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Change in the Creator

Question

Rabbi Michi, is this correct? (Thank you.) This is a summary based on what I understood from the site and from my questions.
1 – According to the view that there is no change of will in the Creator (the assumption of the philosophers, as brought by Maimonides), and really no change at all—neither action nor knowledge (and in any case, any change in knowledge causes a change in will, which causes a change in action)—it follows that He must know the future (unless this is Aristotle’s god, who takes no interest at all in his world and does not know it). Therefore, Maimonides, who holds that there is no change of will in the Creator, must understand that He knows human choice.
2 – According to the view that there is no change in the Creator, it also follows that there is no self-perfection or development (indeed, see Guide for the Perplexed I:55), and therefore Maimonides, consistently with his view, says that we do not know why He created the world.
3 – Knowledge of the future implies not being subject to time, assuming there is no determinism (and indeed, see Guide for the Perplexed I:57).
Now Maimonides’ position on divine knowledge and free choice is also understandable: it is a logical contradiction. If He knows what will be chosen, it does not seem that we have choice. (Because of this, the Ravad, Or Hashem, Rashi, and others indeed held that He does not know the future—at most in the way astrologers know it, as the Ravad says, or, in modern terms, by the law of large numbers, mathematical statistics.) But Maimonides, like all the medieval authorities (Rishonim), later authorities (Acharonim), mystics, and philosophers (unlike Christians and the Hasidim), held that the Creator cannot do logical contradictions. On the other hand, the philosophers also took it as a necessary assumption that there is no deficiency in the Creator, and that change—or not knowing the future (which is also a change, as above)—is a deficiency in their view.
So he tried to carve out some path, because he could not say that the Creator is omnipotent in that sense (which indeed he did not say; rather, he stretched his language as though trying to solve something), since, as stated, He cannot do logical contradictions. And if the answer is that we do not understand His knowledge and yet the Creator can somehow do it, then let us say the same thing about a square triangle and the like—and as stated, that is impossible. However, Maimonides apparently thought there is some slight understanding of the distinction between them, and he tries to go in that direction. But Or Hashem on Genesis 6:5 rightly refuses to understand such a distinction, and explains Maimonides as saying that the Creator decided not to know in order to allow choice. Rabbi Michi sharpens this further and says that Or Hashem understands the contradiction to free choice as being that someone knows the choice, and therefore Or Hashem answered that the Creator decided not to know. But Rabbi Michi emphasizes that in truth, the contradiction to choice is the very possibility that such information about the future exists already in the past; that itself is a contradiction to choice, even if nobody, including the Creator, knows it. But as stated, Maimonides cannot agree to this, because in his view that would be a deficiency in the Creator.
The difficulties for the view of foreknowledge (even assuming that somehow there is also free choice), and, as stated, assuming there is no change or deficiency in Him:
4. Other theological difficulties:
A. The very confusion in human thought over the contradiction between knowledge of the future and free choice. (A person enters in his thoughts into Newcomb’s paradox.)
B. This whole world then seems like just a game. Why, if He wills it, does He not place a person immediately in the Garden of Eden according to the reward He knows he will choose? Why is this whole unnecessary path needed? (Of course, according to their view, it is also impossible to answer that He knows the choice before the choice but only after you actually choose it—assuming we even understood what we are saying—because then what have you gained? Then He is not omnipotent to know the choice before you actually choose.) And indeed Maimonides says that we do not understand why He created the world.
C. The problem of evil becomes even stronger according to this, because He knows in advance every evil that one person will do to another through his choice, and in general every evil that will happen in the world. So why does He allow this suffering, being omnipotent? And even the answer about the importance of choice will not help here, because He could give it up, since He already knows in advance what each person would choose, and as stated He could give reward in advance.
Whereas according to the views that hold He does not know the future, they can go with the idea of development or perfection, because in any case they attribute change to Him, from the very fact of change in knowledge, which automatically brings along the other changes as above. And then indeed there was a need to create His world for some purpose that He could not achieve without creating the world. The fact is that He created it, which implies that He had some need that He could not achieve without it—whatever purpose you choose, whether self-perfection, doing good, etc.
We should just note that those who claim that He knows the future in advance, and that there are no changes in Him, thereby hold that He is above time, as above (a concept we do not understand), and that is also their explanation for how He knows in advance even though there is free choice. But that leads to another difficulty:
D. If according to them time is created and did not exist before the creation of the world, then what is the belief in creation? What does it mean that the world was not always with Him and that only later He created it? There are no such concepts. This too creates confusion in thought that burdens the believer. In contrast, those who hold that He does not know the future can definitely maintain—and this also follows, because if He does not know the future that means He is subject to time—that time always existed. Meaning: from the very fact that you admit that a Creator exists, or that anything exists, you admit that there is time. Time is basically the movement of life. In other words, this is logically necessary. It is like saying that if someone claims that the Creator can do logical contradictions, then everything becomes absurd, because then the Creator does not exist—for He is omnipotent, so even if He does not exist He can exist, and even if there are 2 there are 1.
According to the mystics, who invented the sefirot so that there would be no change in the Creator:
A. Then according to them it must be explained that the sefirot that bring the reward (the “flow,” in their language) are pre-programmed by Him, such that whoever does X receives flow X (for example, Netzach of Hod of Tiferet, etc., endlessly). And we must say that He placed understanding into the sefirot so they would understand this, because otherwise who conveys to them in a way they would understand what the reward is? This requires cognition—unless one holds that it is possible to create robots with human-like cognition.
B. The mystics who claim that the sefirot are necessary so that change should not apply to Him—this implies that they hold He does not know the future. Because if He does know the future, they could have explained it like Bechinat HaDat, who also agrees with Maimonides that the Creator knows the future, and explains that the Creator’s rewarding His creatures does not indicate change, because He prepared it in advance, since He knew the future in advance. (If they did not think of this, then we have no business with their wisdom.)
So it seems that the mystics contradict themselves, because after all they invented the sefirot due to the claim that there is no change in Him, and as above, so they thereby understand that He is above time, because otherwise there would be change in Him, as above. But if so, there was no need to invent the sefirot; the explanation of Bechinat HaDat should have been enough.

