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On Subjective Dimensions in Halakha (Column 374)

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The article argues that not only norms but even facts can receive a subjective status in halakha: there are sources of information that halakha is willing to use only with respect to the person himself, but not in the public-objective sphere. Dreams are the central case, and from them the rabbi moves on to a litigant's admission and to the rule of 'shavya anafshei'.

Why commandments of the heart still are not subjective halakha

The article begins by clarifying what does not count here as subjectivity. Commandments of the heart, intention in conversion and acquisition, and even the mitzvah of Torah study, which is adjusted to each person's abilities, do not create subjective halakha in the strong sense. The obligation is defined by an objective rule — to love, to intend, to study according to one's capacity — and only the implementation varies with the person's condition, just as tithing varies with the crop or a vow with the content chosen by the one who vows. Genuine subjective halakha would be a case in which the halakhic criterion itself depends on the person, and the especially interesting question is whether such a thing exists on the factual plane and not only on the normative one.

The desired novelty: subjectivity דווקא in facts and evidence

Here the article marks its real novelty. In norms one can still imagine person-dependent distinctions, such as priests versus Israelites or men versus women. But in facts, and especially in the law of evidence, we would expect complete uniformity: if a fact has been established, it should bind everyone alike. The article seeks to show that there are exceptions even here, and that dreams are a main gateway to understanding them.

Excommunication in a dream: doubtful heavenly message or an effect on the dreamer

In tractate Nedarim, one who was excommunicated in a dream needs release by ten people, and even if he knows who excommunicated him, that person cannot release him; by contrast, if he was released in the dream, that is not enough. From the plain sense of the Gemara and the Ran, the dream is not sheer nonsense: the excommunication may have come as an agency of Heaven. And yet one cannot rely on a release granted in a dream, because no dream is without idle elements. The article infers from this a complex picture: the dream is neither pure truth nor total falsehood, but a medium in which a true message and random wrapping are mixed. Alongside this, it raises another possibility: perhaps the very need for release does not stem from the dream's objective reliability but from the fact that the dream acts upon the dreamer himself.

Vow, charity, and dream: does the dream express the person's halakhic will

From here the article moves to a vow made in a dream. The Ran holds that one cannot learn from excommunication to vows: excommunication may come from Heaven, but a vow binds only as an act of the waking person, so a dream should not create it. The Rashba, by contrast, required release even for a vow in a dream, and the Tzafnat Pa'neach extended this even to charity, on the assumption that the dream expresses the person's hidden will. The article stresses how difficult this line is: a vow requires not only will but also explicit formulation and speech, and it is unclear how a dream supplies that; it is also unclear why the laws of excommunication in a dream should prove anything about vows. The Rema, at least regarding charity, leans toward the Ran's direction and rejects the dream's validity.

A dream as evidence about ma'aser sheni and a deposit: even impressive precision is inadmissible

In tractate Sanhedrin, the picture changes sharply. A person dreams where his father's money is hidden, how much there is, and is also told that it is ma'aser sheni or belongs to a certain depositor, and afterwards finds exactly what he was told; even then he may not treat the dream as evidence. The Gemara rules: 'the words of dreams neither raise nor lower.' The article emphasizes that the novelty here is especially sharp, because there are strong indications that the dream is reliable. The most natural explanation is that even a dream that proves reliable in part may combine false details: the place and the number may be correct, while the classification as ma'aser sheni or as a deposit is mistaken.

Tashbetz versus Rambam: does a dream generate at least a halakhic doubt

This raises a basic difficulty. If a dream is partly reliable, why does it not even have the status of a doubt in matters of prohibition, so that we would at least be stringent with money said to be ma'aser sheni? The Tashbetz solves this by distinguishing between monetary law and prohibition: a dream really does create doubt, so in prohibitions one must be stringent, whereas in monetary law one does not extract from the party in possession; ma'aser sheni too is read by him as a monetary question. But the Rambam's language is sharper: even when the dream reveals the place of the money for the first time and the details are verified, 'it is not ma'aser' and 'the words of dreams neither raise nor lower.' The article understands that, at least in the Rambam, this is not merely an inability to extract money because of doubt, but a claim that a dream has no objective standing at all.

The article's conclusion: dreams are valid only in halakha's subjective layer

To reconcile the Rambam with his own ruling about excommunication in a dream, the article proposes a different distinction: not between prohibition and money, but between a private domain and a public one. When the dream bears only on the dreamer himself — such as excommunication, and perhaps also vows or charity according to some views — it has a doubtful halakhic standing, and therefore the person himself must take it seriously. But when one seeks to establish by means of it facts in the shared world, facts that affect others or belong to the public sphere, halakha does not recognize it at all, not even as a doubt. This is what the rule 'the words of dreams neither raise nor lower' means: not necessarily that the dream is false, but that halakha assigns it to the subjective layer. Therefore the public is not obligated to treat the dreamer as excommunicated; only the dreamer himself must observe the practices of excommunication and seek release.

Warning in a dream: perhaps a personal message, but not a basis for punishment

From this the article derives an implication regarding a warning received in a dream. Since this is a personal message, one might have thought it carries standing with respect to the person himself, but a court certainly cannot act on it. Even regarding heavenly punishments, the conclusion is qualified: if a definite warning is required, a dream will not suffice, because even in the subjective sphere its standing is only doubtful. For excommunication, doubt is enough to require stringency; for warning, it is not.

A litigant's admission and 'shavya anafshei': real credibility limited to oneself

At the end, the rabbi extends the model to more familiar laws: a litigant's admission and 'shavya anafshei chatikha de-isura'. In both cases the same question arises: if a person is credible about a fact that harms him, why not believe him regarding others as well; and if he is not credible, why does he bind himself? The article proposes seeing these too as genuine but subjective credibility: halakha accepts such sources only with respect to the speaker himself, not because they are necessarily false, but because only objective witnesses determine the public plane. From this it follows that the rule of 'hāv le-acherinei' is not merely a suspicion that he is lying, but a principled boundary of this kind of credibility. Therefore one cannot explain the law literally as a vow, even though there is a resemblance to a vow in the sense that this is a personal halakhic power. At the same time, on the practical level it may still be proper for others to be stringent, just as the testimony of relatives is invalid as a legal instrument but is not necessarily false in reality.

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It is commonly thought that Halakha took shape as a system that relies on objective criteria, meaning criteria that apply to any person in the same situation. If the criteria are met, an obligation, prohibition, or exemption takes effect—and this does not depend on which person is involved. In this column I wish to present halakhic rules whose determining criteria are subjective.

Sharpening the Question: Between Norms and Facts

Despite the above, it is clear that there are halakhot that include a subjective element. For example, all the mitzvot of emotion are mitzvot that address our inner life. In that sense, they are subjective. The commandments to love, for instance, are ostensibly subjective, since they command us to love. Love is a subjective feeling. They impose upon us a duty to love, but each person loves in his or her own way, in forms and intensities that are personally relevant.

But these examples are not relevant to our discussion. First, because in Column 22 I pointed out that, at least according to certain approaches, even these mitzvot focus on objective and practical criteria rather than on the heart (they impose duties of action, not duties of feeling). Beyond that, even if the duty addresses our inner life, that does not mean it is a subjective duty. There is a duty to love a person because he is a fellow Jew, because he is a convert, or a duty to love the Holy One, blessed be He. The realization that takes place in the psyche is, of course, subjective in the sense that it takes place within our inner self, but the duty itself is objective and defined by criteria that do not depend on personality. Everyone is obligated to love his fellow or to love God; only the implementation occurs in the psyche. There is no criterion that in some situation one person is obligated and another is not, or that one person negates a positive commandment and another does not. The halakhic criteria of these mitzvot are not subjective. One might perhaps say that every person has his own way to perform these mitzvot (and even that is not certain), but there is no subjective halakha here in the sense I described above.

There are additional halakhic references to the subjective dimension of the person, beyond mitzvot concerning emotion. Some of them are not mitzvot at all but other halakhic rules. For example, intent to accept the commandments is required in the conversion process; intent is required to effect acquisition in transactions and in betrothal; intent to give charity obligates (“in your mouth”—this is charity); and the like. Yet even in all of these halakhot, although the address is indeed our subjective dimension, the halakhic definitions are objective. To acquire, one needs intent to acquire; to convert, one needs intent to accept the commandments, and so forth. Here, too, the criteria are objective; at most, the realization is subjective (in the sense that it occurs within our inner life).

