Somber Reflections on Our Theory of Punishment (Column 47)
With God’s help
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This column was written last week, before I posted the letter about Elor Azaria and before the truck-ramming attack that took place today (8.1.2017).
For some reason, around the discussion of Elor Azaria’s verdict, several claims were raised that dealt with the question whether a terrorist deserves the death penalty for his deed, and why this is not compared to a Jewish terrorist. Some go so far as to accuse Azaria’s supporters of racism because of the distinction between Jewish blood and Arab blood (see an especially fluent and foolish expression of this in Assaf Harel’s filmed essay that is cited in my correspondence with K.). These are foolish comparisons, grounded in an incorrect conception of punishment in general and of killing terrorists in particular. So it became clear to me that this post is quite suitable as a continuation of the previous one.
The opening of the post as well, which deals with a terrorist suspected of planning a truck-ramming attack, was written then, unrelated to the truck attack that occurred today in Armon HaNatziv, Jerusalem. Who knows whether today’s attacker is not the same suspect who was, in an act of utter folly, released back to his truck about a month ago.
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Recently I have had several somber reflections on our conception of punishment (in Israel, and in legal systems around the world generally). To the best of my judgment, there is an extreme lack of logic in punitive decisions handed down in court, and I will try here to point it out briefly.
How does one prevent attacks?
At the beginning of last month it was reported that a Palestinian suspected of planning a vehicular attack was released on condition that he not get into a truck [these words were written last week, before the truck-ramming attack that took place today]. This was the headline:
| A Palestinian suspected of planning a vehicular attack was released – but was forbidden to return to his truck
An East Jerusalem resident, aged 28, was released under restrictive conditions after the court ruled that there was reasonable suspicion that he would carry out an attack. Because the restriction harms his livelihood, he will be able to return to his truck after ten days
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So we learned that despite there being reasonable suspicion that he was planning to carry out a vehicular attack, and despite their therefore forbidding him to get into a truck, he was released to his home. After ten days he will even be able to go back to driving his truck. The court apparently assumed that, as a law-abiding citizen, he would of course refrain from getting into a truck, since the court had forbidden him to do so. He is indeed a suspect, but only in vehicular attacks and indiscriminate murder; heaven forfend that there be any concern he might violate a court order. How good it is that there are judges in Jerusalem.
On the other hand, he is only a suspect and has not been tried and convicted. Can such a person be kept in prison without a judicial conviction? What is the more reasonable alternative to this folly? It seems to me that even if there is no alternative, what the court chose to do is the greatest folly of all. Either release him without restrictive conditions, because he has not been convicted, or keep him in prison in order to protect society from him. But to release him and forbid him to get into a truck is utter folly, as has been made clear. One could perhaps justify this strange decision if he were placed under constant surveillance, so that if he got into a truck they could immediately arrest him. But I doubt whether that is in fact what is done for every such suspect.
The law of the pursuer
The case in the previous section reflected the tension between a conception of punishment as sanction or retribution and a conception of it as protection of society. If a person has not been convicted, and especially if he has not yet done anything, he does not deserve retribution. But protection of society is relevant specifically before the act, and less so afterward. According to the protective conception, what is required in order to punish is not a criminal act but an assessment that there is danger that such an act will be committed. Here one punishes precisely when the act has not yet been done.
This is in fact the conception that underlies the law of the pursuer. When one sees Reuven pursuing Shimon in order to kill him, it is permitted and obligatory to kill Reuven, even though he is not liable to punishment, for he has not yet murdered. It is precisely before the murder that one must kill him in order to prevent the murder. This is a different kind of punishment, whose purpose is neither deterrence nor sanction but protection of society or the surrounding public. Therefore this punishment is imposed by any citizen who can do so, and not necessarily by authorized governmental institutions.
Of course, it is not reasonable to act on the basis of mere suspicion and kill a person or violate his rights. To harm a pursuer requires near certainty that he is about to murder or harm another person. But once such a probability exists, one must act on it immediately. All this applies to injuring him or killing him. As for putting him in prison in order to protect the pursued party or society, that naturally requires less certainty. Here all that is needed is reasonable suspicion that he is planning to cause harm. True, even in such a case it is not reasonable to act on the basis of just any suspicion whatsoever, but imprisonment certainly requires a lower threshold of certainty than killing. Imprisoning a pursuer in order to protect society is done on the basis of suspicion, and that is how it should be.
There is another difference between punishment as retribution and punishment as protection. Punishment as retribution should be proportional to the act, but punishment as protection should continue as long as the protection is needed. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that we have a clear suspicion that Reuven is about to steal one shekel from Shimon. According to the protective conception, he should be put in prison until the end of his days (or until the suspicion lapses and his motivation to steal, or his ideology, dissipates), even though this is only one shekel and even though the act has not yet been committed. Putting him in prison for a month has no meaning at all. Shimon received protection for a month, and afterward we return to exactly the same situation. In punishment for the sake of protection, there is no real connection between the severity of the punishment and the gravity of the offense.
Sentencing policy for convicted criminals
Up to this point we have dealt with someone regarding whom there is well-founded suspicion that he is about to commit an offense and harm someone else. But what troubles me no less in this context is our sentencing policy toward those who have in fact been convicted. Suppose some offender—a violent husband, a pedophile, a thief, a murderer, or a rapist—has been convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. After five years he leaves prison, and we return to the very same situation. With rapists and pedophiles (and certainly terrorists), the situation is even worse, because in their case this is probably the result of a tendency (or an ideology) and not of a free decision. It is reasonable to assume that the tendency or ideology did not change during the imprisonment. So why not keep such an offender in prison until the end of his days, or until the danger he poses dissipates?
