Q&A: Head-to-Head Debate on Free Choice
Head-to-Head Debate on Free Choice
Question
Hello Rabbi,
Not long ago you wrote that in principle you’re against debates, because people don’t really change their minds from them; rather, everyone just continues with what they thought beforehand. So what was different about Aviv Franco, with whom you did it twice?
And regarding the debate itself: toward the end you argued about moral judgment. You claimed that this means I’m “really” judging and not that it’s just a utilitarian matter, while Franco claimed that it’s just a built-in reaction in the brain. I’m interested to know whether I understood your view correctly: just as when I see a lamp I assume that this says something real about the world and not just something physical in my brain, so too when I judge someone for murder, that says something real and not just a physical change in the brain.
And right near the end you argued that this is basically a proof by negation: if matter is incapable of explaining what happens, then there is spirit.
My question is whether maybe there is a third possibility. It’s true that today we don’t understand how a physical structure, however complicated it may be, could produce free choice and understanding. But why is that something you rule out on the level of principle? Just as with understanding chemistry alone it’s hard to nearly impossible to understand how there can be something alive, and once we know about the cell and protein a new layer opens up before us, maybe there is some particular structure of proteins—let’s call it x—that makes it possible to construct free choice and real understanding?
Answer
I was already asked about this. See the beginning of column 674.
I made a weaker claim, and that is also why I explained to him that this is not a “God of the gaps” argument: if you claim that my judgment is an illusion (that is, just some fictitious matter built into me because of evolution), maybe you’re right. But the burden of proof is on you. If you find a body that is not attracted to the earth, my assumption is that it has no mass. It may be that it does have mass and still is not attracted for some unknown reason, but if you want to claim that it has mass, the burden of proof is on you.
From this you can understand that I do not rule out, in a principled and categorical way, the emergentist claim (that spirit is a product of the body). I only demand evidence from whoever makes that claim. On the face of it, machines do not produce mental states, as he himself admitted to me. So one can always claim maybe and maybe and maybe about all kinds of structures and what they nevertheless manage to create, but all that remains in the realm of maybes until you bring evidence.