Consider another example: the mitzvah of Torah study. Ostensibly, this mitzvah is a striking exception (see the end of this article). Based on a contradiction between the sugya in Menachot 99 and the sugya in Berakhot 35b, several later authorities wrote that the mitzvah of Torah study itself is defined differently for each individual. A person must dedicate what he can, within his constraints, to Torah study—but each person is required to a different measure and intensity. A working person is different from a full-time learner; a person whose work takes much time is different from one whose work takes less time; a family man is different from a single person; and similarly regarding the rest of a person’s pursuits (to my understanding, it seems there is even consideration of nonessential pursuits, such as hobbies, and the like). Here it appears that we are no longer addressing only the subjective dimension but the very halakhic definition. The halakhic criteria themselves are subjective (varying from person to person).

But this example, too, is still not what I seek. In the mitzvah of Torah study, the definition is objective, but its implementation varies from person to person. Everyone is required to dedicate what he can, and in that sense the definition is entirely general—only what he “can” do varies from one person to another. This can be compared to the duty to tithe, where it is clear that each person has a different quantity of produce from which he tithes. Still, it is undisputed that this is an obligation whose definitions are objective. The same holds for vows and oaths, where a person can shape prohibitions for himself and upon himself, but the definitions are objective: what Reuven vows binds him. The content of a vow can vary from person to person (similar to the tithing example), but the definition is objective.

In any case, when it comes to norms, one could, in principle, conceive of criteria that depend on the person. There are duties upon priests that do not apply to others, or upon men that do not apply to women. Thus, subjectivity in norms is, in principle, possible. By contrast, when we deal with facts, it seems unlikely to find subjective treatment. Facts are, ostensibly, the same facts with respect to all human beings. A clear example of such a halakhic context is the laws of evidence. Evidence deals with facts, and if a certain fact is accepted, it obligates regardless of who the person is.[1] In this column I wish to argue that even on the factual plane there are halakhic contexts defined subjectively.

Dreams in Halakha

In a paper on Midah Tovah for Parashat Miketz (5757), I discussed the place of dreams in Halakha. The aggadic and philosophical literature elaborates on the meaning of dreams. See, for example, Abarbanel on Parashat Miketz (regarding Pharaoh’s dreams) and the Akedat Yitzchak (Gate 29), and Ein Yaakov on the chapter “HaRo’eh” (Berakhot 59b), which expand on these topics. They distinguish between dreams rooted in bodily causes, such as “digestion of food that raises vapors,” or due to an imbalance of temperament from bodily health—these are false dreams “that have no substance.” However, there are dreams that are instruction and communication from Heaven, of which our Sages said (Berakhot 57b): “A dream is one-sixtieth of prophecy.”[2] And in Maharsha’s Hiddushei Aggadot to Berakhot 55b (s.v. “shekol ha-halomot”), regarding the story of Bar Hedya who interpreted dreams according to his will, he wrote that a person has power to act as seems right in his eyes, and the desires of a person dictate the correct interpretation of dreams. He connects this to the verse (Proverbs 22:9): “He who has a good eye will be blessed.”[3] Our concern here, however, is the status of dreams in Halakha.[4]

Excommunication in a Dream

In the sugya in Nedarim 8a–b it is stated:

Rav Yosef said: If they excommunicated him in a dream—he needs ten people to release him; and [this is when] they teach halakha, but if they teach [only] Mishnah and not halakha—[that] not; and if there are none who teach halakha, even [ten] who teach Mishnah and not halakha; and if there are none, let him go and sit at a crossroads and offer greetings to groups of ten, until he chances upon ten who study halakha. Ravina said to Rav Ashi: If he knows who placed him under the ban, may that person release him? He said to him: To place him under a ban they appointed him an agent; to release him they did not appoint him an agent. Rav Acha said to Rav Ashi: [If] they excommunicated him and [then] released him in his dream—what [is the law]? He said to him: Just as grain cannot be without chaff, so a dream cannot be without idle matters.

And the Ran there writes:

“They excommunicated him in a dream—he needs ten people to release him”—for it is possible that he was excommunicated by agency of the Omnipresent; therefore he needs ten to release him, for the Shekhinah is with them.

In other words, excommunication in a dream requires release just like excommunication by ordinary people. The reason is that it is possible the excommunication occurred by agency of the Omnipresent. It would seem here that the dream is a reliable medium, and therefore an excommunication that occurs within it is like a regular excommunication. If the dream were the result of “digestion of food that raises vapors,” there would be no reason to fear its content. Hence it appears that the dream is an objective medium that God Himself uses to convey messages to us. This is a different sphere of reality itself and not merely a subjective matter.

However, from the plain sense of the Gemara it appears this rule applies only out of doubt—i.e., out of concern that perhaps there was substance to that dream. If so, the dream is not a fully ordinary medium, but at most one of doubtful reliability. Apparently, the doubt in question is precisely whether the dream is a natural event produced by bodily processes—then one should disregard its contents—or whether the dream is a medium through which divine messages from above are conveyed—then one should treat its contents as reliable. Indeed, at the end of the sugya, when discussing the case where the ban was released for him in a dream, the Gemara says the release is invalid, because it is impossible for a dream to be without idle matters. It is clear that there is doubt here, so we fear that the excommunication is reliable, and at the same time we suspect that the release is unreliable.

It thus seems we must temper the conclusion above. The dream is indeed another facet of reality, but not a fully reliable one. It contains true elements as well as false ones. From the plain sense of the Gemara and its commentators it appears that both elements are necessarily present. That is, every dream is composed of the two mechanisms we presented above: bodily events serve the Almighty to convey messages, but those messages are hidden and embedded within a subjective complex that prevents us from drawing unequivocal conclusions from dream events.

This rule is codified in Rambam, Hilkhot Talmud Torah 7:12 (and in the Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De’ah 334:35):[5]

One who was excommunicated in a dream—even if he knows who excommunicated him—requires ten people who study halakhot to release him from his excommunication. If he cannot find [them], he must exert himself after them up to a parasang. If he does not find [ten who study halakhah], those who study Mishnah may release him; if he does not find [them], ten who can read the Torah; if he does not find [them], even ten who cannot read. If he does not find ten in his locale, even three may release him.

Thus far we have dealt with excommunication in a dream. From Rashi cited above we saw that he views the dream as a reliable (or doubtfully reliable) medium; therefore release is required. But it is also possible to understand that the requirement of release reflects recognition of the dream’s impact on the dreamer, and not necessarily of its objective reliability as such. If that is the conception, then the dream is indeed entirely subjective, and the halakhot derived from it are not substantive halakhot, but rather measures to address our subjective problems. Now we will see examples in the realms of prohibitions and monetary law that express a real reliability of the dream.

Vow and Excommunication

The first example concerns a vow in a dream. The Ran on the Nedarim sugya writes:

“Just as grain cannot be without chaff”—as it is written (Jeremiah 23), “He that has [My] word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the straw to the grain?” One must consider whether one who was excommunicated in his dream must observe all the laws of one under a ban. It seems to me that although we say here that one who was excommunicated in his dream requires release, we cannot learn from this that one who vowed in a dream requires release, for here the reason is that we can say he was excommunicated from Heaven, which cannot be said regarding a vow. However, I saw in a responsum of the Rashba (Siman 960) that such a case came before him and he required release.

Ostensibly, according to the logic we presented, there is no place to treat a vow made in a dream, for the vow was made by the person himself, and that certainly does not occur properly in a dream. Indeed, this is the Ran’s view. But the Rashba, whom he cites, holds that even a vow in a dream requires release.

One might think the Rashba holds that God imposed the vow upon the person, and therefore it requires release. That claim entails several halakhic assumptions that are far from simple (can the Almighty impose vows upon us? Perhaps the Nazirite status of Samson is an example), and thus the Ran does not accept it as reasonable. It may be that the Rashba’s intent is that the person in the dream is the one vowing, and it is as if the fully awake person vowed. Here is a third conception of dreams: they are not only divine messages or random products of physiological events, but products of the person’s subconscious thoughts and desires, and as such they express his true will and have halakhic ramifications. This is not a simple conception either, since will is not enough to constitute a vow. One also needs hafla’ah—a decision and a verbal declaration. It seems that speech in a dream is not only an expression of a hidden desire but also of a decision and even of speech itself.

Moreover, it is not clear why the Rashba sees a connection between the rule that excommunication in a dream requires release and the rule that a vow requires release. Excommunication in a dream is a message from God, whereas a vow in a dream is a different mechanism whose reliability does not depend on the dream’s function as a medium for messages from above, but on the person’s will. Even if the conception I described is correct, it is still not clear how one can prove it from the laws of excommunication in a dream.

