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Conversion in the Rabbinate

שו"תConversion in the Rabbinate
שאל לפני 10 שנים

Hello Rabbi Michael,
I wanted to ask you a question about conversion.
I have a friend in the army whose father is Jewish and whose mother is a Gentile. He recently joined the Nativ course (a course that prepares Gentile soldiers for conversion) and from there he continued to the advanced stages of the course and successfully completed them. He made an appointment at the Rabbinate's court for conversion this coming April.

I heard in recorded lessons from a certain rabbi that there is concern about the rabbinate's courts for conversion matters, that because they remove converts who do not intend to observe Torah and mitzvot, they are presumed to be a court invalid for conversion, so that even if a gentile comes before them intending to convert for the sake of God, and they convert him, the conversion is invalid (and all this without the court and the gentile being aware that the conversion is invalid).

My question is, is this indeed the case in terms of halakhah? And if so, is it better to send the friend who wants to convert to the Haredi Eda Beit Din?

Also, I assume that there have been a lot of invalid conversions in recent years, that no one is aware of the fact that they are invalid. Are the descendants of people whose conversions are invalid also considered gentiles? Or can it be argued that they are considered Jews by majority annulment (just as the descendants of an assimilated Jew are considered gentiles by majority annulment).

And another question, should a person be concerned about the invalid conversion of one of his mothers? After all, it is not improbable that one of the mothers 100 generations ago was a convert who may have had an invalid conversion.

Best regards,


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מיכי צוות ענה לפני 10 שנים
Let me start by saying that I share the opinion that the conversions that are made in the conversion system are problematic. I wrote a rather controversial article about this in Akademo. On the other hand, and despite all this, the claim that everyone should be disqualified en masse and sweepingly, as well as the claim that the dayanim are evil, is complete nonsense. The judges in the conversion system are all presumed to be kosher, and even if I don't agree with them, that's their opinion and I disagree with it. If you want to invalidate a conversion, you have to prove that the specific convert in question had no intention of receiving commandments when he converted (which is almost impossible, of course). When a kosher person sits in court and converts, it is not possible to invalidate the conversion in a blanket manner and without a specific examination. Anyone who says otherwise is himself completely evil (according to Chazal and the poskim. He is making an unjustified accusation against thousands of kosher Jews). Therefore, any conversion that is made by such a person, in my opinion, is not a conversion. In fact, there is no obstacle to converting through the conversion system, and as long as the young man intends to take the commandments seriously, he will be a strictly kosher Jew. Incidentally, in a personal sense, he does not lose anything either, since he will not accept an ultra-Orthodox match anyway (if he even wants to), so the risk of losing matches because he converted through the state conversion system is also meaningless. I will not elaborate here on how ultra-Orthodox courts operate. There is no need to fear conversions by anyone who is considered Jewish, and "a family that assimilates is assimilated." By the way, the chance that there was such a mother is not enough. In order for you to become a gentile because of her, you need the lineage from her to you to be solely maternal (daughter after daughter). The chance of this is zero (and it must be multiplied by the chance of an invalid conversion). Remove your worries from your heart. If it is hard to be a Jew, it is no less difficult to be a gentile. 🙂 All the best, Michi

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