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Their Ordinary Wine, Continued

Question

Hello Rabbi,
Following up on the question and your article that appears there.
 
I’m having trouble understanding how the law of ordinary wine handled by non-observant people is applied today in Israel with respect to Sabbath desecrators. I mean Israeli-produced wines where the winemaker is Jewish but not observant according to the Rabbinate’s definition. (It would also be interesting to see where they draw the line—starting from what point is someone observant enough, in their view, to be allowed to touch wine?)
It’s hard to see them as apostates and put them into the category of libation wine.a0
On the other hand, if we go by the rule of ordinary wine because of intermarriage, is it really possible to extend that rule of “because of their daughters” to a Sabbath desecrator nowadays (whose status, as noted, is more like that of a child taken captive among non-Jews)? That seems a bit far-reaching, because it points to a contemporary halakhic policy of separation between groups within the Jewish people and preventing marriages between members of different groups. (That is, if one compares the law regarding a child taken captive among non-Jews to the law regarding gentiles, with whom marriage is forbidden.)a0
What do you think?

Answer

The prohibition imposed on Sabbath desecrators and apostates is not like the prohibition on gentiles because of intermarriage. The purpose of the prohibition is to make an educational statement that a Sabbath desecrator or apostate is like a gentile. The halakhic marker for this is that he is given the legal status of a gentile.

Discussion on Answer

Avranam (2021-06-07)

That’s exactly the question.
So if they have the legal status of gentiles, is it forbidden to marry them too? Regardless of their wine?

Michi (2021-06-07)

Marriage to them was not forbidden. A marriage might even bring them back to the right path.

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