I once thought to distinguish between the one who excommunicates and the one excommunicated in the dream,[6] namely to assume that the person excommunicated in the dream is not the real person but the figure in the dream; and if the ban takes effect, that means the person in the dream is deemed an authentic expression of the real person, and therefore his excommunication of himself takes effect. According to this, there is room for the Rashba’s inference from the laws of excommunication to the law of vows, since we see from the laws of excommunication that the aims and desires of the person in the dream express the real person’s desires, and thus his vows, too, require release. But all this seems problematic and without source.

Charity

The author of Tzafnat Paneach, in Responsum 200 (also cited in his novellae to Sanhedrin 30a), extends the above rule of the Rashba and rules that if a person vows charity in a dream, that is charity—since it is a vow made in his dream. He refers to the Gemara in Berakhot 55b (see the notes to his novellae there, §189): “R. Yonatan said: A person is shown only what arises from the thoughts of his heart.” That is, he adopts the conception that what a person does in a dream is his own act (expressing his hidden will), as we suggested in explaining the Rashba above. Note that although vows generally require hafla’ah—verbal articulation—to take effect, with respect to charity (as with fasts) there is a rule of “generosity of heart,” whereby firm resolve in the heart also suffices. It seems that the Tzafnat Paneach understands the Rashba’s words in the manner we suggested, that a vow in a dream expresses a person’s true will. One should observe that this appears to run counter to Rema, Yoreh De’ah end of Siman 259, who writes explicitly that in such a case the money is not [deemed] charity, for “the words of dreams neither help nor harm.” The Rema presumably rules like the Ran—that one cannot vow in a dream.[7]

From what has been said thus far it follows that the reliability of the dream, even when it exists, is toward the person himself—both as actor and as subject (vow, excommunication, etc.). What about objective questions? Is the dream a reliable medium in truly objective senses? We must examine this on two planes: (1) with respect to prohibitions that do not depend on a person’s will (unlike a vow or an oath); (2) with respect to the laws of evidence and monetary law, where the ruling and treatment concern other people as well. Both questions are treated in the Sanhedrin sugya, which we shall now examine.

The Dream as Evidence in Issur and in Monetary Law

In Sanhedrin 30a we find (the source of these laws is in the Tosefta, Ma’aser Sheni 5; see also Yerushalmi, Ma’aser Sheni 4:4–6):

[…] If one was distressed about money his father left him, and the “master of the dream” came and said to him: “They are such-and-such [an amount], in such-and-such a place, and they are Ma’aser Sheni funds”—this [case] happened, and they said: The words of dreams neither help nor harm.

A man searched and did not know where were the coins his father had left him (it implies he knew such coins existed and knew his father had left them), and the “master of the dream”[8] came and said they are in a certain place, or that they are Ma’aser Sheni funds. In such a case the Gemara rules that the evidence is inadmissible, for the words of dreams neither help nor harm. The implication is that if the coins were indeed found in the place revealed in the dream, they are not considered his—and of course they are not considered Ma’aser Sheni, but ordinary money.

This is codified in Rambam, Hilkhot Ma’aser Sheni 6:6, and in Hilkhot Zechiyah u’Matanah 10:7, and in the Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat, end of Siman 255. Accordingly, if a person sees in his dream someone revealing to him that Ma’aser Sheni coins of his father are hidden in a certain place, and he indeed finds coins there, he may take them and use them as ordinary money. Likewise, if it is revealed to a person that coins hidden in some place are deposit funds of Reuven deposited with his father, and upon searching coins are indeed found there, that person may take the coins, and there is no proof that they belong to the depositor.

Several later authorities (see Torat Chayim to Sanhedrin there, and Ha’amek She’elah, Parashat Miketz, She’ilta 29, §16; and in fact this is already explicit in the She’iltot there) noted that in the dream scenario here there are strong indications that this dream has substance. It is a case where a man was “distressed” about these coins—i.e., he knows there are Ma’aser Sheni coins and is searching for them—and after the dream revelation he indeed finds the stated amount in that very place. Yet nevertheless the halakha rules that the words of dreams neither help nor harm. Here we have a very clear statement that the dream has no standing in objective halakha, even when it seems manifestly reliable. Why indeed does the dream not constitute evidence in such cases?

At least in these situations, the problem is not the dream’s inherent reliability, for the indicators show it is reliable. But we must recall the rule that a dream cannot be without idle matters. Therefore, even with a dream that is clearly reliable, we fear that some of the particulars involved are incorrect, and thus we cannot rely on all the details. Perhaps the coins are indeed in that place, but the detail that they are Ma’aser Sheni is a corrupted element—the “chaff” mixed into an otherwise reliable dream.

If so, the picture here is the same as we saw above: a dream interweaves elements that are messages from above, but they are wrapped in many random details that are the product of “bodily vapors,” etc., so one cannot know which of the dream’s elements can be relied upon.

What About Doubt in Issur That Should Lead to Stringency?

Note that, as a matter of halakha, we do not even treat this as a doubt that those coins are Ma’aser Sheni. In the monetary context—i.e., in the depositor’s claim against the heir of the deceased depositary—one can say that even where there is doubt we do not give the coins to the depositor, because of the rule: the one who seeks to extract [money] from another bears the burden of proof. But regarding Ma’aser Sheni, the discussion concerns a case of doubtful prohibition, and ostensibly we should be stringent and treat those coins as Ma’aser Sheni, for the general rule is that a doubt in a Torah prohibition is ruled stringently.

It seems, then, that a dream does not even rise to the level of doubt. Anything not demonstrably verified as reliable is assumed to be outright falsehood. Why is that the treatment? As we saw, although there is no dream without idle matters, the indicators here show that there are certainly reliable elements as well. How can one ignore them entirely? I note that above we concluded that a dream has the status of a doubt. If, as we saw here, the content of a dream does not even constitute a doubt of reliability, why does one excommunicated in a dream require release? And why, according to the Rashba, does a vow (and according to the Tzafnat Paneach, charity) in a dream take effect? From the sugya in Nedarim it is clear that a dream has at least the status of a doubt.

The Approach of the Tashbetz and Others: Distinguishing Between Doubt in Monetary Law and Doubt in Issur

The Tashbetz (II, Siman 128) discusses at length the status of dreams. In general, he distinguishes between true dreams transmitted to us by an angel and false dreams transmitted by a demon. He then again distinguishes between dreams sent from above and dreams that are the result of vapors from bodily processes, etc. His conclusion is that a dream is indeed a matter of doubt.

From here he derives that in practice we must distinguish between how we treat a dream in monetary law and how we treat it in prohibitions: in issur we should be stringent, for a doubt in a Torah prohibition is ruled stringently; therefore, excommunication requires release (and if released in the dream it is ineffective). In monetary law, by contrast, we do not extract [money] based on a doubt. So rules as well the author of Yad Malakhi (Klalei HaDinim, rule 167). Regarding Ma’aser Sheni, which ostensibly is a matter of issur, the Tashbetz claims it is a monetary question (not an issur question), and therefore here, too, the halakha requires us to leave the money in its prior status, as it was presumed before the dream. So writes the Ran in his comments to the Sanhedrin sugya—because with Ma’aser Sheni one is removing the funds from private possession to the possession of the Most High.[9]

It is thus clear that according to the Tashbetz, if we are dealing with coins that were hidden and we knew nothing about them, and the “master of the dream” told us that they are Ma’aser Sheni funds, we should be stringent and treat them as Ma’aser Sheni—for there was no prior presumption regarding them (see below for the Rambam’s view of this). The Tashbetz apparently understands that the Gemara deals with a dream that testified about coins in one’s possession, not about hidden coins.[10]

The View of Rambam

But in the Rambam’s view, this cannot be said, for he brings this halakha in Hilkhot Ma’aser Sheni 6:6, and writes as follows:

If they said to him in a dream, “The Ma’aser Sheni of your father that you are seeking is in such-and-such a place”—even though he found there what was told him, it is not Ma’aser [Sheni]; the words of dreams neither help nor harm.

Rambam emphasizes that we have an indication that the dream spoke truth (for after he searched for the coins he found them exactly where the “master of the dream” said they were hidden), and even so the words of dreams neither help nor harm. That is, the “master of the dream” also revealed the place of concealment, and still the coins are deemed ordinary. This is not as the Tashbetz stated. This is also implied from his reasoning (and, indeed, from the Gemara’s own reasoning): we are not dealing with a doubt established on the basis of a presumption, but that the words of dreams have no standing at all. They do not even create a doubt.

