“The rift and the breakdown are already here”? They’ve been here forever!!
All in all, only 80 years… the Saison, Wadi Salib, Emil and Yona, Gush Katif. So now the left-wing and extreme liberal coalition feels that they’re the persecuted group. Now that really is something new. Honestly, good for you on your struggle; I refused orders in Gush Katif (true, I was a tiny minority), I was massively bummed out by the nonsense of “we will win with love”; nobody counts you when you’re “loving,” “statist,” and weak. On the one hand I hope you fail miserably; on the other hand, I can’t stand the fact that only a little over 50% of Haredi men work in normal jobs, a bunch of parasites.

But! You know very well that everyone is guilty of this, and even if your dream government were in power, like the previous government, then maybe the Haredim would sit in the opposition, but the left and the liberals wouldn’t care one bit about integrating them into society. By the way, I really don’t understand why you’re so enthusiastic about Arab society. How are they different from the Haredim?

The comparison to Arabs is very stupid, so let’s set things straight once and for all:
A. Arabs do not receive billions of shekels that hurt productivity and encourage idleness. I don’t recall Arabs receiving billions for Quran studies at age 35 and funding for schools without core curriculum.
B. The Haredim are far more extortionist (also in welfare-state services), and their contribution to GDP is much smaller than that of Arabs (and a lot of what they pay is of course from money and stipends they received from the state in the first place).
C. The Arab woman has around 3 children; the Haredi woman, 7. Therefore the Haredim are a demographic parasite that threatens our economic future (and not only that) much more.
D. Arabs do not impose their values on the general public (while exploitatively financing lots and lots of hangers-on from the state budget in order to fund the corrupt enterprise of the Chief Rabbinate).
E. It is much more reasonable to demand service from the Haredim and not from the Arabs:
The Haredim are partners in the national camp, right? So if so, isn’t it more reasonable to demand that they be national? Beyond that, the Haredim have been in power almost all these recent years, which is not the case for Arabs. The government gives them even more power, authority, money, and positions while at the same time they give nothing. Needless to say, it’s more complicated to draft Arabs for obvious reasons (but I support national service there).
F. There are no Knesset members more corrupt than the Haredi ones. Deri, Goldknopf, etc. leave everyone else in the dust.
Happy to help.

I already wrote what I think about the Haredim, and I added that the secular-leftist-liberal people are equally guilty (after all, Bennett and Lapid invited them to join the party). That’s the problem! Nobody, but nobody, is willing to put them in their place.

Between us, if Bibi has a heart attack and finishes his role in this world, the protest will die down in an instant. And then I’m not at all sure that even the Arabs will be in any coalition.
But cool that you defended the Arabs; I wonder how much Arabic you speak, verbally and mentally. I charge 80 for a half-hour Zoom session.

Bennett and Lapid absolutely did not let religious coercion run wild, absolutely did not give them money for schools without a core curriculum… all these things are completely baseless (they never got crazy budgets like they’re getting now)… all of these are nonsense claims..
“I defended the Arabs”—I simply made a comparison between them and the Haredi parasites, that’s all. I described reality as it is.

The Arabs’ contribution to GDP is not greater than that of the Haredim. They work off the books, and as a rule there is no tax collection among them at all (no official would dare enter their neighborhoods and villages). And anyway, nobody is forcing you to give citizenship to Haredim and Arabs. I, for example, am against such citizenship. That’s just leftist idol worship of government.

There is data. You can go on imagining that the Haredi parasites contribute more to GDP, but of course that isn’t supported by any data from any serious body at all (economists, Bank of Israel reports, etc.—all of them show the exact opposite picture: Arabs contribute more to GDP).

How can anyone even compare Arabs to Haredim? Everyone here acts like they run the world, but the Arabs are the enemy and a fifth column waiting for the day of command. Sometimes it’s beyond me how people can be so stupid.

Of course there is data; I saw graphs on the subject. On Nadav Shnerb’s site there are graphs about each decile from each sector—how much it contributes less, how much it takes. That’s where I got what I said from. Besides, regardless of the Haredim, for whom I have no special love (though you presumably have much more loathing than I do), I no longer have much trust in any of those “serious” bodies. About the same level of trust I have in the former senior people from the IDF. People like them make a lot of noise and wear suits, but a lot of their publications are consciousness engineering. Economics in the end, like lawyering, is not a serious profession (like physics or engineering, for example).