God and the World – Lesson 8
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Table of Contents
- God’s involvement in the world versus the laws of nature and human choice
- Involvement in history and the pedagogical consideration
- The “large-scale” thesis and the dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad
- A statistical explanation of Maimonides: the law of large numbers and tipping the scales
- Criticism of the possibility of involvement only at the collective level
- Hidden miracles, indications, and the burden of proof
- Torah versus science: prior presumption, current presumption, and a policy change
- A model of gradual withdrawal as an expression of trust
- The “celestial teapot” thesis and the rejection of unfalsifiable theses
- Questions from the audience: Nachmanides, interpretation, uncertainty, and induction
Summary
General overview
The text argues that a systematic, scientific way of looking at the world leads to the conclusion that there is no clear indication of God’s involvement, and that experiences of a “miracle” often stem from poor statistical intuition and the law of small numbers. It rejects any binding theological reading of historical events such as the Holocaust and the founding of the State of Israel, and places at the center the question of the burden of proof: whoever claims there is involvement needs to show real signs of it. It examines the “large-scale” thesis through the dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad in the Laws of Repentance, and proposes a statistical-structural explanation of Maimonides, while concluding that even influence on large processes requires some influence on particulars. It suggests reconciling the Bible with our current picture of the world through the claim that there was a historical change in divine policy and a gradual withdrawal from open miracles and prophecy, and it criticizes positions about hidden miracles that cannot be falsified as resembling Bertrand Russell’s “celestial teapot.”
God’s involvement in the world versus the laws of nature and human choice
The text states that people interpret statistical anomalies and supposed miracles as the result of the “law of small numbers” and a lack of statistical skill, and therefore a strong feeling that something was miraculous is not a real basis for divine involvement. It formulates the main consideration as the absence of any clear indication that God is involved, and argues that the ordinary view is that the world operates in a constant, orderly way and according to the laws of nature. It allows for the principled possibility of isolated interventions that cannot be tested or ruled out, but places the burden of proof on whoever claims there is involvement, not on whoever claims there is not.
Involvement in history and the pedagogical consideration
The text describes a tendency to interpret historical events on a theological plane in opposite directions, where the very same Holocaust can be seen as punishment for opponents of Zionism or, conversely, as the result of opposition to it, with the common assumption being that the Holocaust was an act of God and only the interpretation of its purpose changes. It presents a “pedagogical consideration,” according to which the systematic failure to teach lessons through history shows that God apparently is not trying to teach through events, because if He wanted to convey a message, He would succeed, being all-powerful. It adds that this pedagogical failure rules history out as a vehicle for messages, though it does not rule out the possibility that history is generated by God for other reasons; at that point it returns to the scientific starting point, which speaks of the consistent operation of nature without visible interventions.
The “large-scale” thesis and the dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad
The text presents a thesis according to which individual events are governed by nature and free choice, while God steers the large historical processes. It cites Maimonides in the Laws of Repentance, chapter 6, halakhah 5, who interprets “and they shall enslave them and afflict them” and “and this people will rise up and go astray” to mean that it was not decreed that any particular person must sin; rather, what was given was “the way of the world,” and any individual could have refrained from sinning even though the collective outcome was expected to occur. It cites the Raavad’s critique, which calls Maimonides’ words “lengthy words lacking substance” and “childish talk,” and argues that if there is a general decree then it must apply to particulars, and that one cannot separate the collective from the individual because the collective is nothing but the sum of the individuals.
A statistical explanation of Maimonides: the law of large numbers and tipping the scales
The text explains Maimonides’ logic through the law of large numbers, in which random results from many trials organize into a stable distribution, so that the structure of the system “dictates” the big picture without determining every single event. It suggests that this is how one can understand a statement about a collective outcome through a “tipping of the scales” in individual dilemmas, so that each individual still has free choice, but statistically a general direction emerges. It distinguishes between the Egyptians, where one can speak of creating circumstances that lead to enslavement, and “and this people will rise up and go astray,” which is read as a prophecy or diagnosis rather than a decree, where God “sees” an existing tendency and therefore predicts that a significant public will fail, without determining who the actual names will be.
Criticism of the possibility of involvement only at the collective level
The text argues that even if we are talking about statistical biasing, the very shaping of tendencies means involvement at the level of the individual, because the large process is produced through the decisions of individuals and through material processes in their brains and bodies. It states that influence on the large scales requires some influence on the small scales as well, and therefore the claim that God is involved only in broad historical processes “doesn’t hold water” at the principled level. It points to another difficulty that remains even after the idea of tipping the scales: theoretically, all individuals could choose the good, and then the prophecy or decree would not be fulfilled; and if the outcome must nonetheless occur, then a moment is required at which someone’s choice is taken away, which brings the claim back to particular involvement.
Hidden miracles, indications, and the burden of proof
The text states that large scales do not provide proof of a miracle, because large processes also have natural explanations, and from here the debate returns to the question of whether there are deviations on the small scales. It allows a “non-constructive existential statement” of the possibility of hidden involvement that cannot be identified, but rejects claims of knowledge according to which “this specific event is a miracle” in the absence of an open miracle that runs against the laws of nature. It argues that whoever presents hidden involvement as a thesis immune to refutation is required to bring evidence, and that in the absence of an indication, the initial assumption is that nature operates according to its laws.
Torah versus science: prior presumption, current presumption, and a policy change
The text describes an opposing claim according to which the Bible describes miracles and involvement, and therefore the burden of proof lies on whoever claims there is none; then it presents a clash between the prior presumption of the Bible and the current presumption of the scientific picture of the world. It proposes a solution based on the example of a ritual bath that had been full and was found lacking, which leads to the conclusion that there is no contradiction but rather a change at an unknown point in time, and it parallels this to the claim that divine policy changed over the course of history. It argues that in the past there were open miracles and prophecy and today there are not, so a change is already agreed upon; consequently, the claim that the hidden dimension has remained as it was requires proof and cannot rely only on what is described in the Bible.
A model of gradual withdrawal as an expression of trust
The text offers a possible explanation for the withdrawal: God behaves like a parent who accompanies a child and then gives him independence, and as humanity matures with science, technology, and the capacity for thought, the involvement decreases. It interprets what is perceived as the hiding of the divine face not as punishment but as an expression of trust and an expectation of human responsibility. It emphasizes that there is no certainty that this is the divine logic, but the very possibility of a coherent explanation prevents one from dismissing the withdrawal thesis, especially in light of the open indications of the end of prophecy and the absence of open miracles.
The “celestial teapot” thesis and the rejection of unfalsifiable theses
The text uses Bertrand Russell’s example of a small teapot orbiting Jupiter to argue that a thesis that cannot be tested or refuted is suspect and does not receive a “fifty-fifty” probability. It compares this to the claim that God is involved “at every step of the way” while no sign of that is ever seen, and from that concludes that there is no reason to assume involvement without indications. It ends by saying that whoever claims divine involvement bears the burden of proof, whereas the position that relies on the laws of nature and human choice stands as the default.
Questions from the audience: Nachmanides, interpretation, uncertainty, and induction
The text includes a question that sharpens the point that no symmetric move was being claimed from open miracles to hidden miracles; rather, open miracles in the past serve to deflect an objection from the Bible against the present assumption of non-involvement. It includes the comment that these remarks run against Nachmanides’ position, “from the hidden miracles we learn about the open miracles,” and “a person has no share in the Torah of Moses unless he believes that all our occurrences are miracles,” with the response that distinguishes between “the Torah of Moses son of Nachman” and “the Torah of Moses son of Amram.” It presents the problem of interpretation and the “hermeneutic circle” as an inherent difficulty when there is no independent source that decides between interpretations, and states that despite the uncertainty there is a right and a wrong, but there is no way to achieve full certainty and “we have been condemned to live under conditions of uncertainty.” It answers a side question about Sherlock Holmes by saying that the inference is induction, and even “abduction,” and it addresses the question about Maimonides and the Raavad by saying that the statistical understanding can explain Maimonides, but still leaves the principled difficulty that influence on the collective passes through particulars.