Similarly in Hilkhot Zechiyah u’Matanah 10:7, Rambam writes:

If one was distressed about money his father left him and did not know where he hid it, and they said to him in a dream, “They are such-and-such [an amount], in such-and-such a place, and they belong to such-and-such a person, and they are Ma’aser Sheni”—and he found them in the place stated and in the number stated—this occurred, and the Sages said: The words of dreams neither help nor harm.

Thus, in both places we are dealing with coins that were not in his possession but were revealed to him as a result of the dream. In such a case it is difficult to see how any prior presumption could apply to them. I note that the author of Yad Malakhi (Klalei HaDinim, 167), who essentially views dreams as the Tashbetz did, proves from Horayot 13b that even in issur the words of dreams have no standing (see at length in Shdei Chemed, Klalei HaDaled, §45). This accords with the Rambam’s view regarding Ma’aser Sheni.

Therefore, the conclusion that suggests itself is that—at least according to Rambam (and from the plain sense of the Gemara)—dreams have no halakhic standing whatsoever, neither in issur nor in monetary law, and do not even suffice to create a doubt. The Perishah (end of Siman 255) writes similarly. He notes that the Tur omits the case of Ma’aser Sheni, and it seems he learns like the Mordechai, who distinguishes between monetary law and issur; but he writes that Rambam likens Ma’aser Sheni to a deposit. In his words:

It is implied from the Mordechai that only with Ma’aser and charity funds is the law thus, not with a deposit, for that involves robbery of others. [But] in brackets there he [adds]: Yet Rambam, chapter 10 of Zechiyah, also wrote the same regarding deposit funds—as our master [the Tur] wrote.

Subjective Dimensions of Halakha

Yet the question regarding excommunication remains: if according to the Rambam dreams have no standing at all, neither in issur nor in monetary matters, then why is it necessary to release one who was excommunicated in a dream? As we noted above, Rambam himself rules thus in Hilkhot Talmud Torah. It seems, then, that Rambam does not distinguish between monetary law and issur, but another distinction applies—between excommunication in a dream and testimony in a dream about Ma’aser Sheni or a deposit. What accounts for this distinction? How is excommunication different from Ma’aser Sheni, which is also a matter of issur?[11]

It seems that excommunication is an exceptional case, for its consequences concern only the dreamer himself. In such a case the dream has standing—at least out of doubt—so the person must be concerned about what occurred in his dream. By contrast, in any matter that concerns others—not necessarily monetary (for example, the fact that the coins are Ma’aser Sheni concerns others halakhically as well, since there are things others are forbidden to do with those coins)—the dream has no standing at all, not even as a doubt. The reason is not lack of reliability in the dream (for, objectively, we saw its status is that of a doubt, and this is also evident from Rambam’s ruling about excommunication in a dream). The reason is that in the objective dimension of Halakha—its public domain—dreams have no standing. Dreams, even if highly reliable, by their very definition belong only to Halakha’s subjective dimension. The novelty is that even when the dream is reliable and makes clear statements about reality, we do not heed it. That is the meaning of the rule: “The words of dreams neither help nor harm.”[12]

Another interesting implication of this is warning (hatra’ah) that a person receives in his dream. Ostensibly this is a personal matter, and therefore the dream has halakhic standing and the warning would be valid. On the other hand, it seems a court could not act upon it (there, too, he would not be believed to say he received a warning, both because a single witness is not believed in this and because he renders himself wicked). And what about heavenly punishments? It is not clear whether warning is required for heavenly punishments (for warning was given only to distinguish between inadvertent and deliberate transgression, and the Almighty knows what is in a person’s heart), but some views hold it is. Assuming so, it seems that warning in a dream would be valid, since it concerns only the person himself. Indeed, in Kli Chemdah, Parashat Vayera, §4, this topic is discussed at length (see there why warning would be required for heavenly punishments at all), and he explains that the warning is invalid only because a dream necessarily includes idle elements. In our terms: the dream is valid in the subjective dimension, but even there its standing is doubtful. For excommunication, a doubtful status suffices to be stringent; for warning, a definite warning is required, not a doubtful one.[13]

Further Halakhic Examples: Admission of a Litigant and “Shavya Anafshei

Above we saw subjective dimensions in Halakha in the contexts of vows and oaths and the like. All these are essentially different from what we saw in Rambam’s view regarding dreams. In the law of dreams we saw that the dream has subjective standing even where its objective reliability exists. Although we are dealing with a fact, we do not take it into account in the public–objective sphere. One might analogize this to the rule of shavya anafshei chatichah de’issura, whereby a person is believed to testify about something so long as the consequences are only for himself. A woman who comes and testifies that she is a married woman is not believed regarding others (for she is a single witness and a woman), but regarding herself we treat it as an issur—she herself becomes forbidden to marry by virtue of that testimony. Ostensibly, whether she is married is a factual question. If we have concluded she is not married, why should she herself be forbidden by virtue of her testimony? And if she is believed that she is married, why should we not believe her regarding other implications that concern others? Later authorities have dealt with this question, but let us first raise a similar question arising from the credibility of a litigant’s admission.

When a person testifies against himself, he is believed like one hundred witnesses (see Kiddushin 65b and parallels). For example, if a person says he owes so-and-so 100 shekels, he is believed like one hundred witnesses. What does “like one hundred witnesses” mean? In Halakha, one hundred have no advantage over two (two are like one hundred). It seems the Gemara intends that he is indeed more believed than two witnesses (and even more than one hundred). Thus, for example, if there are two witnesses against his admission (they say he does not owe), he nevertheless must pay the sum he admitted to. But there is a limitation on the credibility of a litigant’s admission. When it is “to the detriment of others” (chav le’acheirinei; see Ketubot 19a and parallels), meaning his admission has consequences that obligate other people, he is not believed. Again, the same difficulty arises: if factually he is believed that he borrowed, why not accept his testimony with all its consequences? And if he is not believed, why is he himself obligated to pay?

Here, to be sure, there seems to be a good explanation. A person’s credibility to obligate himself is based on the logical assumption that a person does not lie in order to obligate himself. People lie to gain, not to lose. But when he harms others, there is concern he is lying in order to harm them (like any litigant or witness suspected of lying for gain). But this cannot resolve the difficulty, for an admission that harms others is an admission that, first and foremost, obligates himself—only that it also has ramifications for others. If it obligates him, then clearly he is not lying. If so, from our perspective this is reliable testimony; why then should we not accept it regarding others as well?[14]

Admission of a Litigant and “Shavya Anafshei” as Subjective Halakhot

I wish to propose an explanation to these difficulties in terms of subjective halakha. The person is indeed believed in his admission, and he is also believed to obligate himself in issurim (for a person does not lie to harm himself; this is true as well of the shavya anafshei rule). But as we saw with dreams, there are certain sources from which—even if we extract reliable facts—we use them only with respect to the person himself and not with respect to the objective world. A fact drawn from a dream, from the person’s own admission, or from his taking an issur upon himself is accepted only regarding himself. It has subjective force. Not because the source is unreliable or the fact is untrue, but by definition it belongs to the subjective sphere. Halakha does not allow us to use such sources in the public–objective domain.

In Column 306, I explained the credibility of a litigant’s admission according to Mahari Beirav in a similar manner. It is commonly understood from his words that, because of the difficulties I described, he argues that a litigant’s admission is not credibility but a vow: the person vows to give money to so-and-so and is not believed that he owes him. That formulation, as stated, is certainly incorrect. It cannot be said, for he certainly did not intend to vow; there is no vow without intent to vow. In addition, that interpretation of his words faces unanswerable difficulties. I therefore suggested there that his intent is that, because a person can vow to give the money, he can also accept credibility (this is credibility by virtue of “it is within his power”—be-yado). Here I add and explain further: the credibility truly exists even according to Mahari Beirav, but because it is founded on the person’s own ability to do something (“be-yado”), it grants him credibility only with respect to himself. It is subjective credibility, and only in that sense he compared it to a vow.

A similar discussion arises concerning the rule of shavya anafshei (see, for example, Ketzot HaChoshen 34:4, who also likens it to a litigant’s admission). There, too, due to the same problems, some view it as a kind of vow rather than credibility—but the difficulties with that interpretation are similar. It is clear that a woman who says she is a married woman did not intend to vow an issur upon herself, but to testify; therefore, one cannot say it obligates her as a vow. It is clearly credibility, yet it does not apply to others. My contention is that it is indeed credibility, but it belongs to the subjective sphere. Only facts based on the testimony of objective witnesses are accepted in court. Facts extracted from the statements of the litigants themselves have only subjective force.

