wrong will go wrong. If the Court can’t strike down laws—even Basic Laws—then a theocratic regime will necessarily arise, minority and citizen rights will be denied, and government will operate in a totalitarian manner. This is how one arrives at apocalyptic fantasies about an immediate end to democracy (Poland and Hungary right here).

But that’s not true, of course. Even if the rule system allows government tyranny, it need not happen (in my view it almost certainly won’t happen in extremis). The fact is that even until now the government and coalition had the power to change laws and insert limitation clauses wherever they wished—and they didn’t. Despite the rather low integrity of our elected officials, it’s a fact they usually don’t go wildly beyond the bounds (though those bounds are constantly expanding), even though doing so is entirely within their legal power now. Note that passing the reform is itself a move within their authority; the critics themselves argue that this would allow the government to change everything. Yet the fact is this hasn’t been done until now—hence everyone’s surprise and outcry about this move. Another example: justices appointed to the Supreme Court as “conservatives” repeatedly surprise their appointers and all of us with non-conservative rulings—and vice versa. Contrary to the false myth spread by the coalition, even the “leftists” of the Supreme Court almost never intervene in religion-state questions as well as politics and policy (there are dozens and hundreds of examples). But that doesn’t stop the reform’s critics from proclaiming that changing the selection method will nullify the judiciary’s effectiveness. This determinism is greatly exaggerated. When a person enters office, he usually has minimal integrity. All this could happen in principle, but in practice in most cases it doesn’t. Murphy is wrong: not everything that can go wrong, does go wrong. So it’s not always correct to assume it as a working premise.

These doom-laden prophecies by reform critics (and by supporters as well) rest on the assumption that everything depends on rules; if the rules allow a gap or a hostile takeover, it will inevitably occur. But that assumption is wrong for both sides. Improper acts occur here all the time with the current rule system, and they will occur under any future system as well. Yet we still are very much a democracy (one that sometimes behaves disgracefully—we’re all human), and for the foreseeable future it seems we will remain so. There will be distortions (like appointing the corrupt and manipulative gamesmanship with Basic Laws), but I’m not truly afraid for our democracy itself.

Attributing absolute weight to rules and theory—and defining democracy exclusively by rules—is what leads to hysteria and unrealistic forecasts, and therefore greatly hampers finding a solution. Integrity—the factor that determines actual conduct and how laws and rules are used—is no less important to the debate and must be considered as well (and certainly not despaired of; if it doesn’t exist, no rule system will help).

So what is the role of the rule system?

But if everything really rises and falls on the conduct of people, what is the importance of the rule system? Where does Gadi Taub err? Why fight such a bitter battle over the rule system itself? It would seem both supporters and opponents of the reform are mistaken.

The rule system is meant to help reduce dependence on people’s integrity and minimize the chance of deviations—even small ones (which happen today), and certainly extreme ones. If there is a stable constitution, it will give the Court a basis to review government. True, the Knesset can always change the constitution and the rules themselves—and as we saw, that remains true even if we place them in a straitjacket of rules making changes difficult—but it will at least give the public an early warning that allows a struggle before the next step (as is happening today). When the Knesset changes the rule requiring two Knessets to amend a Basic Law, people can take to the streets before the next step, in which the government changes the Basic Laws themselves. The rules make it so that processes of change and corruption are not so easy, short, and immediate—and of course when there are rules it’s clearer to us all who is behaving properly and who not. As I explained, the rules set how a person or body with integrity behaves: he keeps the rules and does not misuse them. Without rules there’s not much meaning to integrity.

Therefore, despite the critical importance of the players’ integrity, there is great importance to enacting a proper rule system. Even if it’s not the sole condition of our being a democracy, it is important for stabilizing it. Without integrity, no rule system will save us. And when the system displays low levels of integrity, rules are all the more necessary to protect us.

This insight can lower the flames and pressures accompanying the discourse and bring it back to sanity. The loss at stake is not democracy itself, but there is certainly importance to what balances will exist between the branches—and how far they will protect us from tyranny of the state. Just yesterday someone sent me powerful words by a Haredi rabbi named David Leibel on the “HaMakom” site (for some reason I can’t find them now—perhaps they were deleted under the censor’s fear?) where he speaks of the importance of protecting minority and citizen rights for the Haredi public as well. He rightly laments the shortsightedness of Haredim who fight the Supreme Court while ignoring the possibility that a government not to their liking will arise and threaten their values (draft exemptions, taxes on soda, and other Haredi tenets). After the reform they so wanted and advanced, there will be no one to protect them from the state’s tyranny.

A built-in asymmetry between government and the judiciary

The next important assumption people miss is that there’s a built-in asymmetry between the legislative/executive (which, in our case, are really one) and the judiciary. The former set the latter’s powers. They set the rules of the game that bind all three branches (the laws). In different words: the Court must operate within the law and has no legal way to deviate from it, while the government and Knesset can simply change it. Hence, de jure at least, there is no set of rules binding the Knesset and government.

Moreover, the government makes thousands of practical decisions, while the Court can at most invalidate this or that decision—and even that only if the case reaches it and only if it contradicts a Basic Law. At least theoretically, it cannot invalidate a Basic Law at all. Several very important implications follow.

First, it’s much more important to limit the government’s power than the Court’s. The Court can only invalidate particular decisions; its impact on us is quite limited. The government’s impact on our lives is dramatic—and if it allows itself to legislate and act as it pleases without constraints and review, the fear of harm to our rights is infinitely greater than fears of judicial overreach.

Second, we cannot rely on the Court as the sole check on government decisions. From my personal experience: when we lived in Yeruham, there was a corrupt council head who made dozens of decisions each day in direct violation of the law. We had ironclad evidence; above him stood the Interior Minister and his ministry—and still nothing could be done. Why? Because citizens like us had to gather material on each of his actions (most of which we didn’t know about; among other things he didn’t fulfill the Freedom of Information law and didn’t provide what we requested—go file a complaint about that too), then organize the material and build a proper petition to the Supreme Court, pay an attorney to attend every relevant session, prod the police to act and the Court to see public interest and that the presumption of administrative regularity had been overcome—and run this entire gauntlet for each of the hundreds and thousands of his decisions every day. You understand this is utterly impractical. No wonder he acted entirely freely, as if operating alone in a vacuum with no regulation or oversight. Now imagine the possibility of oversight over a government that makes far more decisions, most far more critical to us all, with nothing above it (except the U.N.). How can decisions of a government be effectively reviewed—even if we have a very accessible Court and wide standing? Clearly the government has an interest in setting the rules so that it cannot be limited or reviewed; indeed the legal power lies only in its hands. This is that asymmetry again.

This is exactly why the norm—strange at first glance—arose that a legal advisor’s opinion in a ministry or government agency is binding. The theoretical logic says it’s only advice; therefore a minister or director can prefer different advice. At most the matter goes to court. But as we saw above, if a legal advisor’s opinion were merely non-binding advice, oversight over government would become impossible. There’s no way to go to court over every administrative decision. Therefore, despite the theoretical logic in the reformists’ claim that legal advisors should give advice not directives, factually there is no other practical solution. Again, this is the clash between theory and practice—or between logical rule systems and their application in the field (integrity). I’ve addressed this tension more than once; in our context see e.g. columns 517 and 534.

Likewise, there’s a very justified claim from reform supporters that the Court is not elected by the public (and does not represent it—less true in recent years), and therefore it’s more reasonable to give power to the Knesset and government rather than to the Court. That claim is very correct—at least in theory—and precisely from it flows the asymmetry between them. Therefore the Court cannot legislate; it can only operate within the law. Only the Knesset can legislate and the government act; the Court cannot. Hence the Court’s influence on our lives is marginal, while the government’s is vast. But this is true in theory—and only as long as all players’ integrity is maintained, i.e., when government and Knesset operate within a fitting democratic culture. Remember: their integrity is a necessary condition for creating a reasonable balance between government and Court despite the built-in asymmetry—and for preventing tyranny of the majority. Without that integrity, the differences in power between government and Court, and the Court’s structural dependence on government and Knesset, empty their balance of meaning and thus our democracy of content. This is critical for understanding the whole process.

For the same reason, the popular claim among reform supporters that it’s no less important to limit the judiciary’s power than the executive’s is incorrect. When speaking of limiting the executive we mustn’t forget to limit the judiciary? That’s simply not true. Limiting the executive’s power is infinitely more important—even though (and precisely because) it’s the elected branch.

[In parentheses I’ll note: naturally the Court will make problematic decisions mainly in the “left” direction, because the government has been on the right for quite a few years. By the principle of legality, the Court’s role is to limit government decisions; hence when the Court invalidates government actions or laws, they are naturally “to the left.” It’s important to understand that in the vast majority of cases the Court invalidates nothing and accepts government decisions as valid; but the invalidations, when they occur, are always “left” of government. That is the meaning of balance between branches. This is inevitable and does not indicate distortion. Note too that a thoroughly right-wing bench won’t change this fact. At most it will reduce invalidations somewhat—but those will still paint it “left” compared to the government. This sharpens the inter-branch tension and serves the coalition’s false propaganda that the Court is leftist and composed entirely of denizens of “Rehavia” (long untrue). The truth is it’s a natural result of healthy checks and balances.]

We have almost reached the heart of the matter: in light of what we’ve seen, you can already understand that the game of chicken is an inevitable result of lost integrity. But first a brief discussion of the ideas of the American Jewish legal philosopher Ronald Dworkin.

Dworkin’s principles

In a nutshell, Dworkin argues that the Court should consider not only enacted law but also foundational principles and values of the culture and legal system within which it operates. The easiest way to illustrate is, of course, with the Nazis. In the Nuremberg trials, people were prosecuted for obeying the law. On its face this is a bizarre legal step: how can one bring a person to trial for obeying the law? The assumption was that there are laws that exist even without anyone legislating them. Fundamental moral laws—say, that one doesn’t murder people for no reason—require no legislation. The novelty is that this also holds in the legal sphere: the Court can rely on them and judge those who violated them—and the defense that they complied with a legal order won’t avail them. From here one can also derive the principle of a manifestly illegal order, and the like.

Dworkin widens the lens further. In his view, the Court should also consider principles unique to the given society—not only universal moral principles—and rely on them when judging a person or authority (I think the “Jewish” in addition to “democratic” is a good example). As I understand it, the motivation behind this doctrine is the very asymmetry I described above. Note that after Dworkin’s adjustment there are principles that the legislature cannot circumvent in any formal way. A legislature cannot enact a Basic Law to murder all redheads or prefer one group over another—even if no law forbids it (for the law is in its hands; the legislature sets what the law is). This introduces greater symmetry between the legislative/executive and the judiciary and reduces the latter’s absolute dependence on the former.

Of course this is a very non-trivial doctrine: who determines these principles? The reasonable person? And who determines who is “reasonable”? Follow the majority? Hold a referendum on every question? Results will depend on phrasing, and referenda have many problems (e.g., in current polls there’s a clear majority for compromise on the reform, even among right-wing voters, but the government doesn’t much care). This doctrine effectively grants legislative power to the Court, and of course makes decisions depend on judges’ values (though they’re supposed to assess the society’s values—an ambiguous matter)—and judges are unelected.

A similar rationale underlies the controversy over the “reasonableness” doctrine. Here too we speak of value-laden judicial decisions that acquire legal standing without being legislated by the Knesset. Using reasonableness likewise reduces the judiciary’s dependence on the legislative/executive: legislative tricks by government and Knesset cannot always force a desired outcome on the Court; it can always say something is unreasonable and strike down a law or decision. Note that reasonableness and foundational principles (Dworkin’s) in principle allow striking down Basic Laws as well—since such invalidation is no longer based solely on contradiction with a Basic Law but on conflict with broader principles that were never legislated.

We can illustrate the need for such considerations without resorting to Nazis. Two almost banal examples: think of a local council deciding to gather all the town’s garbage at Reuven’s doorstep (I saw this via Chen Ma’anit). Suppose no law forbids it. The majority will of course vote in favor—Reuven is only one person and everyone else benefits. Is it not reasonable to empower the Court to say this decision is unreasonable and void, even absent a municipal or national law? Is it realistic to expect the citizen to lobby the Knesset to change the law to forbid it?! Another example is a real case from Moshav Beit Elazari, where the Court compelled a secular council, against its will, to build a mikveh for religious residents and anyone interested—based on reasonableness. There is no legal obligation to build a mikveh, but the decision not to build one seemed to the (secular) judge unreasonable. This is an excellent example of reasonableness serving the “dossim” (you won’t read that in Yated Ne’eman), and there are several more like it.

We saw above that law cannot cover all cases or eliminate loopholes entirely. Therefore there is no escape from appointing a body that can review decisions on the basis of reasonableness. I’m not entering here into who that body should be, how it should be chosen, whether to separate it from the Supreme Court and perhaps even from the High Court of Justice (to create a constitutional court), etc. My purpose is only to point to the logic in the existence of such a body and such doctrines. This is a vital way to prevent tyranny of the majority.

To be sure, both reasonableness and Dworkin’s principles are contested among jurists, and the scope of their application is even more controversial (e.g., whether they should be used only to overturn administrative decisions or also to strike down statutes. In Israel reasonableness is used only to void administrative decisions). There is no doubt these are far-reaching doctrines and their theoretical justification is very problematic. On the other hand, practice sometimes requires them—and this returns us to theory vs. practice. I’m not here to endorse or oppose them, only to show their logic based on the built-in asymmetry between branches and the need to prevent tyranny of the majority. You can understand that the lower the executive’s integrity, the greater the need for these problematic doctrines.