The conventional answer is that the gravity of his actions justifies only five years and no more. Here there is a conception of punishment as retribution, that is, punishment as a sanction for the offense, and therefore it must be proportional to the gravity of the offense. But this is a flawed conception of punishment. What about the protection that we deserve from him? After the violent husband has served his sentence, is the wife no longer entitled to protection from him? What does that have to do with the gravity of his actions?
It is important to understand that there is no necessary contradiction between the different conceptions (deterrence, protection, sanction, and others besides). Our sentencing policy ought to be based on a weighing of all of them together. The consideration of gravity is rooted in punishment as retribution, but the consideration of protection can justify extending the sentence in order to protect society. On the contrary, I would have expected the punishment in our legal system to be intended primarily for protection (and perhaps also deterrence), not for retribution. Retribution and vengeance are God’s business. What is incumbent on us is to protect society from those who try to harm it.
The sentencing policy that follows from what has been said so far is this: if there is well-founded suspicion that Reuven poses a danger, he should be imprisoned until the stage at which, in our assessment, the danger has passed. There is absolutely no reason to release him from prison a moment earlier, regardless of the gravity of the act (even if he is planning to steal one shekel). Alternatively, if we are unwilling to punish solely for the sake of protection without retribution, then he should not be put in prison at all. I cannot understand a policy that fixes a sentence of a given severity for suspects in the commission of a crime. They should either be free, or be put in prison until the end of their days, or until the concern and danger they pose dissipate.
So much for those suspected of planning a crime. As for one who has been convicted, the situation is much simpler. Here there is clear justification for punishing him, both because he deserves retribution for what he did (since he has already committed the offense) and because the danger he poses is fully proven and completely clear (unlike a mere suspect). In such a case, regardless of the gravity of his actions, a person should not leave prison for the rest of his life, or until it is assessed with near certainty that the danger he poses has passed. Prison sentences for every offense whatsoever should be life sentences, or last until it is assessed that he no longer poses a danger. There is not the slightest shred of logic in punishment according to the gravity of the offense, unless we are dealing with a person who by now no longer poses any danger at all (a one-time offender, or someone whose crime arose from local and narrowly focused circumstances).
But that is not what we do. Every offender receives a punishment according to the gravity of his action, without taking the question of danger into account. The question of dangerousness arises only when early release or prison furloughs are discussed; there the degree of dangerousness is debated. But this is absurd. We are willing to release him completely from prison at the end of his term and do not fear the dangers he poses, but a week earlier we will not let him go out on furlough because of his dangerousness. This is simply a bad joke.
Thus, for example, terrorists are punished with prison terms whose length is determined by the gravity of their actions. This is absurdity incarnate. Not because I do not care about them (which of course is true), but because this sentencing policy is complete logical folly. A terrorist should sit in prison until we assess that his ideology or his capabilities have changed. It has absolutely no connection to the question whether he killed one person or a hundred, or merely lightly injured a camel in the safari. As long as it is clear that he is a terrorist and that he intends to murder, he should sit in prison (this, of course, on the assumption that he is not sentenced to death, which logic suggests is what should be done).
The "discussion" surrounding Moshe Katsav’s early release
In the discussion surrounding Moshe Katsav’s early release, this confusion found expression in truly absurd forms. Some argued that he had "paid his debt to society" (an absurd expression in my view). By contrast, the opponents argued that he had not regretted what he had done. Others explained that he still posed a danger, as though if he remained the additional year in prison the problem would be solved. But if he is dangerous, then not only should he not be released early, he should not be released at all. He should remain in prison until the end of his days (or at least until the end of his sexual potency). But this whole discourse takes place only around early release, and not around the length of the sentence as such.
Even a complete fool understood, and understands, that the dangerousness argument regarding Katsav is utter nonsense. There is not the slightest danger posed by Moshe Katsav at his age and at this stage of his life. But when early release and furloughs are discussed, no argument other than dangerousness can be raised. Therefore the learned committee of the Prison Service discussed this nonsense in learned and detailed fashion: whether he posed a danger or not. Testimony was brought before it from "experts" (which in my opinion is worth nothing), who at one point said one thing and later said another. All this when the truth is clear to everyone, even to someone who does not know how to spell the word psychology or criminology. Clearly there is no danger. Period. Moreover, if Katsav really does pose a danger, then what ought to be under discussion is not his early release but his release from prison as such. Will the additional year he sits in prison change anything one way or the other?! A veritable parade of folly. This case can join my earlier remarks about the quality of our public discourse.
Demolishing terrorists’ homes and killing them
Demolishing terrorists’ homes is another aspect of this "intelligent" discussion. First, the consideration arises that one is punishing the family and not only the offender. This is certainly a relevant consideration, and the counterargument is that this is required for the sake of deterrence (it seems to me that in most cases the family also has a part, active or passive, in the criminality). In some cases society finds it appropriate to punish even someone who is not guilty, or at least did not actually take part in the offense, if this is required by a broader consideration.