Full Transcript
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Last time we talked about the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in the world—or over the last few sessions—the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in the world vis-à-vis the laws of nature and vis-à-vis human free choice. And I also spoke about what leads people to think that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved—things like the law of small numbers, all kinds of miracles that are the result of various statistical anomalies, and that usually this is simply a lack of statistical skill. People have some very strong feeling that a miracle happened to them, but when you think about it in a more systematic way, you see that this has no real basis. And therefore, really, beyond any positive assertion, it seems to me that the main consideration is simply the absence of indication. Meaning, there doesn’t seem to be any clear indication that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved. After that I moved on to the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in history. And I said that we tend to interpret historical events on the theological plane in various directions. The Holocaust was the example I gave, it seems to me, or the establishment of the State, or various events of that kind, where we are used to seeing some occurrence with theological significance, both for good and for bad. Meaning, people who support Zionism will see the Holocaust as a punishment given to those who opposed it, and those who oppose it will see the Holocaust as a punishment for those who supported it. But in the end, the common assumption of all sides is that the Holocaust was the handiwork of the Holy One, blessed be He, and the only question is the interpretation—why He did it and for what purpose He did it. And I said that in this context there also arises an argument I called the pedagogical consideration. Meaning, the systematic failure of the Holy One, blessed be He, in His supposed attempts to teach us various lessons through historical events seems to indicate that He probably is not trying to teach us. Because if He were trying to teach us, we may presume that He would also succeed. And the fact that historical events do not teach anyone anything, but only reinforce in each person what he thought beforehand, only means that the teacher is not really succeeding in conveying the message to us. And since the Holy One, blessed be He, is omnipotent, then presumably if He wanted to convey the message He would also succeed, and if He doesn’t succeed that is an indication that He probably does not want to. And I noted that this only means that historical events are not a tool in His hands for conveying messages to us, but it still does not rule out the possibility that He is the one bringing about the historical events—not in order to convey messages to us, but for reasons known only to Him, for example to lead history in a certain direction He wants it to go, regardless of the lessons we derive from the events. But He intervenes in what happens here in order to steer the world, or history, to places or destinations He wants it to reach. So on that issue, I of course cannot rule that out on the basis of the pedagogical consideration, but here the scientific outlook really comes in, the simple outlook that people have, I think, which says that the whole business proceeds according to the laws of nature in a systematic, constant, orderly way and without interventions. And again, as I’ve said more than once, every now and then in such places or at certain times, at very very specific points, maybe He is involved—there is no way to test that or rule it out. But since the ordinary way of looking at things is not like that, it seems to me that the burden of proof is on the one who claims that there is involvement. He may be right, but it seems to me that the burden of proof is on the one who says there is involvement, not on the one who says there is no involvement. On this matter, in the previous class, a claim came up regarding the large scales, and I said I would address it later. What does that mean? There is a thesis that says that while it is true that specific events that happen to a certain person, to a certain factor, to a certain material object, happen because of the laws of nature and the world follows its normal course, still, the Holy One, blessed be He, does steer the large processes of history. Meaning, every person can do whatever he wants, but on the large scale, basically, the Holy One, blessed be He, leads things. Now on this issue, maybe one can strengthen the point a bit by means of an interesting dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad, in the laws of repentance. One second. Here. Laws of Repentance, chapter 6, halakhah 5—I’m sharing it. Maimonides says this, after saying that there is a fundamental principle that every person has choice, and things depend only on us and not on the Holy One, blessed be He, and there is reward and punishment and we are required to repent and so on, so in halakhah 5 he writes as follows: “And what is the meaning of what David said, ‘Good and upright is the Lord; therefore He instructs sinners in the way; He guides the humble…’ and so on? It means that He sent them prophets, informing them of the ways of the Lord and bringing them back to repentance. And also that He gave them the power to learn and understand, for this quality exists in every person, that whenever he is drawn in the ways of wisdom and righteousness he desires them and pursues them. And this is what our rabbis of blessed memory said: ‘If one comes to purify himself, he is assisted,’ meaning he will find himself helped in the matter.” So yes, the Holy One, blessed be He, basically helps us understand and guides us in some way in how to behave properly. And he continues: “But is it not written in the Torah, ‘And they will enslave them and afflict them’—so He decreed upon the Egyptians to do evil?” Right, after all, in the Covenant Between the Pieces, the Holy One, blessed be He, says to Abraham our father about the Egyptians, hundreds of years later: “They will enslave them and afflict them for four hundred years, but I will also judge the nation whom they shall serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions.” So already in the Covenant Between the Pieces, hundreds of years in advance, the Holy One, blessed be He, decrees that the Egyptians will do evil. And it is also written, more verses, “This people will rise and go astray after the foreign gods of the land”—so He decreed upon Israel to worship stars and constellations? And why then does He punish them? So if the Holy One, blessed be He, decreed both on the Egyptians and on the people of Israel to sin, then why do they deserve punishment? So Maimonides says as follows: “Because He did not decree upon a particular known individual that he would be the one to go astray, but rather each and every one of those who went astray after star-worship and constellations—if he had not wanted to worship, he would not have worshipped. The Creator merely informed him of the ordinary course of the world.” What does that sentence mean? Each and every individual has free choice. What the Holy One, blessed be He, said in advance—that Israel would sin or that the Egyptians would sin—He informed him of the ordinary course of the world. We’ll come back to that point in a moment. “To what is this comparable? To someone saying: in this people there will be righteous and wicked people.” Right, someone says that in this people there will be righteous and wicked people. “That does not mean that the wicked person can say that it has already been decreed upon him that he be wicked because He informed Moses that there would be wicked people in Israel, as it says, ‘The poor will never cease from the midst of the land.’” So a person cannot say, “What do you want from me for being wicked? The Holy One, blessed be He, already said in advance that there would be wicked people in Israel.” That is not a claim; things still depended on you. “And so too with the Egyptians—each and every one of those who oppressed and harmed Israel, had he not wanted to harm them, he had permission not to, because He did not decree upon a known individual, but merely informed him that in the end his descendants would be enslaved in a land not theirs. And we have already explained that man has no power to know how the Holy One, blessed be He, knows things that will come to be.” Meaning, Maimonides basically says that the fact that the Holy One, blessed be He, informs us—the Egyptians will enslave Israel, or Israel will rise and go astray after idolatry—this is not considered a prior decree, something that takes away our choice. Each and every one of us has free choice. So how does the Holy One, blessed be He, make these determinations in advance? He determines the ordinary course of the world. What does “the ordinary course of the world” mean? That is the critical point here. So Maimonides explains that each and every human being has free choice, but still, in the large, collective course of things, the Holy One, blessed be He, can determine where the whole system will go. For example, the Holy One, blessed be He, says that the Egyptians will enslave Israel—in general. Now, each and every Egyptian has free choice, but still, after all the Egyptians each make his own choices, the Holy One, blessed be He, is basically saying: the overall picture will be that the Egyptians will enslave Israel, even though each and every one has free choice. How does the Holy One, blessed be He, know this in advance? So this is what Maimonides says: “We have already explained that man has no power to know how the Holy One, blessed be He, knows things that will come to be.” So that is another discussion which we’ll talk about later. But the claim that the Holy One, blessed be He, says this in advance does not compel our choice. Each and every person still has free choice. Why am I bringing Maimonides here in our context? Because it is very reminiscent of the claim I mentioned earlier, that the Holy One, blessed be He, basically steers the large scales of history—where the whole business is going. Every individual can do whatever he wants and has free choice, and all is given over to one’s choice. But in the larger process, the Holy One, blessed be He, basically determines the direction. And that is in fact what Maimonides is saying here. In the large process, Maimonides says: the Egyptians will enslave Israel. Each and every Egyptian has free choice. Or, Israel will worship idolatry. Each and every Israelite has free choice, but generally speaking Israel will worship idolatry. That is basically Maimonides’ claim. I’ll come back to that claim, but first let’s look for a moment at the Raavad. The Raavad objects to him and says this: “But is it not written in the Torah, ‘And they will enslave them and afflict them,’ and so on? Abraham said: these are lengthy words with no seasoning, and by my life I almost say they are the words of a youth.” He’s talking like a child, Maimonides—things with no substance, they’re not seasoned. “Will the Creator say to the idolaters: why did you go astray? And if they say, I did not mention you by name, so that you could say I decreed it upon you?” He is now basically describing what Maimonides explained. Let us say someone went astray and worshipped idolatry, and the Holy One, blessed be He, comes to him with complaints. So he says: what do You want from me? After all, You said that Israel would go astray after idolatry. Then the Holy One, blessed be He, will say to him—this is what Maimonides says—the Holy One, blessed be He, will say to him: but I did not mention your name specifically. I only said that Israel in general would go astray after idolatry. You had free choice. That is the picture of what Maimonides describes. Now to that the Raavad says: “Then the idolaters will say to Him: and upon whom did Your decree fall? Upon those who did not go astray? Then Your decree was not fulfilled.” What is he really arguing here? You decreed that Israel would go astray after idolatry, or that the Egyptians would enslave Israel, and you still claim that each person has free