What happens when governmental culture deteriorates? When integrity vanishes, we are left essentially with the rule component of democracy—but it is full of gaps that cannot be sealed by rules alone. Separation of powers disappears and we are left with the executive’s absolute dominance. I must preface that this process occurs on the side of the executive/legislative and on the judicial side alike. Both sides are at fault—and this inevitably leads to a game of chicken between them. We’ll see this in the next two sections: the first on government, the second on the judiciary.

Chicken game: the government’s loss of integrity

Our Knesset enacts Basic Laws by incidental majorities and doesn’t bother to define clearly their status, how they are to be used, and who has authority to ensure compliance. What happens if in this ambiguity the government and Knesset take steps that seem very problematic and contrary to Basic Laws? What if the Knesset and government initiate blatantly personal Basic Laws intended to appoint a minister convicted of financial crimes as finance minister? This is an extreme breach of integrity—even if the procedure itself is entirely legal (another manifestation of the asymmetry between the legislative/executive, which sets the laws, and the judiciary, which operates within them).

Although theoretically we also have a legislative and oversight branch—the Knesset—practically it can do nothing in such cases, for it is under the government’s total control. Moreover, remember that the Knesset enacts the laws that allow the government to do what it wants. So who will stand in the breach? We are left only with the Court. But if it has no authority defined in law to strike down laws or government decisions, we remain under unlimited government tyranny (though as I explained, that does not necessarily mean we have already collapsed).

The loss of governmental culture (and that of the Knesset) necessarily leads to drastic steps by the Court, which takes upon itself the power to balance and review the branch (singular) opposite it, for no one else will do so. If the government enacts a blatantly personal Basic Law enabling the appointment of a corrupt, repeatedly convicted person as finance minister in charge of the public purse—and no one utters a peep—the Court finds itself compelled to stand in the breach. Now it’s argued against it that it has no authority to strike down a Basic Law and is exceeding its powers—which of course justifies the reform. Seemingly a very correct claim—but only seemingly.

This is true from the standpoint of democratic theory. It’s not reasonable that the values of an unelected bench determine what is reasonable and stand against a government elected by and representing the majority. But the government too is deviating from the rules—even if not formally (since it acts legally). It deviates from integrity and the democratic culture that are the basis of the partnership and the minority’s willingness to accept the rules of the game. The dam that stops majority tyranny is breached; this threatens the society’s existence and, of course, the law itself.

It’s no wonder that in such a situation talk begins of civil disobedience—a legitimate tool in extreme cases where social cohesion is lost. Majority tyranny leads to its loss of legitimacy and to the minority no longer being obligated to accept its decisions. Here we see this process expanding to “civil disobedience” by the Court (!), which finds itself entering this vacuum for lack of choice. It exceeds its powers because the powers themselves and the rules defining them have been breached and are no longer binding. In the absence of integrity, the law has no force; thus the law is no longer a mutually accepted framework. We saw that what protects us from tyranny and dictatorship is not only law but integrity. If the government violates foundational norms that threaten democracy and displays a lack of integrity, the Court sees itself obligated to deviate from the rules—and in its case that necessarily means deviating from law. The Knesset can easily change the law and therefore need not deviate from it—it can act with lack of integrity to achieve whatever it wants. But the Court is also bound by law; thus when it decides to exert power, it necessarily acts outside the law. This is the branches’ asymmetry described above. Put differently: this is where Dworkin’s principles and the reasonableness doctrine are called for—they are the Court’s tools to go beyond enacted law in order to counterbalance government force. It’s the gentlest way to advance civil resistance without smashing the tools and rules entirely. The theoretical critique of the Court is justified—but on the practical plane it has almost no choice.

Chicken game: the judiciary’s loss of integrity

Precisely because of my consistent criticism of the government and the current coalition, it’s very important to add the other side of the coin. Opponents of the reform tend to paint the situation as if only one side is to blame for improper conduct: the government and Knesset. But that’s simply untrue. The Court ran wild in its use of reasonableness, Dworkin’s principles, and departures from what law allows and prescribes—even where there was no real justification. It used these tools in situations where governments acted with a reasonable level of integrity, so there was no justification for the judicial activism that developed in recent years—and in doing so the judiciary brought this reform upon itself and upon us all.

One can find a fascinating (if, to my taste, overly extreme and tendentious) description of this process in Daniel Friedmann’s survey. The Court acted with extreme lack of integrity and exploited power not entrusted to it. It departed from law and essentially permitted itself to set the rules. It engaged in judicial legislation of statutes and administrative norms without agreed authority and without genuine debate. Thus the judiciary violated the system’s built-in asymmetry and sought to rebalance powers unjustifiably (the asymmetry flows from our regime’s structure and must exist in normal conditions). That of course led to a lack of integrity on the government’s part in trying to overcome judicial imperialism—and so on, in a loop.

This is an escalation that follows almost inevitably from lost integrity on both sides. In such a situation, the government changes law (including Basic Laws) recklessly and irresponsibly and turns law into a tool for its needs. Against such conduct there is no other way to secure balance except via judicial deviation beyond what law permits. Practice requires it. These days the only thing considered sacred and agreed upon in the democratic struggle is law—since neither side trusts the other’s democratic culture or integrity (and both are right). Thus together both sides bring us to a game of chicken. Now the collision seems almost unavoidable.

For many years the judiciary has refused to let anyone move their cheese by even a millimeter. The right, although it holds political power and (not always justifiably) feels hostility and antagonism from the judiciary, continues to complain yet shows remarkable restraint (I think mainly thanks to Netanyahu, who has consistently, resolutely protected the judiciary over the years). This is indeed behavior showing integrity—unlike much of the judiciary’s conduct.

In the current term there’s a sense the right has had enough of this and one can sense despair about the possibility of dialogue and cooperation with the judiciary. Therefore they decided to move in practical directions. These days the locomotive is barreling ahead at full speed: out of sheer frustration they have entirely abandoned considerations of integrity. From now on, law, power, and rules speak. In this debate, no one is speaking anymore about demands and considerations of uprightness.

It’s important to understand that what is somehow called “the right” here (though the right usually favors a weak government and strong courts, and the left favors a strong, centralist government) has behaved with impressive patience in recent years. For years it has felt aggrieved by the judiciary’s conduct and the powers it took upon itself, and as a result the need for reforms (each time on a different point) has arisen repeatedly. Yet despite all this, no one really did anything practical. Each time there was some obstacle—but in my view there was also recognition of the judiciary’s importance and independence, and a great commitment not to break the tools. Recall that along the way any proposal that even hinted at today’s directions immediately drew torrents of criticism from the left and the judiciary—characterized by frustrating obtuseness and arrogance and by a total lack of listening. Many on the right (and not only there) grew sick of the incessant “end of democracy” that was predicted from every proposal—reasonable or less so—raised in these domains.

A balanced look at the escalation

I have already written that in my view almost all the problems that motivate the reform are justified, and most of the solutions it proposes have justification as well. But the justifications are theoretical, while the problems are created on the practical plane. The practical problems arise mainly because the reform’s package (even if almost every detail can be justified) leads to severe distortions in practice (this is also my main critique of Friedmann’s survey, which is all legal theory while blatantly ignoring the harsh practicalities this formalism creates). Bottom line: both sides are culpable on the slippery slope down which our two brave and foolish “chickens” are now sliding straight toward a crash.

Reform supporters rightly point to the asymmetry between government and the judiciary—in powers and in conduct. They argue that the government acts according to law while the Court exceeds it. What they fail to see is that integrity—the second component—is an inseparable part of the game. In its absence, law has no sanctity. If one side of the principle of legality is violated (the government does what it wants, even without authorization), then the other side will necessarily be violated as well (citizens and courts will do what they want). Moreover, if they amend the law and pass the reform, the Court will continue to violate it even more. As it is said: “As in water face answers to face.” There is no structural solution to this—for rules cannot substitute for integrity.

The game of chicken and its shattering: the great crash

At present the government is running wild and enacting whatever it wants. We saw that this is the result of justified frustration with an obtuse, arrogant judiciary that took powers without real justification. As I noted, there is a solid public majority against the reform’s extreme formulations—but the government acts against the public and even against its voters, claiming it was properly elected. That’s true. Theoretically, under the rules (the law), the government is permitted to act as it understands—even if there is no public majority for its actions. But clearly this lacks ethical and practical justification (perhaps excepting cases where “things seen from there aren’t seen from here”—not the situation in this debate), and it is certainly not conduct that reflects integrity.

Note that the rules are the only thing considered binding—indeed “sacred”—these days. The reformists’ rationale is that it fits the law and that’s their right—and that suffices. They also argue the judiciary exceeds the powers granted by law—and they are probably theoretically right. Beyond that, the general debate now is about who violates the law (who incites, who calls for civil disobedience, etc.). But those are not the important questions. We’ve seen the crisis is not caused by law; therefore changing the law won’t solve it. The crisis is caused by a loss of integrity on both sides. The truly important question is not who violates the law and who acts within it—but who acts properly and who doesn’t.

Because of this, a very dangerous—but to my mind entirely justified—public expectation is formed that even if the reform passes, or if “Deri Law 1–2–3–et al.,” the prime minister incapacitation law, or any other rampage by this horror coalition passes—the Court will strike down these laws on one ground or another. But on what basis? These are Basic Laws! Formally it seems clearly outside its powers, since that’s against the rules. It could perhaps be justified on the basis of Dworkin’s principles and/or reasonableness. But those aren’t legal rules; they’re philosophical doctrine—and as such many won’t accept them as legitimate rulings but as judicial legislation. Where integrity and democratic culture have entirely vanished, only the formal rules (law) are in play—but in such a situation there is no balance against the executive. The Court is paralyzed—and a path to majority tyranny opens. But in such a situation there is no justification for majority rule either—since preventing tyranny of the majority is a condition for the minority’s agreement to play the game. The rules are breaking; so it’s no wonder the anti-reform public expects the Court to deviate from the rules and go head-to-head against government and Knesset.

What will happen when the Court strikes down these Basic Laws (a fully possible scenario, in my view), and the government declares the Court has exceeded its authority and its ruling has no force (which is theoretically quite true)? Ministers—and perhaps the prime minister—will be declared by the Court illegal, their orders void; they will declare the same about the Court. We will find ourselves in a terrible constitutional crisis. There will be an explosion that could finally tear us apart. Imagine what a soldier or police officer is to do when ordered by a commander or a minister whom the Court has declared illegal, while the government declares the Court illegal and its orders nonbinding. One officer comes to arrest the prime minister by order of the Court; his colleague comes to arrest the judge by order of the government. A civil war will be waged here between the government’s forces and the Court’s. It seems to me the probability of such a result today is not negligible. See, for example, here Ronni Alsheikh’s words predicting such scenarios. He thinks the police will heed the Court; I’m far from sure—and far from sure that’s the correct solution. In such a situation there is no substantive obligation to obey anyone (and certainly not the majority), because we have thoroughly disintegrated and might makes right. We have shifted from a discourse of justice, justification, and ethics to a discourse of raw power.

From the game of chicken to the prisoner’s dilemma

As I wrote at the beginning, this description clarifies the situation and what caused it, but does not necessarily offer a solution. If I continue with game-theory thinking, perhaps the conclusion can still be phrased in a way that hints at a solution: to prevent disintegration we must move from chicken to the prisoner’s dilemma. In the prisoner’s dilemma (see column 122), the situation is such that if each side chooses the strategy optimal for itself (maximizing its own payoff), then both will necessarily be worse off than if they decide to cooperate. A coalition strategy yields the maximal payoff for each of the two players. Note that this is a utilitarian explanation, not a moral one. Rational players should choose this strategy not because they’re righteous, but because it maximizes each side’s benefit.

There are differences between the two games (e.g., the price’s intensity), but if I try to translate this insight back into our current chicken setup, the meaning is that both sides must agree to cancel the competition and flip a coin—or split the prize, etc. We need to reach an agreed compromise; otherwise there’s a good chance that not only will no one win, but both sides (and all of us) will crash.

More than once I’ve mocked naïve proposals to resolve our conflict with the Palestinians—statements like: it’s so simple, both sides should behave logically, give up maximalist aspirations, and compromise—and then everything will be fine. That’s a lovely proposal, but it takes two to tango. If both sides agree on a coalition it works; if one side chooses to concede without securing prior agreement from the other, it will crash. Moreover, the very readiness to concede has a cost (the other side gains confidence in the possibility of victory and in our weakness; it understands obstinacy and violence pay). Beyond that, in that conflict the proposal is naïve because there is no trust and shared fate enabling the sides to form a coalition for their mutual benefit. By contrast, among us in Israel, between the two warring camps, I think the situation is still reversible; there is still some chance to form a coalition (i.e., reach an agreed compromise). If we have already become outright enemies and our situation resembles the Palestinians, then we are already shattered and the debate is pointless. I don’t think that is the case—but we must stop at all costs the process leading us there. It’s important to understand this is a utilitarian proposal, not only an ethical one.

In the appendix I’ll touch, from a slightly different angle, on ethics vs. utility—or peace vs. truth—in the current debate.

