Q&A: So What If He Commanded It?
So What If He Commanded It?
Question
To Rabbi Michael Abraham,
At the end of the fifth booklet you explained what gratitude to the Holy One, blessed be He, is.
But I still do not understand how such gratitude is supposed to lead a person all the way to self-sacrifice, or even to killing all the members of his family if the Creator commands him to do so. The comparison to parents is indeed a nice one, but with parents the sense of obligation we have to do good for them speaks only about benefits on a far smaller scale, with no comparison. Just go out into the street and see what the standards of honoring parents are in the world, and what level of honor most people in the world consider to be a son’s moral obligation to his father.
And if you argue that this is true only with parents, but with the Creator of the world, who is the source of everything and on whom we are far more dependent, this feeling should be much stronger — you still have not explained why it should be so strong that we devote our whole lives to Him and agree to die and to bind our family members for sacrifice for His sake. And saying that this is an intuition a person has will not solve it, considering how far-fetched it is that a person should have such an intuition.
Besides that, I do not understand why this would lead one to keep the commandments, because even with a father, anything I do to fulfill his wishes is only when it benefits him. But when he tells me to do things and informs me that he himself does not need it and gains nothing from it, I would feel no need to obey his instructions. Obviously, even if he created me, that does not allow him to decide what I will do; it only obligates me to make sure that things are good for him. And in Jewish literature it is written countless times that the Creator of the world is Himself perfect and gains nothing from our keeping the commandments — and that is also something called for on the philosophical plane. So what logic is there that because He created me, I should keep the commandments just because He told me to keep them?
Now I will write what I understand to be the source of the obligation to keep the commandments:
As I understand it, it comes from a person understanding who the Holy One, blessed be He, is, in all His power, and that He is the ultimate truth and perfection, and what this world is within the Creator’s system. In such a state, a person should naturally have the intuition to devote his whole life to Him, because when he grasps that he is dust and ashes, an insignificant thing in a physical world that was only created within a system in which there is a God who alone is real, and is everything, while everything else compared to Him is nothing but falsehood and vanity — such ideas draw a person who seeks truth to truly want truth and to do the truth, and not cling to his own desires and lusts, which from this perspective are nothing but falsehood.
And indeed, if someone says he does not have these feelings, I have nothing to say to him — just as if someone says he does not understand and has no feeling at all for gratitude or for acting morally, I would have nothing to answer him on the logical level, as you brought in your booklet.
And indeed, these things do not fit with everything said in the words of the medieval authorities mentioned above, but this is the only way I can understand what obligates me to give up my life in order to fulfill the Creator’s commands.
Answer
I think I already commented on this. First, there is a difference between gratitude for the fact that they gave birth to me and gratitude to One who is exclusively responsible for my existence and the existence of the entire world. That is a quantitative and qualitative difference — and again, not moral gratitude but ontic gratitude. Second, if in your view that is really not enough to justify self-sacrifice, then don’t sacrifice yourself. If that is the consideration, then that is the consideration. I do not test a consideration by its consequences. Third, the obligation to carry out parents’ instructions is not only when it benefits me. That is simply not true, because then it would not be an obligation. The obligation is for them, not for me. Otherwise it may be trust, but not obligation, which is a value-based matter.
I do not see a major difference between what you wrote and what I wrote.
Discussion on Answer
And what if it is good for them that you stand on one foot? Or if they think it is good for you?
I already answered you that it is indeed good and beneficial for the Holy One, blessed be He, and therefore the comparison is correct in my opinion.
See columns 120 and especially 170.
I never claimed it had to be similar to parents.
You brought a source from honoring parents, and from that you inferred that a person has the same natural sense toward the Creator as well. But when it gets to the point of self-sacrifice — that is what I wrote about: the main difficulty with this sense is how it reaches the level of giving up one’s life, and that main point cannot be compared to parents.
And indeed, if I do not want to, I will not give up my life. But you are speaking in the name of the world, saying that this is the source of their natural sense, and in my opinion that is really not the source of their natural sense, because a natural sense does not lead people all the way to self-sacrifice.
Maybe you did not read carefully, but I never wrote that I honor parents “for myself,” but “for them” — I do for them what is good for them, and I do not carry out their wish if they just feel like ordering me to stand on one foot. And about that I asked: the commandments are not for the Creator, because He gains nothing from them.
What you wrote — that what I explained at the end is no different from your view — is simply not understandable to me, because these are really two different things. You relate to the fact that He is the source, as with parents, except that toward Him the natural sense is greater; and I relate to His greatness and to the fact that He is the truth and we are falsehood — something that is not connected at all to the comparison with parents.