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Q&A: I Cursed My Haredi Neighbors That They Should Die of Corona in Terrible Agony

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I Cursed My Haredi Neighbors That They Should Die of Corona in Terrible Agony

Question

Hello and blessings,
I cursed my Haredi neighbors that they should die of corona in terrible agony. It was a kind of release for the feeling of a pogrom that the Rabbi once described so well. Two of those scoffers did in fact get infected, along with some of their family members. They still haven’t died, but I can hear their groans very clearly from my home. I feel happy that my curse came true, even if only halfway. Is that feeling normal?
Best regards,
Benjamin

Answer

Maybe normal, but completely improper.

Discussion on Answer

Yeruham (2020-10-02)

Rabbi Michi, why don’t you block this tireless pest from bothering people here?

Yeruham (2020-10-02)

I forgot to add that it now turns out that besides being a pest, he is also thoroughly wicked.

When Will Someone Here Take Responsibility (2020-10-02)

It’s a disgrace and a scandal that they allow a person like this to remain here on the site. None of his questions have anything to do with freedom of speech, only with a person consumed by hatred who from morning to night vilifies an entire sector of the Jewish people.
It’s only because the Rabbi also hates the Haredi sector that he allows him to run wild here as much as he likes. Everything here is interests, with no connection at all to the excuses of free speech and pluralism.

Yishai (2020-10-02)

The Rabbi never claimed that he is a pluralist, only tolerant. And therefore he lets everyone say whatever they want. Benjamin Gorlin’s hatred of Haredim is definitely shocking.

Y.D. (2020-10-02)

Whoever is merciful to the cruel will in the end become cruel to the merciful. Someone who publicly thumbs his nose at the guidelines is considered cruel, and there is no need to have mercy on him.

Take a Lesson in Tolerance (2020-10-02)

Y.D., good for you, my friend, for your openness, tolerance, and acceptance of others.

What’s crazy on this site is that people come with the feeling that they’re graduates of the religious sector and want to prove that they are enlightened people, with tolerance and inclusiveness toward others, and so they become extremists and fanatics in their new path, similar to many newly religious people who are extremists and fanatics in the religious-spiritual realm.

Hatred, malice, wishing death on people, and throwing mud at sectors different from you are very far from tolerance. Of course, it shows that you’re still deep in the cave.

Tam (2020-10-02)

Gorlin is conclusive proof that there is a deep problem in Haredism, namely the severe consequences among those who drop out of it. It haunts them and gives them no rest. Some try to erase Haredism from their memory with tattoos, eating creeping things, marrying a non-Jewish woman, and other such antics, but it haunts them until the day they die. I still have not come across a Haredi person who left his past behind and became a normal, ordinary person. There is always some extremism left in his behavior, proving that something is weighing on him and he is trying to suppress it, but in vain. I have quite a few formerly Haredi friends, and all of them, without exception, turned into unusual types and creatures. Most of them are even busy proving that they aren’t afraid of God, and make sure to post constant statuses on Yom Kippur and on Passover with leavened food, and on other holidays with drool over some shrimp or an indulgent pastrami toast with butter. There are also those who make sure to put tefillin on non-Jewish women in minimal clothing, or do anything at all that might supposedly annoy their Haredi brothers. The truth is that it doesn’t annoy anyone; it just arouses pity. In the end this is a psychological problem that needs professional treatment. It’s terribly painful that secular society makes sure to embrace them and amplify their insanity, until in many cases the victims end up committing suicide. To the credit of the Hillel group, it works to normalize these people and get them into academic studies and other things that will keep them sane like their brothers in Tel Aviv in general. There are exceptions (there is one named Esti Segal, whom the Kan 11 channel gave full support to, and a few other exceptions), but in general this is an almost all-inclusive phenomenon, except for Mizrahi Haredim—not racism, Heaven forbid, but there the women are usually the trigger for leaving Haredism/religion, and they don’t get involved with other things beyond that.

With Gorlin it seems that the phenomenon exists, and in his own way he found himself a niche in which to show himself off. One simply needs to pity him and just flush after he’s done.
I will note and emphasize that indeed it seems that if this were, for example, a case of someone leaving the gay community, and he were pouring out his filth on the site, it would end differently. Apparently Haredi society is strong enough not to be hurt by sick people with psychological trauma, unlike other communities whose whole right to exist depends on people attacking them and giving them public legitimacy at all.

