Another Look at Defining Haredi Identity (Column 693)
Many times in the past I have dealt with Haredi society and its (many) shortcomings. I also noted how very hard it is to define it, since it’s difficult to find a substantive principle that could serve as a litmus test for “Haredi-ness”: a question to which a “yes” answer would tell us the respondent is Haredi and a “no” answer would tell us he isn’t. The attitude to Zionism is highly amorphous. The state has been here for about eight decades, and today many Haredim cooperate with it and want it to succeed (what sane person would want the state that sustains him or protects him to collapse or go bankrupt?! That has nothing to do with Zionist convictions). The question whether the state is “the beginning of redemption” (atchalta de-ge’ulah) or “the footsteps of the Messiah” (ikveta de-Meshicha) is ill-defined, and most who use these terms don’t understand them themselves. It doesn’t really say anything, and certainly has no practical implications. So what’s left? The draft? Today there are already quite a few Haredim who enlist or at least support the draft in principle. “Torah protects and saves,” or fear of spiritual deterioration in the army? That, too, exists outside Haredi circles. By the way, the struggle over the draft is in no way connected to attitudes toward Zionism but to separatism. Yet separatism, gender separation, resistance to any new idea, obedience to rabbinic “Da’at Torah” and viewing rabbis as a superior human who is immune to criticism and error (and we haven’t even mentioned kabbalists and other vegetables)—all these also characterize various religious-Zionist circles (Hardalim) and even traditionalists. It’s hard to draw a clear line on these matters.
In my series of columns on Modern Orthodoxy (475 – 480) I tried to sketch a map of different relations to halakhah, and to distinguish within the world committed to halakhah (Orthodox, and perhaps Conservative as well) between different models of halakhic commitment. The main distinction there was between “plain” conservatism and “midrashic” conservatism, but even these distinctions fail to get at the root of Haredi-ness, since as I explained there it’s mainly a distinction between modern religiosity and conservative religiosity, not necessarily Haredi. In a manifesto written a bit later I built on that analysis and explained that the relevant identity line dividing camps in the religious-Haredi world today is not the attitude toward Zionism but the attitude toward modernity; on both sides of that line Haredi groups connect with national-religious groups (see also in column 665). I therefore argued that the identity watershed relevant in our time does not run between Haredim and religious-Zionists but between moderns and conservatives. National-Haredism is Haredi in every respect, and the difference between Hardalim and Haredim is no more essential than the difference between Vizhnitz and Belz or Lithuanian Haredim. Beyond the enthusiastic theological slogans that sound very different, in real life—and especially regarding halakhah and Torah—in the condescension, the ignorance, and the separatism, the resemblance is very great. In column 680 I noted phenomena of duality and stuckness in the Haredi world, but those, too, are social phenomena and failings, not ideological definitions.
So who and what is a Haredi at all? What are we even talking about? To whom is my statement at the start of the column—that Haredi society is full of problems—directed? Is there even a subject to that sentence? Is it really true that there is no definition of Haredi-ness?
It’s not for nothing that people who deal with these issues tend to migrate to sociology: to conclude that Haredi-ness is not an ideology but sociology. And even if there is an ideology there, at most it is a reaction to modernity (and to Zionism?) and not something substantive; what mainly arose was a new type of society—that is, still in the realms of sociology. Rabbi Menachem Navat, in his new book, Haredim el Devaro (I only began reading it, and as expected it’s truly fascinating), objects to presenting Haredi-ness as a new phenomenon and argues that it is not merely sociology. He tries to ground Haredi-ness in a sanctified relation to halakhah and Torah, and in the traditional character of that relation (thus he links Haredi-ness with traditionalism, contrary to common intuitions). I haven’t read the whole book, but such a description strikes me as very puzzling, since such an attitude to halakhah exists also outside Haredi circles. We’re back to questions of degree; in fact, proposals like this make these differentiations (Haredi vs. Hardal, “serious” national-religious vs. even traditionalist) even more rooted in sociological ground rather than ideological. Of course one can simply define all bearers of those traits (including traditionalists?) as Haredim, turning the thesis into a tautology unfalsifiable by definition, but that’s not very interesting.
One could also claim we’re dealing with a bundle of traits, none of which is a clear, unequivocal litmus test, since for complex phenomena the very hope of such a test is simplistic and naïve. In many cases we find, in diagnosing bodily and/or mental illness, that several features out of a given set must be present to determine that you are this or that (see the general discussion of definitions in my series on poetry, 107 – 113), and perhaps that’s also the definition we should expect here. But such a characterization again assumes sociology more than ideology. Therefore, as noted, it is commonly thought that there really are no essential traits of Haredi-ness.
In recent days more thoughts on this awakened in me. Until now I too was convinced that Haredi-ness is sociology rather than ideology, but following my first read in Rabbi Navat’s book and following classes I’m now giving in the “Dogmatics” series, I thought of another trait that may be more essential to Haredi-ness as opposed to all other religious conceptions and groups, and that’s what I wanted to present in this column. Perhaps I have found here a kind of litmus test. After I describe it I’ll try to use it to explain the sociological features as well.
Let me add two necessary caveats. First, I am mostly describing here, not judging. Even if there are aspects I write about critically, that is not the main point. My goal here is mainly diagnostic: to try to understand what a Haredi is and what Haredi-ness is. I’ll present my personal stance at the end. Second, don’t expect the descriptions to fit every Haredi or national-religious person. As in any such discussion, these are generalizations, but I think they capture the gist of the difference between the groups. When describing large groups there will always be exceptions, but the description should be examined by how well it fits the group’s principled conceptions as they appear in the group’s collective conduct. Incidentally, with exceptions too it is usually worth examining what their exception is based on (a substantive difference or a side influence—or perhaps just confusion and lack of awareness). What reasons do they give for their divergence? Sometimes the exceptions and their reasons actually express the central stream’s conception even more sharply.
Prepare for the Coming of the Messiah and for Life in the World to Come
In the recent classes of the Dogmatics series (classes 18–20) we reached the Rambam’s last three principles among his Thirteen Principles (yesodot): reward and punishment (mainly in the World to Come), the coming of the Messiah, and the resurrection of the dead. In discussing them, a penny dropped for me regarding the difference between Haredi religiosity and non-Haredi religiosity.
Already many years ago I thought about the fact that the World to Come is simply absent from the non-Haredi religious discourse (even on its conservative wing). Think when was the last time you heard a non-Haredi rabbi—or person—speak about the World to Come? About heaven and hell? Or about reward and punishment generally? I don’t recall ever hearing this. Some attribute this to weak faith in such abstract matters, but in my view the focus is entirely different. Haredim view this world as a corridor to the next world. It is a necessary stage not to be disparaged, but in the end we’re here to get there. Our goals are there, and our utopias are all there. By contrast, religious-Zionists (and perhaps non-Haredi religious people generally) mainly speak about repairing this world, and are not much interested in the next world. It’s not necessarily because they don’t believe in it, but because it isn’t the focus of the work as they see it. In the World to Come there will be some kind of recompense, but we act in this world and for this world. Our task is to repair it; if we do (or try to), perhaps we’ll receive reward in the next world.
I think that among Haredim, ignoring reward and insisting on serving God “for its own sake” requires great effort; among religious-Zionists it’s natural and hardly discussed. The default there is serving for its own sake: simply because that’s how a person should live and that’s how this world will be made better. Our role is to repair it—by means of commandments and in general—whereas among Haredim our role is to observe commandments, and in the best case, when Haredim do speak of “repairing the world,” they mean performing the commandments. The commandments are not a means to repair the world; they are the repair itself. “Tikkun olam” talk is utterly foreign to the Haredi person. It sounds to them like the ways of the gentiles or Reformism. And the Mizrochnikim? Well, it’s known they’re half gentile and half Reform.
If we move to the next principle—talk of the Messiah—it is certainly more present in the religious-Zionist world. But there it is present only at the level of the actions we must do to bring him. In the end this is about our tasks here and now. The faith is that the Messiah will be brought by us, not descend upon us. It is not just a reward for our deeds but a life mission. The purpose of creation is to bring it to a more rectified state, not a chapter in the doctrine of reward. After we acted rightly, the result is that the Messiah arrives (not the prize)—but that is not the essence. No wonder that as “Isaiah the Third” (Yeshayahu Leibowitz) put it, in his characteristic moderation: “The Messiah will always be coming. Any Messiah who has arrived is a false Messiah.” Among Haredim, the Messiah is a hope for a rosy, more tranquil future. He will comfort us from the grief of our hands and from the messed-up world we live in now. That’s how we’ll escape this world. Of course, this does not require us to act here and now—besides keeping commandments and avoiding sins. For them, bringing the Messiah is a matter of passive expectation (“Did you await salvation?”), not a way of action. The days of the Messiah and the expectation of them are, in their view, a substitute for this world, a way to depart from it and rise above it. By contrast, for religious-Zionists the Messiah is a mission and a roadmap for the present. One must live as engaged and rightly as possible in this world in order to repair it—and that will bring the Messiah. Whether he actually arrives at the end or not is less important. The main thing is that we lived rightly, tried to bring him, and repaired the world.