Beyond resolving the difficulties that arise against the view that does not see this as credibility, there are further implications. For example, the principle that when it is “to the detriment of others” there is no credibility does not stem from the concern that he lies to harm others (as is commonly explained), but simply because the credibility exists only with respect to himself. Theoretically, even if there were a case where the testimony concerns others but does not actually harm them, it may still be that there would be no credibility. Beyond that, it seems there is certainly reason to be stringent and not marry that woman, even though with respect to me she has no credibility that she is a married woman. The fact is that she is a married woman—only that, halakhically, I am not required to accept that fact. But clearly, if in reality she is married, it is appropriate to refrain from relations or from marrying her. It may even be a halakhic obligation to be stringent, since with respect to me her statement at least creates a doubt that she is a married woman. I do not accept it as testimony, but it creates a state of doubt (for it is credibility, and thus, even for me, reality is as she says).

This is somewhat similar to the disqualification of testimony by relatives. There, too, it emerges from the Gemara and the poskim that the issue is not concern for their reliability but a scriptural decree. If so, when two relatives come and testify about something, reality is indeed as they say—but we are not obligated to accept it as such, because it is based on the testimony of relatives. If two relatives come and testify that a woman is married, I am under no obligation to accept their testimony. Is it reasonable that I could now marry her? The testimony of relatives is reliable; there is only a scriptural decree not to accept it. If so, in reality she is married, and therefore it follows that I ought (or at least have reason) to be stringent. Indeed, I have already noted that the disqualification of a person to testify and judge in his own case (the disqualification of a party to the case) is a particular instance of the disqualification of relatives (as emerges from Responsa Ritva, Siman 52).[15]

[1] Of course, different halakhic contexts require evidence of different kinds and strengths (one witness or two, a migo to extract, etc.), but that relates to the difference between halakhic truth and factual truth. If there is clear factual truth, it will be recognized as such and will obligate in every context (there are those who disagree, but this is my view).

[2] See also Margaliyot HaYam, Sanhedrin 30a, §7, and the Tashbetz cited below, who wrote similarly. By contrast, see Sefer Chassidim (ed. R. Margaliyot), §444.

[3] See also Responsa Rashba I, Siman 408; examine there carefully.

[4] For comprehensive surveys, see Shdei Chemed—Klallim, system 4, rule 45; Divrei Yatziv, Yoreh De’ah, Siman 122; Margaliyot HaYam, Sanhedrin 30a, §7; Pardes Yosef, Parashat Miketz; Kli Chemdah, Parashat Vayera, §4, and the sources cited there.

[5] Rema there disagrees with the possibility of permitting with three.

[6] See my discussions of Ron Aharoni’s distinction between the human being as subject and as object, discussed in Columns 157158, 367, and elsewhere.

[7] Note that the Rema ostensibly does not address whether there is hafla’ah here. But if we pay attention, he is not dealing with one who vowed in a dream, but with one who was told in a dream that some funds had already been pledged in the past to charity (and there, there was hafla’ah). In that situation, the sole question is the dream’s reliability, and on that he says that a dream cannot be without idle matters.

[8] See Margaliyot HaYam there, §7, who cites several interpretations of “the master of the dream”: the minister in charge of dreams, or the person concerned (and in Tashbetz II, Siman 128, he raises the possibility that it was someone else who dreamt, and he is called “the master of the dream”).

[9] See the discussion in Kli Chemdah, Parashat Vayera, §4.

[10] In Responsa Divrei Yatziv, Yoreh De’ah, Siman 122, he elaborates on the law of dreams, scrutinizes the language of the early authorities, and shows, for each, how the case is situated (some set it in various doubtful circumstances; others set it in situations where the coins had a prior presumption). His conclusion is that the matter remains in doubt. He proves this as well from the Tur (Choshen Mishpat, end of Siman 255) and the Mordechai (Bava Batra, ch. 1, end of Siman 458), and it seems he learned thus even in Rambam. Likewise, Kli Chemdah (Parashat Vayera, §4) explains the Rashba’s responsum cited above in the Ran.

[11] The author of Shivat Tzion, Siman 52, explains that with excommunication in a dream we are concerned even for a remote matter, for chamira sakanta mei-issura (danger is more severe than prohibition). He explains that excommunication is not an obligation upon the community but an expression of an indictment that exists against him in Heaven; therefore, he requires release.

[12] One implication of our analysis is that excommunication in a dream does not obligate the public to treat him as excommunicated; it only obligates him to observe the laws of one under a ban (similar to mourning; see Rambam, Hilkhot Talmud Torah, ch. 7). The excommunication requires release only to free the person himself from his obligations, but society is not at all meant to act based on what arises in an individual’s dream—even concerning that very dreamer himself. We stress that the community’s exemption from the practices of excommunication toward the dreamer does not stem from his lack of credibility to testify about the excommunication that appeared in his dream, for in matters of issur even a single witness is valid, and even if he is a party to the case. The exemption stems from the fact that even if his testimony is true, excommunication in Reuven’s dream does not concern—certainly does not obligate—the actions and attitudes of Shimon, even Shimon’s attitudes toward Reuven (the dreamer) himself. This also emerges from Shivat Tzion, Siman 52, who explains that with excommunication in a dream we are concerned even for a remote matter, for chamira sakanta mei-issura. He assumes there that excommunication is not an obligation upon the community but an expression of an indictment in Heaven; therefore, release is required.

[13] One might note the rule that warning by a demon (murtar min pi shed) is, in practice, valid warning (see Bavli, Makkot 6b). See this at the end of the aforementioned Kli Chemdah.

[14] Some have wished to explain that when it harms others there is concern he wishes to take revenge on them and is thus willing to suffer himself in order to make others suffer—like “let me die with the Philistines.” But this explanation is forced.

[15] See all this in my Migo Monograph.

Discussion

Tulginus (2021-03-04)

A. You said that in the public domain, with dreams, the facts are indeed reliable and nevertheless in practice we do not take them into account; and this is similar to a litigant’s admission and to shavya anafshei, where the facts are not reliable and yet in practice we do take them into account, so long as this does not conflict with existing law. But this reasoning regarding dreams is not simple, for if a fact is true then it is true, so why should the context of disclosure matter? Therefore strong proofs are needed. But no such proofs have appeared. Excommunication is a special matter in which Heaven is involved, and it is not a question of reliability; and regarding other matters, for Rambam a dream is nothing at all. For Tashbetz, a dream is doubtful in every matter (including objective ones). The wording of Rashba in that responsum there seems truncated at the beginning, and perhaps he only treats it like something that can be permitted and no more than that (he did not say that the vow takes effect, only that it requires annulment).

B. Perhaps another example of subjectivity is your view regarding autonomy in halakhah. I seem to recall that you wrote two novel points about this. 1) A person acts according to his own conclusion, 2) even if, in truth, he would bet that he is mistaken because all the decisors disagree with him. Point 2 is subjective halakhah par excellence. For everyone knows he is mistaken, and even he himself, in truth, knows this—except that for himself he has special halakhot according to his own analysis of the sugyot. (Incidentally, for myself, the conclusion that has settled in me is that for point 2 no proof was brought and there is no logical reason to accept it. A person acts according to his conclusion if he thinks that when Elijah comes he will agree with him, and if so this is not a matter of subjectivity).

To Awaken to Repentance and Good Deeds — No Verification Needed (2021-03-04)

With God’s help, 20 Adar 5780

It seems that when a dream awakens a person to repentance and good deeds, halakhah tends to take the dream into account, since the awakening to repentance and good deeds that grows out of the dream is always a good thing. What difference does it make whether this dream was a hint from Heaven or merely ‘from bodily happenings’? The main thing is that we used the dream as a spur to improve our ways and our deeds, and that is always good—of course, ‘not in the nerves’ 🙂

Regards, Menashe Fischl HaLevi Zuchmir

Michi (2021-03-04)

A. In the case of a litigant’s admission and shavya, in my opinion the facts are indeed reliable, and nevertheless we do not make use of them (with respect to others).
As for dreams, of course that is not the most obvious conception. That is why I wrote what I wrote. Rambam says that a dream is nothing in a situation where it is clear that the dream is in fact reliable (there are clear indications of this in reality). That itself is the proof for my claim about Rambam’s position. And the law of shavya and a litigant’s admission are further support for the matter. The accumulation of cases itself strengthens the thesis.

