Q&A: Clinical Death, Psychedelics, and the Soul
Clinical Death, Psychedelics, and the Soul
Question
Hello. I’m writing this after having thrown up my hands again and again over time. For years I’ve read so many accounts of people who went through different kinds of clinical death and psychedelic journeys, and the stories just never end. They never end. There are reports that are very hard to read, to put it mildly, and it took me some time to recover from them. But it just never ends; just as their faces differ, so their trips differ. The unavoidable conclusion this has brought me to for now is that everything is simply happening in the brain, and our consciousness is just far beyond what we think. My question is: how does all this fit with the idea that the soul exists? If there really is duality, what is true? And where is the soul likely to go after death?
Answer
I didn’t understand your question. Say whatever you want about those descriptions. What does that have to do with the soul? The soul can go to countless places or forms, with or without any connection to those descriptions.
If you’ve already asked this in the past and didn’t get an answer and therefore gave up, what made you think that now you would get an answer?
Discussion on Answer
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I wasn’t the one who asked about solipsism.
‘The soul can go to countless places or forms with or without any connection to those descriptions’ — where did you get that idea from, from the bizarre theory of infinite universes?
I didn’t ask this before; I gave up on everything I had read. I really suggest you read about this for a while and understand from the inside what I mean. Maybe I can shorten the path for you if you start with the book Proof of Heaven by Dr. Eben Alexander, who writes that God is black and a blonde curly-haired girl received him in the next world, and there were dogs there, and our universe is a grain of dust, and the truest law of physics is love.
As it happens, I read that book. That’s really not what it says.
But there is no discussion here, so as far as I’m concerned, we’re done.
What I meant was that a lot of people who take psychedelic substances, from what little I’ve read in the papers, take it as an experience that reflects objective reality. And the same goes for clinical death and near-death experiences.
So if psychedelic substances really do reflect the world correctly, then that seemingly leads to a pretty solipsistic view, that our consciousness creates reality and has no independent source, because these are perceptions that don’t fit with our understanding of the world. For example, that when you look at someone you see that he’s the whole planet Earth or all kinds of other bizarre things like that, from what I understand was seen in pictures from the sixties.
That is absolutely what it says. And there actually is a discussion here: I asked, you answered, and then I responded to what you answered. According to your answer, the explanation is probably something like this: there are lots of universes and a World to Come and God, and everyone comes from somewhere else.
I, like all human beings, go through about 5 psychedelic journeys every night. I don’t remember most of them.
If that proves anything, it proves that there is no life after death.
How?
While a person is dreaming he does have consciousness, but when a person isn’t dreaming, there is nothing. Meaning, the person doesn’t really exist—only when the brain produces him.
God is all kinds of colors: light, black, pink, and even the color of nothingness. And as the number of people and religions, so is the number of gods; and even within our own religion it never ends: the God of the Hebrew Bible is not like the God of the Sages, and the God of the Sages is not like the God of Maimonides, and the God of Maimonides is not like the God of the Ari, and so on.
Hello A., regarding the survival of the soul, in my humble opinion the research of Ian Stevenson provides more convincing information; the fruit of his work is reincarnation of souls… (based on xenoglossy). The implication, of course, is the survival of the soul.
To the best of my judgment (full disclosure—I haven’t read all the critiques), the critiques I have read attack in an ad hominem style and with extreme begging of the question. (For after all, there is no survival of the soul, so obviously the “scientist” who published this went crazy and stepped beyond the bounds of science. [Certain claims did touch more on the substance of the matter—for example, that most of the subjects were from primitive countries where belief in reincarnation exists. But that isn’t correct; he also did major research {an entire book was published just on Europe} on developed and educated countries, where belief in reincarnation is not widespread]).
And less on the substance itself. Ian Stevenson’s research is actually quite well grounded, and it’s a shame there is no serious engagement from the scientific consensus with the fruit of his work (and the later developments of it), to see whether there is something to it or not.
Have we already mentioned that materialism just happens to sit at the heart of the consensus? (the religion of scientism)
In any case, I’m not sure I was convinced by his research, and even if I was, the concept of reincarnation does not overlap with rationalist Judaism. That is, the rabbis of the Middle Ages (Rabbi Saadia Gaon, Raavad, Rabbeinu Avraham [son of Maimonides], Rashba, etc. etc.). And this requires much further study, and this isn’t the place to elaborate on it. (And of course, for someone who accepts the kabbalistic tradition, this poses no difficulty at all, since reincarnation exists according to them.)
But regarding your specific question (independently of our religion) about the survival of the soul, I think Stevenson’s research is more to the point than all these clinical-death cases.
Best regards,
Daniel.
Hey brother. I’ve heard of Brian Weiss. I hadn’t heard of him. Thanks.
Doesn’t this make solipsism more difficult?