Appendix: On peace and truth

To be honest, our politics has long ceased to be a stage for debate; it’s a venue for power struggles. But in times where there is no discourse, the power struggle is, in a sense, the form of political and social discourse—and in fact it’s even legitimate. Power struggles in the streets and press, capital flight and the use of economic power to protest and influence—these are perfectly legitimate. It’s a form of demonstration (how is it different from blocking roads, withholding services, etc.?). There’s no apparent reason why someone who disagrees with the government’s conduct should continue to funnel his money to fund it. Moreover, in the absence of substantive discourse, the struggle is the least bad substitute. One could say this is how we are “talking” to each other these days. I already noted that at the margins of these power struggles—and undoubtedly thanks to them—substantive dialogue is beginning these days as well.

In recent days a new discourse has begun within the right-of-center camp (mainly around Yoaz Hendel): that although the reform is important and positive, one must still compromise because we must not allow a schism between two halves of the public. The fear of the crash I described is the background here. This line coalesced and found sharp expression last Saturday night at a demonstration Hendel organized in Liberty Bell Park. Thus, for example, Rabbi Medan said there that he has been dreaming of this reform for thirty years—but feels obliged to concede and compromise so as not to create a rift in the nation and not to lose our state. Yoram Cohen, the former head of the Shabak, by contrast, spoke at the demonstration about the reform’s flaws and dangers—and received angry reactions from the crowd. It was clear most were there to secure peace, not to criticize the reform. After the demonstration I wrote to a close friend (a very active leftist) that it actually highlighted for me the depth of the divide between the camps. The right almost entirely supports the reform (even though it has distinctly “left” features), and even the moderate right does not share the “left’s” fears and would very much like to see the reform implemented in full—except that the moderates prefer to give it up for the sake of peace.

Thus, the dominant discourse in the moderate right—at the demonstration and more broadly—is about the need for compromise for the sake of peace, not about the reform’s flaws and its being too extreme. At that demonstration I felt great frustration, because this reform is, in my eyes, very problematic on its own terms. I came to demand tempering the reform (and this government in general) because it is bad in my view—not because I must take into account the left, or preserve the nation’s unity, and other leftish slogans so beloved by the religious-Zionist crowd. These are arguments from substance (truth, or utility) vs. arguments from peace (ethics). But on second thought, and in light of all I’ve described here, it’s hard to dismiss the arguments about preventing schism and the importance of peace. We may be headed for a head-on collision that will break us. Therefore, a reasonable compromise is, in my view, first anchored in substantive arguments (the proposed reform is extreme and bad). But even someone who fully agrees with it should temper it—because he too must consider those who disagree and fear its consequences. As noted, the consequences will be bad for both sides; cooperation is not only an ethical imperative but also maximizes each side’s benefit and their joint benefit.

There are very true claims that the left did not tend to consider the right when it held power—and suddenly now, from a position of weakness, it demands consideration and dialogue. There weren’t too many opportunities to behave thus (the right has held power for many years), but it’s worth recalling Ehud Barak’s government, the Disengagement, Oslo, and other decisions adopted coercively and non-transparently—using the bulldozer of rules and powers the law provides, with no dialogue and no consideration of other views. Not to mention quite a few decisions by the Supreme Court, legal advisors, the prosecution, etc., adopted without authority and coercively. The dramatic governmental and judicial revolutions they conducted, as Daniel Friedmann wrote in his survey, were carried out as judicial legislation—that is, legislation with no debate, no bill text, no elections, no social or public consent—and at times in direct contradiction to the legislator’s words. There was far less dialogue there than in today’s Knesset. Somehow, now that the sword is over their heads, all these “righteous ones” remember how necessary dialogue is when pushing legal revolutions and drastic steps. No wonder frustration on the right is great and resentment strong toward this demand. But as I said, if we continue the chicken game we will crash. Therefore, we must rise above these frustrations—for justice and truth aren’t worth a crash. It’s frustrating and unfair, but we really have no choice. As the saying goes: on a (single-lane) road—don’t be right, be smart.

[1] Mainly in academia. See, for example, the aforementioned position paper by Netta Barak-Corren here, which contains a systematic and balanced analysis of the problems, sets out the theoretical underpinnings, and even proposes more balanced solutions. Below I’ll also refer to Daniel Friedmann’s position paper, broadly sympathetic to the reform but recommending tweaks to details. Incidentally, in recent days I read that Barak-Corren and another group of relatively conservative jurists from several academic institutions (mainly Bar-Ilan and the Hebrew University) are in dialogue with Yariv Levin on a more balanced, sensible model. After reading her paper I also wrote her a few of my comments; it seemed we had near-complete agreement, but because she is still revising she asked that the comments not be published for now.

[2] The tyranny of the majority and the tyranny of the state are not exactly the same. Tyranny of the majority is when law and the executive act according to the majority’s values and for its benefit against some minority. Tyranny of the state is not necessarily tied to values and laws but also to the treatment an individual citizen receives from the authorities. There are various critiques of the Court that it focuses on one more than the other, or vice versa.

[3] This is strengthened even more if we realize that the majority and minority differ from decision to decision. In every decision taken in the state (as in a city or community), opinions divide among different people. So in decision A there’s a certain majority against a certain minority, while in decision B there’s a majority of other people against a minority of other people. Clearly, without the entire public’s consent to this whole “game,” there is no one public—and the majority has no mandate to decide for the minority.

[4] Consider how hard it is to change gun laws in the U.S., despite their terrible consequences. They are anchored in the Constitution, and as such the process to amend them requires thresholds that cannot be met. Now one can see there is a certain institutional logic to this “madness.”

[5] In his book of that name, published by the (conservative, of course) Shalem Press. Note that this distinction characterizes conservative thought—in contrast to our reality, where the conservative camp focuses on rules and theory and ignores practice. See more on this below.

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  1. ” What happens if the public wants democracy but the government doesn't and acts against the will of its representatives? (I've already mentioned that this is exactly the situation today, despite the empty slogans about the public's will as expressed in the elections.)”

    Where did you mention this? I'd be happy to read and educate

    “Gadi Taub and his fellow reform supporters repeatedly claim…If people want democracy, it will be, regardless of the set of rules.”

    I listen to Taub a lot, I don't know who else you're talking about, but I haven't heard Taub say that if people want democracy, it will be regardless of the set of rules. Your entire argument below is based on this claim, and it's ridiculous to me. They want to change the rules because they think that democracy will be strengthened this way, not weakened – And they argue against the left that democracy remains only because the people want it to remain and not against their will (so if the left's definition of democracy is the only correct one anyway, it cannot be imposed on the right, which is the majority).

    “This is precisely the reason why the norm, strange on its face, was accepted, that the opinion of a legal advisor to a ministry or government authority is binding.. ”

    It's a nice idea, but only if the legal advisor is elected by the public, otherwise it makes no sense for him to overturn the decisions of elected officials.

    “For the same reason, the common argument among supporters of reform that it is no less important to limit the power of the judiciary than the power of the executive branch is incorrect.”

    I don't know if it's no less important, but it's certainly important to limit the power of the judiciary somehow, and right now it has no limitations. Personally, I think the reform is a positive step because it limits, at least to some extent, the only authority that currently has no checks and balances.

    “For example, in the referendums being held these days, a clear majority is in favor of a compromise on the reform, even among right-wing voters alone. The government doesn't really consider this”

    This is incredibly wrong, the government is constantly aiming for a compromise and is ready to talk – but within the appropriate frameworks. You don't have to stop a legislative process to reach a compromise in the proposed law.

    “There is no legal obligation to establish a mikveh, but the decision not to establish one seemed unreasonable to the (secular) judge. ”

    As someone who lives in Kfar Vradim and believes in the Torah, here too they built a mikveh thanks to a court order against the council's wishes – I think it's a shame that the court even intervened. If the council is not interested, there is no need to force such a thing on them. The example with the garbage is a slightly more “reasonable” case, so to speak.

    “Although theoretically we also have a legislative and supervisory authority, the Knesset, in practice it cannot do anything in such situations, since it is under the complete control of the government. ”

    I don't understand what you and others are relying on when you say that the Knesset is under the control of the government. The Knesset can dissolve the government…

    ” We are left with only the court. But if he does not have the authority defined in law to invalidate laws or government decisions, we remain under unlimited governmental tyranny”

    The reform, of course, includes the authority defined in law to invalidate laws (and does not concern invalidating government decisions, as far as I remember).

    “If the government enacts a basic law (!) that is clearly personal that allows a corrupt minister who has been convicted several times of economic offenses to be the Minister of Finance, who is responsible for the state's finances and does not open his mouth and whine, the court finds itself forced to stand in the breach.”

    This is misleading demagogy, the government began the legislative process only after Deri was disqualified. Since Deri is legally barred from serving as a minister anyway, there is no reason for the court to disqualify him. The court decided to find an excuse for why he is not allowed to. I say this as someone who doesn't want Deri as a minister and certainly not as finance minister, but he has hundreds of thousands of supporters who voted and wanted him as one.

    “In the absence of integrity, the law has no validity, and therefore the law is no longer an agreed framework for discussion.”

    Here you are wrong in my opinion, the law has validity as long as the people can replace the legislator. A law that the people don't like will be rewarded in the next elections and replaced if necessary. The integrity of the legislator is not as essential as the integrity of the court as long as the court is not elected by the people directly or indirectly.

    “He used these tools even in situations where governments acted with a reasonable level of integrity”

    Who determined that the level of integrity of the government was reasonable? After all, the court ruled that it was unreasonable…Look at the paradox you chose for yourself in this formulation.

    “As I mentioned, there is a solid majority in the public against the extreme formulations of the reform, but the government is acting against the public, and even against its voters, claiming that it was legally elected.”

    Where did you mention that and what do you base it on?

    “Or any other riot by this coalition of horror”

    A coalition of horror in an article that pretends not to take a position…?

    Ultimately, if the left wants to compromise, then we can reach broad agreements, but if not, it will be forced to eat the stew it cooked itself. It's impossible for the right to fold here because then there really is no point in elections at all. This government is carrying out the will of its voters even if you think it has gone too far.

    1. I hope you can look at the issues in a straightforward and non-biased way, otherwise the discussion is unnecessary.
      1. I mentioned this above here in the column, when you spoke about the polls that show that most Likud voters also oppose the pace and scope of the reform. Certainly the majority of the general public in Israel. Therefore, relying on the will of the majority in elections is a poor excuse.
      2. I heard him say this yesterday. Democracy will not be strengthened this way, but majority rule. I explained that this is their mistake: majority rule in itself is not democracy.
      3. There is logic that the advisor will overturn decisions. The question of who he is and how he was elected is a good question that I did not address. I will just mention what I wrote in column 534 about the reform, that the combination of positions of trust with the guidance that the Supreme Court does not require is absurd and unnecessary.
      4. There are certainly limitations on the judiciary, and beyond that, there is no doubt that it limits itself very strongly. You just have to look at the facts and not at the propaganda.
      5. See 1. I already explained in the column that the dialogue cannot be conducted with the opposition. Therefore, the readiness for dialogue cannot be just a statement.
      6. These examples were meant to sharpen the point. If you think the passage about the mikveh is wrong, it is irrelevant.
      7. The argument about the independence of the Knesset is a baseless naivety. Many have already argued this. When there is coalition discipline and all appointments of MKs to positions (both in the Knesset itself, as in committees) come from the government and its head is completely dependent. The Knesset can of course dissolve the government, which is like saying that the government can resign because it is not omnipotent.
      8. We have a debate about the validity of the law without integrity. You say that as long as the people can replace the legislator, it has authority. But this is the mistake I am talking about. You assume that majority rule is a democracy, and therefore the ability of the majority to replace the government is a sufficient guarantee for the validity of the law. I argued that this is not true. A logical error.
      9. The level of integrity is not determined by anyone. It is a fact. The very fact that you define integrity through the rules belies the whole point. My argument is that integrity is beyond the rules. It is like saying that civil disobedience is justified only when the government or the Knesset determines that it is justified. Otherwise, who would determine that civil disobedience is justified?! A logical error.
      10. The article completely takes a position. It seems that you did not understand what I wrote. This is a coalition of horror, and this is regardless of the reform and my opinion on it. This has already been explained in other columns.
      11. The left will not eat the stew it cooked (and this is indeed true, as I wrote). We will all eat it. The country is in danger of complete disintegration, and already today there are irreversible processes economically and socially. Anyone who doesn't see this is blind or drugged.

      1. “Most Likud voters also oppose the pace and scope of the reform”

        But he still wants reform, so your point is completely wrong. The reform was demanded by the voters of this government and it is being implemented, if it is being implemented differently than some voters want, it is only because there is no way to get a stamp on all voters. There are Likud voters who want stronger reform, there are Smotrich voters’ who want stronger reform, and so on.

        “There are definitely limitations on the judiciary”

        What are the limitations, please tell me about one.

        “The argument about the independence of the Knesset”

        I did not claim that the Knesset is independent, I only claimed that control is mutual. The government and the Knesset control each other, one does not have priority over the other. Coalition discipline only works to a certain extent, like everything else in a coalition.

        “The level of integrity is not determined by anyone. It is a fact.”

        Point me to this fact or something that proves it because I do not find integrity to be a factual matter. I understand that this is beyond the rules, but you are speaking vaguely in this context, if it is vague then it is subject to interpretation, but there is no doubt that I may have missed something.

        1. It seems to me that there is no point in continuing. You are just insisting. So here are my comments, and I will end with this.

