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Q&A: Tzitzit and the Tekhelet Thread in Our Time

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Tzitzit and the Tekhelet Thread in Our Time

Question

Is one required nowadays to put in a tekhelet thread?

Answer

Not only nowadays. Every single day and in every generation one should put in a tekhelet thread. This is an obligatory positive commandment (and not merely an optional/contingent one, as some mistakenly infer from the Mishnah in Menachot, "the tekhelet does not prevent the white"). It is a Torah commandment. The question is whether the identification of the new tekhelet is correct. Here I am inclined to think that it is, and at the very least we certainly have not gotten beyond doubt. A Torah-level doubt is treated stringently (although some have raised doubts regarding positive commandments, and this is not the place to elaborate). In my opinion this is even stronger than an evenly balanced doubt.
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Questioner (another):
As a follow-up to this question, as I understand it, the tekhelet thread is part of the commandment of tzitzit. But it is well known that the commandment of tzitzit is only a contingent commandment. Meaning: do you mean that every day one is obligated to wrap oneself in tzitzit with a tekhelet thread? And if not, have you then neglected a positive commandment?
 
In addition, I wanted to ask: why should we observe the commandment of tzitzit at all nowadays?
 
And additionally, in your opinion is there a prohibition against wearing tzitzit without tekhelet (only white threads)?
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Rabbi:
The commandment of tzitzit is not merely contingent. True, some later authorities (Acharonim) phrase it that way, but they are mistaken or they are conflating concepts. A contingent commandment is one that can be fulfilled but not violated. But the commandment of tzitzit can also be violated: if you wear a four-cornered garment without tzitzit, you have neglected the positive commandment of tzitzit. Therefore, the commandment of tzitzit is a conditional obligatory positive commandment (dependent on certain circumstances), not a merely contingent one.
It is true that one can simply avoid wearing a four-cornered garment, and then not put on tzitzit, and thereby violate nothing. But by the same token one can avoid eating to satiety and thereby be exempt from Birkat HaMazon, Grace after Meals. Does that mean Birkat HaMazon is merely contingent? Of course not.
 
When I said that tekhelet is an obligatory positive commandment, I meant it in the same sense as the commandment of tzitzit. When I wear a four-cornered garment, there is an obligation to put on tzitzit with white threads and with tekhelet, and if I omit either one I have neglected a positive commandment. If I did not wear a four-cornered garment at all, then of course I have not neglected this commandment.
Indeed, the Talmud states that in a time of divine anger one is punished for not wearing such a garment in order to evade the obligation of tzitzit, but Tosafot already wrote that this does not apply in a place where people do not wear such garments at all (because then the non-wearing is not to evade the commandment, but simply because it is not the accepted kind of clothing).
 
I did not understand the question about observing the commandment of tzitzit nowadays. Why should we not observe it?
 
Indeed, there is a possible prohibition here of neglecting a positive commandment (because of the doubt whether this is the correct tekhelet). It may be preferable not to wear a tzitzit garment at all. If one goes with white only, one fulfills the commandment of the white threads, but it is doubtful whether one is neglecting tekhelet. The question is whether it is preferable to fulfill one commandment while under a doubt of neglecting another obligatory commandment, or whether it is better to do neither—neither fulfill nor violate. And perhaps this would be a commandment fulfilled through a transgression, in which case you have no commandment at all.