Moreover, there’s also a difference in the utopia meant to reign when the Messiah comes. What will be when he arrives? Religious-Zionists will tell you the world will be more rectified: there will be peace, service of God, morality, and wisdom and knowledge (and perhaps also science, art, and democracy). For Haredim, the Messiah will bring us to more tranquil lives and optimal observance of commandments and Torah study (not necessarily to a “rectified world”—or perhaps that itself is the rectification). For them, it’s the light at the end of the dark tunnel we’ve been in since Adam’s sin. There we can finally rest (a bummer, for religious-Zionists: lives without the need for repair missions—what’s the point?).
Here we reach the third principle: resurrection of the dead. For Haredim this is practically an apocalypse. After the utopia in the next world—return to this world again?! A truly terrifying vision. Well, one can take comfort in the fact that the world then will be different, more tranquil. We will meet our loved ones again, and especially our rabbis and saints (though we already met them in the next world), so the specter isn’t so awful. Thus one can indeed yearn for the resurrection. By contrast, for religious-Zionists returning to this world is the desire of the soul, a longed-for vision. It gives us a second chance to live here and repair this world that awaits us. For them, our basic mission is here, and the episode of the next world is an incomprehensible necessity. No wonder the next world is absent from religious-Zionist discourse. People tend to repress nightmares.
The World and Life as a “Ringo” Course
The IDF tank commanders’ course includes several tracks each trainee must pass. A “course” is a variety of challenges a tank commander faces, where he must choose the correct course of action for each (grenade, machine gun, cannon, retreat, run-over, call for help, etc.). The last course is a “solo” course, where the trainee faces these challenges alone (without the “gardener” who accompanies him). The next-to-last course is called “Ringo.” Unlike all the others where the trainee knows in advance what awaits him at each stage, in the Ringo course unexpected incidents and challenges pop up and the trainee must respond in real time (I think the name is after the famous quick-draw shooter from the pulp Westerns “Ringo” series).
For the Haredi person and Haredi society, the world is a Ringo course. God leads us through the world, each time throwing up a new challenge. Our goal is to overcome the challenges, respond correctly, and survive intact until the World to Come. There, and only there, can we receive reward for our toil and rest (“among the dead—free”; “Jacob sought to dwell in tranquility; the rage of Esau leapt upon him,” and the like). It’s a world that is wholly good and long, etc.—the light at the end of the tunnel or the banquet hall at the end of the corridor. Note that although these concepts are rooted in the Talmud and the Torah literature generally, they sound utterly foreign to the non-Haredi ear. They’re not used and not thought that way. Haredim worry about finishing the world’s obstacle course with a perfect score—that is their entire business here. In their view, fear of Heaven is measured by exiting the world’s Ringo course with maximal marks.
This can be illustrated by the familiar joke about the kollel fellow who wanted to give gifts to the poor on Purim but couldn’t find a worthy pauper. He turned to the town’s gang leader and asked him to kindly rob some good Jew as early in the day as possible so there would be a proper poor person for the mitzvah. Sounds like a joke, but I think it accurately reflects the Haredi conception. Were robbery not prohibited, I’m not sure they wouldn’t actually do it. After all, I earn a mitzvah and he doesn’t lose anything. “This one benefits and that one suffers no loss” (though “mitzvot were not given for enjoyment”). For the Haredi fellow, charity is a test he must pass successfully in order to reach the next world in the most desired, perfect fashion. He doesn’t see the poor person and his needs but the commandment. He may chase charity day and night with great devotion, but his aim is not to repair the world and improve the poor man’s situation but to improve his own spiritual state. And if he sees the poor person at all, it’s only because that is a more meticulous fulfillment of the commandment (like the man who observes commandments “for their own sake” because you get more reward for that).
Is This “Not for Its Own Sake”?
An important clarification is needed. I’m not talking here about egocentrism in the simple sense, and certainly not about serving “not for its own sake.” I’m not claiming that the fellow necessarily gives charity to merit reward in the next world. He can serve “for its own sake” and not for reward, but his aim is to perform the commandment because it is God’s will, not to improve the poor person’s condition. My claim is that for him the poor person is a “silhouette target” on the Ringo course of life, and he must complete the course with a maximal, complete score, for that is the essence of serving God in his eyes. One who serves for reward serves “not for its own sake,” but here I’m drawing a distinction between two models of serving “for its own sake.” I clarified this further in column 236, where I defined the notion of “spiritual solipsism.”
Solipsism is a position that denies the existence of an external world. Serving God of the sort I described is spiritual solipsism, since in my perspective only I exist opposite God; all others don’t truly exist here. They are all “silhouette targets” on my course: challenges I must pass successfully. To sharpen this I brought there the Talmudic passage in Bava Batra on defining the mitzvah of charity (is it for the poor person or for the giver), and the Rambam’s words on this, especially the practical halakhic difference for gifts to the poor from a non-walled city to a walled one or vice versa: if the gift is for the poor person one should give according to his Purim, but if the aim is the giver perhaps one should give on the giver’s Purim (one can of course hair-split this). Note that both ways can count as serving for its own sake (i.e., not for reward). The difference is between a view that puts the recipient at the center and one that puts the giver at the center. Even if the giver is central, one can speak of repairing the giver’s soul or simply pleasing God through obedience—not necessarily of reward he will receive. So this is not necessarily service “not for its own sake.” There is a conception in which he is at the center and the world and others are just silhouette targets; but he acts for the sake of Heaven. He perfects himself because it is God’s will. In short: if the trainee’s goal on the course is to perfect himself, that is service “for its own sake”; if his goal is to get reward, that is service “not for its own sake.” And if his goal is to repair the world? Ah—then he simply isn’t Haredi.
The Difference Between Types of Activity in the World
From this distinction one can understand the two groups’ attitude to Zionism. Zionism arose to change something in the world. Religious-Zionism joined and colored it in religious hues, but still the combination is natural. The goal is to fix something and bring change in the world. Haredim, for their part, think we must simply make it through the world intact. Cooperate with secular people? Take responsibility? Out of the question. After all, we might stumble into transgressions or “become corrupted,” Heaven forfend. For them, the value of arriving whole to the next world outweighs everything. This world is of no interest, for it is only a corridor whose value is at most instrumental. The concern for “corruption” as the be-all and end-all also underlies opposition to the draft; and again one can see the essential difference between the groups. On both sides there is fear of corruption, but the religious-Zionists believe one cannot freeze and leave the world broken and dangerous, even if that entails spiritual risks. Repairing the world takes precedence. Haredim leave repairing the world to others and set as their goal to arrive safely and whole to the next world (“I lived with Laban and kept 613 commandments”; sound in body and wealth, etc.).
You will notice that despite Haredi influences on Hardalim, in this picture the Hardalim are entirely on the religious-Zionist side, not the Haredi side. They definitely act to repair the world. They too do not talk about the next world, and the Messiah is a goal that guides present action toward repairing the world—not a coveted destination and an utopia of tranquility on a farm. Hence my sense is that this distinction indeed captures the difference between the groups authentically, since all shades on both sides join here to the “correct” wing. The sociology truly reflects the essence.
Note also the kinds of voluntary activity undertaken in the two groups. Haredim engage in charity and kindness, free-loan societies (gmachs), organizations for observing mitzvot (redeeming a firstborn donkey, separating challah, baking matzot, letting the land lie fallow in the sabbatical year), or caring for “our crowd” (anshei shelomeinu) and for their interests and power positions so they can continue living in a greenhouse and survive. By contrast, on the religious-Zionist side the activity is primarily to repair society and the world (according to their path and values, of course): changing the general education system of the state, the religious components in the state, the whole Land of Israel and settlement (from the right), or peace, social care for the weak, and human rights (from the left), the Chief Rabbinate, and the like. All these are actions whose goal is not sectoral—even if colored with that society’s ideology. The character of the repair is set by their values, but the action is done to repair the world.
Look at the sabbatical year (shemittah), which is ostensibly a clear religious-halakhic goal. In religious-Zionism they advance the “heter mechirah,” which tries to offer a state-level solution for the seventh year and takes into account the general public and all farmers. In the Haredi world there is “mehadrin shemittah,” i.e., personal solutions that are not particularly concerned with the state and its farmers. They import Palestinian produce so as not to stumble, God forbid, in the severe prohibition of shemittah or in “lo tehonem” (not selling land to a gentile); to that end they help hand over all lands in Israel to gentiles by harming Israeli agriculture and encouraging Palestinian agriculture. And of course they take care of a training fund for farmers who let their fields lie fallow—at the expense of society as a whole—and let the rest burn (see in column 691). This is an excellent example of focusing on the individual and his spiritual level over addressing the general situation.