          I also want reform. So what? Likud is acting against the opinion of its voters who want dialogue and a slowdown. It is certainly possible to score with their opinion. Very easily.

          The limitations on the judiciary are the law and the limitations it has imposed on itself. Much more limitations than on the government, which expresses the law for itself. For example, the judiciary does not use the reason for reasonableness to annul laws, but only administrative decisions.

          The Knesset is subordinate to the government. For example, the Prime Minister determines all the filling of positions in the Knesset as well. Of course, formally the Prime Minister and members of the government are members of the Knesset, so you can play with words as much as you like.

          That's it. I'm done.

          1. Thank you for the detailed answers and good luck to all of us during this difficult time.

            1. Bibi wants to escape from prison and is therefore trying to dismantle the State of Israel.
              The entire coup d'état is a tool to free him from justice.
              I think that nothing should be compromised with him
              Fraud, bribery and breach of trust are not appropriate for a nation whose role is to be (someday) a light to the nations

              1. And it's so clear. There may be those who truly support reform (Levin, Rotman), but clearly Bibi only wants one thing.

          2. I am convinced that Likud voters support reform. This is the pollsters' way of asking the questions so that the poll will achieve the desired result (I also read this in Nadav Shnerb). Someone commissioned this poll. They don't work for free. There is no sense in electing a government that cannot make any significant decision because the High Court will scuttle it.

            It is possible that some of the polled who claimed to be opposed to reform are also lying about who they voted for in order to engineer consciousness (this is what Likud voters did to the television sample of the 2019 elections, to the point that Mina Tzemach, I think, announced that she would resign). In the meantime, I see that the leftists have no restraints and are threatening to burn down the club. That's small money compared to this.

            Besides, since when has the will of the voters interested the left? I remember Sharon's referendum among Likud workers (which probably reflected the will of Likud voters well). He whistled at him to the sound of the left's applause for leadership and blah blah blah.

            And in general, I don't see how one can surrender to the bullying and violence of these protesters who have essentially revealed that they are not willing to trust a government that was elected in fair elections. If the right was fair and respected the rulings of the High Court of Justice (even though it clearly has no confidence in it) and was willing to wait for the ballot box to change the situation, then the left is allowed to not trust it? What does it matter to surrender here at all? The three components of: 1. The composition of the committee for selecting judges (where the judges have nothing to look for at all) 2. A ruling of overriding majority of 61, and – 3. The cancellation of the status of legal advisors that was taken by force by the High Court of Justice are essential. It's a shame that you're stuck in Yeruham with a corrupt mayor. You should have just left if the usual methods didn't work (and without threats and shouting. Quietly). You shouldn't be in the company of people who elect someone like that.

            What's happening here is simply too much distrust in elected officials. Which is simply distrust in the entire public. Anyone who doesn't believe will leave and without threats and intimidation. It's great that you think this is a horrible coalition (but you like the honest, hardworking, efficient Arabs who collect taxes and fill the ranks of the IDF. Oh well). Does it seem logical to you to control it with force and threats? You should go somewhere else (Canada would be good for you) if you really think that way. And in any case, if this is the situation that the left doesn't trust the right and thinks that it is just waiting to harm it, then it turns out that it has been deceiving the right all this time instead of the state, by letting it think that it too has a chance to take part in leading the state. And in fact, it has enslaved it. So what logic is there here for any concession? It also hurts me a lot to see the dollar exchange rate rise, but what option is there here? How can someone tell me stories that we are brothers when these people don't even see us? This is the behavior of foreigners (quite similar to the British Mandate if you think about it. Especially in matters of protecting the settlers. They don't protect them properly but show up when they come to protect themselves on their own)

            Tell me honestly what you think should be done. Is this how you would behave with someone who deceives you and manipulates you with every word they say? As far as I know, there are two ways to deal with opaqueness: either with counter-opacity (i.e. a power struggle) or with ignoring and disengagement - which is what the Haredim chose to do a generation ago. Apparently their leaders already understood then what the communist mentality meant, and this is why they lie with every word they say today when they come into contact with someone from the outside (entering the Haredi public's talkative mode). With opaqueness (manipulations) we can only deal with opaqueness (counter-manipulations) in cases where it is impossible to disengage. They (the Haredim residents of the country) believed that the free are decent people (that's what one of the Gur elders said, I think) and therefore they did cooperate with the Zionists at the time (in the War of Independence, for example). But later it turned out that they did not (shaving the sideburns after the establishment of the state). So it's great that there are already some on the other side who are waking up from the opaqueness, but it doesn't seem to me right now that they represent their public, while on the right everyone is ready to talk and not for compromise but to reach the truth. Will we compromise on half-trust?

            After all, no one is really trying to harm anyone's rights (and no. Forcing children to be exposed to homosexual sexuality at school when their parents are not interested in it is not a right that should be given to homosexuals). They mainly want to prevent the progressive coercion that has existed until now and maintain the status quo in matters of religion. And the only ones whose rights will be violated are the Arabs who do not deserve any rights since they have no obligations and besides ours, they would not give any rights of this kind if we were under their rule (I am talking, of course, about revoking citizenship from the Arab public and removing Israeli sovereignty from their villages) and besides, they are a kind of potential fifth column (as we saw in the riots of 1981), or the "rights of the Palestinians" who are a declared enemy and hostile people who pay their soldiers who kill Jews (and for some reason most of them are somehow always "innocent").

            These are the burning issues that are on the agenda. How can a government make a moral and operational decision (such as establishing a 101-type unit that will carry out retaliatory actions in Arab villages for attacks on us). I can understand those who oppose participating in such actions for moral reasons (and will not force it on them), but such a decision also has a moral justification. I am allowed to think otherwise, that there is a war between collectives here and that there are no innocent people here. And I am allowed to implement this decision. In what constellation of compromise do you see the High Court allowing such a thing in the existing academic and legal atmosphere (even if everyone were from Mount Etzion)?

            1. Is it possible that sometimes, when an existing system has been corrupted and distorted beyond recognition, the best solution is to stop the game and start from a clean slate - a true democratic page of majority rule that can really do what it wants?
              Then, as the majority and the legitimate authority, the majority can establish new rules of the game that it has chosen, through dialogue with the minority and without fear of a player who is too strong not to give in and steal from it (after all, they are thirsty for legitimacy and broad consensus).
              There is more than an indication that at least Rothman wants a constitution that is similar to the US in terms of individual and property rights. When you have a political court, it has no value, their interpretation will be completely opposite (for example, the "property" rights belong to the customer against the business owner, for example, an issue that Rothman dealt with directly)
              It makes sense to me that this is how they established a constitution in new countries/republics, they did not leave the old dictatorial regime and only limited its powers, because they realized that it could not work, they started anew and from this solution they eventually reached a fairly broad agreement even with the old aristocracy

              1. In terms of individual and property rights, maybe. Because for some reason, there is an identification between national religious and US-style capitalism that I'm not sure where it came from.
                In terms of equality between people, less so.

  2. Really, the main problem is the progressivism (lack of truth. lack of integrity. purposeful interpretation of the law) of the legal and academic world. In the current situation, it is only getting worse regardless of the behavior of any government.
    Here I quote Nadav Shnarb from his Facebook page (which I pretty much agree with everything he writes there):

    “Nir Shvalb asked me “Do you support the (legal) reform in its entirety?”. I thought I would take advantage of this question to raise a few points that have been on my mind in recent weeks.
    1. I do not know the details of the reform “in full” and even if I did, I lack the experience and understanding that would allow me to judge its details. Even someone who supports going to a particular war, even one of the politicians who decided to go to war, does not necessarily thereby give his support to the maneuver of Brigade X as part of Operation Y. Like most people who have an opinion on the subject, I can relate mainly to principles.
    2. The main principle: Sovereignty is one, and it must remain in the hands of the people through their elected representatives. An example I have given in several debates: Suppose tomorrow a peace agreement with Iraq is proposed in exchange for burning down all the forests in Israel. The government is interested in the agreement, the High Court invalidates it because it violates the right of the weaker classes to rest or because of carbon dioxide emissions or whatever you want. They try to reach a compromise through various mechanisms and fail. Who has the last word? This institution, the one that has the last word, is called a sovereign.
    In my opinion, anyone who believes that the last word in such a debate should be with 15 people chosen by a committee (in which, with great difficulty, only recently, elected officials have achieved a significant share), people who cannot be fired and who do not have to be accountable to the public, is an uninhibited supporter of dictatorship, and all the diagnoses of gentlemen Hodak and Raz fit him one by one. At the end of the day, after all the checks and balances that are truly worthy and important, such questions cannot be avoided, and if the example I gave is unsuccessful, you can easily invent ten like it yourself. In my opinion, the restoration of a reasonable system of government, after Barak's creeping coup, must ensure this simple point.
    3. The speed of change is indeed a problem. Even important and welcome changes are best made with maximum consent and in stages. Every step in a complex system always has unforeseen consequences, and it is better to let the system deal with retail changes, not wholesale ones.
    In the current circumstances, in which the side opposing the reform is in a frenzied ecstasy, there doesn't seem to be anyone to talk to or anything to talk about, but this is of course my point of view, which may be wrong or biased. If I were a politician, and if I thought there was some kind of partner for the dialogue, I would propose a change in the discourse and over time, but on one basis: immediate restoration of the constitutional situation in the State of Israel to 1992 or, the devil knows when – to the period before the start of Barak's coup, including the (temporary) cancellation of the Basic Laws or their basic status. You don't negotiate with someone who stole from you while the money is still in his pocket. Israel 1992 is something we all know, anyone who thinks that during this period there was a dictatorship or an authoritarian state like Putin is delusional, this could be a reasonable starting point.
    4. Another big problem – much more difficult to solve – is the interpretive freedom that the judges have taken for themselves. In legal circles, and in the world of academic law, the insight that judges are entitled to ”purposive interpretation”, that is, to falsely interpret the words of the law according to the social interest as it appears to them, is the first rational one. In this situation, no law, constitution, or constitutional order has any meaning – these are all collections of words that judges will not hesitate to give false meaning to in a way that is not limited by the rules of language or logic, in their eyes this is the supreme fulfillment of the judge's role. What to do I don't know, but we can't ignore the elephant in the room ”

    Really, the main problem is the progressivism (lack of truth. Lack of integrity. Purposeful interpretation) of the legal and academic world

    1. Beyond your obsession with progressivism that has already appeared here, if you are bringing these things up here you probably haven't read the column. I suggest you read it before you respond to it. The entire column is a response to these claims (most of which I agree with).

      1. I read every word carefully. The emphasis is on Section 4 of it. This is the problem with the existence of rules, and therefore there must be no constitution here. No matter what is written in it. They will interpret it according to their agenda. It should be noted that this is a problem of the legal world in general. In short, the argument is that the legal world in general has no integrity in your language. Why do they so sanctify the rules and laws? It is because of emptiness. In other words, as soon as the concepts of justice become relative and there is no objective justice (like objective truth), the only thing that exists in this world is the empty laws and rules. In this world, there is no place for anything but power conflicts (no wonder the left is not willing to listen at all). Judges should be appointed from outside this system (who will study the law of evidence and the law book. But who will judge according to the natural sense of justice. And who will be directly elected by the people for 4 years, like the legislative branch)

        1. This is the well-known and familiar argument, and I partially agree with it. The question of whether or not there will be a constitution and whether it is possible is not important for the discussion. My argument is that there should be rules that regulate the relationship between the authorities, but they are not enough and integrity is needed. By the way, in the absence of such rules, the court will run amok more. Even with a constitution, integrity is needed.
          Therefore, the very fact that you or he opposes the constitution means that you have confidence in the court that it acts according to the constitution and without it it will do nothing.