Now, of course, the demand arises to demolish the homes of Jewish terrorists as well. After all, there must be equality before the law, mustn’t there? Suddenly we have forgotten that the demolition is not a punishment but protection, or really social deterrence (that is, deterrence of future terrorists). If so, the demolition of homes should be discussed according to the question how necessary it is and how effective it is. Comparisons between the gravity of the actions of these people and those are simply irrelevant to this discussion. Here one must ask whether there is a widespread phenomenon of Jewish terrorists (that is, whether social deterrence is required), how far the dangerousness involved extends (how many terrorists there are, and how grave their intentions are—murder, or graffiti and setting fire to empty buildings), and of course how effective that deterrence is likely to be. All these considerations can differ—and they indeed do differ—between Jewish and Arab society.[1]
Incidentally, if I remember correctly, that is exactly what the state argued in the High Court of Justice discussion over demolishing the homes of Jewish terrorists. Surprisingly enough, those folks sometimes do say sensible things.
The discussion of killing terrorists suffers from the same defect. Many wonder what the justification is for killing a neutralized terrorist, and whether it is justified even if he did not kill anyone. Others draw comparisons to Jewish terrorists. The common denominator of almost all these discussions is the assumption that killing the terrorist is a punishment for his deed. But the justification for killing a terrorist (in a previous post I wrote that morally even a neutralized terrorist should be killed; only legally and disciplinarily one cannot do so) is preventive, not punitive. Killing him is intended to prevent future attacks that he will probably carry out. Therefore there is no reason to resort to the question whether his action justifies such a punishment (see my discussion with K.). Even if he has not yet done anything, he should be killed.
So as not to leave the page too bare, I will add here a discussion of the principled conception of punishment in Jewish law and in general.
A liberal conception of prohibition and punishment
Punishment is an inseparable part of law. Today it is commonly accepted that a law with no punishment attached to it is not a law. Moreover, in liberal conceptions it is sometimes explained that criminal law does not impose obligations or prohibitions on the citizen at all, but only on the judge. Haim Cohen remarks in his book HaMishpat that our criminal law is formulated as follows: "one who steals is punished thus and so," but there is no command in the law forbidding theft. It seems that the basis of this interpretation is a liberal conception according to which the government may not impose prohibitions on the citizen, who is a free human being. It may only set rules of conduct and duties for governmental institutions. In effect, what we have here is punishment without prohibition.
[Parenthetically, I should note that in my view this is an absurd approach, mere sophistry. If we are indeed so liberal, then how do we allow the judge to put our free citizen in prison? And even if we say that this is protection of society from him and not punishment in the usual sense, that is no different from a law that forbids the citizen to steal or murder as protection of society. Why does liberalism not permit us to impose such a prohibition on citizens in order to protect society?]
The conception of prohibition and punishment in Jewish law
The rule in Jewish law is that there is no punishment unless there is prior warning (Punishment is administered only where a prior warning has been given.). The intention is not only to the warning the offender must receive, but to the fact that there must be in the Torah a prohibition that warns us against the offense (that forbids it to us). In Jewish law there is no punishment without a prohibition. Thus, for example, the Torah prescribes the death penalty for one who curses God, but in addition a verse is also required that warns against it (that establishes a prohibition). The author of the Sefer HaChinukh explains this in commandment 69 as follows:
For the mention of a punishment in connection with a commandment is not sufficient for us without a warning. This is what our Sages, of blessed memory, always mean when they say, ‘We have heard the punishment; from where do we know the warning?’ The idea is that if no divine prohibition had come to us in the matter, and it merely said that one who does such-and-such will be punished in such-and-such a way, that would imply that anyone who wished could choose to accept the punishment, disregard the suffering, and violate the commandment, and by doing so he would not be acting against the will of God, blessed be He, and His command. The matter of the commandment would then become like a kind of transaction, as if to say: whoever wishes to do such-and-such may pay such-and-such and do it, or bear such-and-such suffering and do it. But that is not the intent of the commandments. Rather, God, for our benefit, has restrained us from certain things, and regarding some of them He informed us of the punishment that reaches us immediately, aside from transgressing His will, which is worse than everything. This is the meaning of their statement, of blessed memory, everywhere: ‘He does not punish unless He has first given warning’—that is, God does not inform us of the punishment that comes upon us for violating a commandment unless He has first informed us that His will is that we not do that thing for which the punishment comes.
He explains that if no warning (prohibition) had been written in the Torah, but only the punishment, we would think that the Torah does not forbid the act but only sets a punishment for one who does it. This is a kind of mechanical "punishment," and not a sanction for violating a prohibition. That is why the Torah also writes a warning. At first glance, one might see here the liberal conception mentioned above, according to which there is no prohibition on the person and nevertheless the system is obligated to punish him. But that is not correct, for as the author of the Sefer HaChinukh writes, the Talmud assumes that if there is a punishment there must also be a warning, even if it did not find such a warning in the verses (We have heard the punishment; from where do we know the warning? — we have heard the punishment; from where do we know the warning?). That is, in the final analysis this conception is not acceptable in Jewish law. The conclusion in Jewish law is that there is no punishment without a warning.[2]
On whom does the obligation to punish rest?
If so, punishment in Jewish law is always the result of a prohibition. Jewish law forbids things to citizens without fearing injury to liberalism. But it seems to me that in Jewish law the conception is even more radical and anti-liberal: not only the prohibition, but even the obligation to punish is imposed not only on the judge but also on the offender himself. This can be seen through the following example.