choice. So basically the Raavad’s claim is that if each person has free choice, then how can you determine the large scale? After all, what happens on the large scale is just the sum total of what happens on the small scales. And if everyone on the small scale—each individual person—has free choice, then on the large scale too you cannot know in advance what will happen. Therefore the distinction Maimonides makes between individual people and global, collective processes is groundless. You cannot say that the Holy One, blessed be He, decrees in advance without saying that He takes away choice from individual people. Because if one individual chooses—let’s formulate it this way—say there are one hundred Egyptians, and the Holy One, blessed be He, decreed that the Egyptians would enslave Israel. Now each one has free choice. Ninety-nine Egyptians chose the good; they will not enslave Israel. Does the hundredth Egyptian have free choice? If he too chooses not to enslave, then it comes out that all the Egyptians will not enslave Israel and the decree of the Holy One, blessed be He, will not be fulfilled. So what follows? That the hundredth Egyptian does not have free choice. But that means that even on the individual level, the collective decree of the Holy One, blessed be He, in fact dictates to people how to behave even on the individual level. You cannot make such a sharp division as Maimonides does between the individual plane and the collective plane. The collective plane is nothing other than the sum total of the individual events. And if the individual events are free, then on the collective plane too you cannot know in advance what will happen. And that is what he says. And “we have already explained,” sorry, “but, but ‘this people will rise and go astray,’ yes, I’m reading here. But ‘this people will rise and go astray’—we have already explained that in this matter the knowledge of the Creator is not a decree.” After all, in chapter 5, one chapter earlier, Maimonides says that the prior knowledge of the Holy One, blessed be He, does not compel choice. So here too, the Raavad says, I do not understand the problem that was troubling Maimonides. The fact that the Holy One, blessed be He, said beforehand what would happen does not contradict the fact that we have free choice. And there is no need to arrive at this distinction of Maimonides between the large scales and the individual people. No—even with regard to an individual person, the Holy One, blessed be He, can know in advance what will happen, and that still does not contradict the fact that the person has free choice. So why did Maimonides need to make a distinction between the large scales and the small scales? “And moreover—one moment—and all the more so here, where even Moses said, ‘You will surely act corruptly,’ while I am still alive with you, and all the more after my death.” Even Moses can say this in advance. “And certainly the Creator could say so without a decree. And the matter of the Egyptians is not a question for two reasons.” Right, that it was decreed upon the Egyptians to enslave Israel. “First, because it is known that the Creator exacts punishment from a wicked person only through one more wicked than he. And after He exacts punishment through that one, He returns and exacts punishment from the one more wicked than he for his own wickedness.” What does that mean? Israel got hit because it deserved to get hit. Who hit it? The Egyptians. It’s not that the Egyptians weren’t wicked. They were wicked, and therefore the Holy One, blessed be He, caused them to strike Israel, so that afterward He would also strike them. And if He strikes them by means of a third party, that third party too will get struck, because it too deserves to get struck. He exacts punishment from a wicked person by means of someone more wicked than he. So really this whole story is some kind of chain that the Holy One, blessed be He, rolls along from above. It is somewhat reminiscent of what we discussed regarding the Talmud in Makkot, right? What is the case of accidental manslaughter? One person is liable to death and another liable to exile, so the Holy One, blessed be He, brings them both to one inn. The one liable to death is below, and the one liable to exile is above. Then the iron slips from the wood, the person below dies as he deserved, and the person above goes into exile as he deserved. And on that I already commented—I think I mentioned that Talmud passage—basically the Talmud says that every accidental killing is arranged by the Holy One, blessed be He, because there was someone who deserved exile. So the Holy One, blessed be He, arranged that he would now accidentally kill someone and then receive the exile he deserved. And the question that arises here is of course: how did the first liability to exile arise? That person was liable to exile because he had committed accidental manslaughter previously, only there were no witnesses, so he did not get the exile he deserved. So the Holy One, blessed be He, brings him to an inn where he will commit accidental manslaughter in front of witnesses, and then he’ll get the exile he deserves. Now I ask: why did he commit accidental manslaughter in that earlier case where there were no witnesses? That did not happen because he deserved exile—after all, he was not exiled. Right? So why did he kill accidentally there? Or alternatively: when was the first accidental killing that started the whole chain and created the first liability to exile? That first one itself is not based on a prior liability to exile, because it is the first. Meaning, this explanation cannot be a full explanation. Okay? Therefore this claim that the Holy One, blessed be He, exacts punishment from a wicked person by means of someone more wicked than he is a very strange claim. Because in the end there has to be some beginning to this chain, and the beginning cannot be explained in this way. So the beginning was not done by the Holy One, blessed be He. So if the beginning was not done by the Holy One, blessed be He, but rather some person simply decided to be wicked, then why can’t we say the same thing about the subsequent links in the chain? If you already decide that people can do something even without the Holy One, blessed be He, activating them, then why stop at the first link in the chain? Say it about the later links too. Therefore this claim of the Raavad is problematic. And so he says—I continue reading—“And so it says, ‘Ah, Assyria, the rod of My anger,’ and ‘when your destruction is complete you shall be destroyed’—meaning, because of your wickedness and your arrogance of heart and your boasting against Me. And the Egyptians too were wicked and deserving of those blows. And had they listened to Moses at first and sent Israel away, they would not have been stricken nor drowned in the sea, but Pharaoh’s willful wickedness and his contempt for the Creator, blessed be He, in the presence of His messenger Moses, caused it.” That is the first answer: that the Holy One, blessed be He, exacts punishment from the wicked by means of one more wicked. “And the second: because the Creator said, ‘and they will afflict them,’ but they enslaved them with crushing labor and killed some of them and drowned some of them, as it says, ‘I was a little angry, but they helped for evil’; therefore they became liable.” Meaning, they volunteered more than what the Holy One, blessed be He, commanded them to do. But that again is a very problematic business. So that means that indeed one can do things even without the Holy One, blessed be He, deciding on them. First of all, you can already see that from the Raavad, right? That one can do things even without the Holy One, blessed be He, deciding on them. After all, the Holy One, blessed be He, decided that the Egyptians would harm Israel at level X, and they did it at level 2X. So that means that this delta, this addition, they did without the Holy One, blessed be He, commanding it. So in any case, the Raavad does not end up saying that the Holy One, blessed be He, dictates everything that happens here in the world. But for our purposes that is less important. I want to talk a bit about the matter of the large scales themselves, and that is why I brought this Maimonides and Raavad. Really, what I wanted to show from Maimonides was an example of this logic that distinguishes between what happens to private individuals and what happens on the large scales of history, on the level of nations, on the level of historical processes. And the claim is that the Holy One, blessed be He, directs the large scales, even though every individual person has free choice. And about this the Raavad asks, saying this is “childish talk,” “unseasoned words.” What does that mean? Surely the collective is nothing but the collection of the particulars that compose it. And if the collective does something, that means that at least some of the particulars do that thing. So it means that in the end the decree of the Holy One, blessed be He, descends also to the scale of the individual person; it does not remain only on the collective level. So what? Does the Holy One, blessed be He, indeed take away choice from human beings on the individual plane? There too, does He in fact dictate what happens, or only on the collective plane? The Raavad says: you cannot affect the collective plane without affecting the individual plane. How do you make it happen that the Egyptians enslave Israel? You bring it about that such-and-such individual Egyptians enslave Israel. So he says that in practical terms, the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, was also on the individual plane, not just on the collective plane. You cannot make this separation that He intervened on the collective plane but not on the individual plane. And in that sense, if I return to our issue, I say the same thing: suppose the Holy One, blessed be He, brought about the Return to Zion, the return of the Jewish people today—I mean in our times—the return of the Jewish people to its land. Because this is a global process, a historical process, every individual has free choice. You cannot say that. You cannot say that because this process in the end was carried out by people. By the steps of specific people who decided to do various things, including the individual who came and settled in the land. Not only the great leadership figures—Herzl and Ben-Gurion and Jabotinsky—but also the individual people. In the end this process is a collective process that happens through each one of the ants that makes up this whole collective. Therefore one cannot say that the Holy One, blessed be He, directs only collective processes but does not direct the individual people—meaning, sorry, does not compel the individual people. So what does Maimonides mean after all? The Raavad asks a good question. So what does Maimonides nevertheless mean? It seems to me that what Maimonides means here is the following claim. Maybe I’ll bring an example. In statistics we know a law called the law of large numbers, probability—the law of large numbers. What does that mean? Suppose you roll a die. So when I ask you what the result of the roll will be, you have no way of knowing. There are six outcomes—let’s talk about a fair die for the sake of the discussion—there are six possible outcomes, you cannot tell me in advance what the outcome will be. But now I say to you: let’s roll this die six billion times. And now I ask you what the result will be. Now you actually can tell me. With a very, very high approximation, there will be a billion times on one, a billion times on two, a billion on three, and so on. The distribution is uniform, it’s a fair die, and therefore when the numbers are large, when the number of rolls is very high, then we already know that the occurrences of the outcomes will be distributed equally among the numbers. When I roll it six times I cannot say that it will be once on one, once on two—once on two, once on three—there is almost no chance that will happen. When you roll six times, there is no chance that it will come out exactly once on each face. That will almost never happen. But if you roll six billion times, then always—if you run such experiments of six billion each time—you’ll see that in all