Q&A: Prayer for a Miracle
Prayer for a Miracle
Question
I understand that your problem with the topic of prayer, and its implications for God's involvement in the world, stems first and foremost from a certain assumption: the Sages forbid praying about something that has already happened, because that is a "vain prayer." You tend to understand the term "vain" not as a halakhic prohibition, but as a factual assessment—meaning, such a prayer simply will not help. In other words, there is no normative prohibition here in the laws of prayer, but rather a statement that the Holy One, blessed be He, does not intervene in such cases.
Here I already want to comment on that assumption: after all, you yourself wrote that there is no doubt that the Holy One, blessed be He, can intervene in nature, since He created the laws of nature and can also freeze them or depart from them. In addition, you do not deny His miraculous intervention in the past, and you also do not deny sporadic intervention in the present.
So why not say this: technically, the Holy One, blessed be He, certainly can intervene, but in the matter of prayer there is a boundary that was set. That boundary is either halakhic-normative within the laws of prayer, or indeed it is possible to interpret the word "vain" more in your direction, as a factual statement—that the prayer simply will not help. But the intent would be: it will not help because the Sages understood theologically that the Holy One, blessed be He, perhaps will not want to intervene, or does not want people to turn to Him to intervene in nature in such a case. But surely one should not interpret "vain" as though the Holy One, blessed be He, generally cannot intervene, for we have already assumed that whoever created the laws of nature is also capable of changing them.
Once that assumption is accepted, the rest of the problems are no longer substantial. The Sages do indeed forbid praying for a miracle, and you are right that the deterministic reality of the laws of nature makes every intervention in nature, by definition, a miracle. At the same time, since the Holy One, blessed be He, has the ability to perform miracles and intervene in deterministic reality, the main issue is to define when He will do so and when He will not, and that is exactly what the Sages did: they set halakhic boundaries or stated theological insights as to when prayer can have an effect, because He may intervene and save. Regarding the matter of 40 days for the birth of a child—this is a boundary where, according to the Sages, there is room to pray, and after that there is not.
To explain the difference between before 40 days and after that, one can use the concept you brought in the laws of the Sabbath regarding a "pseudo-ontic doubt."
It was said in your lessons on the laws of the Sabbath that, seemingly, with a bench just as with a box of flies one can statistically calculate the probabilities of making a furrow, so why distinguish between them in terms of ontic doubt versus epistemic doubt? Rather, it must be said that with respect to a furrow, for an ordinary person, because of the complicated statistical calculations, it appears as though there is doubt, and therefore halakhically it is considered a "doubt in reality," and in your terminology, a "pseudo-ontic doubt."
Similarly, we can say here that before 40 days from the fertilization of the fetus (and in our scientific knowledge: the moment of fertilization), this is a situation that in reality supposedly cannot be seen except through complex statistical calculations—and therefore it is a "pseudo-ontic doubt" that allows prayer.
That is to say, the issue of when one may pray is a halakhic category that was set according to the human being (the Holy One, blessed be He, can in any case change nature), and this category was set according to his ability to discern, from his perspective, situations of a "gap" and doubt. And since from the perspective of a human being, who lacks the ability to do statistical calculations, there are still "several possibilities" here—he is permitted to pray. Even though essentially it is a miracle (which the Holy One, blessed be He, can perform).
After 40 days, the situation is perceived as certain, and therefore it is forbidden to pray.
Indeed, as you wrote, the difference between before 40 days and after is not a matter of a hidden miracle versus an open miracle, because the Sages did not have ultrasound, and even after 40 days, relative to sensory possibility—in their time—the matter was still considered "hidden."
But the category is not based on sensory observation; rather, it deals with what we "see" at the level of the intellectual knowledge available to us, regarding the moment when it shifts from a state of ontic doubt to a state of pseudo-ontic doubt.
In the time of the Sages, with the limits of their knowledge: 40 days for the fetus was the time when we moved from a state of pseudo-ontic doubt, because it was "clear" to us—according to the scientific knowledge that there are several possibilities—to a state of ontic doubt, where even in our eyes as human beings, reality had already been determined.
And in our time, the same idea applies, only in relation to the moment of fertilization.
A point that perhaps still needs to be resolved is why the Sages defined this as prayer for a "miracle," unlike before 40 days, when essentially that too is a miracle.
That is already a semantic question,
and perhaps, as was written, the concept of "miracle" with regard to prayer does not refer to the Holy One, blessed be He, and His abilities, because He can do anything, but rather to us—to define for us when, from our perspective as human beings, it is perceived as a change in nature. And that is in a reality of ontic doubt, after 40 days—and one may not pray. And before 40 days—one may.