The Talmud in Sanhedrin 82a discusses the rule that in the case of one who has intercourse with an Aramean woman (a non-Jewish woman in public), zealots may strike him:
Rav Hisda said: One who comes to ask for a ruling is not instructed to do so. It was also stated: Rabbah bar bar Hana said in the name of Rabbi Yohanan: One who comes to ask for a ruling is not instructed to do so. Moreover, if Zimri had withdrawn and Pinhas had killed him, Pinhas would be liable for killing him; but if Zimri had turned around and killed Pinhas, he would not be liable for killing him, for Pinhas was a pursuer..
Pinchas killed Zimri as a zealot under the rule regarding one who has intercourse with an Aramean woman. This is a law that is not taught to the zealot, and he must do it on his own initiative. Moreover, even if Pinchas decides to kill Zimri, Zimri may defend himself and kill him under the law of the pursuer. There is no contradiction between this and the fact that in the eyes of the Torah and of God the zealot’s act is an act worthy of all praise (I hereby give him My covenant of peace, ‘Behold, I grant him My covenant of peace’), and yet Zimri still has the right to defend himself against him.
In the book Kli Chemda, at the end of Parashat Balak, he raises a difficulty with this Talmudic passage. By way of background, one should know that the permission to kill a pursuer is conditioned on the killing being necessary. If it is possible to injure him without killing him and thus save the pursued party (to save him by injuring one of his limbs — by saving him through one of his limbs), there is no permission to kill him. The author of the Kli Chemda therefore asks: how was Zimri permitted to kill Pinchas, when he could have saved himself without killing him? He merely had to stop sinning, and then Pinchas would not have killed him.
Without entering into several further stages of discussion, the bottom line that emerges from the Talmud is that although Zimri committed an act the Torah forbids, Zimri nevertheless has the right to sin, and Pinchas cannot demand that he stop sinning. And if Pinchas threatens him, then Zimri has the right to kill Pinchas and continue sinning. This is all the more so if someone threatens to kill me unless I give him one shekel. I may kill him, and I am not obligated to give him one shekel in order to avoid that. Holding on to my shekel is my right, and I am under no obligation to give him my shekel in order to save his life. If he threatens my life, I may defend myself and kill him.[3]
The Mishneh LaMelekh, on Maimonides, Laws of Murderer ch. 1 halakhah 15, raises the following doubt:
I was uncertain regarding one who kills unintentionally, where the blood avenger has permission to kill him: if the killer gathered strength and killed the blood avenger, is he liable for killing him? It seems to me that he is not liable, and support for this is the case of Zimri, regarding whom we say [Sanhedrin ch. 8]: If Zimri turned around and killed Pinhas, he is not liable for killing him. But I still do not have a conclusive proof for this. I was likewise uncertain regarding one who pursues another to kill him, and similarly one who pursues a forbidden sexual relation, where he may be stopped even at the cost of his life: if the pursuer gathered strength and killed the rescuer, is he liable for killing him? It appears that in these cases he is liable, for specifically in the case of Zimri—where for Pinhas there is no commandment but only permission—do we say that if Zimri turned around and killed Pinhas he is not liable; but in the case of one pursuing another to kill him, or pursuing a forbidden sexual relation, where there is a commandment to save the victim, as our master wrote, if the pursuer kills the rescuer he is liable. So too one may infer from the words of Rabbi Yeruham, of blessed memory, in Meisharim netiv 31, part 2, who wrote: ‘If the adulterer turned around and killed the zealot, even during the act, he is not liable, for the zealot was a pursuer, since there is no commandment to kill him, only mere permission.’ Thus he made the matter depend on the fact that there is no commandment to kill him; consider this carefully. And one who kills unintentionally has the same law as one who has relations with an Aramean woman, for the blood avenger has permission, not a commandment; consider this carefully.
He wonders whether this rule also exists with respect to other people who threaten him (such as a rescuer who threatens to kill a pursuer). His conclusion is that in these cases, if the pursuer kills the rescuer, he is liable to death, but this does not seem self-evident to him. After all, Pinchas too performed an act that merited God’s blessing, that is, there was here something akin to a commandment-act, and yet Zimri could defend himself and kill him. Therefore the Mishneh LaMelekh wondered whether perhaps a pursuer, too, would be allowed to kill the rescuer. Even his conclusion, that this is forbidden, is stated on reasoning alone and without proof.
And what about an agent of the religious court? Suppose a religious court sentences a person to death, and now the executioner arrives to carry out the sentence. Is the condemned man allowed to kill the court’s agent? In this case, it seems that the Mishneh LaMelekh does not even raise a question or a hesitation. It is obvious to him that here this is forbidden. Why? It seems to me that the explanation is that in this case the issue is not the commandment performed by the court’s agent, but the fact that the obligation to punish offenders rests on the entire public, and the religious court acts here as the public’s agent and in its name. If so, the offender himself, who is also part of the public, is bound by this halakhic obligation as well (= to kill himself insofar as he is one who is liable to death). Therefore he must allow the religious court and its agent to kill him as part of fulfilling that obligation. This does not mean that one who is liable to death must kill himself, for he is like any other citizen, who may not kill the condemned person.[4] But he must cooperate with the authorized institutions, and certainly not interfere with their (blessed) activity.