those experiments it will be roughly a billion each time. A billion plus a hundred, a billion plus a thousand, but around a billion, meaning a negligible deviation relative to a billion. And that is what is called the law of large numbers, which is a very strange and confusing thing, by the way. It is very strange and confusing because apparently, if there is no dependence between one throw of the die and the next throw of the die, then how do the results of all the throws organize themselves exactly according to this distribution of a billion on each face? After all, they know nothing about each other. Each roll has its own result; it doesn’t know. That’s the miracle of the law of large numbers. And the miracle is even greater. The fact that the results arrange themselves as a billion on each face is because of the independence, not despite the independence. Because there is no dependence between one roll and the next, therefore the distribution is uniform. If there were dependence between the rolls, the result would be different. Meaning, not only is independence not an objection to the uniform distribution, independence is the basis for the uniform distribution. Because there is independence, therefore it will fall an equal number of times on each face. And the greater the number of rolls, the closer and closer we get to the theoretical probability, right? A sixth of the time on one, a sixth of the time on two, and so on. That is what is called the law of large numbers. When the number of rolls tends to infinity, it will fall exactly on a sixth of the—this is the limit, right? Or the central limit theorem, as it is called in statistics. That means that when the number of rolls tends to infinity, then the fraction of the rolls that falls on each face converges to one sixth. Okay? That is basically the law of large numbers. What does it mean? It means that a very interesting miracle is happening here, namely that everything proceeds in a completely arbitrary and random way, but the result is a very well-organized result. Or in other words, whoever built the die and made sure that the die would be a fair die—meaning that the chance of each face is the same chance—basically dictated the result of the experiment with six billion throws. Even though on each individual throw he does not touch it; whatever comes out comes out, he doesn’t care. Still, the big picture is dictated in advance by the structure of the die. If for example he had made a die that has some tendency toward the face five, to land on face five, an unfair die—say face five comes up with twice the probability of the other faces, somehow the die is heavier in that direction or something like that—then the result would be, I know in advance, that the result would be that it falls one seventh of the time on each number and two sevenths on the number five. Right? That would be the result. Or in other words, when I build the die, the structure of the die dictates not what will happen on each throw. On each throw, whatever happens happens, I have no control. But it does dictate what the picture will be on the large scales. When you throw seven billion times, I’ll tell you exactly how it all will come out. And that, I think, is an example of what Maimonides wants to claim here. Basically what Maimonides is saying is this: when the Holy One, blessed be He, decreed concerning the Egyptians that they would enslave Israel, what He did was in fact tilt the scales of the dilemma faced by each Egyptian in favor of enslavement. Right? He has a dilemma whether to enslave Israel or not to enslave Israel. So if, let’s say, ordinarily it was fifty-fifty—I’m just throwing out numbers, of course it should probably have been much less—but let’s say fifty-fifty, then the Holy One, blessed be He, turned it into sixty-forty. He created some circumstances. What does that mean? Each and every Egyptian can decide not to enslave Israel. Because after all he can decide in the direction of the forty percent. Okay? Maybe it will be a little harder for him to decide that, but he can, he has free choice. But if you look at a billion Egyptians, or a million Egyptians, then you’ll see that six hundred thousand of them enslave and four hundred thousand do not enslave. Meaning that tilting the balances of the large process really does dictate the outcome on the large scale, even though each and every Egyptian has a free decision and can choose not to enslave Israel. You can have control over the large scales without explicitly intervening on the small scale. That is basically the claim. I think that is what Maimonides means to say. By the way, let us say one more thing. Maimonides brings two examples. One example is the enslavement of Israel by the Egyptians. The second example is “this people will rise and go astray,” the anticipated sin of Israel, that they will go worship idolatry. And in the second case it is even more far-reaching, because it is quite clear that Maimonides does not mean to say that the Holy One, blessed be He, tilted the scales so that sixty percent would worship idolatry and forty percent would not. The Holy One, blessed be He, did not decree on us to worship idolatry; He predicted that we would worship idolatry. With the Egyptians, you can say that He decreed that they would enslave Israel, and even there one can discuss whether He decreed it or not. But with regard to the fact that Israel would go astray after idolatry, there it is quite clear that this is not a prior decree of the Holy One, blessed be He, but a prediction. He simply said that this is what would happen. There what is happening is not that He designed the die, but that He made a diagnosis of the die. He says: the way I see Israel, it seems to me that right now they are in a state where the scale in favor of idolatry weighs sixty percent and not fifty, and therefore I predict that at some stage there will be a significant public in Israel that worships idolatry. Not because I caused them to do it—the Holy One, blessed be He, does not cause Israel to worship idolatry. On the contrary, He wants them not to worship idolatry. So how does He predict in advance that they will? Because He sees the scales. Each one has free choice, but He sees that the distribution is not fifty-fifty but sixty-forty, and therefore He can say in advance that generally there will be quite a few idol worshippers. Who exactly will be an idol worshipper? Each one has free choice, and therefore He does not determine by name who will worship idolatry and who will not worship idolatry. He determines the general weights. The general weights will express themselves in the distribution of the people who do or do not worship idolatry. So if with the Egyptians one can talk about the Holy One, blessed be He, determining the weights so that they enslave Israel, with the prediction that Israel will worship idolatry that is probably only observation, not determination—not that the Holy One, blessed be He, caused Israel to worship idolatry, but that He simply predicted; He saw the situation, He saw that there was some problematic tendency in Israel toward idolatry, and then He says: I can already see that in the future what will happen is that there will be quite a few idol worshippers in Israel. And this, I think, is what Maimonides writes above, that the Holy One, blessed be He, “the Creator merely informed him”—do you see?—“the ordinary course of the world.” Right, “each and every one of those who went astray after star-worship and constellations—had he not wanted to worship, he would not have worshipped”; everyone has free choice. So what did the Holy One, blessed be He, inform in advance regarding the Egyptians or regarding Israel worshipping idolatry? “The Creator merely informed him of the ordinary course of the world.” Meaning, I’m telling you that I simply see the structure of the spiritual weights standing before these people, and I’m telling you that statistically this is what will come out. Who exactly will be among the sixty percent that worship idolatry and who not? I do not know; each one has free choice. But generally I’m telling you that it will divide up somehow sixty-forty. This is an example of the possibility of controlling the large scales without intervening in the small scales. The small scales proceed in a completely free way, but the large scales are dictated in advance by the Holy One, blessed be He. Or in other words, if we return to the example of the die, the Holy One, blessed be He, builds the die in such a way that overall the throws, the whole picture, is dictated by Him. Each and every throw—you don’t know what will come out there. Or if we return to historical events, the Holy One, blessed be He, builds our culture, the atmosphere in which we act, in such a way that in the end there will be a movement among the Jewish people that returns to the Land of Israel. Who exactly will do it and who won’t, who will join, who will oppose, who will support? Free choice—each one decides what he wants. But since the Holy One, blessed be He, built the die, shaped the die, in the parable of course, the circumstances within which each one makes his choices, then the Holy One, blessed be He, has the ability to shape what will happen on the historical scale, on the large scale, even though each and every person has free choice. I think that is what Maimonides intends to say here, and then it can provide support for the claim about the large scales that came up in the previous class. It seems to me that Moishy raised this claim in the previous class. So here this thing really is possible, but one must pay attention to the following point. Assuming that the Holy One, blessed be He, really did shape the die. This basically means that the Holy One, blessed be He, does intervene on the individual scale. Meaning, there were people who would have made certain choices, and because of the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, they will make other choices, because otherwise the distribution would be like the distribution of a fair die, right? Meaning, if the Holy One, blessed be He, shapes the die differently, that means that in each and every throw the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved. True, the two outcomes can be in either direction. Meaning, the die can fall on one or on two, but the statistics on each and every throw are sixty-forty and not fifty-fifty. It is not only on the large scales. After all, the Holy One, blessed be He, built the die differently. That means that in every throw when you roll the die, the hand of the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved here—not only on the large scale. The large scale is built through involvement in every event on the small scales. Okay, that is basically the claim, and therefore in the end the Raavad is right at the principled level. Meaning, suppose the Holy One, blessed be He, built the die in such a way that it has a tendency—you know what, let’s take a coin, not a die, it has only two outcomes, heads or tails. Fine? So the Holy One, blessed be He, basically created the coin in such a way that heads—heads is idolatry, okay? Asherah. So the tendency toward idolatry is sixty percent versus the tendency not to worship idolatry, which is forty percent. Okay? Suppose the Holy One, blessed be He, did this. Then what this means is that there will be people who, without the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, would not have worshipped idolatry, and after the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, they decide to worship idolatry. Or in other words, the Holy One, blessed be He, intervened in how this person is functioning. Because in the end, if people choose to worship idolatry, we are talking about a collection of specific, individual people, and each one of them who decided this decided it because of the change in the relative weights that the Holy One, blessed be He, made. Therefore the Raavad is right. In the end there is involvement here also on the level of the individual people; you cannot say there isn’t. It is just an involvement…
[Speaker B] Why do you need to say sixty-forty? Why not fifty-fifty?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] It doesn’t matter. That’s why I’m saying it’s just an example.
