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Holocaust Survivors Versus Hamas

Question

Elie Wiesel once said that when the Allies liberated the Buchenwald camp, there were survivors who descended on Weimar, the city near the camp, and looted, slaughtered, and raped its residents as revenge for what the Germans had done. Bottom line, with all the empathy, do those survivors deserve condemnation (and punishment, assuming they are still alive) exactly like Hamas on Simchat Torah?

Answer

Obviously those are improper acts. I see no sense in the comparison to Hamas.

Discussion on Answer

David S. (2025-01-30)

If we put aside for a moment the whole “you’re not allowed to judge” thing,
it’s completely deserving of condemnation, punishment, disgust, etc. There is revenge toward which I’d be somewhat forgiving in my attitude, but for sadism you have to be a sadist to begin with. A person who is hurting and hungry for revenge destroys; he doesn’t loot. By the way, I can’t understand how a person can rape as an act of revenge. In my opinion, he’d have to be a rapist a priori…

A. (2025-01-31)

David,
A) As for your question (in another thread), apparently there’s some glitch on your end because I still see the entire responsum.
B) This isn’t trolling. Obviously I don’t think about those survivors what I think about the Nukhba, and still I wanted to ask Michi because unfortunately I don’t trust my own thinking to be free of emotion.
By the way, was there something specific in the wording of the question that made it seem like trolling? Or just the question itself?
C) It seems to me that a person who experienced such a loss wants to hurt the other side in every possible way, and rape is one of them, even if he isn’t, in your words, “a rapist a priori.” Listen to Avihai Bachar and his colorful statements; we’re not talking about someone who was genocidal from the outset.

David S. (2025-01-31)

A) Indeed, a glitch. All the other questions opened for me as usual, and only this one, despite repeated attempts, wouldn’t open. Now it went back to normal.

B) It didn’t look like trolling at all; I was only puzzled because I thought the question had been deleted.

C) As for Avihai Bachar — I have no idea who that is — I relate to what people do, not what they say. I don’t know him, but maybe he’d be glad if they were raped, not necessarily rape someone himself. A normal person isn’t supposed to be able to function sexually in a rape situation at all (not rape of the “she said no” kind, but the rape of an enemy civilian).
And as stated, looting, while not as severe as rape, still has nothing to do with the emotion of revenge. The initial motivation to damage the other person’s property may come from revenge; the looting is simply the thievery of the looter.
The same goes for acts of sadism. A normal person shouldn’t be capable of torturing a terrorist with his own hands.

I don’t know exactly what stories Elie Wiesel told, but if those survivors raped, slaughtered, and looted the residents of a nearby city, then they are rapists, sadists, and thieves.

B. (2025-02-02)

“I see no sense in the comparison to Hamas” —
do you mean that there’s no practical significance to comparing it specifically to Hamas, or that you disagree with the comparison?

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