The conception of punishment in Jewish law
The meaning of all this is that the obligation to punish offenders rests on the entire public (including the offender himself) through the religious court as their agent, and the obligation to prevent criminality and harm (the law of the pursuer) rests directly on every person. In Jewish law as well, there is no necessary proportion between the gravity of the offense and the gravity of the punishment. Even so, punishment in Jewish law is apparently not intended to protect society but to provide atonement for the offender. According to Rashi on Sanhedrin (at the beginning of the seventh chapter), even killing a pursuer is done for his sake (to prevent him from sinning), and not only for the sake of protecting the victim. This is an obviously paternalistic and anti-liberal approach.
It is true that halakhic punishment usually does not deal with protecting society from the offender, for lashes at most deter but do not distance the offender from society. An unintentional killer who is banished to exile is likewise not sent there in order to protect society (for he poses no danger. He is not prone to criminality). As I have shown in several articles dealing with the halakhic theory of punishment (see here and here), the main purpose of punishment in Jewish law is atonement, which is an overtly religious element.
It is no wonder that many people (including myself) argue that it is impossible to run a modern state according to the rules of Jewish law, among other reasons because it lacks the elements of deterrence and protection (punishment is imposed only if the offender is warned in the presence of two valid witnesses and accepts the warning. Robbery carries no punishment at all. One who causes damage only indirectly is exempt, and so on). But Jewish law stipulates (see Derashot HaRan, discourse 11) that alongside the halakhic judicial system there is a system of the king’s law, and that is what is supposed to deal with the other aspects of sentencing policy (such as protection of society, prevention of criminality, and public education). This is what we expect from the king, and in our day from the state and the government. We may expect it, but as we have seen, we do not really receive it. It seems to me that in some respects it would be more accurate to say that one cannot run a state according to the rules of law as they are given a liberal interpretation in our circles.
[1] This reminds me of the comparison between the Sabbath siren among Jews and the muezzin’s loudspeaker among Muslims. Yet another comparison that is an intellectual joke, made in the name of holy equality.
[2] Of course, one can now return and ask: if this conception is clear to us in advance, that is, if there is an a priori assumption that if there is a punishment there must be a warning, then the difficulty returns (which the Sefer HaChinukh answers here): why does the Torah need to write the warning? Let it write only the punishment, and we will understand on our own that there is no punishment without a prohibition.
[3] See my article on killing a thief, Techumin 27.
[4] There is room for the reasoning that another citizen cannot do so because he has no permission to violate the condemned person’s rights (only governmental institutions have such authority), but the condemned person himself can, and perhaps should, kill himself. But this, if at all, of course only applies after his sentence has been handed down by a religious court. A Sabbath desecrator in our time, when there is no religious court that can sentence him to death, is not liable to death, and therefore clearly he is not obligated to put himself to death (and probably is also forbidden to do so).
Discussion
Like goads and like nails. And since they are fruitful and multiply, etc., here are a few things:
A. The matter of killing the robber over the sanctity of a shekel is doubtful even according to the defensive approach. In my view, any amount that one must or ought to spend in order to save a person flailing in the sea must and ought also to be spent in order to avoid killing the robber. Is the distinction between the cases not punishment in every respect?
And let us resolve in our hearts that when the turn of the 5,554th shekel arrives (may “with the kolel” save us from the evil eye), we will act. If the act becomes a widespread plague, then the considerations change, but in a case like me and my twin on a deserted island, and before he boards a space shuttle, if he demands a shekel from me verbally, I have to give it to him.
[Property is not some exalted spiritual right, but merely a convenient arrangement established by the strong-arm men (and likewise, in my view, all other rights as well. My position on the matter is called shallow, but it seems to me to be true). And if the issue is *only* the permission to stand on my rights, then this does not depend on views about punishment.]
B. The difficulty in note 2 (which returns to the question why they need to write a warning in every place) seems serious enough to loosen the argument. Why not say that the Gemara means to ask only whether there is a warning (and indeed, if one is not found, then the punishment will be like buying and selling)?
C. If it is defense (that is, prevention and deterrence), then from the standpoint of deterrence the judge should, by law, convict the innocent to exactly the same degree that he convicts the guilty, in any situation where the public will believe the judge and they will hear and fear and no longer act wantonly, and deterrence will be built up and established. This is indeed my conclusion, but it seems to me that it should give second thoughts to those who hold deterrence to be a sufficient condition.
D. The argument that the tendency and ideology did not change during imprisonment. Seemingly one should consider (though this needs empirical examination) that a person who has been burned by prison is from now on more cautious and fearful [first, because 5+5 are not 10, all the more so not 5; and second, because a person tends to connect similar matters, as in Dan Ariely’s observation/statement that someone who buys a movie ticket for 50 shekels and loses it on the way hesitates whether to buy another 50-shekel ticket more than someone who planned to buy a movie ticket for 50 shekels and on the way lost a different 50 shekels. And there are many more such non-empirical considerations]. That is, in many cases it does indeed reduce the concern to such a degree that imprisonment is no longer justified. It is admittedly trivial, but for some reason I did not see that you addressed this explicitly.