[Speaker B] Fine, and then there’s supposedly no intervention by the Holy One, blessed be He?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, there is intervention. If the tendency were fifty-fifty, then I too could have predicted that they would worship idolatry, because if it’s fifty-fifty then I know that fifty percent will worship idolatry. That’s why I’m saying it’s just an example. My claim is that if it were fifty-fifty, people would overcome it and would not worship idolatry, because they would choose the good; they would fight against that fifty percent. But if it’s made sixty-forty, then people still struggle, but still there will be those who fail. Okay? It’s only for the sake of the example, of course; it’s only to illustrate the idea, the logic. So the claim in practice is that when the Holy One, blessed be He, influences the large scales, clearly there is also involvement in the small scales. You cannot influence only the large scales without going through the small scales; there is no such thing. Okay? Therefore when you say that the Holy One, blessed be He, determines the large scales, what you’ve said is that He also intervenes in what happens to the individual person, or to the individual particle if you like, or to some specific individual body. It’s just that the involvement there is an involvement that does not determine the result but only tilts the scale more in the direction the Holy One, blessed be He, wants to produce. Okay? Therefore everyone still has choice. Maybe it’s harder for him, but he still has choice. He can choose good, he can choose evil. The Holy One, blessed be He, only determined the general picture. But now I’m going to ask the Raavad’s question once again. Suppose ninety-nine percent of the people chose not to worship idolatry. Fine? There is free choice; in principle that could happen. Maybe a small chance, but there is a chance it could happen. Two to the power of minus ninety-nine—that’s the probability. If each person has fifty-fifty, then the chance is one-half for one person, so for ninety-nine people choosing that it’s one-half to the ninety-ninth power. Okay? So that’s the probability, assuming there is dependence between the people, of course. So the probability is very, very small, but it exists. Theoretically such a thing could happen. What will happen now with the hundredth person?
[Speaker C] I asked on the side the question that Shoshan asked. He said something and then came to raise his own question. So—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] What happens in the end with the hundredth person? Does he have free choice or not? One of two things. Either he does not have free choice, and then again the Holy One, blessed be He, has already intervened in a blunt way, because He decided what this person would do—not merely tilted the scales in the desired direction—or else, theoretically, it can really happen that the prior prophecy of the Holy One, blessed be He, will not be fulfilled. If by chance all the Egyptians chose the good. They would enslave Israel? After all, each and every one has free choice, says Maimonides; the determination is only a collective determination. So I explained that what a collective determination means is a tilting of the scales in choice. Fine—but even when the scales are tilted, there can still be a situation in which all the Egyptians choose the good. A very small probability, but possible. Such a situation can happen. And then what? Then that means that the Holy One, blessed be He, did not correctly predict what would happen. And then all this means, overall, is that it really can be that what the Holy One, blessed be He, says in advance will not happen. He says—what Maimonides writes—He states the ordinary course of the world, right? He says what is expected to happen if no unusual things occur here, in the normal statistics. But if by chance there is some mobilization and everyone chooses the good, fine, then it could be that what the Holy One, blessed be He, said in advance will not happen. Or alternatively, that the Holy One, blessed be He, will intervene and force at least one of the Egyptians or one of the Jews to do what He had determined in advance would be done. And then it is indeed intervention. Therefore in the end one cannot escape the point that even when you talk about involvement on the large scales, in the final analysis the Holy One, blessed be He, moved an electron here that was not supposed to move according to the laws of nature, even at the individual, microscopic, specific level. Because in the end the large processes happen to people, and people are driven by material processes; people are bodily creatures. Therefore in the end there is indeed involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, also on the individual plane. There is no such thing as involvement only on the large scale without involvements on the small scales. There is no such thing. Therefore the argument that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved in the large scales but not in the small scales does not hold water on the theoretical, principled level. One can of course say that the Holy One, blessed be He, makes such small interventions that we do not notice them, and that they appear in the large scales. Meaning, the Jewish people returns to its land. How did that happen? Because the Holy One, blessed be He, moved some electron in the brain of ten people, nine of whom ignored that electron, but Ben-Gurion did not ignore it, or Herzl did not ignore it, and he worked with it. So in the end the Holy One, blessed be He, moved Herzl to a place Herzl would not have gone without the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He. There was involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, also on the individual, specific scale, not only on the large scale. And if so, I return again to what I said earlier: if I assume that on the individual scales the Holy One, blessed be He, does not intervene, because things proceed according to the laws of nature or human choices, then on the large scales too there cannot be involvement. You cannot make that separation. You can say that there is involvement on the large scales, but that’s just words. All you can say, if you insist, is that there is involvement on the small scales in places where I don’t notice it—which I said from the outset I cannot rule out. Sporadic interventions, right? Specific interventions in various particular places where nobody notices, but something there deviated from the laws of nature. Therefore in the end the large scales do not help at all.
[Speaker E] In the end the question is whether there is
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] involvement at the small scales too—just maybe involvement that we don’t notice, in specific places and times, where nobody noticed that something happened there that contradicted the laws of nature. But there has to be something like that, because there can’t be involvement on the large scale without something also happening on the small scales. Okay? That’s really the claim. And therefore we’re left with the question—and here I’m finishing my response to this proposal about the large scales—we are ultimately left with the question whether the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved at the small scales. That’s the question. Is He involved at the small scales? Maybe in places we don’t notice, it doesn’t matter, but in the end we’re talking about involvement at the small scales. And the question is whether the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved there or not. Now here, as I said before, as I said in the previous lectures, I won’t go over it again, the simple natural way of looking at things is that He is not involved. Because everything that happens—we’re used to it, it’s obvious, it happens, there are laws of nature that explain all these things. Of course, with most things that happen, nobody goes to check whether this body moved because a force acted on it. But it’s completely obvious that if it moved, then apparently a force acted on it. Right? We don’t bother checking because it’s self-evident to us. It’s clear that I’m not claiming that for everything that happens in the world we have also seen the law of nature that caused it, or the cause that produced what happened there. Most things—we don’t look to see whether there was some force there that did it. But our simple assumption says that of course there was. If something happened, then there was some force there that caused it to happen. Right? That’s the process, the simple natural scientific outlook. Not scientific in the sense of scientists, but in the sense of what science describes and what any ordinary person also understands: if a body moves, then a force acted on it. It doesn’t move without a force acting on it; it doesn’t start moving without a force acting on it. That’s all. So in that sense, the way we look at nature says that nature behaves naturally. At most, one can claim that there are various hidden interventions that nobody notices. That’s the only thing one can say. Therefore the large scales and so on are irrelevant here. Because as I said, you can’t bring proof from the large scales. Nobody can tell me that what happened here on the large scales is necessarily a miracle. Absolutely not. There are natural explanations for it too. You can say that it might be a miracle. How? Because there was involvement at the small scales that nobody noticed. Maybe yes, maybe no—I don’t know. Here it depends on whether you accept such involvement at the small scales or not. So the debate remains the same debate I described in the previous lecture. Now the question is: what do we do with such a situation? Seemingly this is an open question, right? An open question, because as I said, I cannot rule out that there are certain points or certain places where the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved. Goes beyond nature—I said that any divine involvement is a departure from nature—but there may be certain places where the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved and departs from nature. I can’t rule that out. My assumption is that usually it doesn’t happen, and therefore anyone who claims that it did happen bears the burden of proof. As long as no proof has been brought to me, I can’t affirm that this happened. But of course I also can’t rule it out. Here and there it could have happened—although I will usually reject your claim that you also know that this is the case. That I will reject. Meaning, I can claim only on the principled level—what in mathematics is called a non-constructive existence theorem—that there exist moments or certain circumstances in which the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved and produces a hidden miracle that nobody sees. But yes, I will not accept any claim by someone who says: I’m telling you that this specific event is a miracle. You can’t know that it’s a miracle. You can’t know such a thing unless, again, you see an open visible miracle against the laws of nature. But such miracles don’t happen today. So when we talk about miracles, we’re talking about miracles based on the results. The Jewish people returned to its land—that’s definitely a miracle, as everyone says. I deny that. Not because I know it isn’t a miracle, but because you won’t be able to bring me any indication showing that your claim is true. You also can’t know that it’s a miracle, just as I can’t know that it’s a miracle. So maybe yes and maybe no, but there’s no indication either way. And that really brings us to the question of the burden of proof. That’s really the question that determines things here—the burden of proof. What do I mean? You claim that there are divine interventions that perhaps are expressed on the large scales, hidden interventions. And I claim that there aren’t—or at least that there is no indication that there are. Who has to bring the