The closest activity to “repairing the world” in Haredi society is outreach to bring people back to observance (kiruv)—and that certainly exists. But even that is hard to define as straightforward world-repair, for several reasons. First, it is mainly meant to strengthen your own camp, not to effect general social repair. It is sectoral. In its nature it operates on individuals, not on the structure of society (“come to us and improve your standing in the next world”). Moreover, such actions themselves are mitzvot (“do not stand idly by your neighbor’s blood”; “rebuke, you shall rebuke”), and thus it need not be altruism for the other but can be for yourself (as the mashgiach at the “Netivot Olam” yeshiva—for ba’alei teshuvah—said when I was there: in connection with your family, don’t constantly try to make them religious; you mainly do this to bolster your own confidence in the step you took, not for Heaven’s sake). And since this is about improving the other person’s next-world situation, it’s not really repairing the state of this world, certainly not directly. One indication is the caution in Haredi society about getting close to ba’alei teshuvah (and marrying them). Their difficulties integrating into the surrounding Haredi society express that here too the fear of “corruption,” or really of a drop in my social status, outweighs the desire to repair or contribute to the other. None of this is to say such activity is wrong—absolutely not. I am entirely in favor of outreach. Likewise gmachs and charity and kindness. But this list helps clarify my claim that even positive activities there are not done to “repair the world” in the usual sense.
Internal Social Repair Within the Haredi Sector
Activity to repair society—even Haredi society—is simply not undertaken in the Haredi world. Beyond the general feature I described, this likely stems also from the conception that Haredi society is perfect—so what is there to repair?! Individuals may be flawed here and there, but “repairing society” is practically heresy in a principle (it assumes the Haredi principles aren’t perfect).
True, in recent years such actions are beginning to be taken, but they have two features that preserve the Haredi spirit: (1) they are done against Haredi society and on its margins; (2) they always focus on changes inside Haredi society, not in the general society. I refer to actions against sexual harassment, promoting women’s status, study and employment, army enlistment, and the like. These actions are usually carried out by modern Haredim, and so they are perceived as non-Haredi and meet with fierce resistance from the society and its leadership. And of course they are undertaken entirely to repair Haredi society, not to improve the general situation in the state (even enlistment is usually aimed at improving the Haredi situation, not contributing to the army—see where they direct the recruits). Thus the Haredi character is certainly preserved even there.
I experience this up close in “The Third Path,” which seeks to connect Haredim with religious-Zionists. Time and again it becomes clear that the Haredi side does not speak the language of general social repair. At most it’s about repairing Haredi society, and mainly about advancing personal interests (like education and livelihood). Very few there speak the language of contribution to society, or broader repair, or even repair of Judaism. Until now I attributed this to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs: the more a person is in hardship, the less he engages in repairing the world. He is preoccupied with his interests and personal life, and has no mental bandwidth to engage the wider world. It is well-known that repairing the world is a luxury reserved for those whose lives are decent or better. Haredim face severe hardships, so it’s no wonder they don’t engage in repair. That’s true, of course, but I think it’s not the whole picture. In the background stands the Haredi trait I described here: the Haredi focus is not on society and the world but on the private and the personal—on interests, not ideals.
Many times I’ve written that Haredim are a highly non-ideological group. They don’t act according to articulated values, and their pragmatic flexibility can be astonishing. Principles of faith can in a moment turn to nonsense (“orva parach”)—I have given examples like participating in government and coalition, women on religious councils, and the like. By the way, this gives hope also regarding the draft: if there are sanctions and a need arises, permits and ways will quickly be found to bypass the absolute principles we received from “our rock-solid sages.” If you compare this with religious-Zionism, there you find a highly ideological and inflexible society. Its Hardal avant-garde gauges every step and statement through very strict ideological lenses. The gravest offense, in their eyes, is compromise or surrender of principles. The halakhic compromises that exist in wide parts of it exist less in its ideology and social conduct. For the record: I must add that pragmatism, in my view, is not a flaw. It certainly has positive sides, and just so, lack of flexibility is not necessarily a virtue. Here I am only describing, not judging.
Social Characteristics
Above I presented several traits of Haredi society, but I claimed they cannot define Haredi-ness, since this is not ideology but social features. Now I’d like to explain them in light of the ideological description I have given so far. If it succeeds in explaining the social traits, then sociology can attest to essence.
I’ll start with Haredi conservatism. Conservatism is preserving the status quo and not striving for change and improvement. Again, this can be taken as blind faith in the superiority of existing Haredi principles and ideals (as noted, attempting to change principles is “heresy in a principle”). But in my opinion there’s something more: such change is “repairing the world,” and we don’t engage in repairing the world but in optimal survival so as to reach the light at the end. A society that does not engage in repairing the world will be a conservative society. Repairing society is by nature change. Avant-gardes who repair the world make revolutions and act against conservatism. Modernity usually comes with revolutionism. I’ll say more: Haredim can repair the world (or individuals in it) in the sense of correcting deviations from principles and returning to a more perfect state—that is, one that conforms to the principles. This is erasing deviations and restoring the previous state. They will never repair the principles themselves. In other words, “repairing the world” is fixing defects relative to the perfect, utopian model we already possess. There is no searching for other, better utopias. There are breaches in modesty that ruin the world, and so movements and campaigns will be set up to improve the situation. The aim is saving everyone’s next world—but nothing about this world. No one will entertain examining Haredi principles of modesty and separation and ask whether perhaps it is right to adjust them in the new circumstances. Again, I am not judging or saying such adjustment is necessary; I’m only pointing to the fact that you won’t find processes of repair and change in substantial senses there.
I already mentioned the refusal to take risks for the sake of advancing society and the world. Such risk might harm my next world, and when the counterweight is only change and repair in this world—there’s nothing to discuss. Hence children who might “corrupt” our pure students will not be accepted into our institutions—even if that throws hundreds of thousands of children into what we consider a fundamentally flawed education. But the corruption of our children endangers their next world. So what are we even here for?! Think about the value of integration in the religious-Zionist and general worlds, and you’ll see it does not exist at all in the Haredi world. The individual and his spiritual goals (or spiritual survival) stand at the center and push away any general view of repairing and contributing to the world.
This is the essence of the “Noah’s Ark” approach. The world as a whole is a set of challenges we must guard against. Certainly we will not accept or promote social values. At most we promote commandments and their observance—despite the world, not for it. In the Haredi conception, the world is a flood against which our main task is defense, not repair. The Hasidim, who originally were hardly Haredi but today already are (I have written more than once that today religious-Zionism is the only true Hasidism—perhaps apart from groups on the margins of the Hasidic establishment, like Chabad and Breslov), bring here the distinction between Noah and Abraham. Think about a group of people in a cold room. Noah puts on a fur coat and saves himself from the cold; Abraham lights a stove that warms everyone.
My mother—may she live—used to chuckle at the Sabbath piyyut that speaks of “swans and quail and fish.” People sing it with closed eyes in longing of the soul—while the object of longing is to eat swans and fish. Doesn’t sound like especially spiritual aspirations, does it? Is that the spiritual peak of the holy Sabbath? The Hasidim will explain that this is “repairing the material,” turning it into a spiritual value. On Shabbat even enjoying delicacies is a spiritual value. But the Litvaks just long for a bit of relief from the hardships of daily life. There is yet another possibility: perhaps, quite apart from spirituality, it is permissible also to want to enjoy the world a bit?! The world was made for our use; it is not inherently suspect. We are not here only to defend ourselves against it and create bubble alternatives to it.
Lives of poverty and economic and social hardship are not perceived merely as a necessity in Haredi society. In my view it’s not only willingness to pay a price for the truth—though that, too, exists. There is a glorification of withdrawal from the world. Poverty and hardship are an ideal, since they separate from the world (not to mention that they give the leadership control over the public). Pleasure-seeking lives are not suspect because pleasure-seeking is problematic, but because of the lack of separation from the world. These are two different readings of the saying: “Such is the way of Torah: eat bread with salt, drink scant water, and toil in Torah….” Is this the price one must pay for the sake of truth, or does the way of Torah demand withdrawal from the world—its values, its pleasures, and in fact from everything in it. Even printing the Talmud or Torah in a different format (like Steinsaltz) is condemned as deviating from the way of our fathers. That is the influence of the outside world—Heaven forfend; we must preserve the pure cruse of oil against the world.
In column 680 I noted the duality that exists in Haredi society. People can be convinced of some idea and at the same time act differently. Thus, for example, they know that “Gedolei HaDor” (the “great ones of the generation”) are the appointment of Yated Ne’eman’s clerks, that they are manipulated by operators, and that they have no idea what they speak of so decisively—yet they still obey them and see in them the certified representatives of God. Common sense and “the world” are the counsel of the evil inclination. “Torah” is something supposed to be detached from the world and, preferably, quite illogical and oppositional to everything we think. As is known: “The layman’s view is the very opposite of the Torah’s view.” They know that “kosher phones” are mainly a financial matter, but that doesn’t change their status as a biblical “Thou shalt not” and a central Haredi article of faith (at least in public). They want livelihood and education and integration into the world, but see all this as the counsel of the evil inclination. The reason is that it is perceived as something that comes from “the world” and therefore, by definition, contradicts “the Torah’s view” and Torah itself. It’s too rational to be kosher (too good to be KOSHER).
