Q&A: Chabad’s Approach to Science – Your Opinion
Chabad’s Approach to Science – Your Opinion
Question
I would be happy to hear the Rabbi’s opinion on this article - http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/17447 Have a good week!
Answer
Hello,
I’ll write briefly, off the cuff. First, the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s approach is well known (like that of most Hasidim): that the contraction is not to be understood literally. He opens the article with this, and that itself is of course complete nonsense. Simply foolishness.
A few comments on what he says about science (in his order):
- What he derives from the various fields can be learned even without all that. The lessons seem fairly simple to me.
- The claim that science describes the “what” and faith answers the “why” is a common claim (although I think the Rebbe really is one of its early sources), and it is also fairly correct (though one has to be precise about the difference between “what” and “why,” because there are some kinds of “why” that science does deal with). But as long as this is not demonstrated, it remains a slogan. In my books I showed this in detail in several areas.
- Popper is far too minimalist an approach to science; nowadays no one takes it seriously (that is, the idea that falsification is the only thing possible in science). Thomas Kuhn usually talks nonsense, and he is not a philosopher but a sociologist.
- The truths of faith do not come from the soul any more than scientific generalizations come from it. Some of them come from the tradition we received from Sinai (without the human interpretations later added to it), and the other part—all the later additions to it (which is almost everything we have)—is open to error just like all human thought, and certainly more so than science. Science at least tests itself empirically, whereas the axioms of faith do not subject themselves to empirical testing. That is, they do not even meet Popper’s minimal condition. Therefore, when there is a contradiction between a scientific finding and a fact we received by tradition, my personal inclination is in favor of science.
- Lice on the Sabbath is an excellent example of what I wrote in the previous section. The Sages decided this on their own judgment (apparently in light of the scientific knowledge of their time), and therefore there is no reason in the world to assume they were right and look for excuses for why observation did not show otherwise. If it had been a tradition from Sinai, I would consider thinking that science does not know the whole truth on this issue (which of course may be true). But why assume the Sages knew more? From their souls? I have no confidence in that as an instrument for recognizing scientific reality.
- What he says about cud-chewing animals does not really stand the test of the facts. It takes rather convoluted apologetics to explain what the Torah says on this matter (and here this is really the Torah itself, not an interpretation by later people, so here I would indeed consider such convoluted interpretations).
- I will not elaborate here on my attitude toward Hasidism.
Discussion on Answer
How can one even read seriously an answer that includes the sentence, “Thomas Kuhn usually talks nonsense”? How can one respect a writer who does not respect another writer?
Who said you have to respect him? One has to examine the arguments themselves (and not the speaker), and even if I am talking nonsense in your opinion—then by all means, write that. You are very welcome to do so.
I should add a qualification/correction. Thomas Kuhn also says sensible things; I did not mean to say that he usually talks nonsense, but rather that his main doctrine is nonsense. Even the sensible things he says are stated within a conceptual framework according to which intuition is a sociological matter and has no substantive justification. In his view, as in the view of the positivists and empiricists, anything that cannot be given positive empirical grounding is a sociological convention. Therefore, in his opinion, a scientific paradigm shift is a matter that is essentially sociological (and not merely one in which sociological dimensions are involved, which is certainly true).
Indeed, the wording was not precise. But this is not a question of manners and etiquette; it is a question of truth and falsehood.
Can you elaborate on “what he says about cud-chewing animals does not really stand the test of the facts”? Please?
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If you come along after several years and ask something, it would be appropriate to quote the relevant passage and my words, and only then ask. It is not reasonable to send me back to reread the entire thread and the article it revolves around in order to answer you on one specific point.
I assume you mean this passage:
A good example of this, in addition to what was brought above, is the passage in the Torah that states that there is only one species of animal that has split hooves but does not chew its cud, while there are only three species of animals that have one of these traits or the other, and all other animals either have both traits or have neither of them. Even though this statement in the Torah was made about three thousand five hundred years ago, and even though since that time many new continents have been discovered with all kinds of animals, not a single additional species of animal has ever been discovered that would disprove this statement of the Torah. A similar situation exists with regard to the Mishnah in tractate Niddah, chapter 6, mishnah 9. Similar to this is the rule regarding fish in the sea, and many other rulings of the Sages regarding nature.
That is not correct; it is not true that no species have been discovered that deviate from this. There are quite a few claims that such species have indeed been discovered, and various explanations have been offered about this. See a collection here, for example:
https://www.hidabroot.org/question/157485
Thank you very much!