Q&A: Mysticism
Mysticism
Question
Hello Rabbi,
According to the definition of mysticism in the lectures, mystical knowledge has to be transmitted by way of trust, since it is entirely subjective and depends on the personal experiences of the person who possesses that knowledge.
My question is: what about human psychology or the concept of the soul? Is this whole realm, and all the knowledge within it, mysticism? After all, all of a person's psychological content—desires, thoughts, emotions (even the sensation of pain, though maybe that strays a bit from the question)—all of these and more are a completely subjective world, open to judgment only from the outside and only on the basis of trust, or through personal experience.
And if, for example, we compare psychology with a mystical field like numerology—after all, psychology can be studied observationally, like watching a child grow up, or through broader analyses of society and religions that rely on surveys and statistics. But all of that exists in mysticism too, in numerology—a person can give lectures about why companies founded on certain dates are more profitable and bring examples for that, or predict various things that will happen, like an earthquake or a market crash.
In both of these worlds there is "observation," but in both of them observation only gets us so far, until we run into the differences between the objective world and the subjective one.
The Rabbi is a dualist. So am I. And dualism contains within it a solipsistic doubt, maybe the tiniest of tiny doubts, but it's still there—that wall, or the mind-body problem. Is the soul, in your view, a mystical concept?
By the way, it seems very possible to me that the answer is yes, but I think that in the second lecture you did say a sentence or two about psychology and did not include it with mysticism.
I would greatly appreciate an answer
Answer
It has nothing to do with dualism. Materialists too recognize the existence of a mental dimension, and from their perspective as well it is not accessible to observation. They only claim that it is a function of matter. As for the question itself, clearly every specific psychological report by a specific person is subjective and not accessible to scientific observation. Psychology deals with analyzing those reports in relation to one another, and that can be scientific and objective. Psychoanalysis is a kind of mysticism. I have columns on psychology, and you can search for them here on the site.
Discussion on Answer
And I'm not talking about analyzing those reports in relation to one another, nor about psychoanalysis.
Because on psychoanalysis we probably agree, but on classical psychology (Pavlov, for example), nobody can prove to me that anything exists outside the "I" except that I assume it.
I'm asking about two other levels: the experiential level and the conceptual level.
Thanks
I'm not following. I lost you.
Are the soul, the psyche, and all the subjective experiences a person has within the category of mysticism?
That's a matter of definition. I wouldn't define them that way, because these phenomena appear in all of us. I don't need to believe you in order to accept that we have desires. I see that in myself too. Mystical doctrines, by contrast, I do not experience myself; I am nourished by reports from mystics.
I see desires and so on in myself, but I do not see, and can get along even without, the concept of the soul
It's still not entirely clear to me why it has nothing to do with dualism—after all, we assume that a separate spiritual dimension exists, and therefore it could very well fall under mysticism, and not be open to measurement, quantification, or scientific criticism.
If you were a monist, for example, then I could understand that psychology, from your perspective, is an organic part of the existing world, and then it actually would be subject to all of the above (measurement and quantification).
And I don't think I got an answer—maybe that's my fault for overdoing it with the amount of words—
Are the soul, the psyche, and all the subjective experiences a person has within the category of mysticism?