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For Your Consideration

Question

Hi Michi,
I’m sending you an article intended mainly [not only for the Nir David bulletin], but your opinion [as always!] is very important to me, and you’ll immediately understand why.
All the best, and happy holidays,
A.
On Prayer and Recovery
“What can I tell you”—the attitude of the public, from old to young, toward me after my return from surgery is truly astonishing and moving. And I’m not discovering America when I say that a significant part of healing, and of health in general, is the feeling of togetherness.
But there is another aspect to togetherness, and now I have a golden opportunity to present it: another factor in the recovery process is the recognition that my presence and my actions have value in the society in which I live. In my specific case, my sense of responsibility toward my descendants, and also toward “just children” here in our community, is the strongest factor motivating me to be able to identify existential dangers and look for opportunities to improve the situation. So here we are, we’ve gone through the Tishrei holidays—near my apartment, in “Beit Shaked,” part of the public gathered for Yom Kippur prayers. I admit—it stirred in me more than a trace of envy for that togetherness, for which it is certainly worth taking a time-out from the routine of daily life, part of which is eating [which I really love!]. But my intellect recoils from it. Because that slope is very slippery. Whoever casts his lot with rituals and religious worship asks fewer questions and struggles less! For those who don’t know—the word “dat” in ancient Persian means “law.” When religion dictates my way of life, I ask less! And when I pray a prayer of supplication, that means I expect the Creator of the world to come to my aid. I am not denying the Creator of the world—God. I’m only aware that human prayers do not cause Him to act. [Okay—so there are a few testimonies that God did in fact act… “There is a God!” cried one woman who survived the massacre on the blood-soaked bus near the Country Club in Tel Aviv in 1978…] It is very important for me to clarify—one should hope! To expect—not desirable…
And now a surprise—my friend Rabbi Michael Abraham, who is a well-known Orthodox rabbi and also has a doctorate in physics, also argues that there is no point in supplicatory prayer to the Creator of the world! I won’t go into the details of his arguments here.
Why did I bring up the subject of prayer here? Prayer and worship are part of our national identity, because whether we want it or not, our national identity was also shaped by our religion, even if we do not believe in it. And because of that we live here in the Middle East. As a result, our descendants living here are also exposed to the dangers characteristic of this geographical region. So—we are the generation that grew up against the background of the Holocaust; we were circumcised because our parents knew that our very Jewish origin was enough to expose us to threats of annihilation, and therefore “the sign of the covenant” does not increase concern for the child’s safety. We in turn followed that same path when we circumcised our sons. And now our sons are circumcising our grandsons and great-grandsons. Why? How important is it to us to continue the generations?
I remind you that the reason for my philosophizing here stems from my desire to explain that my feeling of responsibility and commitment to the generation of my grandchildren is what strengthens me in the recovery process.
We believe and are intellectually convinced that in order for our descendants to be able to live here safely, we must find a way to coexist respectfully with the Palestinians, different from the one the religious right is willing to accept. But we are aware of the fact that the Religious Zionist camp is far more determined than we are. The Religious Zionists see living throughout the Land of Israel as the fulfillment of a religious commandment. We have no commandments we are obligated to—but we are obligated to the future of our descendants! Broadly speaking, one can say that a religious Jew is more committed to the chain of generations than to the future of his descendants! Even so, we do have a strong bargaining chip against the nationalist right, a card that needs to be used carefully, kept subdued and disguised. With the right one needs to speak aloud about seeking shared values, about the social values of Judaism. But one must make right-wing people understand that if the strength of the State of Israel matters to them, they must show that they are “the responsible adult” and seek ways for the secular public also to feel that the State of Israel is its home, with which it identifies, and not go looking for its happiness overseas. Let’s admit the truth—none of us would tear his garments if one of his descendants preferred the fleshpots abroad to the Holy Land, or even if he converted to another religion! Although this balance of power seems obvious to everyone, still it is impossible to wave it in public, because it could arouse blunt reactions from the right, along the lines of: don’t do us any favors, let them leave already…
The leaders of the Religious Zionist camp were educated on the teachings of Rabbi Kook, and they are aware of the fact that without “the Messiah’s donkey,” that is, the secular Zionists, there can be no “beginning of redemption.” So even if their vision regarding the building of the Temple does not exactly match our scale of values, we need to find a way in which we can live together with the Religious Zionists according to our values—until our righteous messiah arrives…
One more important point of clarification: everything I’ve written here applies only in relation to the Religious Zionist sector; the Haredi camp has no interest at all in Zionism.
Since a not insignificant portion of graduates of Religious Zionist education eventually “take off their kippot,” it may be assumed that this public could be a relatively easier target for persuasion and ideological conversion in the direction of compromise on settlement in Judea and Samaria. For such a conversion to be possible, it is essential that the candidate for conversion feel that he is being addressed with the expectation that, as a graduate of religious education, he will be willing to shoulder national tasks even if they are not all that rewarding materially!
But it seems to me that perhaps, with the right presentation of things, it may also be possible to find a way to cooperate with the more messianic wing of national Zionism. The word “perhaps” is there because the secular camp today is not a cohesive camp and has no elevated leaders who could lead it. Perhaps this situation is a hindrance to us, and perhaps דווקא it could challenge the leadership of the Religious Zionist public to formulate a humane, social system of values that would be consistent with the values of the enlightened secular public and with the Religious Zionist public?!