proof? The one who claims there is no divine intervention, or the one who claims there is? So here it’s a question that is, you could say, almost legal—just like in the legal world we always discuss who bears the burden of proof. People usually think this way. They always tell me in all the responses I get to this thesis of the withdrawal of providence, active providence, that the burden of proof is on me. Why is the burden of proof on me? They hang all kinds of arguments on it, for example that all the great Torah sages say otherwise. The great Torah sages know about this exactly what I know about it, so I’m not impressed by that. But there’s another argument that says: the Torah describes miracles—the splitting of the sea, the prophets describe miracles—meaning that in Scripture it’s clear there were miracles. Scripture I also accept. Meaning, Scripture clearly describes that the Holy One, blessed be He, was involved and miracles were performed. If I want to claim that there are no miracles, the burden of proof is on me. Okay, that’s really the claim. Now that’s a claim that has substance, but you have to notice carefully that there are two—I look at this as literally a legal question—there are two problems with this claim. This is basically a claim of presumption. There is an original presumption that the Holy One, blessed be He, was involved, so presumably He is involved now too—you just don’t see it. Okay, that’s basically the claim. So here I say: first of all, there is an original presumption that the Holy One, blessed be He, was involved—but there is also a current presumption that He is not involved, in light of my scientific worldview today. When there is a clash between an original presumption and a current presumption, it’s no longer such a simple matter what I’m supposed to do. Again, I’m not getting into halakhic issues, because Jewish law won’t decide this here; this is a question of common sense. I’m only saying how I relate to this issue. So on the one hand Scripture says what it says, and I agree. Anyone who reads Scripture without bias—it’s pretty clear that it emerges from there that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved in the world. That’s hard to deny. On the other hand, anyone who looks honestly at the physical reality around us has to admit that this reality says that the Holy One, blessed be He, is not involved. And therefore I have two bases: one pulls me in the direction that the burden of proof is really on me—I want to claim that He is not involved, but Scripture says He is; on the other hand, science says He isn’t, and when you want to claim that He is, the burden of proof is on you. This is basically a Torah-and-science problem in a certain sense, but not necessarily a direct contradiction; more a clash over the question of where to place the burden of proof. Is science the starting point, and then to prove that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved you have to bring evidence? Or is the Torah the starting point, and if I want to say that the Holy One, blessed be He, is not involved, then the burden of proof is on me? I think the way out—I wrote a column about this on my website, column 243, about the question of who bears the burden of proof in this matter—and I brought there a certain area in mathematics that helped me explain it a bit: sequences, finding order in random sequences of numbers, complexity, complexity theory, there are all kinds of over-complication and under-complication and things of that sort. But here I’m not getting into the mathematics; whoever wants can look there in that column. I want to describe it more simply. In principle, you can reconcile both things with each other—the original presumption and the current presumption. And what would you say? Think about a mikveh. The mikveh is known to have been valid a week ago. Now I see that it is deficient; it’s short by three logs. So it’s deficient and therefore—or it doesn’t contain forty se’ahs, leave aside the three logs, that’s drawn water—but it doesn’t have forty se’ahs. So it’s no longer valid. Now someone immersed in the mikveh two days ago—do I assume he is pure or not? If you go by the original presumption, the mikveh was valid, and until it is proven deficient it retains the presumption of validity. Today I saw that it is deficient, so from today onward it is deficient; until today the original presumption continues. You could go the opposite way: there is a current presumption. After all, now I see that it is deficient, so let’s go backward and assume that all along it was deficient, unless we have clear proof that it was full—which happened a week ago. Then it would come out that for this entire week my assumption should be that it was deficient. That’s the tension between the original presumption and the current presumption. But leave aside the halakhic question—I’m asking what really happened. There’s a contradiction here, right? Decide: is the mikveh valid or is the mikveh deficient? The answer is: there is no contradiction here. The mikveh was valid a week ago, and it is deficient now. What does that mean? The water somehow leaks out, evaporates, whatever happened—but the water keeps diminishing, and therefore it’s obvious that a change simply happened at some point along the way. I don’t know when the change happened, but that’s really the obvious conclusion, right—that a change happened? The original presumption is right, and the current presumption is right. And to reconcile both of them, I simply draw the obvious conclusion that there was a change at some stage over the course of that week. I want to claim the same thing here. In order to be faithful both to the biblical presumption and to the scientific outlook, I basically say that the obvious conclusion is that apparently there was a change in the middle. And my claim—and this is the claim I also wrote about at length, there is also some article on my site about it, I once wrote it as a response to some woman who asked—is that I think the Holy One, blessed be He, basically changed His policy over the course of history. In ancient history, the policy of the Holy One, blessed be He, was that He was involved; He managed what happened here, at least a significant part of what happened here. What happens today appears to show that He is not involved. Apparently the policy of the Holy One, blessed be He, simply changed. There is no impediment to making that claim. And therefore I say that if I can reconcile the original presumption with the current presumption and claim that the situation simply changed, that’s the best thing. Why assume that science is wrong because the Torah says this, or assume that the Torah is wrong because science says that? I say no—both the Torah is right and science is right, except that the policy of the Holy One, blessed be He, changed over time. He used to be more involved, and slowly He reduced His involvement and withdrew. What’s the idea behind that? Well, I also suggested an idea for this. What do I mean? Think about parents accompanying their children as they raise them. Usually the parent walks hand in hand with the child and helps him and does things for him. And slowly the child stands on his own feet, gains independence, learns how to manage on his own, and then the parent gradually withdraws from the child’s world and lets him function independently without his father’s constant help. And the more he grows, the more his father withdraws; he grows more, his father withdraws even more. At some stage he crosses the street by himself. Later on, I don’t know, he also rides the bus by himself. After that he ends up doing everything by himself. That’s it—he becomes an independent person. My claim is that the accompaniment the Holy One, blessed be He, gave us behaves in a similar way. The Holy One, blessed be He, says: look, friends, now you already have developed science, you already know how to think properly, you have technology, you know how to get along with the world. Okay, so get along—you don’t need Me anymore, you’re no longer children, you’ve matured. And therefore the Holy One, blessed be He, basically leaves the world to run according to the laws of nature and human choices and through human beings. And then I say: all this is of course speculation. I haven’t the slightest idea whether this is the policy of the Holy One, blessed be He. But I offer it as a proposal that gives a possible meaning to the thesis of withdrawal. Because the withdrawal has indications. Because once He was involved and now He doesn’t seem to be involved. So the fact that there is withdrawal—I think on that I’m pretty comfortable. The explanation of why there is withdrawal—why does the Holy One, blessed be He, withdraw?—that’s a proposal. For example, because we are maturing. And then the claim is that what we are used to seeing as punishment or as the hiding of God’s face, that He distances Himself from us—right?—is actually not a punishment at all. On the contrary, it’s an expression of confidence. It basically says: friends, you’re already grown children, you know how to manage on your own; now I expect you not to need Me to hold your hand the whole way. I’m going, gradually, withdrawing gradually, until we reach a situation where He is almost not involved at all, or not involved at all—I don’t know. Okay? So this meaning definitely can strengthen the thesis I’m proposing of gradual withdrawal, because I can even suggest some logic behind this withdrawal. And then of course, again, I don’t know that this is the logic, but once I have a reasonable explanation there is no reason to reject this thesis. That’s my claim. Now I want to say one more thing. There is—this is also a halakhic rule, by the way—if I see that there is an original presumption, but it is a presumption that is liable to change. For example, when a child is born he is a minor, right? Now I have a doubt whether he is an adult or a minor. So they tell me: there is an original presumption—he was a minor; until it is proven that he is an adult, he has the presumption of being a minor. Some commentators say no, that’s not correct, because this is a presumption that is liable to change. Meaning, this is a presumption where already when he was a minor we knew that at some point it would pass—like Rabbi Maimon, if I remember correctly, once said, I don’t remember in what context, that people said someone was too young for his position, and he said: being young is a passing defect. He said: that defect of being young will pass. Right? Meaning, being a child is a passing defect. So the assumption behind a presumption is that what was has some inertia, and until it’s proven to have changed there is no reason to assume it changed. But with a small child it is obvious that at some point it will change; that is built into the original presumption from the start. So here you can’t say there is no reason to assume it changed if it hasn’t been proven. After all, we know for certain that it is going to change. The only question is whether it has already happened or not yet happened. That’s a completely different question. Here it’s no longer so simple that we go by the original presumption. Again, there are disputes about this, the question of when yes and when no. But for our purposes, what I want to claim is that there are situations where despite the existence of an original presumption, there are various indications that undermine it. Or maybe let’s give another example, also halakhic. Suppose I have a doubt whether a woman was given a bill of divorce or not. So I say: this woman had the presumption of being a married woman, and now I have a doubt whether she was given a bill of divorce and is divorced, or whether she was not given one. We leave her with the original presumption. The original presumption, right? That she has the presumption of being a married woman until proven otherwise. Why? Because that is of course a presumption that is not expected to change. Not every woman