Likewise they understand internally that morality is important—as every person does—but their faith basically tells them it’s a secular-Reform thing we must suppress and ignore. In the “ben-Torah” world there is only halakhah. There is also “mussar” (in the yeshivish sense), which is about spiritual and halakhic advancement, but not “morality” (ethics). Sometimes these overlap when moral principles find expression in halakhah, but that’s primarily because of the halakhah, not because of the morality. Morality and democracy are counsel of the evil inclination—both because they come from outside, and mainly because they come to repair the world and society, especially if they come with personal costs (my next world may be harmed). It is thus a religious duty to ignore them and brutally suppress pangs of conscience. I think only this way can the shocking callousness and indifference to sharing the burden—and the grievous, fundamental failure to understand the distress of their surroundings—be created in the Haredi world. There is fear of “corruption,” and that overrides the entire Torah. Let others—whose lives in any case are worth nothing—die for us.
In the Haredi bubble of separation there are no captives and no slain, and certainly no fallen soldiers; thus the isolation reinforces itself. Because of it they truly do not feel what happens around them—but that is the point. Noah’s Ark protects us from the world and its influences. From here can also come the great indifference to the world. The Haredim’s concern is to ensure that each one reaches the next world whole and without risks—even if that happens sooner than expected with the help of our neighbors. And if necessary, let the world go to hell (unless the services the world provides them start to be harmed, like funding, etc.). A tax on sugary drinks and bottles, and on disposable tableware that pollutes the environment—their entire meaning, in their eyes, is a desire to harm Haredi society. They do not even know the discourse of repairing the world and improving its state: environmental quality, climate problems, and not even long-term health questions. Their long term is the next world. Medical issues are handled in the immediate term only when they arise in practice, since there is no long-term thinking. Therefore there is no permit for autopsies or paving roads, since all these harm an immediate religious value and are done for long-term benefits. Once again, it’s not only Maslow’s pyramid that causes the focus on the immediate. There is an ideology and a principled conception here. In their eyes, morality and the duty to share the social burden and to care for repairing and improving the world are the counsel of the evil inclination and Western culture. We are supposed to survive here and reach the next world without “corruption.” That’s all.
Summary: “People of This World” and “People of the World to Come”
I think the picture I have drawn here gives a substantive meaning to Haredi-ness. There is a worldview here, not just sociology. The sociology is the outcome of a conception and ideology. A Haredi is one who sees himself as a “person of the World to Come,” and for whom this world is only a corridor that must be traversed safely to survive to the next stage. A national-religious person is a “person of this world,” who sees his main role in repairing this world and the World to Come as a bonus that will come at the end (or not). The other features are largely the result of this difference.
It is important to note that this difference unites all Haredi groups on the one hand and all non-Haredi groups on the other. Here you won’t find a Haredi-Hardal connection. The Hardalim are entirely on the non-Haredi side of the equation, since they are even more ideological and more world-repairing (according to their concepts) than modern religious-Zionists (whose notion of repairing the world is different, but who still believe in “repairing the world” as a basic religious mission). Hardalim too do not talk about the next world, but about repairing this world “in the kingdom of the Almighty.”
To conclude, I must reiterate an important point. I have harsh criticism of Haredi-ness, but this column focused on description, not judgment. It is only diagnostic. To sharpen this, I’ll bring the Rambam’s words at the start of chapter 10 of Hilkhot Teshuvah:
1. A person should not say: “I will do the commandments of the Torah and engage in its wisdom in order that I receive all the blessings written in it, or in order that I merit life in the World to Come; and I will separate from the transgressions from which the Torah warned in order to be saved from the curses written in the Torah or so that I not be cut off from life in the World to Come.” It is not fitting to serve God in this manner; one who serves thus serves out of fear, and this is not the level of the prophets nor the level of the sages. None serve God in this way except the ignorant, women, and children, whom one trains to serve out of fear until their knowledge increases and they serve out of love.
2. One who serves out of love engages in Torah and commandments and walks in paths of wisdom not because of anything in the world and not out of fear of evil and not in order to inherit the good; rather, he does the truth because it is true, and the good will follow as a result. This level is very great and not every sage merits it; it is the level of Abraham our father, whom the Holy One called “My beloved,” for he served only out of love. And it is the level to which the Holy One commanded us through Moses, as it is said: “You shall love the Lord your God.” When a person will love God with the proper love, he will immediately do all the commandments out of love.
One could take my words to imply that halakhah 1 describes the Haredim and halakhah 2 the religious-Zionists—but that’s not it. This is not a contrast between serving for its own sake and serving not for its own sake. The difference between Haredim and religious-Zionists lies in two different conceptions of “for its own sake” itself: Haredim understand serving God as standing before God with the rest of the world being a Ringo course. Humanity and the entire universe are just a cast of extras whose role is to create challenges for me so that I reach the next world whole. The spiritual solipsism that characterizes Haredi-ness is a different conception of serving God and of the spiritual repair it demands—but it is not necessarily serving for reward. By contrast, non-Haredi religious Jews see serving God as something whose concern is building and repairing this world.
At the level of outcomes we will also find a correlation with serving “not for its own sake” on the Haredi side and with secularization on the religious-Zionist side. Among Haredim, service for the sake of reward is a natural (though not necessary) result, for if the next world is the focus and in this world I am in hardship, it follows that I will centralize the future results and bonuses I’ll receive. The next world is my consolation in poverty. If I’m required to suffer here, then let them promise me something in the future—a purpose to my toil. Among the religious-Zionists, usually it is service for its own sake, since for them the focus is repair of the world, not myself (of course one could aim at repairing the world so as to get maximal reward, but that is not as natural as on the Haredi side). Either way, this is an outcome of the difference, not the essential difference itself. There are Haredim who serve God devotedly “for Heaven’s sake,” whose entire concern is to please God and not to get reward. Yet they think the way to do so proceeds via a picture of spiritual solipsism. Conversely, clearly there are religious-Zionists who don’t cleave to repairing the world because they are weak, and there are those who do so in hope of reward. We’re all human. Still, religious-Zionism and modern religiosity posit that our mission is to repair the world. Moreover, from here one can also understand the greater secularization on the religious-Zionist side: if you are connected to the world and want its repair, and see in it your central concern, it is only natural that you drift toward moral values and liberalism (democracy), and from there you place halakhic-Torah (seemingly particularistic) values on the margins. That will not seem to you the important thing.
But all these are outcomes of the differences, not their essence. Here I compared the fundamental ideologies, not the behavioral patterns of this or that individual.
Ending with a Personal View: People of Two Worlds
Up to here I only described both sides, with occasional judgments in passing. My aim was diagnostic, not critique or judgment. But I feel a need to complete the picture with my own personal stance. Despite my criticism, I am not entirely on the religious-Zionist side on these matters. I feel myself in between the two conceptions. In my view, halakhah is not intended to repair the world. To my mind it also does not do so in practice. Commitment to halakhah is, to me, a “Haredi”-style commitment to obey God’s command and do things His way. In my view, what is beyond halakhah is not particular to Judaism and Torah but moral values that by definition are universal (there is no such thing as “Jewish morality”). I have often written that I also don’t think we learn them from the Torah. In these respects I belong to the Haredi side of the map.
But there is an important addition: in my view morality is not part of halakhah, but it is binding. God certainly expects us to behave morally and to repair the world. Not because there is a morality unique to us (otherwise the world would not accept it), but because we are human beings, and as part of humanity we are obligated to morality and to repairing the world and not only to observing halakhah—exactly like any gentile (no more and no less; in this sense I do not agree with religious-Zionists). On this matter we would do well to learn from the nations. In my eyes it is very important to repair air pollution and the climate, to advance morality in the world, to share the burden in Israel’s society, to pursue liberalism and democracy, and the like. But this is so even though, in my view, this is not a mitzvah in the narrow sense of that term.
Take, for example, the discourse that presents the draft as a commandment with sources and halakhic arguments. To me this is a distorted, twisted discourse. Sometimes I get the impression it’s done to address Haredim in their own language and try to persuade them there are halakhic obligations to fight. I have often explained that this is a matter of common-sense pikuach nefesh (saving life), not a “milchemet mitzvah” of “helping Israel from the hand of an oppressor” (see, for example, column 649). So on the one hand it is not a commandment, and on the other hand it is binding. And it would be equally binding were we in Belgium or Zimbabwe.
In short: I, too, think the world is not a Ringo course, and it was not created only so we separate from it and flee it. Humanity is not a cast of extras meant to challenge me, and when I do something for it, it’s not only to repair my spiritual world but mainly to benefit them (I will send gifts to the poor on their Purim and not on mine). The world was created so that we live it to the fullest—but along the halakhic path. Halakhah and Torah did not come to replace the world but to constitute an additional story above it. In this sense I feel on the religious-Zionist side of the map; but in my view that is not connected to halakhah and Torah but to our obligation as human beings (which, too, is the product of a divine command and demand).
The Haredi model advocates a single-story model: halakhah and Torah. The religious-Zionist model also advocates a single story: Torah and halakhah that include the universal values and the duty to repair the world. In contrast, I advocate a two-story model: on the first floor we are human beings, and as such we are fully “people of this world,” with all that entails. On the second, particularistic floor we are “people of the World to Come,” acting to fulfill God’s will without necessarily tying this to this- or-that social repair. Incidentally, repairs of “worlds” or spiritual dimensions of reality quite plausibly exist here (I have often written that the commandments were likely intended to achieve certain spiritual goals), but that can still be a conception of “repairing the world” (even if not socially) of “people of this world,” not merely the personal repair of “people of the next world.” In other words, for me this is true even on the second floor, not only on the first. In any case, it turns out I’ve met yet another issue on which I disagree with both sides of the dispute.
