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Another Look at Philosophy and Disagreement (Column 248)

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With God's help

Over the holiday I read an article by Eliezer Weinreb, "Omissions",[1] which deals with the philosophical question whether an omission (= failure to act) can be considered an act. This has several implications, mainly in the field of law (whether an omission is grounds for conviction in criminal law). Not long ago I read an excellent analytical book by Roni Rosenberg, devoted entirely to this subject, Between Act and Omission in Criminal Law. In chapter 2, section 2 (p. 66 onward), he discusses the philosophical question whether an omission can be considered the cause of something. It turns out that philosophers are divided over a similar issue, and I wanted to touch on it here.

An article with a signature but no cat

Mark Twain once received a letter containing a single word: "Idiot!" He did not lose his composure, and replied to the writer with a letter of his own: "I have received letters in the past without a signature, but this is the first time I have received a letter containing only a signature." I was reminded of this story when, a few days ago, I was sent the following article, by Tyron Goldschmidt of the University of Rochester. No, you are not mistaken: there is only a title there: "A DEMONSTRATION OF THE CAUSAL POWER OF ABSENCES." Beyond the title there is nothing there. For your information, this "article" was published in the philosophical journal Dialectica(vol. 70, issue 1, 2016, p. 85). And while we are already on anecdotes, on second thought this "article" reminds me even more of a favorite line Lewis Carroll placed in the mouth of his Alice (which serves as the epigraph to chapter 4 of my book Emet Ve-lo Yatziv): "I've often seen a cat without a grin," thought Alice, "but a grin without a cat! It's the most curious thing I ever saw in my life!".

At first I did not really understand the point, and I sent the sender my questions. He explained to me that this "article" teaches us something significant about the aforementioned debate. The claim was that the article addresses the philosophical dispute whether an absence can be the cause of something. Thus, for example, people say that my failure to water the potted plants caused them to wither. How can something that does not exist, or did not occur, cause anything? An absence is nothing, and as such it seemingly cannot cause or bring about anything. This "article" tries to demonstrate concretely that such a phenomenon can in fact exist. There you have it: the fact that nothing is written beneath the title causes you to be surprised when you see the article (think how surprised you would be if you encountered a grin without a cat). If so, absence too can cause something (your surprise). QED.

Between an experience of absence and the absence of experience

In addition, as I was told, this article offers a resolution to another philosophical/psychological question: is an experience of absence an "absence of experiencing existence" or an "experience of nonexistence"? For example, when I am sad that I do not have a million shekels in the bank, is that because I experience the absence of a million shekels in my account, or because I do not experience the existence of a million shekels there?

It is quite clear that in this case I have an experience of absence, not that there is (!) in me an absence of experience, for ordinarily I am not sad about the absence of a million in my account. That sadness arises only in circumstances in which the absence is made vivid to me (when I need the money, or when I see someone else whose account contains such a sum), that is, when I have an experience of absence, and it is not enough merely that I lack an experience of its existence. One must understand that an experience of absence is not itself an absence but something positive. I do have some experience (the absence), and it is this that produces the feeling of sadness. This is not a phenomenon caused by sheer nothing. True, one can ask how this very experience of absence arose in me. Was it not the absence of the million shekels that produced it? If that is the case, then the experience itself is the product of an absence, and once again we arrive at the conclusion that an absence can cause something (an experience, in this case).

The relation to the principle of causality

With all due respect to all the philosophers, it seems to me very difficult to argue against the claim that nothingness cannot cause anything. A cause or reason has to be something. Nothingness is not something, and therefore it cannot be the cause of anything (see the responses to Goldschmidt's article, such as that of David Oderberg, or that of Justin Weinberg)[2].

All this, of course, is if one adopts the conventional meaning of the causal relation, namely that A is the cause of B if and only if it brings B about. David Hume and others following him offer a different interpretation of the causal relation: according to them, a causal relation is nothing more than a mode of expression meaning that event B always and necessarily comes after event A (without positing a relation of production between them). According to them, for example, nine o'clock is the cause of ten o'clock (because it always comes before it, and ten always comes after it). This is nonsense,[3] and I will not address it here. I am, of course, assuming in this discussion and generally that the causal relation contains three components: the temporal – A always comes before B. The logical – if A then B (A is a sufficient condition for B). The physical – because of A, therefore B (A causes B).[4]

I will now clarify my claim that nothingness cannot be a cause of anything. The principle of causality says that everything must have a cause, and clearly that cause is not nothingness, for nothingness is nothing. If nothingness is the cause of something, that means that the thing in question has no cause, and this contradicts the principle of causality. But I intend here to make a stronger claim: even if someone disputes the principle of causality for some reason (such as atheists who reject the physico-theological proof and claim that the world came into being from nothing by sheer accident and without reason), he must still agree that nothingness cannot be a cause. At most he will say that not everything, and not always, must have a cause, but even on his view, if something has a cause, that cause must be something and not nothingness. This is an a priori logical claim, not a philosophical or scientific one.

The conclusion is that even if we accept the possibility of creation "something from nothing," what is meant is that previously there was nothingness and afterward there was something. But clearly this does not mean that nothingness is the cause of the something. Nothingness is the cause of nothing.