          1. I have no confidence in the court today (because of the people sitting in it) and I know that it will continue to legislate even without a constitution. If there is a constitution, the situation will simply be even worse (if that is even possible) and will give them even more audacity and momentum. Although you probably agree with what I say (I don't know why partially), I refer you to this post by Nadav Shnerb, which describes it very nicely:

            “Is politicization of the judicial system a bad thing? Like any question of this kind, the answer depends on another question: what are the alternatives.
            Think about the governor of the Bank of Israel. The stability of the currency and the monetary market is important to the government, and on the other hand, politicians always have an incentive to harm this stability and print money without accounting in order to respond to local pressures. In order to achieve the common good, politicians (throughout the Western world) are doing a kind of exercise against themselves. They take a trustworthy person, appoint him as the governor of the bank, pay his salary but voluntarily give up the powers of supervision over him. This method has many advantages: it frees the politician from public pressure (he can complain about the governor who raised the interest rate and wash his hands of it), it sends a message to the world, and to foreign investors, that there are serious people here who will maintain the value of the currency – wonderful.
            Not just central banks. Throughout the world, many such “positions of trust” have been created over the years: judges, academics, artists, the state comptroller – people who receive a salary or a scholarship to fulfill a task, but are given complete or almost complete freedom to choose how they will fulfill this task within a very broad definition of general goals.
            So what will we do if the governor of the Bank of Israel starts playing with interest rates for his personal needs, or for the needs of his friends? What if he informs the government that interest rates in the economy will rise to 20% unless a bridge is built from Safed to Tiberias? When the governor is given the keys, it is assumed that he is a sufficiently loyal, decent person, someone who can be trusted. If such a person is not found, it will be necessary, with all the sorrow and pain and disadvantages that entails, to return the interest rate decisions to the Minister of Finance or the Prime Minister. This will be a major change for the worse compared to the existing situation, but it is still better than entrusting a position of trust to an unfaithful person. This is, in my opinion, the direction our world is heading. The elites of the Western world are ceasing to be loyal. The idea of a public servant who, despite having freedom of action, sticks to the position that was defined for him, is evaporating, is dying out. This is not corruption in the classic sense, of acting for self-interest or taking bribes, but rather the political perversion of the profession and a free interpretation of the ”mission” Professional, interpretation that does not consider the intention of those who created the position and are funding your salary.
            Judges and law schools have set the tone in this process. Since the 1960s, they have been increasingly shirking the role they are paid to do – to judge people according to the language of the law – and something even more basic: the commitment to the rules of language and interpretation in good faith. All the talk about “purposeful interpretation”, “broad definition”, and the like, has become code words that mean: we will do with the words of the law as we please, without considering their plain meaning and without good faith, in order to move society from point A, where it is today, to point B, where we want it to be. The legal systems are transforming themselves into governmental systems that engage in social engineering, and the law faculties are cheering them on, because who and what is a “just a judge”, a loyal person who does the work for whom they are paid?
            Pay attention to one of the central arguments in the debate that is currently taking place: “Israel does not have a constitution”. It turns out that a constitution is needed. Interesting. Why is no one talking about the question of what will be written in this constitution? Today, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are in power, aren’t you afraid? Aren’t you afraid that theological, nationalist, Judeocentric ideas will be included in the constitution, which will bind the State of Israel for generations? Of course not. Lawyers don’t care about the content of the constitution, as long as they are allowed to interpret its words as they please. Politicians have no chance: like a bad chess player playing against a master, the other side will also use their own moves on the way to victory. Jurists need a principle that will allow them to invalidate any government decision based on their interpretation of a document. They don't care at all what is written in it, because they have lost their commitment to interpreting words in good faith. They will interpret the document as they wish.
            The general trend seems very problematic. In time, I fear that the entire concept of positions of trust will disappear from the world. It is sad, because society is much more successful with an independent bank governor, independent judges, and so on, but the level of personal morality required of a person in such a position is becoming increasingly expensive, and the media and the relevant parts of academia are almost scornful of it. At the end of the process – this is a global process, not necessarily Israeli, and I assume that the trend will come to us from outside – there will be no escape from the ears of these crooked elites to the mezuzah of public trust, from the appointment of judges and governors for election or from close political supervision over them. Politicization is bad, tyranny or anarchy – worse than that.”

  3. And in relation to the clashes of the authorities, he actually has a solution:

    “Well, let's talk about the doomsday scenario – the clash of the authorities.
    Broadly speaking, this is a situation in which the government and the Knesset make a decision or law that the High Court (in their opinion, according to the other laws they have enacted) has no authority to dispute, while the High Court makes the opposite decision. Now comes the real question: who will those who have the power of violent coercion, that is, the commanders of the army and the police, obey?
    I think there is nothing to fear from such a moment. On the contrary – we should strive for it, and if and when it comes, and the commanders of the security forces obey the High Court, we should immediately surrender to them. No civil war is needed and is not necessary.
    Why? Because the result will be fatal for them. Such a situation will expose the situation for what it is: it will be clear to everyone that the State of Israel is a military dictatorship run by an unelected elite, and that the political game is a facade behind which the real rulers, the jurists, are hidden. This will shift public responsibility to them - from now on, any politician, in any situation, rightly or wrongly, will blame the High Court of Justice for any failure, and the public will begin to ask them, not the government, for answers. People will understand that the central political question in Israel is not the majority in the Knesset but the composition of the High Court of Justice judges, and all political antics will be directed there from now on. I find it hard to believe that the jurists will be able to withstand the consequences of such an exposure for a long time; it is possible that even they will realize this at the moment of truth and withdraw.
    The trick in Barak's constitutional coup was to give Israeli citizens the illusion that they live in a country where decisions are made by majority vote according to certain rules, when in reality the real powers of government are being trampled on and given to an unelected system of jurists. The basic argument was that the High Court does not rule, it only decides on contradictions between various laws passed by the Knesset, and "if they don't want to, they will change the law." Well, it's time to find out what happens when they really don't want to and do change the law. In the worst case, the factual situation will simply be exposed for all to see, much better than the previous situation. We have nothing to lose here. Let the leftists win. Pyrrhus, King of Epirus, will be happy to rent them a few extra elephants. I was also thinking something along those lines. I thought there wouldn't be a civil war because the rightists don't have the strength to fight every crazy person. They prefer to save their forces for the war against the Arabs rather than for a war over an empty rule over a crazy group that doesn't want it.

    1. Good luck to all of us. If there are many such lunatics among the reform supporters (and it seems there are), then our situation is truly dire and hopeless.

      1. Maybe it's not clear from the response, but this is Nadav Schnerb's response from his website again. If he's crazy in your eyes, then who isn't?

        1. Wonderful text. I really enjoyed reading it. I learned a lot. But I have a few comments.
          First, it is not true to say that the rules for changing a constitution can be changed by a simple majority. This was the core of the discussion in the Eastern High Court. The rules for change can be armored like the rest of the constitution is armored. You might find interest in what Mishael Cheshin mentioned there in connection with the religious problem of self-limitation: creating a stone that God cannot lift.

          Second, you talk at the beginning about the opposition's cognition.. They are not smart enough to delve into it.. The truth is that this is not a problem of wisdom and depth, but a problem of motivation. Apparently Yair Lapid is not really afraid of a civil war in which he will be taken to a dungeon, and therefore his motivations are still at the highest level of Maslow's pyramid. That is, to be prime minister. He wants Bibi to fail, for the government to fall, for there to be chaos.

          Third, I detest reform to the extreme, but I would be fine with accepting the Shnerb compromise and returning to an interim period of 1992 without the possibility of repealing laws for human rights. What scares me is the appointment of judges that Miri Regev, Deri and Goldknopf like, and like the appointment of Yossi Shelly as head of the Central Bureau of Investigation. This would be a takeover of the Israeli judicial system by the Haredim and the Likud Center. I would be fine with a judicial system whose judges are all graduates of the Haredi Yeshiva, but not with Haredi judges, judges who are students of Rabbi Tal (like Simcha Rothman), or judges who were recommended by the Likud Center.

          1. I didn't understand the argument. After all, I explained that even the armor laws can be changed. Any legal situation can be changed by a 2-to-1 majority, and there is no formal way to stop it except for High Court activism (which is doubtful it will work. The rabbit game).

            I get the impression that they are not big lairs, and certainly not in the league of their opponents. But that's not the main thing. That's why they have consultants, who are available to them in the thousands (all those who oppose the reform, and are also working on it). The main problem is that they don't do their homework and they are not serious. There is no one to talk to in the opposition. All they know is to dance on the tables and shout "Hamas."

            I feel the same way as you. The problem is that they are part of the public, and therefore their demand to be involved in the appointment of judges cannot be rejected out of hand. The demand to determine everything there - certainly is.

  4. Interesting column.
    Comment regarding “democratic culture” I completely agree that it is extremely essential, but I am much less optimistic about the existence of such a culture here.
    There are entire populations here that I believe clearly lack democratic culture and values (including Haredim, Messianic Jews, etc.), and even so, we must not forget that there is a democratic deficit here in everything related to religion-state relations and the Chief Rabbinate.
    Therefore, I am less optimistic about our democratic future in everything related to democratic culture.

  5. My opinion on the “reform”:
    A. It is impossible for such a reform to be carried out by a person whose trial is currently underway, a person who has something to gain from the reform (for example, he controls the election of the Supreme Court president, for example, he controls the promotion of judges in his case(!)).
    B. It seems that for our elected officials, the reform is so that they can pass personal laws that will benefit themselves, the Deri and Smotrich laws, etc. It is difficult to assume that they will not take advantage of the reform, after it is implemented, to appoint more and more close associates to unsuitable positions (and there are examples).
    C. Continuing with B, there is a huge danger (really!), not that Israel will become a dictatorship (which is less likely in my opinion right now, but possible, certainly when I hear about the democratic consciousness of some of the coalition), but that Israel will become a corrupt country, where mediocre people are responsible for running the country, and where everyone knows who to pay and who to flatter in order to advance. A country where excellence no longer means anything but only proximity to power.
    D. Hence, there will be a serious problem for manufacturing companies to flourish here, and this is definitely a danger to the economy.
    E. More generally, this coalition, by and large, does not represent the manufacturing sector in Israel at all, and is trying to impose on it a reform that it has not heard of (although there was talk of such a reform, it was never mainstream, and certainly was not the main thing in any election campaign; most of them did not think that there was even a problem with the legal system), and that it instinctively understands the dangers of it (as I described earlier). The government is essentially declaring war on the country's productive sector, it's crazy. It's clear that people are considering leaving and protecting their money.
    F. The coalition is run in an incredibly amateurish manner (they approve a budget pretending, for example, they declare in the Finance Committee that there is no problem with the economy) and therefore it is no wonder that they did not see the danger of proposing such a sweeping reform and passing it at record speed. Now all the damage that has been caused and will be caused is their shortsightedness, which is mixed with stupidity, arrogance and evil (the arrogance and evil were combined quite nicely in Rothman's interview in “Haaretz”, although not the stupidity that is represented by other members of the coalition in a fairly respectable manner).
    G. The talk about the “words” is completely unnecessary. They have already passed the first part on first reading and will soon pass the rest. If they were ready for a compromise in advance, why did they pass the law as it is? Why not pass a more reasonable law that would also prevent all this madness? What is the pressure to pass it so quickly?
    H. If they really wanted changes, they could have started discussions and said that after a year they would start legislation – That would have been some kind of deadline for discussions that could have been very effective and during that time the public would have gotten used to/understood the need (to the extent that it exists) for legislation.
    I. From all the discussions I had with supporters of the reform, I understood that the underlying motive for all of this is revenge. Revenge for Oslo and the disengagement, and for the injustice done to the Jews of Spain. Revenge is no way to run a country of 9 million people.

    1. Do you still hold to the position you wrote in your column regarding the recent elections, that there are no differences between the various parties because they all promote the same policies (in light of the current legislative effort, of course)?

      1. An interesting question that really got me thinking. I think I've written more than once that there will be differences in the Israeli domestic sphere, relations between religion and state, Haredim, women, and so on. What I wrote is that there will be no differences in the areas of security and policy (settlements and construction), and I think I also wrote about the economy (because socialism will end when the people who preach it take on governmental responsibility and realize that it's not really possible). And these are the issues that interest voters.
        What's happening today is that there really are no differences. The freeze on settlements has already been announced (Bibi's promise to the Americans), security hasn't really improved (the understatement of the year), etc. It's true that differences have arisen in these internal spheres (which were certainly expected, although not to this extent), law, relations between religion and state, and so on, but because they decided to go about it with unexpected force (in my opinion), it has critical implications for the economy and security. In my opinion, there is a tangible danger today to the existence of the state. The chance that we will fall apart economically, militarily, and socially is no longer zero.

        1. Doesn't the Rabbi think there are large economic gaps between the options?
          Let's say Avigdor Lieberman was an outstanding finance minister and promoted quite a few free market steps.
          I agree that no one here will dismantle socialism tomorrow morning, but I think there are enough economic gaps, let's say, between the government of change and the current government of horrors. Among other things, the issue of the Haredi parasite is also clearly economic.

          1. Bibi was also a very good finance minister in his time. This is a difference between personalities, not between parties and platforms. Regarding the economic effects of the attitude towards the ultra-Orthodox, it is clear that it exists.

        2. In my opinion, the changes in the legal system and in the areas of religion and state were a central component of the last election campaign. Regarding security, you are right that there has been no major change so far, although Ben Gvir's voters are apparently satisfied with the worsening conditions of security prisoners and the demolition of houses in East Jerusalem. The existence of a promise to freeze construction is controversial, I am not clear why you are simply taking a one-sided version. Ultimately, it seems that the claim that voting for the R”M will better advance the interests of the Israeli voter seems horribly wrong (what influence has the R”M had in the current Knesset so far?) in hindsight (and before it, to be honest).

        3. Since you specifically asked in the comments about the legal field and judicial activism and you explicitly wrote that there would be no difference. Here: https://mikyab.net/posts/78280

          This is in the comment thread that starts with Avi's response at 20:39
          Or in the thread that starts with Emmanuel's response at 15:47
          Or in the thread that starts with Aviv's response at 15:50

  6. The idea of a liberal-democratic government is that it creates a structure in which even the party that lost the election feels safe and protected.
    Once a government is formed that says that the majority it has received allows it to abuse the minority (to trample/run over in the golden language of Dodi Amsalem), then the minority does not accept the government as representing it and therefore, from its perspective, it has no legitimacy to demand that it serve in the army or pay taxes.

    These are theses that are very common among the Arab and ultra-Orthodox minorities in Israel and we really do not see them contributing particularly to the state.

    A minority in a government of majority tyranny has several ways to cope:
    The first - a civil war that will lead to destruction and ruin.

    The second - moving towards separate states in the style of Sudan, and South Sudan (or in our case, intelligence and elite intelligence). In this case, there will be a rich and successful country and a poor and corrupt neighbor next door (A.A. Modi'in and Modi'in Illit)

    The third - despair and abandonment of the minority, like the Christians in Lebanon who abandoned their prosperous country and now the Shiite majority controls the country and enjoys inflation of hundreds of percent and economic collapse.