Michi (2020-10-02)

Hello friends.
Naturally, you are not aware of the number of “questions” from Gorlin that are deleted here on the site every day. What I leave up from him are only messages that contain a question worth discussing, and that is so even if it is expressed in problematic ways, and even if it arouses antagonism and is irritating. This has not the slightest connection to Haredim or to my attitude toward them (which anyone who knows me knows is complex).
Specifically here, a question was raised that certainly can be discussed: if someone behaves irresponsibly and causes illness and even death to others, and in the end is himself stricken, what should our attitude toward him be? By the way, nothing was mentioned here that concerns the Haredi public as such. He spoke about specific Haredim who behaved in a specific way. In addition, as is known, Haredi conduct is indeed irresponsible, and here we are dealing with a correct generalization (except that, like all generalizations, it is not true of every individual case). But none of this prevents the troll rampaging here from ignoring the facts and accusing the entire universe.
If I return to the specific question raised here, in my view this is a question worth discussing, and therefore it was not deleted. Anyone angered by it should take a calming pill. That is the nature of free discussion. In addition, it would be worthwhile to read it before responding to it.
The recurring handle here, appearing under different names and repeatedly hurling accusations about my attitude toward Haredim and speculating about my motives for leaving up Gorlin’s posts, while also slandering Gorlin without basis (in this particular case), was much closer in my eyes to being deleted than this message from Gorlin. But my policy is that so long as these irrelevant expressions are directed at me (and, as noted, regarding Gorlin they do have substance, even if not in this question), I do not delete them. Expressions directed at others, groups or individuals, that contain no substantive content or are too offensive, are deleted. That is because freedom of speech really is important to me, unlike you, my troll friend, who is trying to silence people even when they raise substantive claims. But you see? I didn’t even delete you.

Michi (2020-10-02)

My remarks were written before Tam’s absurd pearls, which are also an outstanding example of my openness, tolerance, and patience. It seems to me that he wrote his last message in order to demonstrate my policy. You can see here that you can raise baseless claims, incorrect facts, accusations against groups (especially if they are not Haredi, such as former Haredim) or individuals, and still you won’t be deleted until the cup overflows.
So thank you to Tam for the demonstration.

Tam (2020-10-02)

It seems we live on different planets. If you want, I’ll attach links. The phenomenon is well known; you just have to know these people from the inside.

Michi (2020-10-02)

We do not live on different planets, but have different thinking abilities. I’m sorry if that sounds condescending, but you have proven it here at every turn.

A. (2020-10-02)

It’s not only Tam. Every ordinary Haredi is characterized by this different kind of thinking. What is Tam adding here? As for that Gorlin fellow, his question is dripping with evil.

Tam (2020-10-02)

And I’m still convinced that I understand garbage better than you do, and since I dealt a lot with dropouts from the Haredi sector, I saw the consequences.
Of course I already imagined there are exceptions, like everywhere.

Tam (2020-10-02)

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3249278381964527&id=100006471902028&set=a.1375836879308696&source=11
One example out of a thousand

B. (2020-10-02)

Until a year ago and more, it was pleasant and useful to come onto the site and become wiser. Since the trolls and bored people multiplied, busy with endless ranting about Haredim and their mental problems (the trolls’ mental problems, not the Haredim’s), being here has become burdensome and unpleasant. Maybe the problem is with me, since I was not blessed with the patience of Hillel the Elder for the silly difficulties flying around here, but the purpose of the site—as I understand it—is to provide a place for and challenge critical thinking for all users, not to serve as a platform for three trolls. I can’t tell the Rabbi what to do—you’re the owner, do with the site as you wish—but in my opinion the user experience of the other readers should be taken into account, and I believe I’m not the only one who has had enough of these trollings. This may come at the expense of openness and inclusiveness, but it also comes at the expense of the patience of most sane users.

A. (2020-10-02)

B., you’re definitely the third troll, the second, or the first.

B. (2) (2020-10-02)

A., just for clarification, I am not the same “B” from another thread in which you asked (I didn’t notice; I should have chosen a different name). And if I am indeed a troll as you wrote, I agree to accept upon myself the punishment of being blocked for the good of the many.

The Last Halakhic Decisor (2020-10-02)

This is a curse that comes from stupidity.
Already in March everyone should have been careful and guarded against the virus. But everyone was dismissive, because the Ministry of Health guidelines were dismissive of the virus.
So if B.G. wants to be fair, he should curse himself to die in terrible agony because he was dismissive of the virus in March. He can bless himself that he won’t die thanks to the Ministry of Health, because he did not disregard the Ministry of Health guidelines. But regarding corona, he was dismissive. Like everyone.

Michi (2020-10-02)

B.,
I will בהחלט consider your claim.

Chaim (2020-10-02)

Maybe the troll here changes and hides his name out of fear that Benjamin Gorlin will curse him.

By the way, a few days ago B.G. posted a question asking why Haredim prefer not to live next to secular neighbors, and the question was deleted.

It seems to me that now there is an answer.
Haredim are afraid to live next to potential cursers.

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