Answer

A., hello.
I think that instead of speaking in generalities, it would be better to raise arguments on the merits. If you have good arguments, many people will be convinced, and that makes the whole discussion unnecessary about whether and how important it is to persuade, and how to present things.
I assume nobody is an idiot, and without arguments you can’t persuade people even if you “present” shared values.
To help you and your friends look for arguments, let me sharpen one more point: in my opinion, the fundamental dispute is not about values but about facts. In my estimation, most of the religious public would be willing to compromise if they were convinced that there was a reasonable chance for a genuine peace, except that their factual assessment is more sober (in my opinion) than that of you and your friends on the left. Therefore, you should look for arguments that deal with reality and not with values. Everyone agrees with the values of peace, equality, tolerance, fraternity, and love of humanity. I assume that a considerable part of the left also shares the view that settlement in the Land is a value and that security is necessary. Therefore, as I said, the main and important discussion is not about values but about reality.

Discussion on Answer

A. (2017-10-09)

Hi Michi,
Thanks for your quick reply, and as for the matter itself:

Without abolishing the right of return, peace with the Palestinians is impossible.
It may very well be that all our activity here needs to be derived from that utopian goal. A goal that raises countless questions and challenges. One thing is clear—with all due respect for determination and the recognition of the necessity of military power and everything that follows from it, that is not enough.
If we compare this goal to a lighthouse—then a reliable lighthouse is not enough; you also need a good ship, fuel, a captain, and a good, skilled crew.
In order to go on living here in the country with the two peoples, we who are in control must show a great deal of empathy, but not go wild…
I’ll give you an example: I tend to say to Bedouins [not that I really get the chance to talk with them], you want to live as you used to live, but do you want to give up the achievements of modern medicine? And the same applies in a variety of fields; of course this is also true with regard to our own Jewish brethren…
How do you translate these lofty goals into the reality of daily life, where there is complete asymmetry between Jews and Arabs, mainly in Judea and Samaria?
Livelihood is very important, but Arab society, more than Jewish society, sanctifies honor.
What do you do?
If we don’t internalize that we are supposed to be the responsible adult here, then really we have nothing to do here.

Michi (2017-10-09)

But even if we internalize that, it doesn’t mean we have a future here. That’s what the dispute is about.

A. (2017-10-09)

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on that point. But I hope we’ll find the inner strength and wisdom to succeed in this struggle!…
Happy holidays.

Michi (2017-10-09)

This isn’t a question of inner strength. When people shoot at you, you die even if you have remarkable inner strength.

A. (2017-10-09)

That’s why I added wisdom!

Michi (2017-10-09)

Are wise people not mortal? Bullets don’t kill them?

A. (2017-10-15)

Escape—as a second option.
My preferred option is to implement Beruriah’s advice to her husband Rabbi Meir, that he should pray concerning the hooligans so that they return from their evil path.
As you know, I’m not into supplicatory prayers, but I do believe it is right to pray to the Holy One, blessed be He, to grant us wisdom that will enable us to change the patterns of thought of the leaders of fanatical Islam,

Michi (2017-10-15)

Fine, so if you pray and get answered, we’ll talk. I assume that in such a situation right-wingers would almost disappear from the land. The problem is that at least for the moment this looks like castles in the air.

A. (2017-10-15)

Hi Michi,
In the Sabbath supplement of Makor Rishon I read a review of Elchanan Shilo’s book, “Existential Judaism.” His thinking impressed me very much, and I wondered whether you know him. Instead of rambling at you, I googled both your names and found several posts from your blog, which of course fascinated me very much, and some of them gave me real pleasure. But of course I’m not going to waste our time on the nonsense of handing out grades. I want to address the relevance of your post on the elevation of the soul of the Labor Party to my article “On Prayer and Recovery.”
I think the survival of the State of Israel depends very heavily on our ability to make the most and the best of every person [including Arabs!] who lives here.
How do we do that when the pie is limited? That’s the trick.
Our devotion, resourcefulness, and creativity have to come into expression here.
And that is precisely the heart of the matter of our commitment to be a chosen people.
To know, and to convey the message, that because of our small numbers, and because of the enemies who aspire to annihilate us, we can [if we indeed desire life!] build a strong and flexible social fabric that will enable us to cope with all the challenges, and no less than that, to serve as a source of inspiration to all the nations and religions around us.
Thus existential necessity will turn us into “a light unto the nations.”
Have a pleasant evening and happy holidays.

Michi (2017-10-15)

I don’t know him, but from what I read in the past about the book, I saw that I completely disagree with everything he says. I really was not impressed (though admittedly I didn’t read the book itself).

You’re taking me into side discussions. I put the factual dispute at the center. Values and creativity belong to stage two, after we decide that these are not suicidal steps.

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