    What all the options have in common is that the majority wins the elections, tramples the minority and reaches economic ruin (how do you say Pyrrhic victory in Yiddish?)

    In my humble opinion, the only realistic option is to continue to maintain a democratic-liberal regime in which both sides can continue to live without feeling that they are on the way to the Holocaust.

  7. What you say would be true if the court had not assumed the role of legislator and founder of the constitution. I will illustrate this with 4 examples:

    A legislative court:
    1) A court assumed the authority to invalidate laws. With your permission, I will not give an example here, since I assume that we can agree on this.
    2) The court assumed the authority to enact laws. For example, the court created out of thin air (= legislated) a law stating that the executive branch is obligated to protect the settlements in the Gaza Envelope. This is a question of policy that arises from a situation in which the court saw that the executive branch was not implementing a certain issue, and decided to force it to do so even though there is no law instructing it to do so. (This is also a kind of counterargument about the court's ability to only respond to the actions of the executive branch and not to initiate measures itself – I will detail the rest of the counterargument later).

    A court that establishes a constitution:
    1) The court took upon itself the authority to invalidate basic laws. I'm not talking about the crazy Deri law, but about the petition against the Basic Law: Nationhood. True, the court did not invalidate this Basic Law, but it explicitly said that it reserved the authority to do so if it felt like it.
    2) The court took upon itself the authority to establish a constitution. As an example, I'll just give the following sentence: – Where in the Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty is the word “equality?”

    It can therefore be seen that the court took upon itself all the functions of the legislative/constituent authority, in complete contradiction to their claim.

    Another small statement to conclude – Regarding your claim that it is very difficult to petition against a government authority because it requires money and resources, etc. You are confusing (perhaps out of lack of knowledge) between administrative law and constitutional law. No one demands that the court assume the authority given to it in administrative law to judge government authorities (even though all the rules of administrative law are based on case law and not in its own law, with one exception).
    In constitutional law, that is, petitions against the laws of the state and/or its basic laws, despite the fact that it is difficult and even impossible to do so, one can see how petitions are nevertheless filed with the court on a large part of the materials that the Knesset legislates. In other words, difficult, but not impossible and unattainable as you describe it.

    1. I don't know who you responded to. If it's me, these examples don't mean much. I don't disagree that the High Court went wild. I wrote this and quoted the words of Daniel Friedman, who wrote it better than me. The question I raised in the column is what should be done with this. Not what should be done now.

      1. As for your comment, he is definitely being asked not to use reasonableness. Beyond that, I argue the exact opposite: Even if you leave this authority in the hands of the courts, you have not solved the problem. The flow of decisions made by the executive branch cannot be effectively controlled by the courts. We need a binding legal counsel or a similar mechanism.
        And at the end of your remarks, you made the same inversion that you (unjustly) claimed I do. I was not talking about petitions against legislation, but against administrative decisions. There are thousands of such and very few of them are challenged in court.

  8. I am attaching here a link to an interview with Rothman, which is not entirely clear to me whether his tortuous answers are in good faith and the result of internal conviction and anger of many years. Or is he just throwing it at us.

    https://www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/2023-02-23/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/00000186-7a00-dfeb-a7e7-7f470fac0000

    1. A few points:
      1. Of course, the legitimacy of the majority's decision depends on the minority's agreement not to break the rules, but the minority cannot veto any significant move made by the majority. If it does, there will be no escape from secession. The current reform is certainly not an overrun of the minority, which justifies such behavior on the part of the opponents.
      2. Regarding your claim that citizens oppose the reform and therefore it is illegitimate - the picture is more complex and it is a bit surprising that you are building an entire theory on one poll that you cited in the previous column. In this summary of the polls by Globes (https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001437161) the situation seems to be more complex. In any case, it is clear that polls have no legal validity, especially when they are inconclusive, that is what elections are for.
      3. The lack of integrity does not start with the political system. The court began to intervene in political matters long ago, long before any member of the Knesset thought of limiting its power. The following quote was uttered by the Deputy President of the Supreme Court in 2007: “The Supreme Court is my house. Whoever raises a hand against my house, I will cut off his hand”.
      4. As long as there is no constitution that explicitly defines which law is constitutional and which is not, it is inappropriate to allow a small, unelected group to invalidate laws, especially when the “family” elects itself. An example of this can be seen in the expansion of the Supreme Court's Basic Law on Human Dignity in such a way that equality is also included in it. It does not seem likely that there will be agreement on a constitution anytime soon. It should be remembered that despite the override clause, invalidating a law is an event that commands public attention, so to the extent that the public gains trust in the court, it will attribute importance to it and the Knesset will have difficulty overcoming it.
      5. It is not correct to compare spending money that constitutes an economic harm to the country, to blocking roads that is intended only to generate resonance and influence public opinion, when its impact on the economy is small.

      1. Who talked about vetoing every decision? When there are essential things that are in the minority's mind, this has an important significance that should not be ignored.
        Not just one poll. There were several of them. One thing comes out in a way that leaves no doubt: the entire public is certainly a majority against these moves (at least in favor of compromise and slowing down the pace). There is nothing complicated here for those who do not deny the facts.
        Cheshin's quote is already raising dust, and it really is not that old. But are you sure you read what I said? I think not. You are repeating what I wrote, and for some reason the tone is one of controversy or question.
        The family has long stopped electing itself. Get out of this nonsense and propaganda. The current situation in the selection of judges (after Sa'ar and Shaked) is very good and I personally do not see a need to correct it. As for the question of who and how will compose the Constitutional Court, I wrote explicitly that I am not dealing with it. I am discussing the question of whether there should be such a court, which by definition is not political and not elected and yet criticizes the decisions of the elected echelon (although a government is not really elected either).
        It is definitely not comparable. Blocking roads is much worse in principle. Spending my own money is my full right, even if I do it to demonstrate or exert force. Blocking roads is a violation of the rights of others, and therefore much worse.

        1. Here is Nadav Shnerb's additional post on such surveys:

          “Here is an interesting phenomenon that I was exposed to through a discussion, on a slightly different topic, on Andrew Gelman's blog.
          There is something that people call “public trust in the media”, and there are research institutes that try to measure this trust, both at the individual country level and in a comparative manner, in many countries around the world. One of these institutes is affiliated with Reuters, the other is called “Edelman's Trust Barometer”. What these institutes do is conduct public opinion surveys in which the public is asked about their attitudes toward the media.
          It turns out, to most people's surprise, that there is no connection between the results reached by the two institutes. There is no significant correlation either at the level of the result (what percentage does the A&I Institute give to public trust in Chile, say, compared to the B&I Institute) or at the level of trends (how much public trust in Chile has decreased or increased over a given period of time).
          What is going on here? I assume that two such respected institutes use standard survey methods. Moreover, it is hard to imagine that they have any political interest, what does an American researcher care about how popular the media is in Indonesia or Turkey? Well, how come there are such differences, when there is essentially no connection between the results?
          The person who raised the point suggested that the difference stems from the wording of the question. One institute asked “Is the media doing the right thing?” while another asked people “Do they believe most of the news most of the time?” Interesting. But be that as it may, you see here how unreliable and inconsistent these types of public opinion polls are, even when they are conducted by professionals who have no vested interest.
          Compare this to the election results: Here in Israel we have had five election campaigns within a four-year period, and the results have hardly changed. There was more or less zero transfer of votes between blocs, and apart from the story with Bennett who decided (according to him – with his eyes open) to publicly spit on his base, even the parties received more or less the same number of votes. The results changed from election to election only thanks to the “betrayals” of politicians in their bloc, or because of tiny fluctuations that were exacerbated by the high threshold. After all the propaganda, the provocations, the wall-guarding, the corona – nothing moved. People vote for things that seem important to them, and the events, or the upheavals of the political debate, did not seem important enough to them.
          Conclusion: When you are told about the “loss of public trust (in the High Court, the Knesset, the coach of the Israeli national team)” or about the “positions of Likud/leftist voters” – take the story with a huge grain of salt. It is assumed that the way the question is phrased in such surveys dramatically affects the result, and when it comes to interested parties – it is a waste of time. Ignore. Simply ignore.”

        2. It seems you didn't read all the way through. I wrote there that it is unlikely to see the reform as a move that justifies breaking tools (it doesn't harm a specific public, if a left-wing government comes to power it will be able to respond to it just as much).
          If you look at the link I included, there are two polls that directly conflict with your claim and another that slightly undermines it. As is known, poll results can be affected by several things, such as the wording of the question, so it is clear that the only legal validator is the elections.
          One of the things I understood from you is that in your opinion the High Court was forced to intervene in the affairs of the Knesset because it did not act in good faith. In response to this, I raised the possibility that this was not the motive for the High Court's intervention and that the Knesset's behavior in some cases is a response to the predatory (and illegal) conduct of the High Court.
          Since the court deals with political issues (even after the reform), it is more likely that it will be elected according to some political key (as happens in every country where there is a constitutional court), so that there is no serious bias towards one of the parties that will inevitably lead to biases in the rulings. Especially when we often see that the representatives of the judges (who hold prior consultations for a uniform vote in violation of the law, as Daniel Friedman showed in his book ‘The End of Innocence – Law and Government in Israel’) and the lawyers work together on the committee, lest we say one finger.
          I would really like to see more Knesset members than government members on the committee, so that a succession of governments does not create a biased court. However, for the committee to represent the political majority of the coalition, an inflated committee will be required, which will create other problems. Moreover, the coalitional structure of the Knesset makes it difficult to have a succession of governments.

          Your call for compromise makes sense, but it emphasizes the importance of the initial uncompromising formulation, and not just for the reason you mentioned. It turns out that there is a tendency for the left to break the rules on politically neutral changes (depending on the majority that is elected). Just to put things into perspective and not to have a competition, I will compare this to the statism demonstrated by the right in more predatory events by the majority, such as the expulsion of the legal residents of Gush Katif and northern Samaria. In game theory terms, this pattern of action incentivizes the right to formulate its proposals in extremes in order to come away with something in hand after the compromise.

          1. This is exactly what I argued. The protesters are opposed not only because it hurts them, but because they truly believe that there is a serious harm to the democratic structure. This is in contrast to the Haredim, for example, who want the reform only to look after their own interests, and ignore the possibility that they themselves will suffer from it.
            There may be polls that conflict, but they can also be biased. My impression is that there is a majority among Likud voters and certainly among the general public in favor of slowing down and dialogue, and also in favor of reducing these or other sections. This is beyond the obvious damage that this reform has already caused. They are immeasurably greater than all the damage that judicial activism has caused to date. And this is true today when the reform has not yet passed.
            By the way, I just read the link you provided, and they also say that in most polls this is the case and it is probably true. This is just insistence.
            The question of who is to blame is irrelevant. I wrote that both sides are to blame, and I also tend to think that the High Court started it. So what? This is exactly what I wrote to you. You repeat what I said and put a question mark at the end.
            I was not dealing with the selection of the court, but with the actual need for judicial review. Various suggestions have been made about this (for example, by Prof. Eviatar from Tel Aviv University and others).
            The question of whether or not this is a goat exercise for the purpose of negotiations was also raised by me. I am only drawing your attention to the fact that this exercise in itself has already taken a heavy toll on all of us and will continue to take a heavy toll. I hope that in the end they will take out the goat, but even then, severe damage, some of which is irreversible, has already been done.

            1. The damage is not from the reform but from the disproportionate response of its opponents, prominent figures among whom called for refusal in relation to the army, namely undermining the common denominator that keeps the state functioning. Surrendering to this is essentially like surrendering to a blackmailer in the famous paradox. You cannot blame those who see themselves as correcting a system that has deteriorated and dragged outside the realms of the law, for the consequences of the hysterical reaction of the other camp.

              Regarding the polls, I did not claim that there is a majority in favor of the reform, but that it is not so clear that there is not. Because this is so and perhaps even if this were not the case, since the democratic decision gave the power to the Knesset in its current composition, it is entitled (legally and morally) to use it without qualms. All this because the reform, even if not formulated in detail, stood in the background of the last election campaign, among other prominent issues.

              1. Just regarding the point you raised here: You can definitely blame, it was clear from the start that this would be the reaction, and it will become increasingly clear over time. Whoever holds the power of government is the one who holds the responsibility. They could have stopped or slowed down at any moment. For example, imagine what would have happened if Levin had announced his plan, but not said that he would enact it immediately but would have started a year-long discussion with academics, jurists, etc. (and not(!) just in the Knesset), with a deadline of say a year, at the end of which they would begin legislation on what was agreed upon. They would have set a deadline and that would have made it real, and it would not have been a fluke on the one hand, and on the other hand it would not have caused such a panic and such an extreme reaction.
                And this is just one suggestion, but the people in power are supposed to be thinking about these things. They are trying to do something that is unacceptable to a huge minority (and a minority with a lot of power) at lightning speed, and they did not even think about the consequences of it. So yes, it's completely their fault.

                In the same way, you can say that the territories should be annexed or start a nuclear war with the US or any other crazy thing (and if you don't do it because of the reaction it's because you're giving in to blackmail). There are things in reality that need to be considered and thought about before doing things, every child knows that, but for some reason our government doesn't.