B. That is interesting, but on second thought in my opinion it is a different issue. If we were searching for the truth and nevertheless ignored the true halakhic conclusion, that would be a good example. But in my understanding, over there we are not looking for the truth but for the autonomous truth (my truth). It is a weighting of truth plus the value of autonomy.
As for the criterion of what Elijah would say if he came: the case of Rabbi Meir, whose rulings were not accepted because they could not penetrate to the depth of his reasoning, is a counterexample. If Rabbi Meir was such a genius, then presumably when I disagree with him, he is the one who is right. Note well: even I myself admit this (for the statement that they could not penetrate to the depth of his reasoning is a statement of other sages, not his own). And nevertheless they do not rule like him, and in my understanding this is because of the value of autonomy. For in such a case, if Elijah came, presumably even I understand that he would say like Rabbi Meir.
Incidentally, the rule “It is not in heaven” says exactly this: we follow my truth even if it is clear that it is not the real truth (from Heaven’s perspective).

n (2021-03-04)

But unlike the woman who testifies about herself that she is a married woman, as far as I know, a priest’s wife who tells her husband that she was raped is forbidden to him, unless he thinks she is deliberately lying in order to get divorced. In other words, it may be that the woman’s subjective claim does obligate another person as a matter of law…

n (2021-03-04)

Likewise, a woman who tells her husband that she saw blood—he does not have to see it himself.

Michi (2021-03-04)

That is unrelated. One witness is believed in matters of prohibition. When we are speaking about subjective credibility, that is only in contexts that require testimony (two witnesses).

n (2021-03-04)

A priest’s wife who testifies that she was raped receives her ketubbah.

Tulginus (2021-03-04)

Indeed, I was mistaken in what I wrote—that in your view, in a litigant’s admission the facts are not reliable. After reading, I drifted off into my own thoughts and disconnected from the explicit statements. To continue the questions I need to elaborate, and I will divide them into sub-sections, though on further thought they are intertwined. Forgive me that my time ran out and I did not manage to think further and perhaps sharpen things more (or realize that I am mistaken, etc.). Everything revolves around the point that the innovation seems a very great and astonishing one, such that to bear it one needs at least several thick, solid verses and explicit sugyot, and these are nowhere to be found. Regarding autonomy (section B), I wrote separately, but I will send it later, since the length here is enough for now. In any case, perhaps long questions allow short answers.

A1. No one knows better than you, master of this teaching, that halakhah does not deal and cannot deal with facts, only with norms. Therefore one must define carefully what is meant by saying that the facts are correct and nevertheless we do not take them into account. We know the facts on our own, and halakhah tells us that these coins of second tithe, although they are second-tithe coins, may be used as ordinary money. Is it that both the essence and the commandment are gone, and now the person is entirely permitted, like nullification in a majority? Or does the element of essence remain, but in wondrous fashion the element of command evaporates (about this I will write more below in section A2)? Or does even the command remain, but the person is not considered to have transgressed it (as in an unintentional violation, according to your view)?
If someone treated these coins as ordinary money, then if they are second-tithe coins he has stumbled in a prohibition (he has damaged the eternity within splendor, in the phrase I heard from you not long ago), so what does halakhah now tell him—that it is permitted to him although in fact it is forbidden to him? Or that it is permitted to him like eating an apple? The definition is simply blurry. You referred briefly to the idea that it is proper to refrain from marrying the woman who said, “I am a married woman,” even though we do not live by her word. But it is still unclear to me.

A2. Rabbi Shimon says that even in a place where the Torah innovated that a doubt is treated leniently, such as doubtful mamzer status, it still means that one who encounters the prohibition has stumbled, and by logic one should be careful as with all doubts; however, here there is “a great and very wondrous innovation, but we have no room to be clever about it, for it is a scriptural decree” (Shaarei Yosher 1:7). True, one must think a great deal about these matters, but just see how deeply he felt the great strangeness in this matter. And he only arrived at this because overwhelming proofs compelled him; he did not suspend it in midair in the Temple courtyard. Therefore every possible device should be used to avoid such an innovation—how much more so here, where one does not need to exert oneself very much, as follows.

A3. Had you not arisen anew in Israel, what would we have understood? We would have understood that one can detach from the facts and be stringent, but not lenient. It is possible to say that we do not believe at all that the piece is a forbidden piece, but we will compel him to behave according to his own words as though he had credibility. And even regarding witnesses, halakhah did not say as a fact that the witnesses are right, but only instructed us to act as though they are right. Whether they are actually right or not—that is already a law for the messianic era. Therefore with dreams, where detachment from the facts serves leniency, the plain old understanding is that we simply do not believe the dream at all, and the indications are insufficient. That is the “ordinary” conception our fathers told us.
And what are the proofs you brought against this? One proof is that there is an indication that the dream is indeed reliable. And the plausible answer to that is that just as one does not establish a presumption from one dream to another in the same person, so too one does not establish from one detail to another within the same dream, because the dream is only a collection of separate details with nothing gathering them together; therefore the indication means nothing. And whatever is true in the dream we attribute to the fact that somehow he knew it and forgot. Just as under hypnosis one sometimes recalls things one did not know one knew, and together with them also “remembers” things that never existed. A second proof is that excommunication in a dream is treated at least as a doubt. But that is only in excommunication, which is a matter unto itself in which Heaven is involved, and therefore specifically there we suspect that it came from Heaven. And these are Rambam’s own words regarding dreams.
As for the accumulation of cases from a litigant’s admission and shavya—that works, as you wrote, only according to your innovation that they are indeed reliable (that is, your innovation that halakhah instructed here that even one who believes them may behave as though he does not believe them? Exactly what the halakhic component here is, as distinct from the factual component, is still not fully clear to me). But only you understand it that way. Nobody thinks so (at any rate I do not) as a factual matter that this shavya anafshei is especially reliable, because there are a thousand strange reasons for a person to make things up and make mistakes, and one has to observe and discern whether people truly believe with all their heart those parties to a matter and those who declare themselves a forbidden object. But halakhah says that we compel him to act according to his own words. And one who does believe this person is indeed forbidden to eat the piece. But to innovate a normative rule that one must act as if he is in fact credible—the halakhah does not do that. And this is not strange or astonishing, and there is no halakhah here that creates a leniency to act against the known reality that something is forbidden. Hence it is not comparable to a dream. I have repeated myself here and also added nothing to what is explicit in the Tur, so as to exclude and innovate against it; and if there is no need to respond to this again, so be it. But what can I do—without repeated explanation I am apparently not persuaded.

A4. Incidentally, true prophecy also sometimes comes in a dream [in many places “a prophet” and “a dreamer of dreams” are mentioned together, and even with Abraham at the covenant between the pieces, a deep sleep fell upon him. And in Jeremiah (chapter 31) he writes a prophecy, “Thus says the Lord of Hosts,” etc., and concludes, “Upon this I awoke and saw, and my sleep was sweet to me.” Meaning, in the plain sense, he saw all this in a dream and understood that it was prophecy]. Therefore it seems logical that if one dreams about the future and it comes true like prophecy, we judge that the entire dream is true and prophetic, and the prophet is a true prophet and may issue temporary rulings, etc. In other words, a dream about the future that was fulfilled is indeed an indication of general reliability. But a dream about the past can always be attributed to the possibility that he learned it somehow and forgot. In your opinion, does prophecy in a dream that is verified under all the necessary conditions make the prophet a true prophet who can issue temporary rulings?

A5. A request beyond the strict line. I saw Rashba responsum no. 668 only here https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14649&st=&pgnum=272 and I fear the text is defective. At the beginning he says “even,” and it is not clear what it refers back to. Nor does he mention the obvious issue of excommunication in a dream. And it seems he does not bring proof that a vow made in a dream requires annulment, but only proof that if one annuls it before Heaven one should annul it before ten people. And he says nothing about why one really needs to annul it (therefore it seems to me that this is merely a slight concern, like something that has a permissible solution. But if he cannot annul it, he need not be concerned at all). Perhaps you have another text, and perhaps it is more corrected?

Michi (2021-03-04)

A1. That is not plausible. The obligation to treat them as second-tithe coins stems from the fact that they are second-tithe coins. If halakhah recognized them as such, there would also be an obligation. Halakhah indeed deals with norms and not with facts, but clarification of the facts is the basis for the halakhic ruling. Just as a court clarifies the facts and then rules on the law. Its factual determination has binding halakhic status.

A2. I did not understand. But perhaps it will become clear below.

A3. Very implausible. If there are details in the dream that indicate reliability, one cannot say that the other details are as if they never existed. At most there is room to doubt them, but clearly one cannot decisively determine that they are not to be considered. Note that I am not saying one establishes from one detail to another, only that one remains doubtful regarding the second detail.
Why should halakhah force a person to behave according to incorrect facts just because he said them? That seems to me outright absurd. Because of this, Mahariv ben Lev came and proposed a mechanism of a vow, but about that we both agree that it makes no sense. What remains is my own proposal.