Implication for Quantum Theory

Several times in the past, when I presented the physico-theological proof (which, as noted, is based on the principle of causality), readers raised against me the claim that quantum theory allows particles to come into being out of the vacuum, that is, something from nothing. Seemingly, this is scientific evidence against the principle of causality, which is one of the premises of that proof. Of course, they do not mean to claim that the vacuum created the particles, but that the particles were created after a state of vacuum, in the sense of "something from nothing," as I explained above.

I argued there in response that, precisely because of the principle of causality, I do not accept this description. A world that is truly empty is also devoid of laws and of any structure whatsoever. In such a state, nothing can come into being within it. In our world, particles can arise from the vacuum only because that vacuum has structure. Our universe has a quantum character (that is, it is governed by the laws of quantum theory). Therefore even a state of vacuum is not a nothingness devoid of structure and form. It is a special vacuum with quantum properties that allow particles to arise without any other prior matter. But if so, it is not true that there is no cause here. There is a cause, and it is the quantum character of this vacuum. Therefore even if we were to assume (as those atheists do) that the entire world arose spontaneously from a vacuum, this would not contradict the physico-theological argument. Someone would have had to bring about the quantum character of this universe (to legislate the laws of quantum theory), and in that way he would be responsible for its coming into being.

This argument assumes two things: the emergence of pairs from the vacuum is based on a combination of the two principles we encountered: everything must have a cause, and nothingness cannot be a cause. In short, something from nothing is impossible.

Does nothingness exist?

In Kabbalah they refer to the sefirah of Keter (or to the Infinite Light) as "nothing," but this is "nothing" only in our terminology (that is, it is not matter and not anything of the kind we know). Clearly this sefirah too is something, however abstract it may be. The sefirah of Wisdom emerges from it (is emanated from it), and clearly it does not emerge from literal nothingness, for nothing can come out of nothingness. Some thinkers formulate this by saying that the nothing is, and is not not – that is, the "nothing" being spoken of here is something (and not sheer nothing).

This terminology is, of course, a paraphrase of Parmenides, who dealt with this question and argued that being is and nonbeing is not. From this he derived the following claim in favor of the eternity of matter:[5]

That is, all that can be known about nonbeing is that it is not. Beyond that we cannot know anything about it. All that remains for us is to speak about being. And what is known to us about being? That it is?
Parmenides replies and says: Being was never created, for if it had ever come into being, the possibilities would be that it came from being or that it came from nonbeing. But it cannot come from nonbeing, because nonbeing is not. Yet if being came from being, that means that being was there already, before it came into being.

But in light of our discussion here, it seems that he is mistaken. Being indeed was not created from nothingness (that is, nothingness is neither its cause nor its raw material), but it can be created by another agent (a non-material one: God) after a state of nothingness.[6]

Between nothingness and absence

If we return to our "article" about the causal potential of absence, it seems to me that the root of the author's problem is that he does not distinguish between nothingness and absence. Nothingness is a vacuum, sheer nothing. By contrast, absence is always the absence of something. What is going on in this "article" is not nothingness but absence: it is the absence of written content as we know it from ordinary articles we have read. Nothingness cannot produce anything at all, but absence certainly can. In the case of absence, what acts upon us is not the nothingness now standing before us, but the absence of something that ought to have been here. The combination of that something together with the nothingness is the cause that produces the phenomenon under discussion (our surprise).

In the example of the above "article," the absence can act on us causally (create in us a feeling of absence that causes surprise) because in the background of that absence stand the articles we knew in the past that did have written content. They take part in causing our surprise. What causes the surprise is the contrast between an ordinary article (which causes us to expect written content) and this "article," which has no written content, and that creates some experience that affects us. In the formulation we encountered above, there is here an experience of nonexistence (the absence of written content), not a non-experience of existence (which is just nothingness). A non-experience is a nothing that cannot cause anything. By contrast, an experience of nonexistence is an experience in every respect (and its content is the contrast I described), and therefore it can also cause things (such as a feeling of surprise), and of course it too is caused by something that precedes it.

Causation by omission

Similarly, it is not true that failure to water a plant causes it to wither. What causes this is its drying out, except that watering could have prevented it. The fact that I did not water it is an omission, following which (but not because of which) the plant withered. This is the meaning of causation by omission in all contexts, legal and otherwise. An omission causes nothing; at most, it fails to prevent a result (fails to save from it). What causes the result is always some other factor, and the omission lies in the fact that we did not neutralize that other factor but allowed it to act. So it is in the case of the plant, and so too regarding a person who did not save his friend from drowning in the river. He did not cause the drowning. What caused it was the river and the drowning person's swimming capacity. True, had I taken steps to save him, I might perhaps have prevented it. In brief, we say that the omission caused the drowning, and that failure to water caused the plant to wither, but this is only a habitual turn of phrase.

In our language we can indeed say that I did not get up because (!) the alarm clock did not ring, or that I was late because (!) the bus did not arrive, or that I experience a lack of love because (!) I did not find a partner, and so forth. But in all these cases the omission caused nothing. At most one can say that had I not failed by omission, I might have prevented the result that was caused by some other factor.

