Other than destroying the Torah world and carrying out hatred-soaked harassment of the Haredim, the word of God, and everything Jewish in the state, how will this government be any different from its predecessors?
What other difference is there between the governments besides the terrible expected abuse of the Haredim because they have conscientious objections, and because they remind them of the sweet Jew from the shtetl that they are trying to escape from in order to resemble gentiles

With God’s help, 4 Tammuz 5781

To Israel Saba — abundant greetings,

The heads of the new government — Bennett and Lapid — have made it clear that they want to add the Haredi parties to the government. The reason is apparently that they do not want to be dependent on the far left (Michaeli, Meretz, and the like) and on the Arabs. The foreign and security policy they seek to advance is a “moderate left”: to advance the “peace process” while maintaining security, and for that they need partnership with the Haredim, who also are mostly willing to make territorial compromises for the sake of peace.

There are elements in this government, such as Lieberman and his faction, Meretz, and parts of Yesh Atid, who advocate persecuting Haredim out of hatred and populism. By contrast, Bennett seeks to encourage Haredim to enter the workforce, and in his speech he said that he aims to lower the exemption age from military service from 24 to 21 in order to encourage going to work.

It seems they are about to apply the “stick and carrot” method toward the Haredi public. On the one hand, they put Lieberman and Kushnir in charge of the Finance Ministry and the Finance Committee, which will cause major difficulties for Torah institutions; on the other hand, Bennett, Ayelet Shaked, Matan Kahana, Sa’ar, Gantz, and the like will work for a more moderate approach, which may not refrain from applying some pressure, but with a focused goal: to encourage entry into the workforce and integration into Israeli society, while the pressure will also be accompanied by lots of support and encouragement.

Bennett and Lapid aspire to have the Haredim inside the government, and their presence there will moderate the far left and the Arabs, thereby strengthening the security dimension. At the same time, it stands to reason that the presence of Haredi parties in the government will improve its attitude toward religion and toward the yeshivot.

One could say that this government is a return to the days of Mapai rule (later: the Labor Party), which was interested in the religious and the Haredim as coalition partners who received support in the areas of education and religion, while leaving the determination of policy in foreign affairs, security, and the economy to the dominant Labor Party.

Note that Yamina received in this government the Interior and Religious Affairs ministries, the historical preserve of the National Religious Party. The role of prime minister, when the Foreign, Defense, Internal Security, and Finance ministries are in the hands of the left, is purely symbolic (consolation to the Religious Zionists that at least they won the presidency 🙂

Best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner

The settlement enterprise and Israeli rule in Judea and Samaria are at greater risk in this government, in which the left controls foreign affairs and security. The people of the left will seek to align with the U.S. and advance the “peace process” in the direction of a Palestinian state. And may God help…

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You’re putting me to the test again. I’ll delete your stupid messages if you don’t make sure to justify these empty declarations.

The truth hurts.

That is certainly possible, but one thing is certain: you have no way of knowing that. That is because I did not manage to detect even the slightest shred of truth in your words. When you write something true for once, you may perhaps be able to test the thesis of whether truth hurts or not. The wailing of a robbed Cossack usually hurts, but of course that should not be confused with truth.

Deleted due to irrelevance. I will only clarify my policy: stupidity, which was also present here in abundance, is not grounds for deletion. M.A.

I didn’t understand the words:
“destroying the Torah world,” which appeared in the comment above.
If all the Haredim work like everyone else in the world works, and learn two hours at night and 10 hours over the weekend, which comes out to 1,000 hours a year—not a small amount at all—why would the Torah world be destroyed? There would be a few hundred or a few thousand “geniuses” who would learn as their “job,” but everyone else would work like everybody else.
How does such a scenario “destroy” the Torah world? I really don’t understand.
Quite the opposite—it enlarges the Torah world many times over, and it upgrades the Torah world because it would be Torah connected to the world, Torah together with broad understanding in science, etc.

With God’s help, 4 Tammuz 5781

To Israel Saba — abundant greetings,

Bennett’s problem is not the Haredim but the Hardalim, whom he wants to replace with a more liberal Torah leadership, since the guiding framework of his policy on religion is Tani Frank of Torah and Labor Faithful.

Lapid and Lieberman are the major fighters against the Haredim for populist reasons, and in this Bennett and Shaked are moderating factors. Bennett once explained that the Haredim are a convenient partner in a coalition because they do not aspire to determine the state’s foreign, security, and economic policy, but rather focus on the needs of their sector in the areas of religion, education, housing, and health. This time, it seems that Lapid too understood this, and he also joined the call for the Haredi parties to join.

And as I explained, Lieberman is serving here as the stick with which to threaten the Haredim: if you don’t join, Lieberman will make trouble for you, so you’d better join in order to balance him out.

Best regards, Y.F.O.

