Q&A: Evolution and Intelligent Design – A Response to Doron Fishler's Teshuva Podcast, Episode "Lucy 3"
Evolution and Intelligent Design – A Response to Doron Fishler's Teshuva Podcast, Episode "Lucy 3"
Question
Hello Rabbi,
Recently Doron Fishler, on the Teshuva podcast, released a series of episodes about evolution. Doron Fishler is very popular among religious and Haredi audiences, and I’d be interested to hear the Rabbi’s opinion on the subject (even though I already once read the Rabbi’s book).
As I understand it, the first two episodes lay out the basic groundwork of what evolution is in simple language, and the third episode speaks more forcefully about why intelligent design is unlikely.
Thank you very much,
Eliko
Answer
You’re sending me to look up the podcast, then listen to it, and finally write a critical analysis for you. I suggest you turn to Geppetto. If you have a specific question, please formulate it clearly here and present the argument you want examined.
Discussion on Answer
I forgot to attach the links:
Sources actually used
Responsa on the site: Evolution (a general look at the relationship between science and faith) – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%94/
Responsa on the site: Evolution (follow-up questions) – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%94-12/
Post: A systematic look at the relations between evolution and faith – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
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Regarding the episode:
1. What worked very well
The distinction between the origin of life (abiogenesis) and biological evolution. The episode nicely emphasizes that evolution is not a description of the emergence of the first life, but of changes in populations of already existing living things. This is also a basic line in Rabbi Abraham’s approach: evolution deals with organisms and not with the “laws of the laws” of nature, and therefore it cannot by itself answer how the laws that make it possible were established. (Rabbi Michael Abraham) And likewise the explicit formulation: “Evolution does not deal with laws but with organisms.”
Breaking down the “monkeys and machines” analogy: it is rightly argued that the crude statistical argument misses the mechanism of cumulative non-random selection. Rabbi Abraham stresses again and again that the tension between “randomness” and “intention” is not decided by science itself; the theological question is separate from the scientific one. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
The analogy to a code-space in which a self-replicator block appears: as an intuitive idea, this is a successful illustration of how replication can emerge out of a huge number of attempts — and then the dynamics already “continue on their own” through selection. This fits with Rabbi Abraham’s use of evolution as a process model, not as an explanation either for a “guiding hand” or for its absence.
2. Where more precision / qualification is needed
“Occurred by chance” is not the same as “not designed”: the episode nicely says that the alternative is not simply “random or designed.” In Rabbi Abraham’s formulation, the question whether there is a designer is philosophical-theological, whereas on the level of scientific description we are dealing with a process that has a random component (mutations) and a deterministic-selective component (selection). Therefore, the truth of evolution in itself does not decide the theological issue either way. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Probabilistic inferences: it is important to be careful not to slide from extremely tiny probability calculations into metaphysical conclusions. Rabbi Abraham criticizes careless uses of probability in philosophical discussions (such as “Pascal’s Wager”) and emphasizes the difference between a probabilistic calculation and a philosophical conclusion.
The “Google experiment”: as an idea, it supports the replication-selection picture; it just needs to be stressed that this is not “life,” and that the sequence from a computational model to the chemistry of primordial soup requires additional empirical bridges. The distinction between the scientific plane and the philosophical-theological plane is critical here.
At the foundational level: even if we fully accept evolution, the question of the “framework” still remains — why do laws and physics that enable such complex dynamics exist at all? This is a separate discussion (physico-theological / fine-tuning), which evolution does not answer.
Practical tautology: Rabbi Abraham addresses the fact that “the fittest survive” is a formulation that the life sciences fill with distinguishing content and empirical criteria; as a philosophical framework, that alone is not decisive. From here there is an opening to the position of “guided evolution” (theistic evolution) as a logically possible combination of two claims that do not settle one another.
3. Points that could strengthen the episode if you want to polish it
Add one sentence about the fundamental difference between evolution and the origin of life (RNA world, etc.) — two separate scientific questions. That already peeks through in the episode, but it’s worth stating cleanly.
Highlight even more the principle of non-random selection as the answer to the “monkey and writing” claim: not “everything” is random — the mutations are random, the selection is not. (Rabbi Abraham uses this to explain why “zero-probability statistics” arguments miss the cumulative mechanism.) (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
End with a methodological clarification: both a serious atheist and a serious believer can accept the theory of evolution; the dispute is meta-scientific (about the source of the laws, fine-tuning, and purpose), not scientific. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Bottom line: the episode presents the process-oriented understanding of evolution well, accurately dismantles the “monkeys and machines” analogy, and demonstrates (through the code model) how replication and selection can grow out of noise. On Rabbi Abraham’s view, this works perfectly well: one can accept evolution as science and still ask and answer philosophically about the source of the framework that makes it possible; and there is no necessary contradiction here between science and faith. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Sources actually used
Responsa on the site: Evolution (a general look at the relationship between science and faith) – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Responsa on the site: Evolution (follow-up questions) – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Post: A systematic look at the relations between evolution and faith – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Responsa: The physico-theological argument – mikyab.net. (Rabbi Michael Abraham)
Book: God Plays Dice — on the philosophical meanings of evolution, introduction / chapters 3 / 4.
For a deeper and more precise picture, it is recommended to look at the sources cited. Do you want me to elaborate on a specific point, or present additional sources or follow-up questions?