ends up divorced. If he gave a bill of divorce, it changed; if not, then not. That is a regular presumption. Now what happens if he threw a bill of divorce to the woman, and it landed—doubtfully closer to her, doubtfully closer to him? Right? Mishnah in Yevamot, Mishnah in Gittin, two very similar mishnayot. The bill of divorce fell, possibly closer to her, possibly closer to him. If it is closer to her she is divorced; if closer to him she is not divorced. Tosafot say that in such a situation you can’t go—seemingly you should go after the presumption. She was a married woman, you have a doubt whether she got divorced or not, so she retains the presumption of being a married woman until proven otherwise. Tosafot say no. Why not? Because here you know that a bill of divorce has already been sent, thrown. It’s clear that a bill of divorce was thrown. The only question is whether it landed closer to her or closer to him. In such a case you don’t go after the original presumption, because the original presumption has been weakened. So you can’t go after the original presumption. Or, in other words, in the formulation I gave earlier, what Tosafot is basically saying is that here it is not correct to say that the woman was a married woman and there is no reason to assume this would change, therefore the burden of proof rests on the one who says it changed. Here there is reason to assume it changed—after all, a bill of divorce was thrown here. You have a doubt whether it fell closer to her or closer to him, but first of all, a bill of divorce was thrown here. You can’t say there is absolutely no reason to assume the woman’s status changed. Clearly there is reason to assume it changed; a bill of divorce was thrown here. You just have a doubt whether it fell closer to her or closer to him. What is this relevant to? I want to claim that we see with our own eyes that the policy of the Holy One, blessed be He, has changed over the generations. This has nothing to do with my theses; these are facts. For example, today there are no open miracles; once there were open miracles, right? Nobody denies that. Right? There are arguments about hidden miracles, but there are no open miracles today. The sea does not split today. There is no bush burning with fire and not consumed. Right? There are no open miracles today—everyone agrees on that. But once there were. So that means that something has nonetheless changed from then to now. Everyone has to admit that. Another thing, for example: prophecy. Once there were prophets; the Holy One, blessed be He, revealed Himself to them and they conveyed messages to us from the Holy One, blessed be He. Today there are no prophets; prophecy has ended. What does that mean? It means that at least in certain parameters, the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, is indeed getting weaker. He is withdrawing from the world in certain dimensions—for example, He no longer gives prophecy to human beings. For example, He no longer performs open miracles. Now if I come and claim, then maybe He also doesn’t perform hidden miracles? That is already a much less weak claim. You tell me: but the Torah says He is involved. Yes, but the Torah also describes open miracles. That too is described in the Torah. And as for open miracles, you also say they don’t happen today. So who told you that hidden miracles remain? That already shifts the burden of proof to you. Because if you see that in all the parameters we can observe, the Holy One, blessed be He, has certainly stopped intervening—and everyone agrees about that—they only claim that there are some parameters we do not observe, hidden miracles, where the Holy One, blessed be He, is still involved. But in the visible parameters, you too agree that He has already stopped being involved, right? So now the burden of proof shifts to you to claim that in the hidden parameters He has not withdrawn. After all, I don’t see anything. You say, right, but there are things you don’t see that are nevertheless there. Prove it. Who told you that? It’s exactly like the thrown bill of divorce, where I don’t know whether it fell closer to him or closer to her. After all, a change definitely occurred. The only question is along which axes the change took place, or in which contexts the change occurred. Now if I see from the scientific outlook that today the Holy One, blessed be He, is not involved, then I assume that if so, He is not involved. Why assume otherwise? You tell me the Torah says something else. True, but our own eyes see that what is written in the Torah no longer applies today in any case with regard to open miracles and prophecy. So why not assume the same with regard to hidden miracles, and remain with the ordinary scientific outlook? In my eyes this is a very strong argument. Again, it does not prove that the Holy One, blessed be He, is not involved in hidden miracles. It only shows that the claims based on what is written in the Torah are weak claims, since what is written in the Torah in any case no longer applies today as it did then. That is true regardless. So if that is so, why assume that with hidden miracles it does continue? So I say no. With hidden miracles too it does not continue. There is a consistent policy shift, and the Holy One, blessed be He, is gradually withdrawing from the world. And as I said before, this is not a punishment. On the contrary. It means that we are already grown children, and now the Holy One, blessed be He, expects us to manage matters and not that He should hold our hand and run everything in our place. That’s all. And therefore He is not involved here. And then this also resolves the—it also fits with the scientific outlook with which I look at the world today, and I also have a not-bad explanation for why this happened, and that explanation has very good indications in the parameters where one can observe, like prophecy and manifest miracles, open miracles, where it is clear to me that the policy changed. So everything seems to me to point in the direction I am describing, and therefore I really don’t see why the difficulty—people see such a great difficulty because I’m going against what is written in the Torah. Reality goes against what is written in the Torah. What is written in the Torah was once the case; today it doesn’t work that way. Everyone agrees on that, even those who disagree with me. It’s only over hidden miracles that they insist. It reminds me of—do you know Bertrand Russell’s thesis about the celestial teapot? Right? Bertrand Russell comes and says: if someone comes to me and tells me, look, around the planet Jupiter there is a small teapot orbiting, making circles around Jupiter. He says to him: how do you know? He says: I know. But why don’t I see it? Then he says: because it’s a small teapot, you can’t see it, it’s small. Now Bertrand Russell asks: what am I supposed to conclude from this situation? That it’s fifty-fifty? Either there is a teapot or there isn’t a teapot, I don’t know, and after all I can’t see it, so the fact that I didn’t see it is no proof, so it’s fifty-fifty. Bertrand Russell says: what nonsense. What kind of stupidity is that? Obviously it’s not fifty-fifty and nothing of the sort. I have no reason at all to assume there is a teapot there. The fact that I don’t see it only means that you are presenting me with a thesis that cannot be refuted. You tell me there is a little teapot there, and you arrange things so that no objection can arise with respect to it, because if I ask you why I don’t see it, you’ll say well, it’s small; you can’t see small teapots. Right? It’s like if I tell you there are seven hundred demons and eight hundred angels around you. So you ask why I don’t see them. Because you can’t see demons and angels, so that’s why you don’t see them. Would you accept what I’m saying? No. “A thousand may fall at your side and ten thousand at your right hand,” what the Talmud says. So you wouldn’t accept it. Why not? After all, it’s fifty-fifty—you can’t see. A thesis that cannot be refuted, a thesis against which no objections can be raised because it is immune to objections, is a suspicious thesis. And when someone says that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved—certainly someone who says He is involved at every step of the way, only we never see it—that is a celestial teapot. There is no reason in the world to assume that such a thing exists. Okay? Therefore I don’t even say it’s fifty-fifty. I have no reason to assume it exists, and therefore as far as I’m concerned there is no such teapot. Or: I have no reason to assume that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved. On the contrary, I have many indications that He is not involved, and therefore my assumption is that He is not involved. And anyone who claims that He was involved somewhere, or that there is divine involvement at all, the burden of proof rests on him. That is basically my claim. Okay, that basically concludes this part of the series, the part about the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in history and in the world as against human choice and as against the laws of nature. After this I want to deal with knowledge and choice, passive providence—until now I have spoken about active providence—and the question of evil. How is there evil in the world, and all kinds of things of that sort. Okay, that’s it for now. Anyone want to say something?
[Speaker E] If I can ask a question. Good evening. Yes, yes. Good evening, can you hear me? Yes. Yes, I didn’t quite catch the implication. You basically said something like this: since with open things we can’t claim that the Holy One, blessed be He, still intervenes, then in the same way, symmetrically—or in parallel, rather—we also can’t claim regarding hidden things that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, no, that’s not what I said.
[Speaker E] So could you repeat what—yes, I’ll repeat.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] What I said is that regarding hidden miracles, since there is no indication whatsoever that the Holy One, blessed be He, intervenes, and my scientific outlook is that things happen because of the laws of nature, therefore my initial assumption, my starting point, is that the Holy One, blessed be He, is not involved. Now when someone asks me, wait a second, but the Torah says that He is involved—my answer to that is that the Torah also contains open miracles, and with regard to open miracles you too agree that they don’t happen today. Again, I am not learning from open miracles to hidden miracles. Rather, I assume that He is not involved in hidden miracles simply because that’s what my logic and my common sense and my scientific outlook say. The only objection—from the fact that the Torah says that He is involved—there I tell you that I can show you there is a policy shift with respect to open miracles and with respect to prophecy, and therefore that is not an objection to what I am saying. It’s not a proof of what I am saying; it is a rejection of an objection that can be raised against what I am saying. Do you understand the claim?
[Speaker E] Yes, meaning, it does not directly imply anything about hidden miracles. It doesn’t derive from open miracles to hidden miracles. I understand. This really contradicts the position of Nachmanides, right? “From the hidden miracles we learn about the open miracles,” so when we read Nachmanides like that, these are things that seem not coherent—we don’t quite manage to understand it. “A person has no share in the Torah of Moses until we believe that all our affairs are miracles, and from the open miracles we learn…”
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Then he has no share in the Torah of Moses—Moses meaning Moses son of Nachman. I have a share in the Torah of Moses son of Amram, I hope.
[Speaker E] Could be. Fine, okay, I hear. Thank you, that’s very interesting.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] You’re welcome.