Conclusion: every prayer is essentially a prayer for a miracle. The Holy One, blessed be He, can perform miracles. And He indeed does perform them. The Sages taught us that He performs them, or wants us to turn to Him to perform them in practice, only when in our case—as limited human beings—the situation appears as though it involves ambiguity (even though it does not, because everything is deterministic). That is, the Holy One, blessed be He, does intervene in the world; there is reason to turn to Him to change deterministic reality, albeit with certain qualifications.
Answer
Forgive me, this is much too long, and once I saw an incorrect assumption at the beginning I did not continue reading. I am not basing myself on the Sages. In my opinion there is no indication of God's involvement in the world. The passage in Berakhot is a side issue.
Discussion on Answer
As stated, the fact that He can intervene is obvious. We are talking about the halakhic prohibition against asking Him to intervene. You are mixing them up again.
As for your actual claim, you are basically repeating what I said and saying that indeed everything is fixed, but proposing that in a pseudo-ontic doubt, even though in practice it really is fixed, it is still permitted to ask that the Holy One, blessed be He, intervene. In other words, you are proposing that if people think (mistakenly) that this is an open situation, then there is no prohibition against asking.
A few comments, the last of which is the essential one among them:
A. I pointed out that even if it is already fixed, there is nothing preventing one from asking the Holy One, blessed be He, to now do surgery to change the sex in the womb, or to revive my family members from the fire and kill others in their place. Here there is no problem at all, not even pseudo-anything.
B. In our current situation, where early pregnancy is no longer a pseudo-ontic doubt, the Jewish law changes. Maybe it is permitted to ask the Holy One, blessed be He, that when I drag a bench over ground that is not very loose, no furrow will be made. And after all that, whether it is permitted or forbidden to ask, I very much doubt you will be answered.
C. The point is that your starting position is that the passage must be reconciled with reality, even if only with difficulty. But that is because you apparently assume that the Sages were aware of this, and therefore it cannot be that their words contradict reality. But that assumption is not reasonable. The Sages thought about science what people thought in their time, and people back then thought there were situations that were genuinely open (and not only pseudo-open). Therefore there is no reason to interpret the Sages as you do; rather, it is clear that in their view it is permitted to pray about a situation that is genuinely open. The innovation of extending the permission to pseudo-open situations was probably not their original intention. So why adopt it? Just so that an incorrect Jewish law can remain in force?! Therefore, in my view, this proposal is not logical.
I connect with what you wrote in C.
That's definitely the point that felt open to me.
All right, I won't force you to read it 🙂
The point wasn't specifically to argue against your position on involvement,
but mainly to respond to your "chabura" on analyzing the passage in Berakhot.
A few of your arguments there suddenly sounded to me like they could be resolved in light of other ideas you brought up elsewhere.
This is a summary of what I wrote:
1. What is the prohibition in a "vain prayer" about the past?
It seems the intention is not that the Holy One, blessed be He, cannot change what already happened.
Even according to your position, the One who created the rules can change them.
Rather, apparently because Jewish law determined: if the thing has already happened (for example, the sex of the fetus after 40 days) — there is no point in asking for it.
That is a norm in the laws of prayer.
Or even a factual-theological statement of the Sages about the Holy One, blessed be He: He will not want to intervene.
2. Explanation: "pseudo-ontic doubt"
What remains to be explained is why they set such a boundary of 40 days? (which they saw, from their perspective, as the moment when sex is determined).
So first of all, נכון! Since the world is deterministic, even before 40 days (or fertilization in our day) technically this is a miracle.
But we said that God can perform miracles. And if He intervenes in the world, then it is a miracle.
The distinction of the Sages relates to the human being:
Before 40 days/fertilization — from the human perspective it still looks like a "pseudo-ontic doubt" (because it is hard to do statistical calculations) — therefore one may pray.
After 40 days — reality has already been determined from his perspective, and therefore this is a vain prayer.
4. In our time
Today too it is the same idea, except that the boundary depends on our knowledge (today: from the moment of fertilization).
That is: the test is what appears to us as human beings to be "open" or "closed," not what the Holy One, blessed be He, can or cannot do. Because He can always act. Even miracles.
5. Conclusion
Every prayer is basically a request for a miracle.
The Sages teach us that the Holy One, blessed be He, is willing for us to ask this of Him only in situations of "ambiguity" from our perspective, not when it is already clear to us that reality has been determined.