Nor is it clear that most of society wants harsh and bitter punishments for every offense (cutting in line, for example), which would seemingly significantly reduce offenses (though this is disputed), even aside from the moral problems of lack of retribution, since people fear for themselves or for their family and friends. Something like the agreement to ration for the disabled and the sick and what follows from that, which I assume (perhaps a priori) involves the ordinary matter of buying insurance.
E. I think Haim Cohen’s conception is not that in our courtesy we refrain from imposing prohibitions on the citizen, but simply that prohibition is an empty word. Legislation in itself is just bleating—who would be foolish enough to pay attention to it?
F. The duty to punish the offender as part of the public. One may infer precisely from Makkot 12a: “In all cases, a son does not become an agent for his father to strike him or curse him, except for one who leads others astray, for the Torah said: ‘you shall not pity, nor shall you conceal him,’” and seemingly, if the duty also rests on the father, then we should say, “You and he are both obligated in My honor,” and the son should freely become an agent. (Perhaps the derivation from the inciter is directional, and they learn from it that since it was necessary in the case of the inciter, it follows that in other cases it is not?)
Your arguments are correct (as always) theoretically, but patently unrealistic.
Do you expect that when there is some suspicion that you might murder someone, or a serious suspicion that you might harm someone, we should imprison you forever until the danger passes??
It is not even a joke; clearly, theoretically you are right, but in such a situation every man would swallow up his fellow alive. And true, the legal system is not always logical because it is not always possible to act according to that logic.
Thank you very much.
For a long time I wanted to write these things, and I feel that you wrote them for me. I am glad that these matters were said.
P.S.
I wanted to point out that imprisonment is a punishment that is hardly mentioned in the Bible. In my opinion, imprisonment in its very essence is something that came from European morality and not from the morality of the Torah of Israel.
Thanks. Imprisonment is not a punishment that exists in halakhah. The closest thing is confinement in the kippah cell (which is a kind of execution).
In my opinion, entirely realistic. If there is a danger that justifies imprisonment, then one should imprison as long as the danger exists. If the danger is remote, then there is no justification for imprisonment at all. Therefore I do not see any logic in a term of imprisonment according to the severity of the offense. If anything, then according to the severity of the danger (and even there this is not really correct; rather there is a step function: once there is some level of danger, one should imprison until the danger expires. Below that, one should not imprison at all).
Nicely formulated. But of course fictitious. No criminal entrusts the state with the right to imprison him. And if we are dealing in fictions, then the citizen can also entrust the state with his rights for such cases.
Regarding section A, I agree. The damage caused to society needs to be part of the function by which his punishment is calculated.
There must be a difference in the preventive punishment of someone who steals a shekel and someone planning to carry out a mass attack, both in terms of the resources society will be willing to invest and in relation to the citizen’s sense of freedom and fairness.
Hello.
A. We have a disagreement on this matter. And it seems to me that in halakhic terms I am right (see the proof from Zimri and elsewhere). The question of the relation between the law of the pursuer and punishment is not a simple one. There are several proofs that the law of the pursuer is grounded in punitive liability (see Afikei Yam, vol. 2, siman 40, who discusses this at length).
For this one need not assume that property is some exalted spiritual right. A social convention is enough for this.
And if the purpose of punishment is protection, then the sharp distinction you make between them does not exist, or at least not sharply.
B. Indeed. But your interpretation is impossible, for the Gemara has difficulty with the phrase: “We have heard the punishment; from where do we know the warning?” That is not a question but an objection. Whereas according to your approach it is only a question. And its basis is the rule that one does not punish unless one first warns, whereas according to your approach one punishes even without warning (when there is a punishment but no warning).
As for the difficulty itself, which I left unresolved, it seems to me one can answer as follows: indeed, even if no warning had been written, we would understand that one should punish. Still, understanding that one should punish is not the same as a warning. A warning must actually be written; it is not enough that we understand that this is correct. Therefore it still has to be written.
Maimonides goes even further: even when the warning is derived by logic, he still does not punish, although it is clear that one should punish. He still sees this as a lack of warning. However, at the end of Shoresh 14 he writes that if the punishment is written explicitly and the warning is derived by logic, then one does punish. In my book Ruach HaMishpat I explained this.
C. Deterrence is not a sufficient condition for punishment. Absolutely not. Nor did I write that. Punishment is a combination of the need for protection and deterrence together with the offender’s guilt. One does not create deterrence or protection by punishing someone who is not guilty, since one does not harm one person to save another (just as we do not say to one person, “sin so that your fellow may benefit”). This is except for very extreme cases (such as sending a soldier into battle).
D. There is no need for all these pilpulim; in my estimation, if you check released prisoners, they have not changed their ideology. On the contrary, the release itself shows them that prison is not all that terrible. But as you wrote, the matter depends on empirical investigation. Until that is done, all we have are examples of people who were released and went back to harming others (like the terrorist in yesterday’s ramming attack).
E. It can be checked in his golden language; I do not remember. In halakhah it is certainly not so. See above what was brought in the name of Locke regarding the theory of punishment. As for your point itself, I think the prohibition comes with the punishment, and indeed without the punishment people will not pay attention to it. But once there is punishment, the prohibition also has meaning. Go out and see that people are in fact deterred by what the law forbids and not only by the punishment (they see violating the law as an immoral act and not merely as risking punishment).
F. One can engage in pilpul about this. For example, perhaps the son does become an agent when there is no one else to do it, and then your point falls away. And as for your proof, it is enough that the son is obligated in the honor of Heaven to say that he would become an agent to punish his father, since both are obligated in the honor of Heaven. There is no need to get to the point that the duty rests on the father.