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Questioner:
Regarding tzitzit nowadays, I meant that nowadays in any case people do not normally go around wearing four-cornered garments, so why should we make the effort to wear four-cornered garments with tzitzit? After all, there are many conditional obligatory commandments in the Torah that we do not make an effort to fulfill (for example, the redemption of a firstborn donkey). And besides, we already wrap ourselves in a tallit gadol during the Shacharit prayer, so we are in any case fulfilling the commandment of tzitzit daily—so why is there any need to continue fulfilling it during all the other hours of the day?
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Rabbi:
Actually, there is no need. It is merely a custom. Of course, one who does it gains a positive commandment, but one who does not do it has violated nothing. As I explained, even the argument of "in a time of divine anger" does not hold water in this context.
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Questioner (another):
You wrote that there is no halakhic position that exempts one from tekhelet, but it says explicitly that the white does not prevent the tekhelet and the tekhelet does not prevent the white—how much more so when there is doubt whether this is really the tekhelet.
Ofek
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Rabbi:
This is a common mistake. The fact that the tekhelet does not prevent the white does not mean that tekhelet is voluntary. Tefillin of the arm also do not prevent tefillin of the head (in that same Mishnah in Menachot). Does that mean tefillin of the head are not obligatory either? When two things do not prevent one another, that means that if you did not do one of them, you still fulfilled your obligation regarding the other. But the first one can still be an entirely obligatory requirement in its own right. Therefore
if you put on tzitzit of white only, you neglected the positive commandment of tekhelet, but that did not prevent the white, which you did fulfill. And if there is doubt whether this is the tekhelet, then the ordinary laws of doubt apply.
See details in my article
here.
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Questioner:
But that is exactly the point. Since tekhelet does not prevent the white, and there is doubt about the correctness of this tekhelet, there is no obligation here, and that is precisely why this halakhah exists. After all, you cannot obligate a person in a commandment he cannot fulfill, and according to the laws of doubt he is not obligated at all, because once there is doubt about a commandment there is no obligation to fulfill it. The parable/example from tefillin distorts the issue, because we have no doubt about what tefillin are or whether the head exempts the arm, etc. The correct example/paradigm is whether there is an obligation to put on Rabbeinu Tam tefillin. And the Vilna Gaon's answer is valid here too. All the more so when there is more than one view about tekhelet, and unlike tefillin it is impossible to fulfill all the possibilities.
Ofek
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Rabbi:
Hello Ofek.
I explained the matter, and I will repeat it again.
First we have to examine the situation where there is definite tekhelet. In such a case, the fact that tekhelet does not prevent the white certainly does not mean that tekhelet is voluntary. Agreed? That is why I brought the "distorted" example from tefillin. I would be happy if you would explain to poor simple-minded people like me what exactly is distorted here (other than the interpretation you gave to my words).
So when there is doubtful tekhelet, one should fulfill it out of doubt, like any other commandment. There is not the slightest connection to the question of whether it prevents the white. This is a regular case of doubt regarding a positive commandment. Whatever you would say about a doubtful positive commandment (and I mentioned that the later authorities dispute this, though in the view of the overwhelming majority one should be stringent even with a doubtful positive commandment), you should say here as well.
The existence of several views about tekhelet is also irrelevant. The ties and wrappings, even if they are not correct, do not prevent fulfillment according to almost any view. So what has that to do with our case?
The example of Rabbeinu Tam tefillin is unrelated here, because by the same token you could also ask about Rashi tefillin. So what then? Clearly, the accepted custom does not treat this as a doubt; rather there is a ruling in accordance with Rashi, and the only question is whether to be stringent like Rabbeinu Tam. That is not a question in the ordinary laws of doubt.

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Questioner:
Thank you for the additional explanation, but you did not bring anything new that I had not already understood from the earlier remarks. First, as is known, a Torah-level doubt is treated stringently. There is doubt that this is the tekhelet, and once a person wears tzitzit with doubtful tekhelet, he enters a situation where the doubtful fulfillment nullifies the definite fulfillment—or in other words, wearing tekhelet that is not actually tekhelet causes a definite nullification of the commandment of tzitzit. Therefore in such a case, and others like it, one should not fulfill the doubtful element at the expense of the definite one, and as stated, since there is no proof that this is tekhelet, one should not put it on, and the reason is obvious. As for what you wrote regarding tefillin, that "the accepted custom does not treat this as a doubt; rather there is a ruling in accordance with Rashi, and the only question is whether to be stringent like Rabbeinu Tam…"—that is completely incorrect. There are many halakhic decisors, from the Arizal to Rabbi Ovadia of blessed memory, who determine that this is not a doubt but an obligation. So as you wrote, this is not an ordinary doubt, but not in the way you meant—and again, it is not a valid metaphor.
Ofek
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Rabbi:
I did not understand your point. Even if the tekhelet is not genuine, it has not nullified the commandment of tzitzit. And regarding tefillin, I disagree. But as I noted in response to you, I could just as well have asked about Rashi tefillin too.
Be that as it may, this entire discussion has not the slightest connection to the question of one element preventing the other, and that is what I was talking about.