Discussion
Very interesting
The difference you describe between the national-religious and the Haredi worlds is very reminiscent of the essential difference between Hasidim and Mitnagdim, isn’t it? (In the sense of the importance of joy, giving religious meaning to material actions, etc.—what in Hasidism is called “the sanctity of nature”…)
A very interesting analysis,
The thing is that this was true when the Haredi public had figures (the great Torah sages of the generation) who really operated מתוך a defined system, and the public chose that path that was offered to it. Today, the young Haredi public (especially the youth) is not at all aware of the underlying assumptions from which everything began. (The leaders of the generation also aren’t really as sharp as they once were, etc.) Many of them live in deep frustration, except that they don’t have the ability to leave the society because of the high price that would require. Quite a few Haredi teenagers see soldiers their own age as commanders leading troops into battle and dying heroically, while they themselves can barely manage their daily routine.
A common sight today is Haredim (even young kollel men) enjoying what the world has to offer them (restaurants, cinema, etc.). Young couples (again, families of kollel men) no longer really ask rabbis about “family planning.” As for proficiency in halakhah and genuine lomdus—who even speaks of such things anymore?
This is a lost society that preserves itself mainly through social pressure and not through principles.
Indeed, very closely related. Thanks. (I didn’t remember the article when I wrote about it.)
There is a typo in the title of the article: “Prepare us for the coming of the Messiah and for the life of the World to Come” is written incorrectly (presumably the intention was “for the coming,” not the misspelled form).
An interesting analysis that I largely agree with.
A. If the wellspring of this society is the World to Come, why are explicit Torah prohibitions—among the gravest of the grave—trampled there so crudely, while social conventions invented a minute ago are treated as matters of martyrdom and absolute non-negotiability? After all, every such prohibition heats your oven in Gehinnom even more.
Therefore, as the commenter above me wrote, I think this society has long since reached a completely hedonistic and nihilistic stage.
Not enlisting in the army? Because I can.
Not working and living off others? Because I can.
And so on.
And anyone who thinks this would happen only in the State of Israel probably doesn’t know them—because even if you transferred all of them to Denmark, they would keep behaving in exactly the same way.
Fixed. Thanks.
You’re making things too easy for yourself. At its root, Haredism has conceptions. That rolls into all sorts of places. The need to preserve themselves from the world brings them to the hedonism you described, and also to distortions. But the basis is a worldview, not just plain hedonistic wickedness.
I agree that there are conceptions there, and I didn’t claim they were bad from the outset.
I think that right now the situation is that there are certainly people there for whom Torah really matters and who are genuinely afraid of modernity, but for many of them it’s long since become hedonism and extreme nihilism.
Life is comfortable, so why change?
And I’ll ask again: if the World to Come is so important to them, then why are explicit Torah prohibitions trampled there so crudely, while social conventions invented a minute ago are treated as matters of martyrdom and absolute non-negotiability?
And I’ll answer again that you’re making things too easy for yourself. It’s not that there were conceptions there. There are conceptions there. Specific people, of course, take that in all sorts of directions. What society is entirely consistent with its conceptions, with no individual deviating from them or acting in contradiction to them? The conceptions exist, and they lead to distortions. And regarding the prohibitions in question, either they dispute that this is in fact prohibited, or necessity excuses it, or it’s a transgression due to desires—like with all of us.
National-religious people are committed to halakhah, right? So why are there so many “lite” ones who are not observant?
I didn’t say there were conceptions there.
There still are, and there are people who really believe in them.
Broadly speaking, the analysis seems correct, also in comparison with things you wrote in the past (that there is no difference between Haredim and Hardalim, etc.).
But it seems to me inaccurate to say that Haredim don’t care about repairing this world. Haredim believe in divine providence over the individual and in reward and punishment in the simple biblical sense (“If you walk in My statutes,” etc.), and therefore they think that not only reward in the World to Come, but also our condition in this world depends mainly on how well we keep Torah and mitzvot, and less on practical effort. Therefore, in their view, that is the main thing one should invest in, even from the standpoint of repairing this world. And since nowadays there is a strong drift in the secular direction, it is hard to maintain a community of seriously observant people without separatism, conservatism, and even parasitism, and they think this is justified despite all the practical and moral costs, because in the end it serves the good of the entire people of Israel (including the secular). I think that after you peel away all the demagoguery, this is roughly the outlook that emerges. One can of course disagree with this outlook, but one cannot say that it is selfish or uncaring.
I didn’t say it was selfishness. On the contrary, I explained that it isn’t.
But notice that even if the mitzvot repair the world, the repair is done from above as a divine response to our deeds. Haredim still think that we are not supposed to repair the world, but rather to carry out what is incumbent upon us. That is my claim.
And there is the well-known story of that Torah scholar who saw a dwarf walking in the public domain, lifted him into the air, and loudly recited, with God’s name and kingship, the blessing: “Blessed is He who makes creatures different.”
For this miserable dwarf is, quite literally, an object of mitzvah.
And this is a bit like our rabbi’s words, that those who tremble at the word of God see this world only as the entrance hall and corridor to the place where we shall sit with crowns on our heads and delight in the radiance of a utopia.
In the corridor, not only must we behave opportunistically and make it past the obstacles to the longed-for Garden of Eden, but the obstacles are precisely what will place us in a better position in the World to Come, at the table of honor.
So why repair the world? The more broken the world is, and the more full of hurdles, the greater the reward. “According to the pain is the reward.”
Except that sometimes the Haredi establishment fears that perhaps we really won’t succeed in coping, and here the great sages of the generation, who see the danger with their crystal eyes, come to save their flock and make a safeguard for a safeguard, for your own good. Sometimes instead of repairing the world, they just make things much worse for the other side so that it stays balanced.
May we merit, etc.
The two-story model really resonates with what the Kuzari writes, in my opinion. But he argues that the second story cannot contradict the logic of the first story. What do you think about that?
The lives of Haredim (most of them) are not comfortable at all. They are very hard.
Anyone can tell himself stories—the “catch the thief” method
works.
Are you speaking about the five levels (inanimate, vegetative, animate, speaking, and prophet)? Usually he is seen as a source for the one-story conception: a Jew is not a Gentile plus something, but a new kind of creature. But that is just semantics.
Regarding the tax on disposable utensils, our rabbi wrote:
Taxation on sweet drinks and bottles and on disposable utensils that pollute the environment is, from their point of view, entirely about a desire to harm Haredi society. They do not recognize at all the discourse of repairing the world and improving its condition. Taxation on sweet drinks and bottles and on disposable utensils that pollute the environment is, from their point of view, entirely about a desire to harm Haredi society. They do not recognize at all the discourse of repairing the world and improving its condition.
I do not suspect Liberman of having “the good of the environment” before his eyes. Fair enough—if he had imposed a tax on all polluters according to some criterion. For example, air pollution by cars—a tax on fuel. There is a high tax on fuel for cars—
but there is no tax on airplane fuel (that would make flights more expensive—mainly for non-Haredim).
Another major environmental polluter is low-density detached housing—a huge waste of space (including access roads and long drives).
If such a tax had been imposed—or if people had at least talked about it—then one could believe it.
These suspicions are standard Haredi propaganda. These are common laws in many countries. Deri himself wanted to reverse the repeal after a government with the Haredim was elected, and only Gafni stopped him (because everything the wicked did must be repealed). Besides, Liberman’s motives are irrelevant. If the law is good, why should I care about the motives?!
Not the main topic of the article, but thank you for mentioning the Conservative movement as one of the halakhic streams—it’s not something taken for granted in other halakhic circles.
(I really wondered why Conservative rabbis such as Rabbi David Golinkin are not invited to join the Third Path movement; it seems quite natural when trying to unite moderate halakhically committed people…)
In the course of your remarks you wrote that you support bringing people to repentance.
I am astonished at you—why? What do you gain from that? What tikkun olam is there in it?
Why not let everyone conduct himself according to his own worldview?
I don’t understand this strange question. If I think it is correct to live according to halakhah, and that someone who does not do so is mistaken and causing harm, isn’t it obvious that I would try to bring him to repentance? Both for his sake, and for ours, and for the sake of the Holy One, blessed be He. To let everyone act according to his own outlook means that I don’t think he is mistaken or that one ought to act differently. In effect, it means there are no outlooks and everyone just does whatever they feel like. The use of the term “outlook” here is empty of content. It is just empty pluralism. Stupid, even if very common in our circles.
The two-story approach can be summed up in one sentence:
“Worldly conduct precedes Torah.”
That is a possible interpretation of that sentence, but not a necessary or agreed-upon one.
By and large there is a nice analysis here. I would like to linger on a basic methodological problem that may pull the rug out from under the central argument.
The problem: turning one’s back on a universal moral foundation undermines the specific value sought (attaining the World to Come). This is especially striking for a believing, insular society, which should have seen the universal command as a “divine” condition that allows one to add particular values on top of it as well (in this case, Jewish values).
Haredi society, generally speaking, does not see this.