Thank you very much.
A. In the middle of Afikei Yam I suddenly remembered an old and fine discussion you had with Morharar “Peeks and Gets Hurt” (because incidentally, because of that discussion and an article you published, I sat down at the time to study the relevant Afikei Yam. Everything flew from my memory like a wandering bird from its nest). I do not see a way to insert a link here on a word, so I will attach the link below for anyone interested. I see that everything I think to say, and much more, already appears there, and I need to reconsider (from a halakhic standpoint; though originally I did not intend to discuss halakhah).
B. [“From where do we know the warning?”] seems to mean my mishnah has prevailed over me, and I will look again in Ruach HaMishpat.
C. Deterrence alone is not enough, but when he is guilty, besides bearing punishment for his guilt, do we also heap on him “deterrence fees” at a premium? Or even for the first lash are both components required? (for one who takes deterrence into account as a consideration)
D-E-F understood.
The link to the discussion: http://www.bhol.co.il/forums/topic.asp?whichpage=1&topic_id=2129025&forum_id=1364
The article appears on page 6.
C. It can be this way or that way. Both models are acceptable to me, though I tend toward the view that for a first blow the consideration of retribution is sufficient even without deterrence.
With God’s help, the 12th of Tevet, 5777
The question of dealing effectively and justly with the reality of crime occupies every human society. A summary of the theories accepted in the world of social and legal thought and in research appears in the book of Judge Dr. Avraham N. Tenenboim, Police and Robbers – Issues in Criminology (available for viewing via the link on Dr. Tenenboim’s page on the Sha’arei Mishpat website). As for the theory of punishment in Jewish law—in Dr. Tenenboim’s article, “Why and for What Do We Punish,” which can also be reached by a link from there.
In any case, the deterrence achieved by punishment is quite limited, especially when one is careful to do justice and convict only someone whose guilt has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The main energy should be invested in preventing crime through policing, supervision, and effective intelligence that will prepare the remedy before the blow and prevent the crime in advance.
And before everything else, investment in education and in creating a proper social climate, which will prevent from the outset the descent of people into the world of crime. When a person feels emptiness and despair, the road to a descent into crime is easy. When a person knows that there is someone who cares about him, who will give him attention and support and show him a friendly face in a time of distress, it is easier to remain on the good path.
With blessings, Sh. Tz. Levinger
What is the difference between heaping it on and punishing the innocent? From the standpoint of deterring the public (when it believes that the punished person is indeed the offender), I do not see the difference between deterrent-punishment added to the guilty person beyond the punishment for guilt, and deterrent-punishment of the innocent.
And in punishments whose severity can be measured in a fairly continuous way (number of lashes, number of minutes in prison, amount of the fine), one can seemingly separate entirely the contribution of each of the components (guilt, protection, deterrence of the offender, and deterrence of the public).
Therefore, seemingly the consideration of deterrence (toward the public) amounts to sending one person as a scapegoat into the wilderness for the public good, exactly like the soldier who may die that you mentioned. And we chose specifically the guilty person only because otherwise the public would not be deterred (for the same law would apply to the sinner and the upright), with the practical difference being a case where the public would believe the judge. That is, the consideration of deterrence by its nature is a sufficient condition, is it not?
Thanks for the sources. It is just important to distinguish between deterrence and protection.
As I already wrote, and I will repeat again: I do not agree. One does not punish someone who is innocent and has done no wrong just in order to deter (even if it would be effective). The offender’s guilt requires punishment in itself (as retribution) and also justifies giving additional punishment for the sake of deterrence.
With God’s help,
First, thank you for the article and for the whole wellspring of creativity.
Does a fear of danger from a person constitute grounds that justify imprisoning him? Is danger to the public something that stands above the other values (such as individual liberty, in this case) in so sweeping a way? By this logic one should take no risk in life at all.
Driving a car is also an act with risk attached to it, and yet we do not refrain from taking such a risk. Therefore the claim that there is a “step function” such that beyond a certain threshold one should take no risk at all seems unrealistic to me. In reality there is a range of considerations that make it possible to assess risks and prepare accordingly.
Since that is so, the balancing of these risks should be done by the court, on the assumption that the period of imprisonment will make possible the rehabilitation of the prisoner (which admittedly does not happen, as I will add at the end), with a certain probability of error.
Therefore, in my opinion, a person who was convicted, sentenced, and released is no different from a person who has never committed a crime but there is concern that he may commit one. The reason he has already been in prison is not relevant for the purposes of this discussion.
Beyond that, I certainly agree that the current method of punishment by imprisonment does not address the main problem, which is rehabilitating the prisoner and supporting his return to the right path. It may be that the model in which a thief is sold as a Hebrew slave (and perhaps also the one in which an inadvertent killer is exiled to a city of refuge) points to the method preferable according to halakhah, in which the main effort should be the rehabilitation of the prisoner by integrating him into a normative society and not imprisoning him together with other prisoners.
Best regards,
David
Hello David.