A4. Prophecy in a dream that is verified certainly makes him a prophet, at least as a matter of doubt, as above.

A5. I am not currently immersed in the matter. It is in the Responsa Project:
Question: If someone vowed in a dream, in the presence of many, that he would not eat in a certain house until a certain time—does this require release like other vows vowed while awake, and must it be released? Or since he vowed in the presence of many, can it be released even not for the sake of a mitzvah, and before three like other vows, or not?
Answer: This matter, even with oaths and vows, nevertheless a simple release before three, as with ordinary vows, suffices. And in tractate Berakhot (55b) we learned: One who sees a dream and his soul is distressed because of it should go and have it interpreted before three who love him. And I saw in the responsa of the Geonim, of blessed memory, that they were asked about one who swore or vowed in a dream. And he answered: They bring ten men who know how to read and who show him mercy, and they release him from his vow with regret, as one who vowed and swore while awake. And he brings proof from that which we say (Yoma 86b): One who sinned against his fellow and the latter died brings ten men and stands over his grave, and says, “I have sinned against the Lord, God of Israel, and against this person,” and all of them answer, “Forgiven to you,” three times. And it is proper for every person to conduct himself this way.

Tulginus (2021-03-04)

I will think more.
A2. In my view this is an exact parallel from Rabbi Shimon’s words to the principle in your claim that halakhah tramples objective facts. But perhaps I did not correctly understand the juristic relation you are presenting between objective facts, halakhic facts, and halakhic norms. In any case, it is found here, beginning with the words “However” https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20983&st=&pgnum=33&hilite=
A5. Thank you. That is exactly the same text (which seems strange to me). Apparently that is what there is.

Tulginus (2021-03-04)

A3. Shavya anafshei. It is absurd that halakhah would force one person to behave stringently according to incorrect facts just because he said them, but it is not absurd that halakhah would allow all other people to behave leniently according to incorrect facts just because they were revealed through some particular tortuous route? Please bring that a bit closer to reason for me.

And although you wrote and repeated, I still do not understand what the halakhic instruction is here either. If these really are second-tithe coins, then it is still forbidden to treat them as ordinary, and halakhah is not innovating a permission here. Is it innovating a prohibition? What would we do without this halakhah (that dreams have no standing), and what do we do differently now? Is this supposed to affect the behavior of God-fearing people, or only the enforcement of the court? It somewhat surprises me that this is not explained in the Tur—is it really so obvious, simple, and easy?

A5. There is no practical difference, but since it came up, it came up. I received a photograph of the Machon Yerushalayim edition; there it is more corrected, and in particular one sentence is added at the beginning: “[These matters were not said in the Gemara except regarding one who was excommunicated in a dream, but as a mere concern I am concerned for extra caution—even regarding oaths and vows].”

The Laws of Evidence Came to Clarify When There Is Doubt (to Tulginus) (2021-03-04)

With God’s help, 21 Adar 5780

To Tulginus — greetings,

Regarding the rationale of ‘shavya anafshei’—

It seems one can explain that there is evidence in the category of ‘signs’ and there is ‘visual recognition.’ A person’s certainty that this is what happened, even though he cannot define what his proofs are, but he has a clear and certain impression that this is what happened.

In such a case he is believed because of ‘he has made himself a forbidden object,’ for the rules of evidence are required for one who is in doubt, not for one to whom the matter is clear. This is not so when ruling for others, who have no clear knowledge—there one must act according to defined evidentiary rules.

Regards, Yaron Fischl Ordner

Tulginus (2021-03-05)

Well said.
But if the matter is clear to him, then from his own standpoint it is forbidden to him even without the law of shavya. If a man says to a woman, “I betrothed you,” he is forbidden to her relatives—I understand that this does not mean that they are innovating that from his own standpoint he is forbidden to her relatives (for that he knows on his own if he is telling the truth); rather, it means that the court compels him to separate from her relatives even though the court itself knows nothing on its own. But to compel the whole world to behave as if the woman is a married woman—there is no reason to do that, because in truth there is not sufficient reason to believe him.
What would we do if there were no such law of shavya? Would we say: after all, he is not believed, and therefore the woman is single and permitted to the world, and we also would not interfere if he wished to permit himself with her relatives, because we assume that indeed he is permitted—and then halakhah came and innovated that we do interfere with him (halakhah stringently for him)? Or would we say that he is in fact believed by us, and therefore the woman is a married woman and forbidden to everyone, and he is forbidden to her relatives, and we would also interfere if he wished to permit himself with her relatives—and then halakhah came and innovated that even though he is believed and we know the woman is married, we will nevertheless conduct ourselves as if she were single (halakhah leniently for the world)?

Michi (2021-03-05)

Halakhah obligates him to act according to the facts because they are correct. Others are permitted to ignore them because they have the right not to accept the facts if their source is the person himself.

I did not understand the question. There is permission to eat them in his place (not in Jerusalem). As for the question whether there is reason to be stringent—perhaps yes, but there is no halakhic obligation. Another formulation: he has the right not to accept these facts if he does not believe them.

Tulginus (2021-03-05)

Others are allowed to violate prohibitions that are still prohibited to them. If that is not an oxymoron, then I am slow of understanding.

Michi (2021-03-05)

?? Is that addressed to me?

Tulginus (2021-03-05)

A general expression of frustration.

Tulginus (2021-03-05)

Incidentally, above (regarding doubtful mamzer status being treated leniently) you wrote, “perhaps it will become clear below.” Did you mean that a follow-up post is expected? (Or was I supposed to understand it from the continuation of the answer, or some other meaning?)

Michi (2021-03-05)

I wrote that I do not understand, but perhaps by reading your later sections it would become clear to me.

His Testimony Obligates Himself (to Tulginus) (2021-03-05)

With God’s help, Friday eve of Ki Tisa, 5781

To Tulginus — greetings,

The rule of ‘shavya anafshei chatikha de-isura’ says that even if he retracts his earlier testimony—for example, if he claims that today he is no longer as certain as he was before that this is what happened—we follow his first testimony, just as with witnesses, “a witness cannot go back and testify differently.”

But regarding others, his initial testimony is not accepted, since two witnesses are required and testimony must be accepted in court, etc. When a person testifies regarding himself—he is the witness and the judge regarding himself, and what he testified and ruled regarding himself cannot be nullified. But regarding others he can neither testify nor rule.

And relevant to this week’s Torah portion: just as in testimony that obligates others, a single individual is only “half a witness,” since everywhere that “witness” is stated it means two witnesses—so too in the construction of the Tabernacle, the individual is only a “half” that requires joining and completion with another.

With blessings for a good Shabbat, Yaron Fischl Ordner

Tulginus (2021-03-06)

[I am not used to leaving here without understanding, so I ask to continue clarifying. I am opening this in a separate place because the other one has already become nested and cramped.]
What do you mean regarding dreams:
Option A. Even one who believes in the correctness of the dream (at least as a doubt) is permitted to ignore it. A positive innovation of halakhah in this case.
Option B. Only one who does not believe in the correctness of the dream (not even as a doubt) is permitted to ignore it. Like one deaf-mute, an imbecile, or a minor as a witness in matters of prohibition. Halakhah merely did not grant the dream the seal that it grants two witnesses (at least as a matter of doubt).

Michi (2021-03-06)

Both possibilities exist. I raised the second as an additional possibility. In my estimation, one who believes the dream ought not ignore it, even if there is no full halakhic obligation in this.

Tulginus (2021-03-06)

So I am discussing the first. You are saying that one who believes the dream (for example, you, if such a dream came before you—you said that clearly there is at least a doubt here even about details that were not verified) is still permitted to ignore it and there is no full halakhic obligation here. In other words, he thinks the coins are second tithe, say with a 50% likelihood, but because it came from a dream he may ignore it. But if he came to that same factual estimate of 50% by some other route (one pile of coins out of two piles is second tithe; or an example without an established prohibition), then he would not be allowed to ignore it, and he would have a full halakhic obligation to act according to the rules of doubt. Did I understand correctly? (I hope I did not understand correctly.)

Michi (2021-03-06)

I am sorry to disappoint your hope. You understood correctly.

Tulginus (2021-03-07)

He is allowed to ignore it, but if it really is second tithe then he has stumbled in a prohibition, yes? Not that it is permitted to him and allowed like nullification in a majority.