Note that I am not talking about dissonance at the individual level between a value and its realization. I am talking about a dissonance inherent in the value system itself.
The result: a confused worldview in which the Haredi person is supposed both to believe and not believe at the same time in the centrality of the World to Come.
Or, more pictorially: according to the Haredi approach, what is guaranteed to them is not the World to Come but Gehinnom. And this without ruling on whether in practice that will indeed be their reward (I have not yet been definitively updated on this minor detail, but my heart tells me that now is not the right time to become Haredi).
I left out the conclusion… and therefore the substantive (theological) explanation collapses. After all, the Haredim cannot act according to it, because on their own terms it is meaningless. It says one thing and its opposite. What remains is a materialist explanation.
Rabbi Michael,
You wrote:
What sane person wants the state that nurses him or protects him to be destroyed or go bankrupt
And from the negative you may infer the positive.
Indeed.
The Jew is indeed a Gentile plus something, except that the plus-something—that is, the second story—changes the first story, and what emerges is a one-story building that is twice as tall as the one-story building of the Gentile. This phenomenon, by the way, appears in various fields of science.
The title “those who tremble at the word of God” says it all—Haredim tremble not before the Holy One, blessed be He, but before the Torah. In the sense of: “The Holy One, blessed be He, has nothing in His world but the four cubits of halakhah” as an ideal.
“ One must show the way to enter the palace—through the gate. The gate is the divinity revealed in the world, in the world in all its beauty and splendor, in every spirit and soul, in every living thing and creeping creature, in every plant and flower, in every nation and kingdom, in the sea and its waves, in the mists of the sky and the glory of the luminaries, in the talents of every discourse, in the ideas of every writer, in the imaginings of every poet and the reflections of every thinker, in the feeling of every sentient person and in the storm of heroism of every hero…”
(Rabbi A. I. Kook, Orot)
I didn’t understand.
It’s a play on words. The Torah is the expression of His will.
I think Haredism is first and foremost a sociological phenomenon, not a “value-based” one. The central value that, according to your view, guides its life (the World to Come) is not compatible with its overall worldview, which rejects the universal basic foundation of morality. Hence they do not really believe in their declared value; hence something else is driving them (the sociological forces).
Chinese.
One can also add that national-religious people study far more the plain meaning of Tanakh, which as is well known is connected mainly to this world and not the next. The correlation is significant (though one can debate the causality and its direction).
What is the implication of this distinction for the Third Path? Seemingly until now you divided Haredi society into modernists and conservatives, and called on the modernists to join the Third Path. Are you now claiming that even the modern Haredim divide into two groups: people of the World to Come and people of this world, and calling on the latter among them to join?
As I wrote in the WhatsApp group, this indeed has implications for the Third Path. In short, I understand that the modern Haredim and the modern national-religious are not in fact the same sector. They have shared goals and positions on the practical plane, but we should not expect unification—mainly practical cooperation. It is not for nothing that again and again we get the impression that the Haredim among us are not acting to repair the world, but at most the Haredi society. And even there it is in order to create better conditions for survival (livelihood and education, dealing with those who struggle and with problematic phenomena, and the like), and not really to change the essences of Haredi conceptions. Therefore the Mamlachti-Haredi education track also operates within the framework of Haredi values, and the figures it educates toward are the great Haredi Torah sages, and even the ideal models are Haredi models. It only wants to open up more options to relieve pressure for those who are not suited to standard Haredi education (my impression is that the general atmosphere there is that they agree this is a second-rate model; they only call for its recognition). That is probably part of what prevents it from taking off, for its role models oppose it, and its aspiration to belong to the Haredi world forces it not to ignore them and not to come out against them. This also causes the Haredi leadership to oppose it, because it is perceived as internal subversion and not as a non-Haredi alternative.
Therefore I still call on them to join, but now I understand that this is cooperation between different groups, not a merger or a joining into one identity. A third path, not a third identity.
It requires further consideration that in the Center and its offshoots they encouraged the study of Mesillat Yesharim. And on the other hand, you nicely clarified the saying that in Brisk one’s fellow man is the object of the mitzvot between man and his fellow.
And one can find a similar approach in Rabbi Abraham ben HaRambam’s commentary on the Torah, in Parashat Yitro on the verse “Listen to my voice, I will advise you,” and on Moses’ refusal to accept the mission to Egypt. Perhaps he is continuing his father’s words in the last chapter of Guide of the Perplexed.
1. You yourself in this column, apparently following Rabbi Navon, changed your own position and thought that perhaps it is right to understand the Haredi phenomenon not only as the result of sociological processes, but also (and perhaps mainly) as driven by ideology or “values.”
2. The value you propose placing at the center of this ideology is a life focused on attaining the World to Come.
3. It is impossible to be committed to any values whatsoever without positing a universal value base. Especially when we are talking about a believing society that believes God granted this base to all of us human beings.
4. The Haredim, according to your words, turn their backs on this base. They have only “one story.”
5. Intermediate conclusion: on their own terms they cannot place any value at the center of life (not even the World to Come).
6. Final conclusion: in this matter they are not motivated by the value of life in the World to Come but by other forces (sociological ones).
I didn’t understand this pilpul. They do accept the value base of some kind of commitment, but it includes only an aspiration for life in the World to Come.
What you are saying here does not fit with your own analysis of what you called “the second story” (and the only one) that the Haredim hold. On their view, universal (“moral”) considerations are irrelevant, and therefore they try to build the second story (the particular religious one) “in the air.” You should have concluded from this that they themselves thwart their own pretension to value discourse and to a value-based explanation of their behavior.
This is true not only of Haredim, of course, but of anyone who turns his back on the universal foundational story.
It certainly does fit. The explanation of their behavior is that there is a fundamental value, and it is to merit an optimal World to Come. Values, by virtue of being values, do not themselves have explanations. You, too, have no explanation for your values. You can also ask what explanation can be offered for moral obligation, since that explanation itself cannot be part of morality. So then there is no explanation? Or perhaps no explanation is needed?
What? No one denies that there is an end to the chain of explanations in morality. The question is where one places that “end.” Your answer in the context of the Haredim was that they place it in the second, particular story and in effect turn their backs on the universal moral story (the first). From this it follows that, according to your words, they cannot maintain the foundation required for any particular value (including the value of the World to Come).
Did you not understand the parable of the stories that you brought and its role?
Apparently I didn’t understand. 🙂
While you criticize (and not merely describe) the fact that Haredim have no desire to defend their state (or do not think or understand that they ought to have such a desire), as a Belgian citizen is supposed to want (and simply ought) to defend his state regardless of Torah commandments—go show me a country in the world that would behave with such madness as to endanger its soldiers in order not to harm the civilians of an enemy state that is actively and explicitly fighting it by targeting civilians. No country in the world has done that or would do that. Only the Israeli left forces Jews, because of its “repairing the world,” to behave this way. Not that I think if we were fighting normally then the Haredim would indeed develop such a desire, but I am sure there is a causal connection (a double one, that is, two-sided) between the two anomalies. That is, I do believe that in a mystical way the Haredim would become more normal (and therefore less Haredi) if the leftists became more normal and less fanatical in their crazy religion. And vice versa.
Don’t worry—the great Haredi leaders would say that they are not prepared to take part in the cruelty of the secularists, especially since this is rebellion against the nations.
For precision’s sake, a correction:
Don’t worry—the great Haredi leaders would say that they are not prepared to take part in the cruelty of the secularists, especially since this is rebellion against the nations.
As a Haredi person, I must admit that you touched on a strong point, though of course not everything is black or white.
It is interesting to bring in here the well-known figure of Rabbi Leibel Minzberg, who, with revolutionary ideas, in fact fought against the classical conception. Many of the debates regarding Haredism stem from a fundamental difference in approach to this world. Rabbi Leib clearly argued: paradise is here and now, if only we love and preserve (“to work it and to guard it”—here in this world) the world. This approach places the world not merely as a transition to the next world, but as a place for repair and elevation…
In addition, Rabbi Leib fought against conceptions such as that of Mesillat Yesharim, which claims that life in this world is only a test we must pass in order to reach the World to Come. He stressed that the work of repairing the physical world—turning it into a place fit for life—is essential, and in this he poses a clear challenge to those who prefer to focus only on securing the World to Come.
In my opinion, Rabbi Leib’s struggle is a call for concrete action here and now, to see the world as a real task of repair and to give expression to Torah principles on the physical plane. This is very similar to the approach of the religious public—an approach that does not compromise on halakhic commitment alone, but also demands active engagement with the challenges of reality. Just as the religious public recognizes the importance of repairing the world, so Rabbi Leib calls on us to act here and now, in order to restore the world to the level it ought to have.
Regards,
Shlomi from Belgium
Very interesting. Could you please give a few examples of what Rabbi Leib or his students did to repair the physical world? I assume the intention is not merely to emphasize the importance of relations between man and his fellow man (to be kind and pleasant), but something beyond that.
Thank you for your question. Unfortunately, I do not have specific examples of the practical actions of Rabbi Leib Minzberg and his students…
Rabbi Leib Minzberg did not officially belong to any particular community, but his thought and unique path had a great influence.