Causation by omission in law

In the legal context, one can see such causation in the issue of "Its beginning was in negligence and its end in an unavoidable accident" ("it begins in negligence and ends in unavoidable accident"). I described this in the writings mentioned above, and here I will only summarize briefly. If a custodian receives money to guard, and he places it in a hut in the woods (a hut of willow branches, Bava Metzia 42a), such a place is considered susceptible to fire but protected against thieves (no thief would look for money in a hut in the woods). Therefore such an act is considered negligence with respect to fire, meaning that the custodian was forbidden to do this (even though the place is protected against theft). What is the law if, in the end, a fire broke out? In such a situation the custodian is considered negligent. Placing the money in the hut is the cause of its being burned, and since his actions caused the result, he is responsible for it (this is not an omission but an act). What would the law be if the money deteriorated on its own (it was old)? In that case, according to almost all views, the custodian is exempt, even though placing the money in the hut was itself negligence, because this would have happened even without his act (with the exception of Rif's view in Abaye's opinion there, 36a-b). In such a case there is no connection between the negligence and the unavoidable accident, and therefore the custodian did not cause the result, neither by act nor by omission.[7] The Talmud there discusses a third case: what is the law if, surprisingly, thieves nonetheless came to the hut and the money was stolen? This is a case called "Its beginning was in negligence and its end in an unavoidable accident", because the custodian was negligent in the very act of placing the money in the hut (lest it burn), but in the end an unavoidable accident occurred (it was stolen). In such a situation the Amoraim disagreed, and as a matter of Jewish law most halakhic decisors ruled that the custodian is liable.

On the legal plane, one cannot say that placing the money there caused it to be stolen, since the place is considered protected against theft (and a custodian is exempt in a case of unavoidable accident). On the other hand, it is clear that had he not been negligent with respect to fire (that is, had he not placed the money there), the money would not have been stolen. In other words, there is passive causation here. This is essentially an omission. He ought to have kept the money with himself and not placed it there, and therefore although his actions are not considered the cause that brought about the theft (for he is blamed only for an omission), his omission is considered (passive) causation, and it obligates him to pay. In such a case, what caused the theft is the thieves, or rather their decision to look for money in so unexpected a place. But if the custodian had not been negligent and had not placed the money there, it would have been saved from the theft. As we saw in the previous section, the omission is failure to save, and that is enough to impose liability.

According to the accepted definition among jurists, an omission for which a person can be blamed is when that person failed to perform an action that the law requires him to perform. In such a case, although the person was in fact passive and did not perform an act (but rather suffered from an omission), and although liability in damages exists only where a person's actions caused the result, while an omission, as stated, causes nothing (rather, there is some external factor that brought about the result), nevertheless in such a case he is regarded as responsible for the result. Thus, in the case of "Its beginning was in negligence and its end in an unavoidable accident", the custodian who failed to act is regarded as a causal agent bearing responsibility for the result. This is also the reason for the linguistic practice I described above, whereby in certain cases we describe the omission as an event that causes the result (failure to water causes withering, failure to save causes drowning, and the like).

A note on art and argumentation

Works of art sometimes contain some message or insight (though there is no necessity for that; some even regard it as a defect in the work – it is too didactic), and sometimes a philosophical claim as well. What distinguishes such art from an article in philosophy is not the message (for both contain one), but the form in which it is conveyed. The article conveys the message verbally, describes it in words (preferably as clearly as possible), and it is evaluated and judged by the quality of its argumentation. A work of art, by contrast, is not judged through the quality of its message, nor even through the truth of the claims it conveys. It may convey mistaken claims, and there is no artistic defect in that. What matters in a work of art, even when it has a message, is not the message itself but the manner and form of its transmission. If the artist found an original and incisive way to convey the message or the claim, then his work has artistic value.[8] Therefore an ordinary article in philosophy is not a work of art.

In light of this distinction, it seems to me that Goldschmidt's "article" is a kind of work of art, but not an article in philosophy. Therefore its place is in a museum, not in a philosophical journal. As far as the artistry is concerned, it is irrelevant that its message (or claim) is mistaken. What matters is the original mode of presentation he found in order to present it. The main thing in this "article" is the manner in which the message is conveyed, not the message itself, and therefore it is really a work of art and not an article. Suppose Goldschmidt had described his claim in words and said something like this to the reader: assume that instead of words there appeared here a blank page under such-and-such a title. Clearly, surprise would arise in you, and this proves that absence can bring about results (mental ones, in this case). In that case we would be dealing with a legitimate article in philosophy (though a mistaken one, in this case, and so I still would not have accepted it). But in Goldschmidt's case this was cleverness, which is at most a refreshing way to convey the argument, not an argument proper; therefore this is a work of art and not an article in philosophy.

It seems to me that as an editor I would not accept it for publication for both reasons: first, it is incorrect, and second, even if it were correct (and even if it is not), its place is in an art museum and not in a philosophical journal. Well, that is, of course, a somewhat "square" position. I assume that if the argument were correct, there certainly would be room to be generous and depart from the rules, and to accept the article even for a philosophical journal. Here I only wanted to sharpen the difference.

I want to conclude the column with two remarks connected to topics we have already discussed: one regarding disagreement between peers, and the second regarding the nature of philosophy in general.

A. Peer disagreement

I would like to use the dispute described here (regarding the possibility of absence causing something) as an example of the attitude I ought to take toward someone who holds a position opposed to mine (the subject discussed in column 244). After that, I will raise the question whether I ought to reconsider my own position on the assumption that the author is a philosopher as skilled as I am (the subject discussed in column 247).

Let me begin by saying that Goldschmidt's argument, and that of his associates, can be interpreted in two ways: 1. They intend to prove that nothingness can cause something. 2. They intend to prove that absence can cause something. The first possibility is a clear mistake (nothingness cannot produce anything), whereas the second possibility is trivial. It is unlikely that there is any dispute about it (as we saw, it is clear that absence can cause things). I should note that according to the principle of charity, and this is also indicated by the terminology appearing in the title (absence), it seems that Goldschmidt intends to prove the claim about absence rather than about nothingness.