Michi (2021-03-07)

I think the formulation is like those Torah-level matters whose doubt is treated leniently—but overseas orlah, mamzer status, impurity in the public domain, and the like. And as is known, Ran in Kiddushin wrote that one may cause someone else to stumble even in such a definite prohibition (because for the person who stumbles it is only a doubt).
Here too one may ask: but what if in fact he is a mamzer? In fact it is orlah? In fact he is impure? This was permitted under the laws of doubts as applied to the person. That does not mean the prohibition of the object itself has been nullified.
Although there is no practical difference, and I am not sure these are really two different possibilities. If it is permitted to me, then there is no prohibition. The question is whether there has been a change in the object itself. Who says there is any such thing in the object itself?! If in fact it is second tithe, then he ate second tithe, but there is no prohibition here.
If there is something in the object itself, then perhaps there is room for the claim that it is proper to be stringent even though there is no halakhic obligation to be stringent.

Tulginus (2021-03-07)

To say that with dreams “the very substance of the prohibition is turned into permission” is an excessive novelty (and then dreams really do “bring things down”). According to the one who says that a Torah-level doubt is treated leniently, then the whole stringency in cases of doubt is based on rational logic—not to stumble upon the prohibited object. And if so, regarding these second-tithe coins before us, the logic remains exactly the same, that it is not worthwhile to stumble into a prohibition. Since the very prohibition has not been transformed into permission, I do not understand (personally) what sense it makes to come and say there is permission here.

I will quote Rabbi Shimon’s words for the sake of the issue, because his words too are beyond my understanding, and my heart tells me that in the end you and he are aiming at the same thing (Shaar 1, ch. 7, s.v. “However”):
“However, according to what has become clear in our words, that even where the Torah explicitly permitted doubts, the prohibition was not transformed into permission; rather the Torah only said that a person may do so, to place himself into possible stumbling, even though if he does encounter the prohibition he will incur some punishment—for this reason, in all prohibitions where the law of doubts was not explicated in the Torah either for prohibition or permission, certainly every person ought to be concerned for himself and separate from the doubt, just as with possible danger… And even though the Torah did not specially warn about this, to fear lest one stumble into prohibition, reason decrees so, just as every person guards himself against every possible harm even without a Torah warning.
If so, what the Torah revealed to us in three places—regarding doubtful impurity in the public domain, doubtful mamzer status, and doubtful orlah outside the Land—that we are permitted and entitled to be lenient and not fear lest we stumble into prohibition, even though if we do stumble into the prohibition then even in these three prohibitions we will require atonement, nevertheless we are allowed ab initio to act this way. This is truly a great and very wondrous innovation, but we have no room to be clever about it, for it is a scriptural decree,” etc.

I have not merited to understand the oxymoron written here, and since reason decrees to avoid it, what then does the Torah innovate for him? If you do understand what Rabbi Shimon is saying, perhaps you could say whether in his terms you mean that with dreams the prohibition is transformed into permission (like Ran regarding doubtful orlah outside the Land), or that one who stumbles requires atonement but we are permitted ab initio to do so (like Rabbi Shimon according to Rambam regarding doubtful orlah outside the Land).
“Proper” to be stringent—I do not understand what that means. Before the act there is an explicit obligation or an obligation from rational logic, and after the act there is a need for atonement or nothing.

Shmuel (2021-03-07)

What about all kinds of dreams nowadays involving the deceased, who come to their family members asking them, for example, to pay a small debt (there was a story about a deceased man who came to his family asking them to pay a debt of 5 shekels to a craftsman who had made a hole in the deceased’s belt and he forgot to pay him; the family went and checked, and indeed that was the case, and they paid the debt)?
How should we relate to such a story—and there are many more like it?

Shmuel (2021-03-07)

By the way, where does one write to the rabbi if one wants to ask him about some matter?

Yisrael (2021-03-07)

Hello Rabbi, a really enjoyable and interesting post! I eagerly await every learned post.
In connection with the post: I am learning tractate Berakhot and the laws of blessings in general, and there in many details there is subjective variation that depends on the person’s own feeling. An example I saw just recently: regarding sweets made of wafer—a grain product—coated with lots of chocolate and additions whose blessing is shehakol, in conclusion Rabbi Eliezer Melamed rules that the blessing is determined by the person’s own view—if he is mainly interested in the chocolate, he recites shehakol, but if the wafer is primary in his eyes, he recites mezonot. And similarly in the laws of the blessings shehecheyanu, hatov ve-hametiv, and the like (although in those blessings there are more objective criteria as well).

Michi (2021-03-07)

Rabbi Shimon only says that there is no claim against him for placing himself in a doubtful situation, but if he actually violates the prohibition, there is still a prohibition here. In our case we are not speaking about doubt, so one cannot say such a thing. If it is permitted, then it is permitted. With dreams, a person may choose not to take the facts into account, and then there is no prohibition. Even if in factual reality there is second tithe there, there is no prohibition in this. A prohibition is always only what is imposed on the person. This is, as stated, only one of the possibilities.

Michi (2021-03-07)

That is unrelated to our issue. Here the question is whether there is a moral obligation to carry out the words of the deceased. It has nothing to do with the laws of evidence (the question of what reality is).

Michi (2021-03-07)

Here in the responsa section. One posts a new question.

Michi (2021-03-07)

I think that here it is like a vow and therefore not relevant to our issue. The objective rule is that one recites the blessing according to what one prefers, but each person has his own preferences.

Tulginus (2021-03-07)

As I understand Rabbi Shimon, generally there is no “claim” for placing oneself in a doubtful situation (if in the end the piece was fat—nothing happened). And there is always a need for atonement for stumbling in a prohibition (if in the end the piece was forbidden fat).

So I formulate/summarize (hopefully for the last time): with dreams, with shavya, and with a litigant’s admission—in all three, you say, at least as one of the possibilities, that others are permitted to ignore their “knowledge” (to varying degrees), and even if that knowledge is in fact correct, no atonement is needed and the prohibition has turned into permission, like nullification in a majority.

Shmuel (2021-03-07)

So in other words, one posts a new question there? If so, I wanted to ask: recently I went into Kol HaLashon to the eulogies section about various great figures who passed away, especially those I knew and had not managed to hear a eulogy for. Among them I heard about the gaon Rabbi Yechezkel Bartler; as I belatedly came to realize, he was an astonishing and awe-inspiring genius, even if he had lived in earlier generations (the young were not afraid to speak with him and argue with him because he was humble), but the great scholars trembled before him very, very much. I regret that I did not get to know him. Did the rabbi, when learning in the Chazon Ish kollel, get to know him?

Michi (2021-03-07)

This is not our topic here, but according to your approach I do not understand what the meaning of the prohibitions of doubtful cases is according to Rabbi Shimon. It seems to have no meaning whatsoever. If you transgressed a prohibition, you transgressed, and if not, then not.
Indeed.

Michi (2021-03-07)

Here one raises only matters that pertain to this post and the comments on it. I meant a new question in the responsa section. See at the top of the page, “Responsa,” and there post a new question.
I did not know him.

Tulginus (2021-03-08)

According to Rabbi Shimon, I do indeed understand as you wrote: that according to Rambam, who holds that a Torah-level doubt is treated leniently, there is really no prohibition at all in doubtful cases. One who actually encounters a prohibition damages something spiritual and will be punished in the World to Come, and if it becomes known to him he needs atonement to wipe it clean. Therefore, by logic, it makes sense to avoid it (one may call this a rationally inferred prohibition), like possible poison.
The claim not to place oneself into doubt surely cannot depend on what the actual outcome turns out to be (about that no one disagrees). Even in a prohibition established by one witness, where one is flogged, the lashes are not only because he violated the divine statement to obey one witness; and the proof is (according to Rabbi Shimon in any case, Shaar 3 end of chapter 2) that if it later becomes clear that the piece was fat, he is not flogged.
Since there is no claim (on the Torah level) and yet there is still the rationale to avoid it, then on the one hand there is no room for the Torah to innovate that with doubtful orlah there is no claim, and on the other hand technically it has no possibility of innovating against rational logic—so what did halakhah innovate in doubtful orlah?
To that Rabbi Shimon said: we have no room to be clever. And who can stand in the council of the holy ones.

Michi (2021-03-08)

In short, indeed there is no innovation at all in the prohibition regarding a Torah-level doubt. I do not currently have time to enter into Rabbi Shimon’s words and see whether that is what he says, but in any case these are puzzling statements.

Tulginus (2021-03-08)

I have received a tradition from true righteous men that if you were to give a series of lectures on the order of Shaarei Yosher, our righteous Messiah would immediately come, the legs of the primordial serpent would be cut off, the light of the sun would become sevenfold, and all the traffic lights would be green—may it be His will.

Michi (2021-03-08)

That is an old dream of mine. But it is a very long and very complicated story.

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