The publication by his students of the book Peshuto Shel Mikra, which emphasizes a direct reading of the Tanakh, enjoyed tremendous success, selling tens of thousands of copies. At the same time, the book caused an uproar in the Haredi public, since Rabbi Minzberg’s approach departs from what is accepted in conservative circles, where the straightforward study of Scripture is considered a sensitive and even controversial matter.
His approach recalls the activity of study halls such as Beit Midrash HaGra, which emphasize learning Torah in its plain sense, with the aim of connecting Torah principles to everyday reality. Although there are not many concrete examples, it is clear that Rabbi Leib Minzberg’s ideas—and especially his approach through Peshuto Shel Mikra—were intended to revive the physical world through a deep connection to Torah.
For more information on Rabbi Leib Minzberg and his personality:
🔗 An article on Rabbi Leib Minzberg – https://tinyurl.com/2txwhmn2
🔗 Information on Beit Midrash HaGra – https://tinyurl.com/rsxxmjhn
Thank you for your question. Unfortunately, I do not have specific examples of the practical actions of Rabbi Leib Minzberg and his students…
Rabbi Leib Minzberg did not officially belong to any particular community, but his thought and unique path had a great influence.
The publication by his students of the book Peshuto Shel Mikra, which emphasizes a direct reading of the Tanakh, enjoyed tremendous success, selling tens of thousands of copies. At the same time, the book caused an uproar in the Haredi public, since Rabbi Minzberg’s approach departs from what is accepted in conservative circles, where the straightforward study of Scripture is considered a sensitive and even controversial matter.
His approach recalls the activity of study halls such as Beit Midrash HaGra, which emphasize learning Torah in its plain sense, with the aim of connecting Torah principles to everyday reality. Although there are not many concrete examples, it is clear that Rabbi Leib Minzberg’s ideas—and especially his approach through Peshuto Shel Mikra—were intended to revive the physical world through a deep connection to Torah.
For more information on Rabbi Leib Minzberg and his personality:
🔗 An article on Rabbi Leib Minzberg – https://tinyurl.com/2txwhmn2
🔗 Information on Beit Midrash HaGra – https://tinyurl.com/rsxxmjhn
Nice.
1. In your next column you should address where the Haredim’s mistake lies in thinking that the main thing is not to be corrupted (“greater is he who causes another to sin,” etc.)… in a way that they too will logically understand their mistake.
2. In my view they do look at it as two stories, but they are always on the first story and occupied with it, while the second story is a very distant bonus that will come more from the divine side than from our side (“all the inhabitants of the world will recognize and know,” etc.; everyone will have 613 servants, and so on)…
3. Your explanation contains within it the connection between those who are “deprived by the state,” like part of the right in Israel, and those who oppose science because they felt they didn’t belong, etc., and the Haredim… I’d be glad if you elaborated on that.
A sharp column [in the sense of subtle and incisive]. Thank you.
I would define the two conceptions as: activism and action—this world, as opposed to passivity and futile waiting—the World to Come.
There is also a nice Haredi joke about this [in my opinion], which neatly captures the Haredi view on the matter, about Mushke the peasant and the dog: once Mushke asked the landowner for an extension to pay his debt, and when his son asked what he would gain from this, since even with more time he would not get the money, he answered that by then either the landowner will die, or the dog will die, or he himself will die…
Indeed, the Haredim have no defined view of how to arrange their relations with the state [which they too understand are catastrophic], but they hold that they only need to keep dragging things along until the Messiah comes.
And if I may ask—do the relations between the national-religious and the Haredim in the Third Path reach the point of rupture, or do they manage to go together? Many thanks.
It’s still too early to tell. There’s both this and that.
Will you amend or rewrite the manifesto?
A second edition? It doesn’t seem that this change is all that substantial. The call and the connection remain as they were.
Someone beat you to it a bit, of course not in scope or depth.
https://forums.bhol.co.il/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=2964262&whichpage=4#R_4
Indeed. Interesting who that was?… 🙂
By the way, I actually think that in this matter the Hardalim are entirely on the non-Haredi side. They are not in the middle.
In this matter, yes—but not in other matters, as explained there.
It definitely feels like you’ve hit on a significant point. An anecdote on the matter: before I donated a kidney, I met with a psychiatrist as part of the process. He asked me why I wanted to donate, and I answered with “national-religious”-style answers—wanting to help, etc. He asked, what about the mitzvah, and said that when he was in the U.S. and asked that question, many people there raised the issue of mitzvah, whereas here in Israel people almost never answer him that way. (He thought maybe it was connected to the debate over whether there is such a thing as a non-obligatory existential mitzvah, on the assumption that it is obvious this is not an obligation upon the person, and people in Israel and in the Diaspora follow their respective approaches.) It may also be connected to the donor’s fear that they won’t let him donate if he says he is doing it as a mitzvah (because the system will think he feels obligated), but in my opinion it is mainly connected to the point made in the column.
Fascinating.
And of course, more power to you for the noble donation. (A great mitzvah. 🙂 )
It should be noted (and I heard this in the past from Rabbi Tamir Granot) that there are also two different conceptions of divinity here: a God who is also a man of war and battle, and who governs the whole world, versus a God who is mainly occupied with reward for the righteous and punishment for the wicked, and similar things.
And another point—your words indeed make clear why national-religious people enjoy the study of Tanakh, which is full of earthly and even universal chapters, whereas Haredim are very wary of it.
I think the Haredim too believe that He governs the world. They share that mistake as well.
And enough said….
As I understand it, the Hazon Ish’s book Faith and Trust is intended to construct an alternative figure of the heroic man—the hero who is meticulous in exacting law despite the mockery of his surroundings.
Hello to the wise and incisive one, our guide in the ways of reason.
I must note that even after distinguishing between the similarities and differences between your words and Rabbi Zvi Yehuda’s old remarks that the Haredim have no “Klal Yisrael” but only the individual—essentially, he preceded you. You yourself wrote that you were surprised to discover that even among your Haredi friends in the Third Path, the concern is at most the repair and cultivation of Haredi society. Since you ended on a personal note about yourself, and it was important to you to note—and seemingly to prove—that you are neither here nor there, from my perspective you are a Mizrachi type from the outset, with radical characteristics in certain areas. (That’s great.)
There is an interesting podcast, “On Meaning,” in which Rabbi Guy Elalouf says similar and of course different things: “The claim that Haredim will enlist if the army becomes Haredi is false” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ5d8rrFqLY&t=29s
According to this, are Breslov and Chabad (and perhaps additional groups of Hasidim) not Haredi?
They certainly are, but with a somewhat different shade. Breslov definitely, and Chabad a bit less so (because they do try to repair the world).
Thank you for the column. It seems that you did indeed succeed in identifying the point of the Haredi conception. Perhaps one can also add at the root of the conception (or as a result of it) something very general but seemingly quite noticeable: the Haredim do not see the mitzvot as actions that have a purpose and effect a real change in the world. The mitzvot are meant solely for my personal service of God (and perhaps even more: to test how God-fearing I am), but they have no content in themselves and no relation, purpose, or action in the world. These concepts are very foreign to them.
And perhaps as a result of this, once there is no content and “richness” in the deeds themselves, then the turn toward reward and punishment as a very central component of the whole consciousness is quick and almost inevitable.
By the way, Chabad are really not Haredi when one of their foundational sayings is the rabbinic statement: “The Holy One, blessed be He, desired to have a dwelling in the lower realms.”
A housewife came to throw out the fish left over from Shabbat that had spoiled. Her Litvak husband said to her: why throw it out? We’ll give it to the neighbors and fulfill the mitzvah of charity. He gave it to the neighbor; the neighbor ate it and got food poisoning, so he went to visit him. The condition worsened and the neighbor died, and of course he attended the funeral. Returning from comforting the mourners, he said to his wife: You see, you wanted to throw the fish in the garbage, and in the end we fulfilled four mitzvot with it: charity, visiting the sick, escorting the dead, and comforting mourners.
Nice. I liked the joke. Very true.
It is very upsetting to see an intellectual like you choosing to promote foolish stereotypes. I started reading and stopped at the story about the kollel man and gifts to the poor. Really? Is that the level??
The same goes for the insipid joke above me. There may perhaps be a slight tendency like this among the Brisker public and its offshoots, because of the many stringencies and all the rest, and even that only at the level of stereotype. In practice, you cannot put everyone under one umbrella. Not to mention that under the title “Haredi” you include Hasidim, Sephardim, and Lithuanians alike, each of whom has a completely different conception. But to say that “Haredim” observe mitzvot only as an external act? That the deeds have no content? Is that how you see my mitzvah observance and that of my friends? Why, and on what basis? This is nothing more than baseless slander and generalization. It is as if I were to write an article saying that for the national-religious public, Torah and mitzvah observance are only folklore. Would anyone take that seriously?
It seems to me that my next stereotype is that Haredim have a serious problem with reading comprehension.
That is so accurate!!!
Since we’re already talking about stories, what happens when there is a contradiction between the stories? The rabbi once wrote (if I remember correctly) that when there is a contradiction between the divine value system and the system of human morality, there is no clear answer and each person will have to decide according to his own understanding.