[Speaker F] Rabbi, I have a question, if I may? Yes, yes. Basically I want to ask: people challenge the Rabbi with all kinds of questions, also from the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), also from verses. My question is this: isn’t this basically what Maimonides says—that if he had thought the world was eternal, that the world had no beginning, then he would have arranged the verses accordingly, just as the Torah—so basically I’m saying this: the Rabbi sees, he has indications or his intuitions are more correct, that in fact there is no providence, and now every difficulty I raise against the Rabbi—say, “without justice one may perish,” and things like that—the Rabbi will simply line them up with his intuition. So basically, what are we doing here? It’s like we’re putting the horses before the—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] “One may perish without justice”—that’s evidence for me, not a difficulty against me.
[Speaker F] Why? If “one may perish without justice,” then specifically here the Talmud understands this as, as the Rabbi says, there is something exceptional here. Which implies that everyone else perishes with justice.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, exactly, that’s what we talked about. Okay.
[Speaker F] No, that’s not my question. My question is that the Rabbi is looking at reality, and after seeing reality he now forces himself into the verses. So every verse I bring the Rabbi, the Rabbi will arrange the verse with his theory; and basically I too can arrange the verses. You too, Rabbi, bring me this and I’ll arrange them with my own view, so there’s no real argument here, it’s all just a matter of intuitions.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, of course there is an argument. The argument is over whether the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved or not. The question is only what the arguments are. Obviously your conclusion depends on your starting point, no doubt. That’s always true. But that’s true for everyone. And someone who claims that the Holy One, blessed be He, is involved—he too decides to interpret the verses in the way he interprets them. But then he will have to force the scientific outlook. Right? What can you do? That’s exactly the weight of the starting point on the whole discussion.
[Speaker F] I understand. Now Rabbi, just a small question, something not so connected to the lecture but related to your books. I saw the movie Sherlock Holmes. My question is: when Sherlock Holmes comes to a murder scene and sees items there, and from the items he tries to reach the general conclusion of who the murderer is, is he doing a process of induction or a process of deduction? Meaning, was Sherlock Holmes a master of deduction or a master of induction? It confuses me a bit.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Obviously induction. Induction? Of course. If it were a mathematical proof, then a computer could do it too.
[Speaker F] So he goes from particulars to the general.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] It’s not even induction but abduction. What? Scientific research. It’s abduction. Scientific research. In scientific research, when you move from the cases to the general law, that’s a certain kind of induction, but philosophers call it abduction. Abduction means, say, that I—induction means that I saw a certain body fall to the earth, I saw another body fall to the earth, so I draw a conclusion. What conclusion? All bodies with mass fall to the earth. That’s induction. But if from those cases I infer that there is a law of gravitation that every two masses attract each other, then that’s not a generalization from particular cases to a class of cases that includes the particular ones; rather, it’s a generalization from a set of cases to a law that explains them. That’s called abduction.
[Speaker F] So it’s like back and forth? What is it? Back and forth?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] You do that afterward and then again, because when you test the law you go back to the cases. Yes.
[Speaker E] I understand, thank you. May I ask one more small question? It comes out—and I’m adding to what Arik said—it comes out that basically you only sharpened the argument, the arguments in both directions. It’s not that there is more weight to the argument that there is no intervention since creation because my natural terms don’t allow me to give an answer and response or proof to the fact that the Torah—the Torah already mentioned that there were open miracles and it continues. I don’t have more weight from this side or from that side. I’m facing the question as we began at the beginning of the lecture. I’m still facing—I don’t have more weight.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, no, no—wait. What do you mean there isn’t more weight? It depends on your starting point. In my opinion there is definitely more weight in favor of my thesis, because I have confidence in my scientific outlook and in my intuition when I look at the world. If you don’t have confidence in that, then fine, you’ll indeed reach other conclusions.
[Speaker E] In that sense I think this ought to be more a question of theology—how the Torah wants me to look at the world. Does it want me to look with glasses—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] How does the Torah want you to look at the world? I have no idea how it wants to.
[Speaker E] For that I need to learn how the Torah looks at the world.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Maybe—where can one study this material? You have to decide according to what your logic says, and therefore I say this question won’t add anything for you. The Torah is written; now decide how you interpret it. That’s the problem. This is what’s called the hermeneutic circle. In hermeneutics, the problem when you come to interpret a text—right?—is that when you interpret a text, what do you compare your interpretation to? After all, you have no independent source that will tell you what the text means. So how do you know that the conclusion you drew from the text is really correct? Because the text proves it? The text proves nothing—you interpreted the text, and all you have is the text. If you don’t have an independent source, another source, then you have no way to test your interpretation. Same thing here. I offer you one interpretation of the Torah; someone else offers another interpretation. I have no source outside the Torah to know what the Holy One, blessed be He, wants or what He does, right? So clearly I won’t be able to tell you in an independent way—to show you in an independent way—that I’m right. What can I do?
[Speaker E] It’s a kind of root of the soul, or the left side of Maimonides, born from the left side, as the Chida says.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I don’t like—I don’t like those mystical terms.
[Speaker E] No, I’m saying it as labels.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] So I’m saying they obscure more than they help. It’s simply a different intellectual starting point, a different intuition. But there is right and wrong here. What is this? There is right and wrong here. One side is right and the other side is wrong. It’s not a matter of—
[Speaker E] Like the Rashi there in Ketubot?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] “These and those are the words of the living God,” and all that? One is right and the other is wrong.
[Speaker E] Like Rashi writes there in Ketubot, for example, yes. Is that what you mean—that one side is wrong? You mean that? Yes. Ah. When will we know? When the Messiah comes?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] We are condemned to live under conditions of uncertainty. There is no way to reach certainty. A person has to make decisions according to the best of his understanding. You never have certainty.
[Speaker E] Why is it worthwhile—because it—does it have an educational purpose, so that if you really knew with certainty then you could no longer aspire to something better or you wouldn’t have motivation to advance?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I have no idea. I don’t know. The fact is that you can’t reach certainty—that’s a fact. I have no idea what the explanation for that fact is.
[Speaker E] Okay, excellent. Thank you.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Can someone else comment? Was there someone else here?
[Speaker D] I just had a question about the lecture. You explained very nicely the dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad, where you quite unequivocally took the position of the Raavad. And I’m still—it’s still hard for me to understand. Yaakov, if you could close the microphone, thank you. Basically what you said was that the move from the general to the particular is very clear, and I think that—you mentioned earlier the law of large numbers, and that is really the problem in this move. Meaning, when we move from the general to the particular, we have no ability to put our finger on one particular case and say this is the specific case that changed things. And that is really the problem, and therefore one can understand Maimonides’ view that each and every person has free choice, because you can’t take one detail out of the whole and say this one, this one, is the one who doesn’t have choice.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I don’t agree… I don’t agree with you that I pinned things on the dispute between Maimonides and the Raavad. In the end I claim there is no dispute.
[Speaker D] I understood from you that you agree with the view of the Raavad.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I agree with the view of the Raavad, and therefore I think Maimonides also doesn’t disagree with him. Ah. Maimonides says that the Holy One, blessed be He, can determine things in advance; he says that the determination of the Holy One, blessed be He, is statistical. It can also fail to occur.
[Speaker D] Oh, so that’s the point that bothered me a bit. What do you mean it can fail to occur? If the Holy One, blessed be He, decided, how can it fail to occur?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] If—if the Holy One, blessed be He, decided, then—then He can also bring it about with His own hands, but then of course there will be clear involvement. But if the Holy One, blessed be He, only sets the statistical weights, then here it can fail to occur. For example, when the Holy One, blessed be He, says, “And this people will rise up and go astray”—here the Holy One, blessed be He, did not determine that we would worship idols; He foretold that we would worship idols, but we can choose not to worship idols, and then the prophecy will not be correct. By contrast, if the Holy One, blessed be He, determines that the Egyptians will enslave Israel, then that He brings about; He does not merely predict that it will happen, He creates it. So in such a place the question is what He does. If He changes the weights, then that means He basically causes it so that statistically there will be Egyptians who enslave Israel. But that’s statistical; it could be that they decide not to enslave. If the Holy One, blessed be He—
[Speaker D] I understand. How is this distinction reached, between what the Holy One, blessed be He, brings about—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] One moment. If the Holy One, blessed be He, nevertheless insists and makes sure that they do enslave, then of course He can always intervene, take someone’s choice away, and cause him to do it. That is of course always possible. The mouth that forbade is the mouth that permitted. The One who gave us free choice can also take it away from us. There’s no dispute about that. The question is whether He does it, not whether He can do it.
[Speaker D] And who determines in which cases the Holy One, blessed be He, brings something about, and in which cases He is basically only predicting?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I have no idea. The Holy One, blessed be He, determines.
[Speaker D] Meaning everything is just interpretation; it’s not something we can really—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Correct, everything is interpretation of what happened then; it’s not relevant for today. I claim that today He does not—no, no—He does not determine anything, at most He only predicts. And even His prophecies He doesn’t tell us about what is happening today. Good, thanks. Okay, friends. So good night. Thank you very much. Good night.