The first interpretation illustrates a case in which my interlocutor (Goldschmidt) is making a logical mistake. His argument does not prove the conclusion he is aiming at, and in addition his conclusion is plainly false. As I noted in the previous column, in such a case there is no reason to unsettle my position because of the dilemma of peer disagreement. If Goldschmidt were to hear my counterarguments, he would presumably retract; and if he would not retract, I should assume that he is "locked in" or that he is not really a peer (that is, he does not possess reasonable philosophical competence).[9]

The second interpretation illustrates another phenomenon. Goldschmidt's argument proves a trivial claim about which there is no dispute. In fact, here too there is an implication for the dilemma of peer disagreement. Sometimes the dispute is only apparent, and in fact both sides are making agreed-upon claims, and in many cases those claims complement one another. Sometimes the disputants are dealing with different concepts, or they use the same term in different senses. For example, in the dispute discussed here about the causal potential of an empty state, there seem to be two polar positions opposed to one another. But a closer examination shows that the two sides are not arguing at all, and the full picture is the combination of the two claims: nothingness cannot produce anything, and absence certainly can produce things. The dispute is waged with full force, when in fact they are making claims about different concepts (nothingness and absence).

Another look at disputes in philosophy

In column 223 I dealt with the question of disagreement in philosophical issues. My claim was that, contrary to the prevalent impression, there are not many genuine disagreements in philosophy. When you examine such disagreements, in most cases you will discover one of two things: either there is no dispute and each side is speaking about something else (about a different aspect of the issue), as we saw here in possibility 2. Or you will discover that one of the sides is mistaken (they are not really peers), as in possibility 1. In another variation, you will discover that one of the sides is speaking nonsense (see the discussion of the French in that column). Be that as it may, the cases in which the dispute is genuine are few. This may perhaps happen in issues regarding which no decision really can be reached, and then it is usually a barren dispute between two unfounded positions (see the example of solipsism brought there). Here again we discover, as I also concluded in the previous column, that the dilemma of peer disagreement is not as troubling as it sounds at first glance.

In light of this, one can understand a phenomenon that at first glance seems puzzling, but in light of my remarks here is easily explained. Let me preface this by saying that in recent months I have returned to reading articles in philosophy, and almost all the articles I read are very disappointing: either they are trivial or they are mistaken. Very few of their arguments prompt me to rethink matters. Seemingly this contradicts my principled position regarding philosophy. In columns 155160 I discussed the definition of philosophy, and claimed that it is a kind of empirical science (synthetic observation of ideas). This was an optimistic view of it, since it showed that philosophy can indeed teach us new things and that there is reason to engage in it. And, of course, there is truth and falsehood in philosophical claims (not only consistency and inconsistency). In light of this, in column 223 I went on to claim that philosophy can teach us things (it is not a barren word-mill, as people tend to think), but I explained that precisely for this reason the disagreements within it are mostly only apparent. The innovations in philosophy are mostly agreed upon, and they are not all that numerous. All this seemingly stands in tension with the sense of disappointment I described at the beginning of my remarks. Is there any point in engaging in philosophy or not?

To understand this, one must note that most of the material published today in philosophy deals with polemics and does not introduce new subjects. Therefore, by its very nature, its value is rather slight, since as we have seen few of these polemics can be significant. In most cases, these are either word games, or ill-defined claims, or trivial arguments, or mistaken arguments, or discussions of different concepts (that is, there is no disagreement at all, but rather different aspects of the issue). As a lover of philosophy, I am disappointed by this state of affairs time and again, but in a certain sense it is actually a consequence of my optimistic conception of philosophy. It seems to me that, in an ironic reversal, this state of affairs actually confirms that philosophy is a quasi-empirical field that makes claims and produces genuine innovations.

Returning to the rule "Both these and those are the words of the living God"

In the previous column I presented Beit Hillel's approach as described in the passage of "Both these and those are the words of the living God" ("These and those are the words of the living God") in Eruvin. Beit Hillel considered Beit Shammai's position before formulating their own, and as I showed, this is exactly the basis for the proper approach to peer disagreement. I will now continue with the passage of Both these and those and use it to illustrate my general claim about philosophy.

In my article on the rule "Both these and those are the words of the living God", I explained (see the chapter "Both these and those: the general model") that in a dispute between a Torah scholar and an ignoramus, the assumption is that the Torah scholar is right and the ignoramus is wrong. They are not peers. By contrast, in a dispute between Torah scholars (peers), usually each side has correct reasons, and the dispute is not about those reasons. The disagreement is about how to weight them against one another. My favorite example in this regard is a dispute over whether it is worthwhile to eat chocolate: Reuven says no – because it is fattening, and Shimon says yes – because it is tasty. Which of them is right? Both are right: chocolate is both fattening and tasty. Their dispute is not about the reasons but only about the question which reason outweighs the other (the weighting). This means that in the case of peers, the natural model is a harmonistic one, that is, we should conclude that truth is built from multiple facets, each of the parties to the dispute presenting one of them, exactly as we saw here.