The great dispute between the legislative branch and the judicial branch makes clear how important it is that there be one agreed-upon authority at the top of the value pyramid from the outset.
In your opinion, what went through Abraham’s mind when he obeyed the command of the binding of Isaac? How did he justify to himself obeying the value of listening to God as against the simple morality that forbids slaughtering your innocent son?
I didn’t understand the connection to this question. What stories? Where does this appear here? And the binding of Isaac? The dispute between the branches?
By the way, if there is anything that this dispute makes clear, it is דווקא how wrong it is to place one person or one body at the top of the pyramid.
I was very interested in what you wrote about the three principles that distinguish the Haredi public. So regarding the first and second principles, about “reward” and “Messiah,” those are indeed interesting differences that there is real room to discuss. But what you wrote about the principle of “resurrection of the dead” sounds very strange to me. As someone who knows the Haredi public well, I have never encountered any aversion, even slight, to that concept. On the contrary, I see it this way—the Haredim see the entire messianic process, including resurrection of the dead, as among the most perfect things possible, because they are raised on the idea that this is the perfection of perfection. And as for your claims that they see life in this world as not necessarily a good thing—after all, they know that when they rise in the resurrection of the dead, they will rise into a perfect world with the Messiah and the Temple, and those are precisely the lives they do see as perfect and good, and not as a corridor one merely passes through. Indeed, when they tell their children about “that time when everything will be good,” they do not tell them “there will be a day when we won’t live”; on the contrary, they tell them about “the day when all of us will live and everything will be good, everyone including all the grandparents and the righteous”—that is the ultimate object of their desire, longing, and faith. So I’d be glad for your response on this matter; perhaps at least bring some proof for your claim.
P.S.
I’d be glad to hear your opinion about the phenomenon called “the Karlin Rebbe,” in whom one can discern openness that breaks boundaries relative to the natural environment of Hasidic courts of this kind; and also whether this is a phenomenon that will open some new door in the Haredi public, or whether it is something isolated that does not reflect a broader social process.
I explained there how the Haredim nevertheless digest this. As long as it is very different from our world, one can yearn for it. That too is a kind of escape from the world. Of course I did not mean to say that Haredim do not want to live and long to die. Every person has the desire to live. I am speaking about ideology, not psychology.
I have no idea. I haven’t heard of it and don’t know it.
This is a nice distinction, but I don’t think it is what defines the Haredim. At most, all this is part of a more exhaustive definition of the Haredim, namely that they have a very realistic and pragmatic world (how they actually behave, not what they believe), and consequently they do not get into questions of utopian repair and all kinds of visions. In general the Haredim are very cynical and tend to disbelieve everything, as opposed to the national-religious / Hardal public, which has built for itself an entire theology regarding every detail that happens in the world, and everything is part of a divine redemptive process, etc., etc. (The one who mainly brought this was Rabbi Kook and his son, of blessed memory.) Famous is the story about Rabbi Herzog and the Brisker Rav during the 1948 war, when Rabbi Herzog convinced the Brisker Rav not to flee Jerusalem by saying that he had a tradition from his ancestors that the Third Temple would not be destroyed; and the Brisker Rav told him that he had a tradition that when people shoot at you, you run away. So the main division is not between repairing the world and repairing oneself, as you wrote, but between cynicism and sarcasm versus naivete and utopian dreams (and perhaps a bit of messianism).
I addressed this in the column. It is one of their characteristics, but it does not define ideological content. The story about the Brisker Rav and Rabbi Herzog indeed represents this, and I have brought it up more than once. At the Shabbaton next Shabbat I am arguing that in a certain sense this is not specifically a Haredi characteristic, but one of the Third Path.
Hello Rabbi Michael.
You dealt with defining Haredism, and even gave an interesting definition, according to which the difference lies in the attitude toward this world and the next world.
In my opinion this is not so. Haredism began as an ideological framework, but today it encompasses such a broad range of opinions and outlooks that there is no longer really any clear ideological content that defines belonging to it. The only thing that distinctly differentiates Haredism from the other groups in the religious public is an external symbol—the black kippah.
In present reality, someone who wears a black kippah—even if his lifestyle, worldview, and patterns of thought are completely different from classic Haredi norms—will be considered Haredi in every respect. By contrast, someone who wears a knitted kippah, even if his lifestyle is strikingly similar to that of many Haredim, will not be considered such. This has created a situation in which the Haredi definition has become dependent on an external symbol alone, and not on real content.
What would happen if we broke the barrier?
If the separation between the Haredi public and the national-religious public is based only on an external symbol, then it can be breached easily—simply by changing the symbol. If enough people from the national-religious public choose to wear a black kippah instead of a knitted one, without changing anything else in their identity, a new and more complex Haredi identity may emerge. Suddenly “Haredim” will enlist, “Haredim” will study in academia, “Haredim” will think independently—and all without Haredi society being able truly to disown them.
It may sound far-fetched, but if the whole Haredi definition rests on a symbol, then the change begins with replacing the symbol itself.
And in closing, see something interesting:
https://youtu.be/lB7AtK3DxPs?t=119
I completely disagree. I am not considered Haredi. Yeshayahu Leibowitz is not Haredi. You chose an easy and convenient solution, but not a correct one.
Besides, why should the knitted-kippah people wear black? Let the Haredim wear knitted. Or both wear something third.
In any case, it is not practical.
Regarding the sort-of joke you wrote about gifts to the poor—that if there were no poor person, the Haredi man would ask a robber to produce one for him—it’s not entirely a joke. This very year I asked my friends a riddle: why, when the Mishnah Berurah writes that one should have in mind in the blessing of Shehecheyanu the other mitzvot of the day, does he mention only the reading of the Megillah and the Purim meal, and not the third mitzvah, namely gifts to the poor? (I looked in the Dirshu Mishnah Berurah and saw that they noticed this question and more or less left it unresolved, or brought something very forced [and in my opinion mistaken and incorrect] in the name of one contemporary author.) And I asked you, Michi: why did the simple answer seemingly not occur to them—namely, is it really fitting to bless and say with joy “Who has kept us alive and brought us to this time” in ecstasy over the fact that we have a splendid poor man, complete and fully kosher, with which to fulfill the mitzvah of “gifts to the poor”?? (And the term for this, as you once said, is “sips’nishit.”) Do you agree with me? Or did I miss something?
That is certainly a plausible explanation. But it may also simply be that he mentioned some cases and omitted others.
I’m very flattered that you presented the two possibilities as: either I agree, or you missed something.
But there is also the possibility that I don’t agree and I missed something. 🙂
That Michi should miss something is in the category of a supernatural miracle—even for those who hold that God still intervenes nowadays—so we are not concerned with that possibility at all.
Regarding your words: “I think that among Haredim, ignoring the reward and the demand to serve God for its own sake requires a great deal of effort; by contrast, among the national-religious this is something natural that is not even discussed. The ordinary service there is for its own sake.”
In my view it is almost the opposite. Precisely the Haredi conception can even make service for its own sake possible. In practice many there work for reward, but it is possible to work for its own sake. In the national-religious conception, the mitzvot repair the world (how exactly do they repair?!) or society (?!). That is not a personal interest, but it is the fulfillment of mitzvot for the sake of another value that is not the fulfillment of the mitzvot themselves. Idolatry.
That’s not the opposite. You raised a different claim regarding the national-religious. It can be discussed. I don’t really understand how not eating pork or making kiddush on Shabbat repairs the world. The simple answer is that it does so by obeying the Holy One, blessed be He (and presumably behind that there is also some kind of rationale. The Netzach within Hod).
In any case, even if you are right, then the national-religious have a different drawback. How does that touch on the criticism (which, as I wrote, is only a description, and not necessarily criticism) of the Haredim?
I wrote that it is almost the opposite. A necessary condition for service for its own sake is a Haredi conception of the mitzvot. They do not come to repair any world, any society, or any Netzach-within-Hod. The national-religious conception does not allow service for its own sake, and perhaps it is even idolatry (you argued that if there is no object, one must discuss whether it is idolatry, but I’m not sure I accept that distinction).
That is too extreme a formulation. It is clear that service for its own sake is possible, but perhaps they are more prone to fail in this. Still, these are two different drawbacks.
By the way, the Haredim do think that this repairs Netzach-within-Hod, even if not the world (a large part of them also think that it repairs the world, only that is not what motivates them in acting).
The discussion of for-its-own-sake or not-for-its-own-sake, of course, refers solely to motivation in fulfilling the mitzvot, and not to which facts are true in the eyes of the one fulfilling them. I am of course not claiming that there are no national-religious people who work for its own sake. I am claiming that the national-religious education, which explains that the Torah is good for the world, leads to idolatry. In my opinion, if there is anyone to criticize here, it is the national-religious education from the religious point of view.
So you found two out of a million who wear a black kippah even though they’re not Haredi… it seems to me they can fall under the category of exceptions that will necessarily exist in every definition. I think this is a very sharp definition. Go out and see what the people actually do. Find me Haredim who wear knitted kippot. Or another two non-Haredim who wear black…
https://iyun.org.il/sedersheni/between-human-action-and-divine-providence/
Very closely related to the article; a column about it was already written here. One could elaborate a great deal about the implications.