Q&A: On the Cosmological Argument
On the Cosmological Argument
Question
Hello Rabbi,
After watching your discussion with Aviv Franco, an interesting point occurred to me that perhaps could explain Aviv’s position in a more orderly way.
Following the problem of infinite regress in the claim that everything has a cause, you said that only things within our experience require a cause, and therefore the singularity point, which is within our experience, has a cause; and if that cause is not within our experience, then we have solved the problem. Aviv, by contrast, argued that maybe we simply do not know what the cause is. You answered him, rightly, that if one person gives an answer and another does not give an answer but merely says, “maybe we don’t know,” then it is more reasonable to listen to the one who actually offers an explanation.
Now, one can look at things differently. In my opinion, your words contain a prior assumption—namely, that the singularity point is something within our experience. I think there are pretty good reasons to think it is not: it is infinitely dense, which means that its time passes at an “infinite” rate; that is, one cannot speak about it in terms of “before” and “after.” Beyond that, we are unable to find for it a cause that is within our experience. And more generally, we cannot really say that it is something within our experience, since we were not there when it existed. From all this it follows that perhaps it is not within our experience at all. Therefore, if it is not within our experience, then Aviv’s claim stands—we do not know what the cause of the singularity point is, because it itself is already beyond our experience.
So now we seem to have two possibilities before us: either the singularity point is something we are capable of understanding, that is, something within our experience, or it is not. If it is within our experience, then to explain it we need an additional entity—God. If it is not within our experience, then we do not need God. It follows that according to Occam’s razor, God can be “cut” out of the equation.
Or, in other words, Aviv indeed says, “I don’t know” how a singularity point can exist. But even in the position of the other side, which wants to offer an explanation, there is still an “I don’t know” regarding how this entity called God exists. So in truth, neither side explains the matter; both are escaping to the borders of “this is already something we do not know, something beyond our experience.” Aviv is humble enough to say that he does not know the singularity point, whereas the believing side presumes to claim that it does know it, and therefore needs an additional entity called “God.”
Truth be told, the same way one could also refute the cosmoteleological argument. But it seems nicer to me to refute it by means of the theory of parallel universes. But that’s for another time:)
Happy and amusing Festival of the Giving of the Torah to all the Jewish people!
Answer
I already answered all of this in the past (parallel universes and the singularity point). The point is a certain state of matter and not an entity of a different kind, and matter is something that requires a cause (that is with regard to the cosmological argument). Beyond that, the laws of nature that govern the development since the Big Bang were not created by the point but accompany its development into our world. And laws require a lawgiver (that is the physico-theological argument).
Discussion on Answer
Everything has already been answered. It seems to me that you are just being stubborn, so I do not see any point in continuing.
Okay.
Still, you wrote that you already wrote about this in the past. Could you point me to the places where you addressed this point so that I can look into them and understand the matter better?
Thanks in advance!
It appears in The First Existent, talks 2–3. And in a more preliminary form in Notebooks 2–3.
Again: I agree that according to your statement, matter requires a cause—but all that is only if it is something within our experience. I can’t understand why one should add another entity, which is not within our experience, and say that it is the cause of primordial matter, instead of simply saying what Aviv Franco said: “I don’t understand what happened there.” After all, that is exactly what it means—that in fact the singularity point is not within our experience. Your rejection there was that what he says is “I don’t know,” whereas you give an answer, and therefore people should listen to you. Truthfully, that is not correct. You too say “I don’t know” about God, since He is not within our experience. What you needed to show is why it is utterly impossible to say “I don’t know” about the singularity point—not to tell Aviv that “I don’t know” is not an answer. Since I can definitely see a situation in which I simply do not understand what happened there, I see no reason to add another entity and then say about it too that I don’t know what happened with it.
If you are brave enough to claim that you understand what happened there, and therefore you must posit another entity that you do not understand—more power to you. I simply look at the first point of matter and say to myself: “Wait, this does not fit with the principle of causality,” and I just leave it there, in complete ignorance, since this point—by virtue of being something for which I cannot see a cause within our experience—becomes in my eyes something that is not within our experience, something about which I am humble enough to say, “I do not know.” Or in the language of our master Rabbi Kook of blessed memory: “The essence of knowledge is that we do not know.”