Discussion on Answer

Moshe (2017-03-12)

Where did we get the tekhelet that we are in doubt about?
How can tekhelet be revalidated halakhically?

Michi (2017-03-12)

See the articles written about the new tekhelet. You can find them online.

Moshe (2017-03-12)

I know it comes from a snail and so on, but in terms of received tradition, how was the information transmitted? In other words—how much can one rely on this… that this is the tekhelet as the Creator intended.

B. If the sages were to halakhically "validate" a "tekhelet" in a similar style but less complicated and more available—is that possible?

Michi (2017-03-12)

The information was not transmitted by tradition regarding this specific snail. There is an identification of a snail based on several indications. This is not a question of "relying" but of seeing the arguments in favor of the identification. In my opinion they are quite convincing, and certainly there is at least a Torah-level doubt here.

Moshe (2017-03-13)

Rabbi, surely you can see for yourself how many problems are created because of breaks in tradition—how did the Creator not think in advance to erase all these problems? This is the ABC of the commandments, and nothing—for two thousand years people have not known what tekhelet is, and for two thousand years, or a bit less, there has been no real tradition from anywhere about tekhelet—why does God do this to us if all the commandments depend on tzitzit, whose role is to remind us of every commandment in its proper time. I am ashamed and humiliated.

Rabbi, if the Sages could uproot a Torah law through the majority of sages because "it is not in heaven," what is the problem with doing that again (establishing a new Jewish law regarding the material of the tekhelet dye), and then we get out of a Torah-level doubt—what is the problem? Especially if it is not a law given to Moses at Sinai.

Michi (2017-03-13)

The Holy One, blessed be He, did not do this to us. It happened for various reasons that have nothing to do with Him. What happens in the world happens because of the laws of nature and people's choices. If He causes what happens in the world, then the least difficult question is why He hid tekhelet.

The Sages do not cancel Torah commandments, and this certainly has nothing to do with "it is not in heaven." The Sages only interpret the Torah, and regarding that it says "it is not in heaven" (meaning that what determines the law is the interpretation of the sages, not a heavenly voice). "It is not in heaven" does not mean that the Torah does not determine things.

Moshe (2017-03-14)

I understood that they do, Rabbi; there is even a rule that Jewish law uproots the plain meaning of Scripture. If that is not about a Torah commandment, then why did they say it? And since when do they use the term "halakhah" for a (mere) interpretation of the Torah that is not a commandment?
By the way, Rabbi, until that day the oven really was impure—the heavenly voice admitted it—and they changed the Torah's command and replaced Torah law, and there is no difference between Torah law (because it is a command) and something of Torah origin, so their authority also stems from that: the majority determines the law, and that is fully valid and proper; there is no coercion.
Are you with me, Rabbi? After all, you saw how they broke everything Rabbi Eliezer had declared pure, and let that be a sign to you that the law of the majority determines even retroactively! Yes—to that extent. So there is no problem for the sages today to validate a different tekhelet without any issue—so why prevent this commandment (through its renewed restoration), if so?

Michi (2017-03-14)

Moshe, we are repeating ourselves. You need to look at the sources before we start grinding water.

The Sages cannot replace any law written in the Torah, except in one of three ways: 1. A law given to Moses at Sinai (which also comes from Sinai). 2. Interpretation/derivation. 3. A rabbinic enactment/decree (and even that has several limitations).
The Oven of Akhnai does not appear in the Torah, if you hadn't noticed. There was a dispute among the Tannaim regarding its law, and in an interpretive dispute the Sages have absolute authority ("it is not in heaven"). But that is not authority to replace a verse in the Torah just because they feel like it. Where did you come up with that?
And beyond all that, with tekhelet there is no reason to change anything. I really do not understand why you are so fixated on it.