Interestingly, the only place where the Talmud itself explains the rule of "Both these and those" is in Gittin 6b, regarding the concubine at Gibeah. There the Tannaim disagreed whether he found on her a fly or a hair, and when Elijah tells them what is happening in heaven regarding this issue, he says:

Both these and those are the words of the living God: he found a fly and did not mind; he found a hair and did mind.

That is, both sides were right, and the overall picture is formed by combining all the views of the sides (hair + fly). This is the same harmonism that we also saw with respect to the philosophical dispute about the causal potential of nothingness/absence.

[1] In the anthology Language, Thought, Society (in memory of Yehoshua Bar-Hillel, author of Logic, Language, and Method), edited by Yehuda Melzer, Magnes, 1978, p. 249.

[2] It seems to me that despite his criticism and disagreement, Oderberg is a bit too enthusiastic about Goldschmidt's article (he lavishes on it superlatives that seem excessive to me).

[3] They are based on a correct point of Hume's, who noticed that there is no empirical source from which one can learn the causal relation between two events, or the principle of causality in general. In several places I have explained that the solution to this difficulty is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater – that is, to give up the physical component within the causal relation. The more plausible alternative is to understand that we possess a non-sensory faculty of discernment that teaches us this matter (intuition, or the synthetic faculty).

[4] I discussed this topic at length in my book The Sciences of Freedom, chapter 6, and in the first part of the fourth book in the series Talmudic Logic, The Logic of Time in the Talmud. I showed there various implications of this picture, and the sorts of errors one reaches when one ignores any of these components.

[5] From Wikipedia, in its entry on him.

[6] One can, of course, say that in this sense we are dealing with something from something, because being was created from God (or by God). This connects to that marvelous midrash from Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer, about which Maimonides says in the Guide of the Perplexed II:26 that he had never seen anything stranger:

I have seen statements by Rabbi Eliezer the Great in the well-known chapters known as the Chapters of Rabbi Eliezer; I have never seen anything stranger than them in the words of a person belonging to those who follow the Torah of our teacher Moses. What he said was as follows—listen to his language: He said, "From what place were the heavens created? From the light of His garment He took and stretched it out like a cloth, and they kept extending onward, as it is said: 'Who wraps Himself in light as with a garment, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain.' And from what place was the earth created? From the snow beneath the Throne of Glory He took and cast it, as it is said: 'For to the snow He says, Be earth.'" This is the wording of that statement as it appears there. And I am astonished: what did this sage believe? If he believed it false that something can be found from nothing, and that it is impossible for what comes into being to come into being without matter from which it comes to be, and for that reason he sought for the heavens and the earth from what they were created—then what has this answer accomplished? One would then have to ask him: And the light of His garment, from what was it created? And the snow beneath the Throne of Glory, from what was it created? And the Throne of Glory itself, from what was it created? And if he means by 'the light of His garment' something uncreated, and likewise that the Throne of Glory is something uncreated, this would be extremely far-fetched, and it would also imply the eternity of the world, except that it would accord with Plato's view…

What troubles Maimonides is that this implies that creation was something from something and not something from nothing (similar to Parmenides' argument cited above). Incidentally, Nachmanides, in his commentary on Song of Songs (chapter 3, verse 17, in Rabbi Chavel's edition), really does derive from this a Platonist picture (that our world was preceded by primeval matter, because it is impossible for something to be created from nothing). All of these are grappling with the difficulty of creating something from nothing (even in the non-causal sense).

[7] According to Rif's understanding of Abaye, the custodian's liability is apparently for the negligence itself, regardless of what resulted from it. Thus, for example, Rabbi Akiva Eiger explains in his glosses there.

[8] In this connection, see the discussion of the definition of kitsch in column 109.

[9] This is a situation in which the very fact that he does not accept my claim raises in me a doubt about whether he is truly a peer. As I noted in the previous column, in situations where I do not know my interlocutor (or where my experience of him is scant, for example when it is based on only one case), one contrary case is enough for me to suspect that he is not a peer.

Discussion

Hayuta (2019-10-16)

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%94_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%9D_%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99_(%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8)
Here’s another gimmick like the philosophical article above. I wonder how common it is and how the gimmick succeeds.

Eilon (2019-10-16)

The truth is that the rabbi was talking about whether absence can be a cause. But one can also ask whether absence can be an effect. For example, what causes the phenomenon of a shadow? It’s not an event but a phenomenon. So it is commonly said that it’s a combination of light and the object that casts the shadow on the surface (and the surface itself as well). As the rabbi said, absence—only against the background of something that exists (against the background of being)—is something; it is a being. There is also the famous example of the exercise in the mechanics course on calculating the gravitational field (or electric field) of a sphere of mass (or charge) inside which, somewhere, there is an empty spherical cavity—a spherical hollow. As it stands this is something complicated to calculate, but people usually calculate it easily by means of a trick: they treat the spherical cavity as a massive sphere with negative mass (even though there is no such thing; though with charge there is), and then calculate the field at every point as the contribution of the two masses—the positive and the negative. And it’s easy. I think the fact that this is easy is not accidental, but says something about the truth in this trick.

Ain (2019-10-16)

As for your questions:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_book
and also
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Ohev Ger (2019-10-16)

You wrote:
This is a special vacuum with quantum properties that allow particles to come into being without any other prior material… the quantum character of this universe (to legislate the laws of quantum theory)…

And you also wrote:
Being is indeed not created from nothing (that is, nothing is neither its cause nor its raw material), but it can be created by some other factor (non-material. The Holy One, blessed be He).