Indeed, a fear of danger justifies imprisonment. That is the essence of the law of the pursuer. The question of the intensity of the danger is another question, and certainly there is no sharp line here. It depends on the nature of the risk (theft, large or small, murder, etc.) and on its level (the likelihood of its materializing). Still, the central consideration for imprisonment should be protection and deterrence, not retribution. Therefore the question of binary distinction is not central here. It arises only in the context of the justification for harming one person in order to protect another. The justification for imprisoning a guilty person in order to protect others is greater than imprisoning one who is not guilty. True, in the law of the pursuer, which is a great threat and a direct danger, one may justify harming even one who is not guilty, so long as he is defined as a pursuer (such as a minor who is a pursuer), but more indirect dangers that do not fall under the category of pursuer require justifications of guilt.
As for rehabilitation, I ignored it because prison is not the appropriate place for that. Therefore I do not see how a consideration of rehabilitation is taken into account at all when we punish here. True, even within the existing framework they try to do something, but it is almost meaningless.
Therefore I do not agree with your assumption that a person who has been tried and convicted is like a person who has not sinned. Not at all. He has already committed a crime, and therefore there are two parameters against him: 1. The justification (guilt): he deserves to be harmed in order to protect the environment. 2. The level of risk: here the risk is proven, since he has already committed the crime (it is not merely a concern).
A short funny video on the topic by Semyon Grafman:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwJAdMjYRm7IR1FCVGFncGNYejg
Truth be told, this is not because it is funny. Every word is true.
Though I do not know whether under the rules of engagement they do not shoot a fleeing terrorist. If so—then that is very serious.
A.:
I read today your fascinating remarks on your website, but I have reservations regarding the concept of punishment— as far as I know, punishment is always negative retribution for a harmful act that has already been carried out. Harm by the sovereign against a person who has not yet carried out his design cannot be considered punishment but rather deterrence!
Another matter that you did address but refrained from developing [and rightly so— in my opinion because of its complexity!] is the punishment that should be imposed on a thief who stole an item of small value. After all, imprisoning him burdens society, and in practice it does not spare society from the thief’s punishment once he leaves prison, this time more cunning and with connections he has woven with veteran criminals…
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The rabbi:
There is no point in getting hung up on the word “punishment.” Call it whatever you want. Bottom line, society needs to protect its members from criminals, and less to repay them according to their evil. Prison is such a tool, and it should be used wisely for the sake of protecting society. That is not what happens today. As far as I am concerned, even someone who steals a shekel should sit in prison for the rest of his life or until it is assessed that he no longer poses a danger. As I explained, the proper consideration should be risk and protection, not the severity of the offense.
That is precisely the catch: the thief, while still a child, is placed in an institution for rehabilitation, from which, in the best case, only half of its graduates are indeed rehabilitated.
The rest deteriorate, and for every theft worth a few hundred shekels, they need to be imprisoned and much larger sums of public money need to be spent in order to prevent them from harming the public.
From a purely economic point of view, certainly this is not worthwhile, so what is proper to do?
It is agreed that one should dry up the social swamps that produce these criminals.
According to your view, is it proper that the establishment should do this, or what?…
All these are factual considerations. I am dealing with the principle. In principle, every thief should be imprisoned for life or until we assess that the danger has passed. In any case, not according to the severity of his act. If there are problems—funding, utility, and so on—they should be discussed separately. But that is not my topic.
Hello to the honorable rabbi.
According to what I understood from the rabbi’s words, that in a punishment whose purpose is deterrence/protection, considerations of proportionality are not relevant (because one should do whatever will cause the criminal not to commit the crime), it would be proper to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza right now. I am certain that afterward there would not be a single attack and you could even walk around Shechem and Ramallah undisturbed. Yet despite all this, it does not seem reasonable to me that the rabbi holds that it is right to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza.
I would be grateful for the rabbi’s reply.
First, such a bomb would harm many innocent people. If it were possible to drop an atomic bomb on the terrorists alone, I would gladly do so. What is the difference between killing someone with a bullet and killing him with an atomic bomb?
And if you are speaking about the high level of suffering caused by an atomic bomb (and not about harm to the innocent surroundings), which is of course not correct because there is no more suffering here, but even if there were—then one must also take two other factors into account: 1. Whether the problem can be prevented at the price of less suffering. If so—there is no justification for mere torture (for that is punishment and not prevention). Or at least such justification would then indeed depend on the severity of the offense. 2. In our case we are talking about extending imprisonment, meaning the consideration is purely quantitative. But great suffering versus small suffering (an atomic bomb versus a bullet) is already not a quantitative question, and that is not what I was talking about. In other words, imprisonment is pure prevention, and its punitive dimension is negligible (true, the person suffers, but he suffers mainly because he is being kept locked up, and that itself is what has to be done because of prevention). By contrast, an atomic bomb has a high punitive dimension, and therefore there might perhaps be room to consider the severity of the offense. I will only note that consideration 2 is not significant in my opinion. I brought it more as a distinction than as a decisive argument.
As for the question why a liberal conception agrees to put offenders in prison but does not accept the very existence of prohibition, the matter is clear to me in light of the teaching of my teacher Locke:
Citizens retain their natural rights, namely life, liberty, and property, and the only thing they give up is the right of vengeance. They entrust their power to punish to the sovereign, so that he becomes the only body authorized to punish. Under no circumstances did the citizens entrust their moral conscience to the state, and therefore it cannot tell citizens what is permitted and what is forbidden; that is not its authority. Accordingly, a citizen may break the law if in his eyes it is unjust, knowing that he will be punished for it.