Moshe (2017-03-14)

I am coming with good intentions. You said above that the Sages have authority to interpret, namely: "(what determines the law is the interpretation of the sages, not a heavenly voice). 'It is not in heaven' does not mean that the Torah does not determine things," and I did not say to change the Torah, only to define a new (temporary) interpretation of the ancient tekhelet in order to make the commandment easier and so that many people would put a tekhelet thread in their tzitzit lawfully and according to Jewish law. Fixated?! Because it pains me when I see people with white tzitzit without the tekhelet thread, and I read here that it should not be this way. They are neglecting a positive commandment because of the lack of "tekhelet."
If you see that I am grinding water, then don't answer me. I will understand, God willing. Or not understand, also God willing. In any case, thank you.

Michi (2017-03-14)

There is no such thing as a new and temporary interpretation. If that is the interpretation that seems correct to them, they will say so. And if not—then not.

Moshe (2017-03-14)

Okay, thank you very much.

Alice (2017-05-24)

I would be glad to understand how there can be a trapping prohibition on the Sabbath with the murex trunculus snail. It barely moves. Is separating worms from food on the Sabbath prohibited because of "trapping"? Certainly not. Because they are not creatures that require trapping.

Meir (2017-05-25)

Alice, the prohibition of trapping is because the snail is found in the depths of the sea, hidden from view, and one has to prepare bait for it and catch it; it is not visible and not available for hand-gathering.
And see Maimonides, Laws of Resting on a Jewish Holiday 2:7, and the Raavad there.

Michi (2017-05-25)

Meir, thank you. Who has gone before me, that I should repay him?!

Alice (2017-05-25)

With respect, you did not answer what the difference is between this and worms, which are also hidden from sight.
And in my humble opinion it is not at all similar to fish, because when fish are hidden from sight they also slip from the hand—that is, they tend to multiply/move about.

Michi (2017-05-25)

It still is not remotely comparable. The snail is on the seabed, hidden and elusive, and therefore catching it counts as trapping. That is not the case with worms, which are easily accessible to us. Simple enough.

Alice (2017-05-25)

"Elusive" it is not.
"Hidden"—yes, but that still does not make a living creature one that requires trapping.

According to your view, and you concede that if the snail were visible without effort there would be no trapping in catching it, what would you say if two people dove into the sea, one exerted himself and saw the snail and showed it to his friend, and his friend caught it—who of them violated the prohibition of trapping? Perhaps it is altogether like a case where two people did it jointly? Surely these things are quite foreign.

Michi (2017-05-25)

Are you familiar with this snail and the way it appears in the sea? I do not have information about how elusive it is, but I assume that such a sea creature is elusive.
In any case, you remain within the category of "one can raise a strained difficulty." And as is known, if one can give a strained resolution, maybe things work out; but to raise a strained objection is just pilpul for its own sake. And if the strained arguments you are making here seem less foreign to you than the straightforward reasoning written here, then apparently our logic is built differently.

Alice (2017-05-25)

Your logic is very sound.

But with all due respect, you cannot obligate anyone based on someone else's logic.
In my humble opinion, all the answers that were given to the trapping question are insufficient.
What I mean is that they remain in the category of "reasoning" without proof.
And therefore they obligate no one, except perhaps the one offering the reasoning.

May you be blessed for everything. More power to you. Alice.

Moshe (2017-05-25)

Hey dear Alice,
I don't understand generally why something that remains only in the category of reasoning without proof would obligate the person who came up with that reasoning. Where did you invent that from?!

Michi (2017-05-25)

I see we need to recall the course of the discussion. There are very good reasons for identifying tekhelet with this snail. You raised an objection from the laws of trapping, and they answered you. If you do not accept the answer, then you remain with your difficulty. If you do accept it—excellent. Who exactly, in your opinion, was trying here to obligate whom, and why, and by what logic? What are we talking about?

Moshe (2017-05-25)

If so, why do not all the tzitzit garments being sold contain a tekhelet thread?

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