Naive question 1:
Does it follow from statement 2, in line with statement 1, that the “laws of quantum theory” are a material existent? Can that be?

Naive question 2:
Could it be that the Holy One, blessed be He, and the quantum laws are our invention to explain the vacuum and the way it operates (or, in the language of Genesis: “formless and void”) in creating something from nothing?

Naive question 3:
What is the Holy One, blessed be He, for us? “Nothing” or “absence”? And in any case, why does He care what blessing is recited over Bamba?

A' (2019-10-16)

A simple answer (to the third question): why do you care why He cares? He commanded it, and that’s that!

Hayuta (2019-10-16)

Thanks for the links. I learned that even the Guardian doesn’t care for gimmicks at a penny a dozen.

Peshita (2019-10-16)

It is not impossible that nothing causes another nothing.
Like: “No brains, no worries.”
Nothing is perceived as absence only by the one who has.
But for one who does not have, there is no absence there, but actual nothing.

That is, it may be that what is nothing with respect to human beings is absence with respect to a higher intellect.

Michi (2019-10-16)

1. That really does not follow from the two claims. Being is created by the Holy One, blessed be He, out of nothing. But the way to do this is by means of the laws of quantum theory (the quantum character of the world), and these certainly are not entities, and certainly not material entities.
2. It could be, but in my view it is unlikely. I would replace the word “invention” with “the most reasonable explanation.” It’s like saying that the force of gravity is an invention just to explain gravitational phenomena.
3. He is neither this nor that. He is an existing being (though not a material one). As for the blessing over Bamba, I suggest you ask Him.

Michi (2019-10-16)

You are talking about the diagnostic question (how do we know whether this is nothing or absence), and claiming that perhaps our diagnosis is incorrect or incomplete. I was talking about the principled issue: what is nothing (assuming I know that it is nothing) causes nothing at all.

Peshita (2019-10-16)

Meanwhile, this nothing has caused a great deal of internet traffic because of all those who entered the site to read what you wrote about this wondrous nothing that causes nothing.

Doron (2019-10-17)

Hey there,
I liked Ohev Ger’s third question, and I didn’t understand your answer to him.
The concept of God, as I understand it, denotes the thing most distant from and most separate from man and the world. In other words, God is a “something” from which the maximum number of properties has been subtracted. But if we subtract all the properties we can from that something, in the end we are left with “nothing.”
Therefore Ohev Ger’s conclusion—that God is, at least from our perspective, nothing—seems reasonable to me.
Your view?

Michi (2019-10-17)

I wrote my view.

Doron (2019-10-17)

I understood that even before you answered me.
I was trying to sharpen a difficulty that Ohev Ger found regarding your view. In light of that I asked you what I asked.

Michi (2019-10-17)

I didn’t see anything here that requires an answer beyond what I already answered.

Doron (2019-10-17)

The point that seemingly does not fit with what you are saying is this:
God appears to be the cause of the world (He created it), and at the same time He appears (at least to me) to lack every property, and therefore His logical status is equivalent to “nothing.”
If the last statement is valid, it follows from it that nothing can serve as the cause of “something.”

Michi (2019-10-17)

Lack of properties, even if indeed God is such a thing (in my opinion He is not), does not mean that there is no God. He is a being of a different kind, and therefore there is no impediment to His being a cause of different things. I already explained this precisely in my remarks above, and I do not understand the point of repeating again and again simple things that have already been explained.

Hayuta (2019-10-17)

Perhaps it is fitting to mention here the oxymoronic expressions: “he stood out in his absence,” or “deafening silence.” What is deafening and prominent here is the emptiness, which has meaning only in light of prior expectation (= something).

Michi (2019-10-17)

Exactly!

Doron (2019-10-17)

1. I’m interested to know what that “being of a different kind” is (devoid of properties). I don’t fully understand that concept.
2. In my meager thinking I understand only “something” that can be defined in various ways (for example, “something of a different kind,” “something not of a different kind,” etc.), and “nothing.”
I can’t manage to see beyond those two possibilities.

Michi (2019-10-17)

Why do you need to understand? You yourself defined it as a being abstracted from all properties (the ones known to us. Perhaps it has others). So decide for yourself what you were talking about. But none of this relates to our discussion in any way.

Doron (2019-10-17)

I’ve already decided.
In my view, a “being” abstracted from all its properties (or its structure or its form) is not a being but nothing.

A (2019-10-17)

Rabbi, it seems to me that Doron is afflicted here with the analytic conception that a being is the collection of its properties. Accordingly, something with no properties is likewise not conceived as a being. Of course, that is a mistaken conception. Doron, see Shtei Agalot, in the first gate, in BeTov Ta’am VaDa’at.

Doron (2019-10-17)

A,
A good comment (if I may hand out grades to someone…).
But it seems to me that my consideration is exactly the opposite. The synthetic position is based on a sharp duality whose meaning is chiefly the belief in separateness between different things.
When we speak about God, we want to think that He is entirely separate (transcendent) from the world.
The philosophically correct way, in my view, to describe such separateness is Plato’s way. Following Plato, one must say that the more separate and “distant” something is, the more abstract (propertyless) it is. God is the most distant thing, and therefore He, and perhaps only He, does not have even a single property. God is nothing.

A' (2019-10-17)

Doron,

I tend to agree with everything you wrote (although one can certainly discuss God’s properties), except for the last three words. That is, how does the fact that God is an entity lacking properties lead to the conclusion that He is also nothing? He is indeed without properties, but He certainly exists.