              2. Indeed, some of the gains are from the reactions, and still, as a matter of fact, there is damage.
                Refusal is a completely legitimate tool when red lines are being crossed, both economically and militarily.
                Whoever does not want to surrender and insists will bear the consequences of the rabbit game. He will be very right (in his opinion), and will descend with the rest of us into the abyss.

              3. It seems to me that a central element in this issue is the question of whether critics of the reform are sincere in their fears about it or whether it is a cry of 'wolf, wolf'. If the first answer is correct, we have turned to the rabbit game. If the second, we are in the midst of the blackmailer's paradox. In your column on the impressions from the demonstration, it sounds like you believe we are in the second option, although one should be careful about drawing conclusions based on personal experience at one of the demonstrations.

        3. What is in the mind of the minority here is that the majority (primitive in their eyes) will not be able to make significant decisions and that the minority will make them. So is democracy.

          Saar and Shaked have not solved anything. What is important is legally conservative judges and not activists with a kippah. It is really demagogy to say otherwise

  9. Democracy is an ideal, and the set of rules for its political implementation is a product of the ideal. When the spirit of the ideal is alive in the majority of citizens, it does not matter so much how it is implemented politically. In contrast, if the majority of citizens have moved away from the ideal, then even if the set of rules for its political implementation is correct, democracy is like a body without a soul.

    Today, right-wingers rightly see the legal system as an institution that does not adequately represent all parts of the people and that has assumed authority that was not explicitly given to it. On the other hand, left-wingers rightly fear a reform that will include many people whose worldview is far removed from the ideal of democracy, and who may exploit it for selfish purposes at the expense of the entire public.

    To our regret, tyrannical power, whether on the part of the legislative branch, the executive branch, or the judiciary, whether on the left or the right, is an expression of a lack of vision, of public emissaries who have moved away from waiting and moved to extremes, and of a lack of understanding of the importance of the measure of peace.

    Furthermore, the labels “right” and “left” have long been used by politicians from both camps to gain power, and are not an argument for the correctness of things. The ideological right and left of the past almost no longer exist. Begin's Likud supported the supremacy of the judicial system, the enactment of basic laws, and was strongly opposed to reform. Even the left would support reform. The world is upside down 🙂

  10. Levin and Rothman's reform to change the method of selecting judges so that they appoint judges "from among the people of peace" of the coalition, and not judges "from among the people of peace" of the judicial elite, is superficial. Because the method of "our people" leads to mediocrity. And mediocrity is not corrected by worse mediocrity.

    As for the issue of legal advisors, senior civil servants are supposed to be excellent professionals who express their professional opinion even if it does not agree with the political echelon. The prime minister and his ministers have the right to accept or not accept their opinion, and provided that the government is not above the law.

    There is a fundamental difference between politicians and professionals, in that politicians tend to look at things from a political perspective, while professionals from a professional perspective. Both of these perspectives are not perfect. A political view often represents only a part of the public, and is subject to vested interests. Professionals often see things only from the perspective of their profession, and lack a more general perspective. Proper governance is one that achieves the right balance between the political and professional levels. And this can only be done through listening and mutual respect.

  11. There is another point regarding reasonableness that Karl Popper emphasizes, and I don't know to what extent you agree with it, that determining whether the government's decision is reasonable or not is the heart of democracy as a mechanism for voters to feed back on the decisions of elected officials. When the court examines political decisions of elected officials in light of the test of reasonableness, it takes this test away from me as a voter. And this goes beyond the problem of assuming that there is indeed one correct answer to the question of what is reasonable and what is not. Every normal person in the world knows that most questions in the world do not have one correct and final answer. The court's pretension to determine what is reasonable or unreasonable is completely illogical. The reasons that exist today in the law, such as lack of authority, prohibition of discrimination, and more, provide enough tools for the court to invalidate a decision without harming democracy.

    1. The voter can express his opinion on the government's activities throughout its four years. This consists of thousands of items - decisions, actions and legislation. This is not a reasonable review of individual decisions. The question is how will you ensure that an arbitrary individual decision is not made? Just as I described from my experience regarding criticism of the corrupt head of the council that was in Yeruham.
      There is a contradiction in your words. Suppose there was no law prohibiting discrimination and the like, would you agree to judicial review on the basis of reasonableness? In other words, you also accept its possibility in principle. In the column, I gave examples of this. Now it is possible to argue whether all unreasonable cases can be ruled out by virtue of the law that exists today. This is the opposite argument to the one you argued at the beginning of your words. The court's argument (and mine too) is that it cannot. Do you think so? This is no longer a fundamental argument. It needs to be examined on a case-by-case basis. Furthermore, when a law or administrative decision is invalidated due to lack of authority or discrimination, the same argument will be raised: You are not legislators. Leave that to the voters!

      1. I elected elected officials because I trust their judgment. I did not elect a judge because I trust his judgment, but because his professionalism is upholding the law. The problem with the elected official in Yeruham is that his judgment was biased because he was corrupt and accepted bribes.

        The truth is not. The limitation to the cases listed in the law is needed to prevent the judge from becoming the supreme ruler. What the law does not prohibit, he permits. If the law does not prohibit discrimination, then it is disgusting but legitimate. As a society, we oppose discrimination and therefore prohibit it by law, but judicial rulings are a very bad way to achieve public goals, as supporters of the Supreme Court are now discovering.

        And by the way, if the Supreme Court had refrained from granting standing to those representing foreign entities, 90% of the noise would have disappeared. It has only now become known that foreign countries have allocated a huge budget of hundreds of millions of shekels for petitions to the Israeli court. Responding to these petitions comes at the expense of the Israeli citizen's right to justice.

        1. As I explained in the column, this is precisely the fallacy of reform advocates. They cling to correct theoretical arguments, and create terrible practice.

          1. This is also true for the other side when correct theoretical arguments have created terrible practice:
            https://yuddaaled.wordpress.com/2023/02/28/%d7%9e%d7%93%d7%95%d7%a2-%d7%94%d7%92%d7%a0%d7%94-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%98%d7%99%d7%a7%d7%90%d7%99%d7%9d-%d7%9e%d7%a4%d7%a0%d7%99-%d7%a8%d7%93%d7%99%d7%a4%d7%94-%d7%9e%d7%a9%d7%a4/

      2. Well, then what? There is a limit to how much you can trust elected officials. You can't make sure that a specific decision isn't arbitrary in real time. That's crazy. For thousands of these decisions, there is a state comptroller and a press and elections every four years. And who told you that the advisor's decision isn't arbitrary? Meanwhile, it is precisely the lawyers of all kinds who have proven lax in all their decisions regarding politicians. And in general, how many inspectors and critics should there be? This is communist madness that seeks to control everything. And who will criticize the comptroller? And who will criticize the critic of the critic? In the end, the entire country will be inspectors and 2 percent will work (that's how it was under communism too)

        What to do if after 5 years in Yeruham the public still chose a corrupt person despite all the warnings and testimonies (and assuming that all the critics of all kinds themselves are not corrupt) then the city's residents are corrupt. So what? Force a leader they don't want on them by force?

        1. There is no point in discussing it. You are completely biased and writing nonsense (not only here). You don't even know what happened in Yeruham, but you have a firm position. The same is probably true with regard to the earthly plane. Good luck to all of us.

  12. Democracy in the literal sense refers to a form of government in which the people choose the government.
    Liberalism refers to a worldview that advocates individual freedom, individual rights, and equality.
    In a liberal democracy, in order to protect individual rights, it is customary to limit the government through a constitution and the rule of law.

    There can be a liberal democracy, an illiberal democracy, an illiberal dictatorship, and a liberal dictatorship. For example, Western countries are liberal democracies. Some Eastern European and Third World countries are illiberal democracies. Most dictatorships are illiberal, except for the constitutional monarchies of 19th-century Europe, which were liberal.

    An illiberal democracy may be a dictatorship of the majority. Liberalism without democracy may be a dictatorship of elites.

    In fact, supporters of reform believe that the State of Israel is liberal and not democratic, while opponents of reform believe that reform will turn it into an illiberal democracy. Both sides, to some extent, are right.

    It is easy for the executive-legislative branch to see the shortcomings of the judiciary, and for the judiciary to see the shortcomings of the legislative-executive branch. A reform that would correct the judiciary and weaken its independence would not eliminate the shortcomings of the executive-legislative branch and could even worsen them.

    Ultimately, we need to stop the heated discourse, as if one side is right and the other is wrong, or vice versa. Any proper governmental system, and in particular a modern state, is a complex system, based on different worldviews and the experience of previous generations, which gradually form into some kind of compromise that allows society as a whole to exist.

  13. Is it possible that sometimes, when an existing system has been corrupted and distorted beyond recognition, the best solution is to stop the game and start over from a clean slate – a true democratic page of majority rule that can really do what it wants?
    Then, as the majority and the legitimate authority, the majority can establish new rules of the game that it has chosen, through dialogue with the minority and without fear of a player who is too strong not to give in and steal from it (after all, they are thirsty for legitimacy and broad consensus).
    There is more than an indication that at least Rothman wants a constitution that is similar to the US in terms of individual and property rights. When you have a political court, it has no value, their interpretation will be completely opposite (for example, the "property" rights belong to the customer against the business owner, for example, an issue that Rothman dealt with directly)
    It makes sense to me that this is how they established a constitution in new countries/republics, they did not leave the old dictatorial regime and only limited its powers, because they realized that it could not work, they started anew and from this solution they eventually reached a fairly broad agreement even with the old aristocracy

    1. The system was not corrupted, certainly not the legal system. It did indeed exceed its powers quite a bit, and indeed it is irritating and frustrating, but it is far from being corrupt. If there is anything corrupt here, it is politics. Therefore, all your words are contrary to the factual truth.
      Beyond that, even if the system was corrupted, you are talking about a forceful process in which the majority takes the reins in tyranny. Although you are proposing an enlightened tyranny, the whole democratic idea is that you do not trust the majority to be an enlightened tyrant. The minority will respond to the power with counterforce, and in the game of rabbit, both sides will collapse.
      As I just heard from Gershon HaCohen, people do not understand that political power is not based only on winning elections, but that there are additional centers of power, cultural and economic, and if they are not taken into account, they will collapse. Rothman, Levin and Bibi live in the illusion that they can win by force, but they are very wrong. They and all of us together will lose. There are already irreversible processes that our society and economy have gone through, and it is not certain that this can be fixed at all. If they continue, the damage will be enormous and irreversible. Much more than the completely marginal damage caused by the overly active involvement of the High Court.

      1. I am looking at a system in which a sitting prime minister is overthrown with indictments that we now see as a fundamentally corrupt system. And the fact that a judge can use the prosecutor's office and the police against ministers (Ne'eman, Rivlin) who want to propose a change in the system is shocking to me.
        Government institutions must be subordinate to the government and the Knesset. What is the point of elections if the Supreme Court can invalidate your appointments, or worse, castrate you from an executive perspective through the other arm – the executive branch?
        There are many sick evils in the country. The prosecutor's office and the police are run like a criminal organization without any oversight. The courts approve the trampling of the rights of detainees without batting an eyelid. They rubber stamp on the one hand and give the institutions the ”legal” legitimacy On the other hand
        And right now the situation is that if you want to change (say, for the first time in the place of the state, someone will supervise the crimes of the prosecutor's office? Makes sense, doesn't it??) you can't touch anything. Because there is the position of the advisor. And automatically invalidating laws or worse, issuing interim orders in denial of the law and without even being based on any law (like Mazuz who issued an interim order against the appointment of the Minister of Justice as a state prosecutor on grounds of “reasonableness”, when he was not given the authority to do so)
        The goal of the reform is not the courts, but the removal of the main obstacle on the way to healthy governance of sick institutions.
        And no, no one else will clean up the prosecutor's office and the police if the right doesn't do it. The left is not interested in touching corrupt institutions as long as they serve it politically.
        The claim that the court will protect us from corruption is naive, as long as it can do whatever it wants, it will protect us from whoever it wants and will not protect us from whoever it doesn't want, and that's exactly what it does. And human rights? You made fun of it. Israel is in a very bad place from this perspective: 95+% of cases end in conviction. Detention extensions are automatically granted for weeks (“Look surprised” know that quote? ). In the past year, we have become the only country in the entire Western world that convicts based on a confession extracted through torture.
        These are our real problems. Deri and his tax reports interest me like a fever compared to these phenomena

      2. On second thought, in light of your words about the rabbit game, the backing you give to economic and military harm (through refusal) in the country is no less amazing than the slander you pour on the reform process, which is completely legal, was promised to the voters (even if not in its detailed form) and does not harm anyone in the foreseeable future (except for speculation about the murder of the Reds. Oh, it also harms the "family" a little). It is absurd to compare this to a move that was deliberately designed to harm the country at a sensitive time for political gains. The weak are not always right.

        1. I tend to agree with your conclusion about the futility of the debate, but for a different reason. In my opinion, we see the seriousness of Aharon Barak's revolution in a different light. In many debates of this kind, our view on the subject may be influenced by many contents to which we have been exposed, and we cannot discuss them all here due to the shortness of the time frame. I have read many contents on this subject from both sides with as open an mind as I could (including those you referred to here) and have reached my current conclusions, in a manner no less honest than you, in my opinion. I do not know the extent of your knowledge in the field, but from the way you relate it seems that there are facts that you do not know (especially in the history of the Supreme Court). Daniel Friedman, in his book ‘The End of Innocence - Law and Governance in Israel’ thoroughly reviews the history of law in Israel, in a manner that I believe sheds light on the current reality quite well (I have no commercial interests in the subject). If you know of any background content that you think might convince me or other users of the site of the validity of your original approach to the discussion, I would be happy if you would present it.

