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Insulting and Driving Out a Minister

Question

I saw that ministers in the government were driven out again and again in disgrace and public humiliation.
The public is angry about their disgraceful conduct,
and about the fact that they didn’t deal with the threats and prepare for them, which is their primary obligation,
and instead dealt with other things.
I also think they are unworthy.
 
My question: is it permissible to drive them out in disgrace and public humiliation, since what they represent truly deserves condemnation, and after all they chose to present themselves as the executors of that disgrace, so they take the hit—and there is no concern here of publicly shaming another person?
 
 
 
 
 
 

Answer

Publicly shaming another person? These pieces of filth have honestly earned that treatment, and they completely deserve it. It’s the bare minimum that should be done to this gang of corrupt/racist/liar types. These are not people who act as members of your people, and there is no halakhic obligation toward them. Where there is desecration of God’s name, one does not show honor even to a rabbi, so certainly not to filth like this.

Discussion on Answer

Yair (2023-11-05)

Forgive me, Rabbi,
many think the members of the government aren’t responsible because they didn’t know. Why vilify them before an investigative commission has been convened?

Michi (2023-11-05)

Obviously they didn’t know. People aren’t insulting them because they knew and did nothing, but because they do nothing regardless of what they know. They’re being insulted for their conduct in general, for their blatant corruption, for busying themselves with petty self-serving nonsense while neglecting their real responsibilities. For opening fake, corrupt ministries whose whole purpose is just to waste money and funnel it to various dark corners, while the ministry’s supposed function goes unfulfilled.
Think about the minister who opened a Ministry of Public Diplomacy, and when a need for public diplomacy actually arises, she resigns and the budget is transferred to rehabilitating the Gaza border region. So from the outset, what exactly was she supposed to be doing? Think about the Intelligence Minister, whom no one even thinks of blaming for the terrible failure, even though her whole job was intelligence. No one even imagines that she was supposed to deal with that. It’s obvious to everyone that her ministry is fictitious.
Think about the Ministry for National Resilience, which does nothing. From the beginning people wondered what this ministry was even for, but now a situation has come up in which this is exactly what’s needed. But of course it does nothing. This whole government is not functioning even after this disaster happened, and that is a graver charge than the disaster itself. The private sector and civil society are filling the place of these nonentities and pieces of filth, who fill the void with hollow, empty ads about how they’re at our service.
For all this, you don’t need any investigative commission. The writing was on the wall from the moment this horrific, corrupt, incapable government was formed. Anyone who is part of it is part of the greatest desecration of God’s name in history, and certainly is not considered someone who acts as one of your people, and there is no interpersonal obligation toward him.

Michi (2023-11-05)

They’re not even doing the bare minimum of coordinating and channeling all the volunteering and all the money, and that’s why it isn’t being run efficiently and huge numbers of people and resources are being wasted on duplication and for nothing.
Their outrageous appointments are being exposed in all their nakedness. They appointed people with zero qualifications just because of connections, and got rid of everyone who did have qualifications. And now we’re eating the fruits of their corruption.

! (2023-11-05)

Forgive me,
“Anyone who is part of it is part of the greatest desecration of God’s name in history, and certainly is not considered someone who acts as one of your people, and there is no interpersonal obligation toward him.”
Isn’t that an exaggeration? Everyone who voted for them in the election, or plans to vote for them, is not considered one of your people?!

Yitzhak (2023-11-05)

More power to you, our rabbi! Practice what you preach—and it befits you to preach!
With God’s help, the Jewish people will be strengthened if we throw out this gang of corrupt people.

Michi (2023-11-05)

No. Some of their voters are just foolish or brainwashed, or didn’t understand who they were dealing with. For example, they didn’t know that the role of the Ministry of Intelligence, according to its spokesperson, is this (see here: https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-politics/2023_q4/Article-c4dff9c93b26b81026.htm):
One of the ministry’s central areas of activity is producing civilian national intelligence that will serve as a basis for the government’s strategic planning, under specifically defined missions such as horizon scanning, global disruptions including supply chains, using dedicated big-data and artificial-intelligence tools.
Can they be blamed? Who could have imagined that in advance? Only Goldknopf and Bibi.

Shmulik (2023-11-06)

A difficulty—
After all, we found that in the 35th government, some of the best members of Blue and White were pampered with ministries like the “Diaspora Ministry,” “Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office,” “the Ministry of Strategic Affairs,” and “the Ministry for Social Equality.”
And we did not find criticism from you, even though the members of Blue and White certainly could have made do with less.

And we also find that in the last election you voted for Benny Gantz and his Blue and White party.
How do the claims about corruption fit with what you did?

Yitzhak (2023-11-06)

Shmulik,

In the Netanyahu-Gantz government there were 71 Knesset members and 35 ministers; today there are 64 Knesset members and 38 ministers.
In the Bennett-Lapid government there were 61 Knesset members and 26–28 ministers.
With Bibi, as usual, the wildness in this area is wild too.

Avi (2023-11-06)

Shmulik, the difficulty comes from whataboutism. The claim about excess in the number of ministers was true of the Netanyahu-Gantz government, and it’s also true of the current government, which I voted for. It doesn’t bother me that much, because these are standard political frogs to swallow, but substantively it’s clear that the government is ridiculously large.

Michi (2023-11-06)

Shmulik, nice that you ended with “a difficulty” and not “a conclusive refutation.” And the words of Rashbam on this are well known.
A little reading comprehension. I didn’t write that the reason is that the government is large, because such things have happened before. There has always been some waste of money; they didn’t invent that now. I wrote that the government is unnecessary and non-functioning.
There is a difference between splitting ministries and roles among different ministers—which may be wasteful, and sometimes might even make sense—and creating ministries that are empty of content. Ministries like public diplomacy, national resilience, and national missions, where it is obvious to everyone that they took on no responsibilities, only money; and from the moment this happened and an extreme situation was created in which they actually were very much needed, they were exposed in their disgrace and did nothing (but also didn’t resign, except for one fool). By the way, for that they should go to criminal jail. This is not political graft but theft in broad daylight. A ministry that is defined for certain tasks and engages in nothing is a criminal offense, not mere waste.
Systematically unfit appointments—not one isolated case or another—while removing everyone who is fit, and canceling every decision of the previous government without any distinction just because they had decided it. And needless to say, this too is now being revealed in all its ugliness, when this enormous government does not function at a time when the state so badly needs it to function.
Therefore comparisons of the number of ministers are beside the point. Not whataboutism and not nonsense.
It seems to me that the failure of appointing and assembling this government is much greater than the failure of October 7. This entire government should be put in prison so they never see the light of day again.

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