I again repeat my recommendation to look at the first gate of Shtei Agalot. See there Leibniz’s argument about the principle of the identity of indiscernibles and Aristotle’s principle of individuation.

Oh, and thanks for the compliment 😉

Yossi (2019-10-18)

Regarding the issue of “it began in negligence and ended in circumstances beyond his control,” I have an explanation that connects well with what you wrote. Abaye’s well-known view is that even according to the opinion that he is exempt, if he took it out to the marsh he is liable even though it died by unavoidable accident, because “the air of the marsh killed it.” And apparently there it is not because of the negligence, for even if he had surrounded it with iron walls it would have died from the marsh air, and there is no connection between the negligence of taking it out to the marsh and the outcome of death; apparently this is complete unavoidable accident. And I wanted to distinguish in the matter, that there is a difference between a case where the unavoidable accident came about because of the negligence and an unavoidable accident of which one says that had there been no negligence it would not have occurred. That is, in the case of tzarifa de-urbana, there is not the slightest reason to say that the watchman increased the risk of theft, and he caused absolutely nothing to the final accidental outcome. If anything, he reduced the chances. Rather, had he not been negligent and placed it there, the unavoidable accident would not have happened either. This is not so in the case of the air of the marsh, where there is some likelihood (albeit low) that the air would weigh upon the cow, and therefore it is considered that the watchman brought about the accident as a direct result of the negligent act. Here the responsibility is not only for the omission, but for the active deed of the watchman.

Michi (2019-10-18)

First, “the air of the marsh” is a case of outright negligence. He did not lock it properly, and it died because it went out (the air of the marsh is not in its cowshed. If there had been walls, it would not have been in the marsh). Perhaps you meant the second scenario: “What difference does it make to the Angel of Death whether here or there.”
As for your distinction itself, this is the distinction between negligence and “it began in negligence and ended in unavoidable accident,” exactly as I explained.

Yossi (2019-10-18)

I didn’t understand.
“The air of the marsh” is an accident from the land of accidents… Even when he placed it in the hut one can say that this is negligence, since he did not guard it properly and placed it in an unsuitable place. The only question is: unsuitable with respect to what? An unsuitable place with respect to fire, and an excellent place with respect to the final result— theft. The same applies to the air of the marsh: it is an unsuitable place with respect to thieves and wolves, but a suitable place with respect to air. The air of the marsh, considered in itself, is a very remote and unlikely case that it should kill, and is considered unavoidable accident.
The question that arises (also according to many of the Rishonim in that sugya) is what makes the case different from tzarifa de-urbana, where there is the same connection between the negligence and the accident, and why there does Abaye concede that he is exempt?
And I distinguished (in addition to the distinction between negligence and “it began in negligence and ended in unavoidable accident”) that there are two types of “it began in negligence and ended in unavoidable accident”: one where the unavoidable accident came because of the negligence, and one where the unavoidable accident would not have come were it not for the negligence. A fine distinction, but another and different distinction.

Doron (2019-10-18)

A,
First, I don’t have Shtei Agalot, not even one little calf, or any time soon. If it falls into my hands, I’ll be happy to look at it.
But why do I need calves if their creator allows me direct and live dialogue with him and is willing to answer each difficulty on its own merits? Isn’t that better?
On the matter itself, I have no problem if you choose to call something that has no characterization at all “being.” For all I care, call it “fruit bat.” It simply seems to me to be an unusual use of the term. Insofar as God is “a being of a different kind” (in Michi’s definition), we have not succeeded in distancing Him enough from the world, and consequently we are not speaking of God but of something else.
Personally, I very much like my God cold and alienated, and so I always make a point of distancing Him from me as much as I can.

A (2019-10-18)

Doron,

There are advantages to concision and to live conversation, but it has drawbacks as well. And to an outside observer the dialogue here really resembles a dialogue of the deaf. Michi is tossing you his conclusions here, and less so the long road and the full arguments.

And precisely because of your lack of time, I suggest that instead of going round and round in this discussion or that, do yourself a favor and buy the book. A wholehearted recommendation.

That’s it, I think we’ve exhausted it. I won’t repeat these things again. Happy holiday and festive greetings!

Doron (2019-10-18)

When I get the chance.
Happy holiday.

A (2019-10-18)

Doron, if you want a scan of the relevant chapter—contact me on WhatsApp. Join Michael Abraham’s Beit Midrash group— https://chat.whatsapp.com/EFEjGle8Sr8JmbEfxA7hob

Doron (2019-10-23)

My friend A,

I took the trouble to look through what you sent me, and I’m afraid I did not find what you asked me to find.
What Michi says there does indeed seem right and fitting to me, and it is certainly also related to the subject of our debate.
But it is not clear to me why you think those things support the position he expressed in my argument with him, or why they “expose” an analytic bias in what I wrote.

If I understood him correctly, then according to his method (which is actually Aristotle’s method), “being” is composed of matter and form (where the form is essentially the collection of the properties and/or characteristics of the “being”).

But I have no disagreement at all about that. Like him, I too tend to think that matter indeed bears the form on its back.

But all this is generally so—that is, when we are speaking of “ordinary” “beings.”
When we speak of God, I think we are speaking of pure matter, that is, something completely abstract (devoid of properties). In other words, we are speaking of nothing.