      3. The legal system is worse than corrupt. It has no concept of truth at all, as we have seen several times with the “purposeful interpretation” of laws. Or should we say that there is no greater corruption than that. This also explains the opacity (and the manipulations that follow it) and the lack of self-awareness of the people in this field - the lawyers. Who seem to have no concept of justice at all. The people, it turns out, are more sane and righteous than this collection of pseudo-intellectuals.

          1. Examples:
            https://www.makorrishon.co.il/opinion/456499/
            https://www.makorrishon.co.il/opinion/577991/
            https://www.makorrishon.co.il/news/509081/
            https://www.makorrishon.co.il/news/245231/
            https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/492979
            https://www.makorrishon.co.il/news/266149/

  14. I really liked it. Here are some comments

    Indeed, politicians from the side that opposes the reform “who have no idea what this is all about” should not be part of the negotiations. The protest leaders do not explicitly say: Lapid and Gantz do not represent us. Lapid's first proposal was also to establish a presidential committee without politicians to draft a reform.
    Regarding the status of legal advisors: I want to compare this to the status of an engineer. If a person wants to build a building, he must have an engineer, but in fact there are at least two engineers in the story. One is an employee of the builder, and his job is to prepare a construction plan that will be cheap, stable, fast and meet all the requirements. The builder is allowed to hire any engineer he wants to design the building, and fire him if the plan is not good in his opinion. After that, the plan goes to the authorities, and there another engineer checks that the plan meets the regulatory requirements. The second engineer is not an employee, and cannot be fired, although his decisions can be appealed.
    Similarly, it might be worth splitting the role of the legal advisor into two: one is the advisor, who is a trusted servant of the executive branch, and the other is a judicial reviewer, an emissary of the judiciary who cannot be fired or removed, just as a judge cannot be removed.

    2a. The executive branch is essentially made up of two types of people: elected officials and their assistants, and non-elected civil servants. In addition to legal advisors, these include the accountants, the chief of staff, the police commissioner, the director of the broadcasting corporation, and other positions whose essence should prevent politicians from removing them. In my opinion, all of these roles together constitute the “auditing authority”, and we should give them their rightful place in the battle between the authorities: they are the ones who ultimately protect us.

    “The debate over the definition of the concept ‘democracy’ is unnecessary”. In addition, the word itself is loaded with a specific connotation (positive, in this case). The moment this word is used, each side in the debate must say that it is the true democrat. That is why I often demand that my interlocutors rephrase arguments without using loaded words whose definition is disputed. Many are unable to make this leap of thought. I recently encountered a phenomenon in a discussion about the torture that Amiram Ben-Uliel underwent. The word “torture” is loaded, and most of the participants in the discussion argued about “what exactly is torture” And not about "whether under pressure, it is likely that he confessed to a crime he did not commit."

    1. The split will not help anything. You propose to add another attorney to the current attorneys. What will you gain? The same arguments will be raised against the new attorney who imposes his opinion.

      Regarding semantic arguments, I wrote that I completely agree.

      1. One could equally ask why both a defense attorney and a category attorney are needed. After all, they are both lawyers!

  15. "The country is in danger of complete disintegration, and already today there are irreversible economic and social processes." I would appreciate it if you could expand, sounds interesting, thanks 🙂

    1. All you have to do is listen to what is happening and take an interest in the circles that the coalition is apparently not in touch with (high-tech, economists and businessmen). The military and economic refusal, the brain drain and business and money, the loss of cohesion and the remnants of trust. All of these are enormous damages. The scope of these phenomena is very large, and people are not listening to the facts (what is published is only the tip of the iceberg). I spoke to people from the world of investments and high-tech, and there is a shameful disregard for the facts they present. These are the layers that hold the country together economically, militarily, etc. We will be left here with a totalitarian regime that will not have the quorum to subsidize them. Like Saudi Arabia, which makes a living from gas but lacks a technological, moral and cultural level.

  16. “(By the way, I think it's mainly thanks to Netanyahu who has maintained the legal system over the years in a very consistent and determined manner)”
    This sentence in parentheses is one of the main reasons for the current dismal situation. Many supporters of reform in principle prefer slow legislation, little by little, compromises, but the reality is that for many years Netanyahu has established a situation of 0 changes. Therefore, it is important to first make all the changes and then cancel what is not needed, because if we now act in the way of discussions and discussions and little by little, we cannot count on having time to make any change before Netanyahu reverts back to a policy of zero changes.

    1. That is, first destroy, then (maybe) repair. And the damage that will be created in the meantime and probably in the long term, whatever it may be.

      1. How do you conclude from what I wrote that passing the reform as it is is a disaster?

        1. I didn't claim that you said that, that's how I interpret your words. You said that the changes should be made first, and then what needs to be repealed should be repealed. But there are many people, some very serious, who claim that this reform will definitely cause destruction (and at the very least very serious damage, some of which they see already now, before it has passed, and yes: I include the reactions to the reform as damage from the reform, because these are the facts – there is a huge and very strong public that opposes this reform with all its might, a public that largely bears the entire economic burden of the state, and that is something that needs to be taken into account). So maybe you make the changes, the damage will already be done, and it will be very difficult to repair… (Unfortunately, it seems that the damage that has already been done will be very difficult to repair)

          1. You have the right to think that the reform will lead to destruction. You also have the right, of course, to express this opinion, but on your own behalf. To interpret my words in this way is unfair.

            1. Why the dishonesty? I admit that this is my interpretation, and I think it should be clear to anyone who reads my words.

  17. Regarding what you wrote here:
    “Most people have no authority over the minority unless the minority has accepted the rules of the game, that is, only when the majority and the minority together form a common society that makes decisions together by consensus.”
    It doesn't sound logical that any minority group could suddenly decide that it doesn't accept the rules of the game and the majority would have to respect it. After all, tomorrow a group could arise that doesn't like the cannabis laws and declare independence from the majority. It seems to me that those who resign should take their things and leave the country, or accept the majority's decision.

    1. First, I presented logical arguments in favor of this conclusion. You are only raising a question of applicability and not of substance.
      Second, it is clear that not everything is broken up. But if there is something that is very important to the minority (and the decision is solely theirs), it is legitimate for them to break up the package. Just like refusing an order or conscientious objection to the law.
      As for the question of whether breaking up the package requires the minority to be displaced from here, I am not at all sure. They have the same right to sit here as the majority. There was an agreement on agreed rules of the game that form the basis of the state. If the state falls apart, then the majority has no more status than the minority. Everyone will stay here and there will be no state.
      By the way, this is actually the question regarding Neturei Karta.

      1. So, what is your answer regarding Neturi Karta or other groups that establish a state within a state (like the state of Achziv). Should the majority respect them?

        1. In principle, one should respect a group that is ideologically unwilling to cooperate and participate, as long as they do not take or receive services, like Neturi Karta. Achziv, this is just childish nonsense.

      2. And I also don't understand why you claim that the state falls apart in such a situation. Ostensibly, the state remains intact, only there is a minority group that withdraws. Now the question arises whether they can take part of the state's territory when they withdraw. If they are concentrated in a certain geographical location, then maybe so. But in the case that they are scattered within the majority, I see no other choice but for them to leave the state (or stay and accept the majority's decision).

        1. The country is falling apart in many ways. Socially because of the protests (which are a pre-dissolution situation), economically the situation is much more difficult than people think, and of course the partnership with the Haredim has a rather disastrous outlook. The minority that may abandon is a minority that to a large extent carries the country on its back. What will remain if these guys abandon is a country I wouldn’t want to live in.
          And in general, dissolution is not an easy matter in practice. How exactly will this happen? How will the resources be divided? What will the relationships between the parts be? Because it is practically almost impossible, the struggles will continue forcefully inside. We are not even able to achieve dissolution from the Palestinians, so dissolution from some of the Jews? There is no chance of it happening in an orderly manner.

          1. Today, a group of 180 pilots announced that they will not stand down. I want to clarify with the committee one of the advantages, differences of views, between us. I assume that in light of your view that God has left the earth, deep down you are a little if not more afraid, and these fears have implications for healthy sleep, and for the soul in general, while I, who am loyal to my view that the best for the pilot and the best for the whole, and they are the real defense, I testify on heaven and earth that I feel the same as yesterday and the day before yesterday, and am completely calm. It is clear that I do not expect you to change your view because of this. I only came to point out, and nothing more, that there is a price for both sides of the fence.

            1. This is nonsense. Not only because you are talking about psychology and I am talking about the truth (and by the way, I am not really afraid on an emotional-experiential level either), but because when the danger becomes tangible, you will leave the kollel and be the first to escape from all of us like a mouse through its hole.
              The declarations of confidence and effort always come up when there is no real problem or when there is a problem that is too difficult and has no practical solution. I assume that you take medication and go to the doctor when necessary, or call the police when something happens that threatens you. You are not satisfied with declarations of confidence and increase your studies in the kollel. So please spare me this bullshit.
              Beyond that, you have simply become accustomed as an ultra-Orthodox to the fact that you have no responsibility. Someone will solve your problems for you and do everything for you. In the end, everything works out. That is why there are suckers in the world (or in your language: God helps).

              1. You made a salad, so I refrained from tasting it. A. If I were in a kollel, I wouldn't be here, may God have mercy on me, B. If an F35 pilot finds himself in a dangerous place, when he's not in the cockpit, he will flee to his hideout, from the standpoint of diligence, does this contradict his modest contribution to security, I wonder, "a holy analytical mind, how would he think like this?" C. I am calm, because the secular parasites, who shirk the burden of their share, mainly the defense of the state, which is in the study of Torah, since there are suckers, who strive, while retiring from the comforts of life, and sometimes out of despicable poverty, not only for three years, but for life, to fulfill the part of those who, according to the condition that the Holy One has stipulated, have no right to the land, and even the land is supposed to expel them as sinners, and not just their money, and who knows, if the Holy One does not extend it to them because we carry them on our backs, by virtue of our Torah, was a great military leader who was almost considered the Messiah, because of the great power and strength he had and those around him, and he thought, like you, that his glorious victories came because of the IDF at the time he was under him, and one day he slowly gave his righteous friend, R. Eliezer, who had been praying for his victories all these years, was killed, and at that moment the true protection was removed from him and his followers, and he and all the thousands with him fell. And for this reason I always remind you of the prophecy of the prophet Isaiah, the Holy One of Israel, that a day will come and it will be fulfilled before your eyes, “Hear the word of the Lord, you who are zealous for His word, say to your brothers who hate you, ‘For My name’s sake the Lord will be glorified, and He will be seen in your joy, and they will be ashamed. Decide for yourself which group you want to belong to, the ashamed or the happy.

          1. It's like allowing gays to be stoned in another country. Obviously it's better not to let them, but your responsibility for that is less.

      3. "A question of applicability, not of substance" is exactly what you say about "ethics versus utility." Applicability is important, even in your eyes.

  18. Basic Law: Honor of the Torah and Freedom of the Lumedia (Heshmatut 5789)

    Basic Principles
    (Major Amendment No. 1) 1. The importance of the Torah in Israel is based on the recognition of the sanctity of the Torah handed down to us from Sinai and the freedom of the Lumedia who sacrifice their lives to study it. And you have no free person except one who deals with the Torah.

    Purpose 2. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect the honor of the Torah and the freedom of the Lumedia, in order to anchor in the Basic Law the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.

    Safeguarding Freedom and Life 3. The freedom of a Jew studying Torah is not violated, as he is a Jew, and he has no obligation except for the duty of God, and certainly not his life is endangered, God willing.

    Protection of Property 4. Our rabbis are not in the business of netirota, and therefore, scholars who are deeply versed in Halacha will be exempt from taxes each year in the amount of the defense budget from the state budget in that year.

    Family Rights 5. All survivors of those who die in the tent of Torah will be entitled to any exemption from payments and any payment that those whose loved ones have died enjoy.

    Applicability of the Law 6. The Torah scholars whose freedom this law guarantees are Haredim, that is, those who wear a white shirt and black pants all year round and/or wear a shtreimel on their heads on Shabbats and holy days.

    Protection of Rights 7. Nothing in this law shall prejudice the rights of Torah scholars to any benefit reserved for those serving in the army and security forces.

    1. You only forgot a tiny detail, you discuss a situation where we supposedly have a court and justice systems, reasonable and present a supposedly substantive debate between two equal parties, but you are completely disconnected from the public's mindset and when you have an option in front of you in that direction, you dismiss them as delusional or crazy. This does not respect you. It only shows that when the claims end and the attacks begin, be a little open-minded and understand that a lot of the public has no trust at all in the legal system and especially in the corruption of the prosecution gang. The only thing that will be shortened is to point out to you the serious things that are being done there. This is why the public did not buy the incitement about Bibi's suspicions, and elected him again because they are sure that cases were sewn up here by unprofessional tailors, and if they did this for the prime minister, even more so that these corrupt people will sew up cases to hate their own Haredi soul, Aryeh Deri. So what are you talking about, a person who has been convicted several times? Etc. From the public's perspective, it's Dreyfus. There are courts in Russia and Iran too, so all your chatter is correct, in a situation where the public has confidence in the system, but right now there's no trust, certainly no more than in politicians, so everything here is a messiah.

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