Answer

We keep coming back and grinding through this again and again. I’ll respond briefly.
1 – That you need to ask him. One can think that there is no change in the Creator except regarding choice, because there there is no way to grant choice without change. You can also say that knowledge is not a change. One can say many things. But as I said, I do not deal with other people’s vague statements. You need to ask them.
2 – As above.
3 – I did not understand that sentence, and I see no point in going back once again to all these empty discussions about being subject to time.
4. Other theological difficulties:
A – This is not confusion in human thought but a contradiction. There is nothing subjective here.
B – One can disagree (perhaps He can accomplish something even without our having choice), but I tend to agree.
C – Foreknowledge neither adds nor detracts regarding the problem of evil. The fact that He knows does not mean He will intervene. If His policy is not to intervene, then He does not intervene even if He knows.
D – Here too these are semantic pilpulim. Even if time is created, it is still possible to speak of creation ex nihilo, except that the description will not be on the time axis but in another language. Causality too can occur in a world without time. Cause-and-effect relations would be described in other terms. I did not understand the final sentences (“time is the movement of life”).
According to the mystics, who invented the sefirot so that there would be no change in the Creator
I will spare myself all these pilpulim, which I find repulsive.

Discussion on Answer

Yedai (2025-02-25)

Really, thank you for everything.
A question—
Why isn’t adding the sefirot the idolatry of the generation of Enosh?
The idea that an intermediary is necessary in order to pray to Him, even if I think about the Infinite within them.
So then let’s pray to anything else in the world and think about the Infinite within it, since according to their view they wrote that there is Infinity in everything?
Thanks again.

Michi (2025-02-25)

With all due respect, these are childish questions typical of fanatical and tendentious opponents of Kabbalah.
Why not offer sacrifices anywhere in the world? Is the Holy One, blessed be He, found only in one specific place on the Temple Mount?
The mystics’ claim is that the relationship between the Holy One, blessed be He, and the sefirot is different from the relationship between Him and the worlds of Beriah, Yetzirah, and Asiyah. The sefirot are His garments, and as the author of the Tanya wrote, embracing the king’s garments is like embracing the king himself. The other worlds are completely detached from Him, and therefore prayer through them is problematic.
That is their conception. In my eyes these are just words, since if I pray to the Holy One, blessed be He, everything is fine. I do not know what it means to pray to Him through something. But when you challenge them, you need to attack their actual view, not tendentious scarecrows that you build in order to attack.

Yedai (2025-02-25)

Okay, so here is a question about their actual view and not a scarecrow or straw man.

The mystics’ invention of the sefirot came to answer a philosophical problem; that is, according to them, it is impossible to turn to the Creator without them, because He does not change (as the Ramak says above), and in Aristotle’s language: “And since that which moves, while itself being moved, is intermediate, there is therefore something that moves without being moved, eternal, substance, and actuality” (Metaphysics, 7).

But here is the problem: the sefirot do not really answer the philosophical difficulty they were meant to answer.

Because if the change is in them and He, may He be blessed, does not change from will to will, then this is outright dualism and idolatry, since He does nothing and the sefirot do things.
And if you say that He acts and therefore the sefirot act, then there is change of will in Him.
And if you say there is no change of will in Him, then the sefirot act according to their own knowledge and will, and there you have dualism dressed up in the robes of “Kabbalah.”

Here I’d be glad for clarification.
Thank you.

Michi (2025-02-25)

That is already a better question. The question is what you call change. If there is change in the sefirot that is rooted in a change of will in the Holy One, blessed be He, perhaps that is not what they call change (because He only wants something different, but has not changed in His essence). Or alternatively, they hold that the change in the sefirot is an automatic result of our actions, because the Holy One, blessed be He, created them that way from the outset (that they would change in response to prayer). And perhaps this is not considered praying to them as separate beings, because one prays to the Holy One, blessed be He, and the response comes through the change that this creates in the sefirot.
But as I said, this whole discussion is foreign to me. Whoever holds the assumption that there is no change in Him, etc.—you need to ask him.

Yedai (2025-02-25)

Indeed, very foreign—and bitterer than death. After all, one can give 150 reasons to declare a creeping thing pure; as a halakhic decisor, would you buy that? Somersaults and contortions in the air—any acrobat can do that.

It is also astonishing: what came over them? What did the mystics see that made them go after holy Aristotle, and even be more papal than the pope? After all, even Maimonides, his admirer, did not say such a thing about prayer.
And in general, do they not see in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and the Talmud that it is not like this?
What is this, a new Judaism?
Is Aristotle going to teach us how to pray instead of the Sages?
People shouted at Maimonides—how dare he follow Aristotle. In what? Here this is about something so fundamental in Judaism, that they are basically saying the Sages were flawed in how they prayed, and they are also instructing everyone to pray in a problematic way (to put it mildly).

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