Perhaps the following anecdote will reinforce my point:
Most scholars of Aristotle tend to say that his concept of “matter” received its inspiration from Plato’s concept of space (which in the Timaeus is also called “nurse” or “receptacle”).
Plato’s space, nothingness, is devoid of every property (as Plato writes explicitly), and Aristotle therefore adopts it into his philosophy and calls it “matter.”

In any case, it seems to me that the insistence on describing God as “a being of a different kind” does not succeed in distancing from Him the slightest trace of properties that clings to Him. In short: it is a correct move, but not sufficiently consistent.

Think about this: if you want to distance one single entity from the world as much as possible (and only it), would describing it as “nothing” not do the job best? In my opinion it would.

A' (2019-10-23)

Hello and good evening to you, Doron,

It is not clear to me why you continue the discussion here on the site. It seems to me that our topic is not really interesting and does not attract much interest among the readers—am I mistaken?

In any case, I agree with almost your entire line of thought. I will quote what you wrote: “But all this is generally so—that is, when we are speaking of ‘ordinary’ ‘beings.’ When we speak of God, I think we are speaking of pure matter, that is, something completely abstract (devoid of properties)”—up to this point I sign my name to every single word.

But then suddenly you jumped and wrote: “In other words, we are speaking of nothing”—oops, here I lost you! Why is this ‘nothing’? Must a being have properties, such that when it loses its properties it turns into ‘nothing’?! But you yourself wrote that ‘matter’ is not identical with the collection of its properties! Such a being is God!

In an analytic conception, where matter is in fact the collection of its properties, then when there are no properties there is in fact ‘nothing’ here. But דווקא in a synthetic conception—to which you agreed!—there can be a reality of a being lacking properties. That is really not ‘nothing’; it is ‘a being of a special kind,’ in Michi’s words.

By the minute it seems to me that you define ‘nothing’ differently from the meaning in which I (and Michi, and indeed most people) use it. If so, perhaps this is merely a semantic argument.

To conclude, your “think about this” is just a failed idea. Obviously the greatest possible distancing of the object is to cancel it. But then it simply does not exist. There is no ‘thing’ here that is distant. In fact there is nothing here at all—‘nothing.’ God certainly exists and is not abolished at all, so I am indeed inclined to agree with the trend of distancing Him, but certainly not to abolish Him. It follows that He exists; there is matter here, but very distant, devoid of properties. A ‘being’ (like every being) unique in its kind (for it is devoid of properties).

All right, I think we’ve really exhausted it. Good evening to you, and much success!

Doron (2019-10-23)

Of course the topic doesn’t interest the readers. Did you think otherwise?

In any case, it seems to me that you are again—mistakenly—attributing to me the one-dimensional analytic position according to which “being” is made only of properties, whereas I explicitly argued that for the most part (except for the case of God, apparently) it is made of properties + matter.

A “being” of a divine kind (if I may put it that way) seems to me from the outset to be devoid of properties. The fact that we called it “matter” is only terminology; we could just as well have called it “God” or “substance” or anything else. When I try to clarify for myself the essence of the concept of “matter,” it occurs to me that in fact it is equivalent to what we usually call “nothing” (by the way, it seems to me that in Aristotle himself there is some basis for such an identification between matter and nothing).

Methodologically, I truly do not understand what your stopping criterion is: you decide to strip God of His properties (which in my view it is not at all certain He had in the first place), but at some point, just before you complete the process, you stop arbitrarily.

The concept of nothing seems to me to be the peak of metaphysics, a kind of transcendental condition relative to which everything exists. A kind of potential.
Therefore I like to think of God as a “total” potential, pure possibility, or “nothing” out of which the world was created.

A' (2019-10-23)

All right, it seems to me that we’ve exhausted it. I would only repeat myself now. Let the readers who do not exist here judge 😉 Good evening!

Matanya Bartov (2019-10-24)

Many works of art are based on the experience of one kind of absence or another. Kazimir Malevich’s Black Square, Duchamp’s urinal, and the work most interesting for discussion here—John Cage’s 4′33″.

In the piece, John Cage sits in front of a piano and does not play a single note. This does not prevent the audience from bursting into stormy applause at the end. One of the claims behind the work is that every composition contains moments of silence. Without them it is not complete, just as it is not complete without the notes. There are also agreed-upon signs for the length of the silence, etc. We could say to him—
Silence is not part of the musical experience, but an absence that makes the experience possible, just as the absence of a million shekels causes sadness only when one wants to make use of the money. Silence has meaning only when there are sounds beside it.

So in fact his work is still a work, but it is not a musical work. So what is it? Perhaps theatrical?

Michi (2019-10-25)

Exactly what I said.

Another tale of a 'signature without a letter' (2019-11-06)

They tell that one of the maskilim sent the Malbim, as a Purim gift, “the other thing” made of sugar. The Malbim took his own picture and sent it to the sender, with a note attached: “Many thanks for the portrait of yourself that you sent me, and I hereby enclose a portrait of myself” 🙂

Regards, Sh. Tz.

And another story about someone who sent a collect telegram to his miserly friend. When the miser paid good money, he was surprised to discover that the telegram read: “I hereby inform you, my dear and pleasant friend, that my welfare is excellent and my health, livelihood, and family are in good condition, etc. etc.”

The miser stood up and put a heavy stone in a box and sent it collect to the sender, with a note attached: “When I heard that your welfare was excellent, etc., a stone was lifted from my heart, and that is what I have sent you collect.”

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