Smotrich is the one who re-crowned Bennett, after Bennett left the Jewish Home and failed. Instead of helping rebuild the Jewish Home and creating a three-way partnership—the Jewish Home, the National Union, and Otzma Yehudit—Smotrich joined Bennett in order to push out Rabbi Peretz, and afterward joined Ben-Gvir in order to push out Hagit Moshe, thereby pushing her toward Bennett.

The same phenomenon—lack of respect for natural partners—also happened in the negotiations to establish a right-wing government. Likud and the Haredim were prepared to form a government of 59 with Abbas abstaining. Smotrich’s refusal to that was a “stringency that leads to leniency.” It both led to the establishment of a government with Abbas and the left, and also turned the Religious Zionism party’s natural partners—Likud and the Haredim—against it. If you are a small party, it is also permitted to “bow your head” and fall in line with your partners.

Deleted due to irrelevance. M.A.

I asked a very relevant question: if the whole goal isn’t to harm the Haredim after all the incitement during COVID, then why did they bring in Lieberman instead of the Haredim, who aren’t even asking for ministers in the first place?

To I.S. — greetings,

The main goal of the “change bloc” was to depose Netanyahu, and the Haredim refused to lend a hand to that, knowing that the right is closer to tradition than the left. After “the decree was sealed,” it appears that at some stage the Haredim will prefer to join, and even Lieberman will “answer amen against his will,” because he has something more important than hatred, and that is “money,” as it is written: “money answers everything.” Lieberman will receive “a Tosefta in its plain sense” and everything will work out 🙂

As I explained, Lieberman received the Finance Ministry and the Finance Committee in order to serve as a threat to the Haredim that will motivate them to join the left-wing government, and then they’ll “remove the goat” (from Nekudim 🙂 and everyone will breathe easier. Presumably they’ll pass some harsh but unenforceable “draft law,” and the world will continue as usual. Drafting tens of thousands of Haredim into the army would be a terrible “religionization” of the army, which no secular person really wants.

With the blessing, “a time for ideology and a time for calming down,” Kahan Torments

It is indeed a relevant question, but a very stupid one. But as stated, stupidity is not grounds for deletion or for not responding. One should take our brothers into account, those who did not study core curriculum and were not blessed with common sense.
They didn’t bring them in because they clung to Bibi the liar and the corrupt one (not for nothing does the starling go to the raven), and they themselves did not want to come in. Even now they are being invited, but they prefer to whine and blame the entire universe and his wife except themselves (just like during COVID, apropos what you in your foolishness called “the incitement”). By the way, in my estimation and to my great regret, there is a decent chance they will join soon.
Besides, they may not ask for ministers, but they do ask for money and positions of power. There are no free lunches, and certainly not with the Haredim.

“In a closed faction meeting of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, party chairman Avigdor Lieberman said that ‘there is no possibility of adding the Haredim to the government. Anyone who claims that the Haredim can be added to this government is fooling himself and others,’ as reported by Dafna Liel on Channel 12 News.”

That’s from a Religious Zionist website that I brought!!!
What is that if not hatred of Haredim????

The Haredim want the minimum, enough with a measure of carobs.

Anyone who doesn’t know about the incitement and hatred there was here throughout all the media during COVID, because Jews listened to their rabbis and preserved Torah study—and in fact there weren’t more sick people among the Haredim than among the rest—had better not speak

Gafni didn’t study core curriculum and knew very well how to understand what was said to him in the Finance Committee. You don’t need “core curriculum” in order to know how to think logically and look reality in the eye

How fortunate you are that you listen to your rabbis and don’t read reliable information sources; otherwise you might discover the facts as they really are. That way your theory remains perfect and unfalsifiable. In fact, there were no Haredim sick with COVID at all. That was Religious Zionist propaganda (actually together with Deri, the Religious Zionist, who as Interior Minister pointed out that at the time he was speaking, the number of Haredi patients was almost half of all patients).

And whoever wants a measure of carobs, the proper advice is to grow them rather than mooch for them and bawl about antisemitism when he doesn’t get them (even though he does get them, much more than a measure within four cubits).

There were more sick people because they live more modestly, in crowded conditions, and with large families (that surely drives Lieberman and Tommy Lapid’s son crazy), but there were not more deaths—check me on that

No answers.

By the way, you don’t write “besides” like that, but as two separate words—just for your general knowledge

Venerable old grandfather,
I tend to write it that way because it’s common slang and I like it. Since there are so many spelling mistakes in your previous messages, it’s really strange to me to get corrections דווקא from you.
But thanks for the lesson.

Yesterday a secular acquaintance told me:

How do the Haredim have such gall? To get benefits and budgets, exempt themselves from every civic burden, and after that thumb their noses at everyone during COVID?

I didn’t know what to answer him.