Another perspective, briefly:

To the extent that the fertility rate declines, the population ages and the nation gradually disappears. As is claimed to be happening in Europe through Arab takeover (you can get an impression of this by watching the series “Allah Islam”).

Economically too, a young population is necessary in order to sustain the economy, and the aging population does not contribute to the economy in the plain, practical sense. Economically, it is necessary to encourage going out to work for those who are not really studying—which is increasingly happening in the Haredi public. Therefore one should also find the smart way to move to a professional army rather than mandatory conscription, which would solve a few more problems in our country.

I’d be glad to hear thoughts on this perspective.

The Haredi sector in Israel is actually parallel to the Muslim immigrants in Europe, except that in its case the extent and speed of the damage are much greater.

As usual, you keep falling into the liberalist trap.
You continue to relate only to the verbal content of what is being said and ignore the interested, instinct-driven content behind it.

Very fitting for someone who claims there is nothing to learn from the Torah.

The Last Decisor, toward whom and what are your words directed?

“I completely agree with the basic claim.”
“There is no ethical or other problem whatsoever with not funding and not encouraging childbirth.”

The Last Decisor, and in your opinion there is an ethical or other problem with not funding and not encouraging childbirth? What is it and why? (Specifically among the Jewish people, in the State of Israel, or is this something completely general?)

It’s roughly like discussing whether there was a moral problem in putting Jews on trains free of charge.
That’s a discussion that comes from shutting one’s eyes, not from intellect.

I don’t understand your short formulations and analogies. What is the problem with not funding childbirth, and is it a problem unique to Jews in Israel?

You are ignoring the claim. The problem was not the fact that Jews were put on trains. Even today Jews get on trains.

The problem is the interest behind it. And that is what the Rabbi ignores.
And that is coherent with his statement that there is nothing to learn from the Torah. He ignores the motive behind what is written.
It seems the Rabbi has erased the reality of the human being so that he can relate only to the mumbling of words.

Okay, so say what the interest is and what the problem with it is, and why one should pay to encourage childbirth, and whether this is a need only of the Jewish people in Israel or whether it is something general applying to all human beings. Are you taking me through some kind of quiz course or what?

Regarding the comparison between the Haredim here and the Arabs in Europe: aside from the basic distinction that these are our brothers, there is also the question of how one views the direction of the Haredi public over time—toward national revival for the sake of repairing the world under the kingdom of the Almighty, or toward the separatism of the shtetl. I believe in the first possibility.

Zevulun, you continue on your stubborn path of shutting your eyes.
I can only imagine you standing there and reassuring the Jews who are boarding the trains, since after all the Nazis said they were merely being sent to labor camps. And you would open a discussion with them about whether it is moral to cram so many Jews together just for work.

All out of innocence and shutting one’s eyes.

I understand that you expect me to try to formulate the claim as I understand it from you, and then you’ll tell me yes/no, black/white. I don’t feel like joining this little quiz-show scene.

With God’s help, 2nd of Cheshvan 5781

Rabbi Mayer Amschel Rothschild of Frankfurt actually showed that it is possible to turn childbirth into a factor of economic strength. He scattered his five sons among five major capitals—Paris, London, Vienna, Frankfurt, and Naples—and each one established a financial center in his city, so that the Rothschild family became a dominant force in the world economy. The symbol of the Rothschild family was a clenched fist from which five arrows emerged, after the verse: “Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the children of one’s youth. Happy is the man that has his quiver full of them; they shall not be ashamed, when they speak with their enemies in the gate.”

Children are a blessing, children are joy, and children are strength—when one invests in their education and encourages them toward excellence, and not necessarily in the economic sphere. There is also a Swiss branch of the Rothschild family, which did not produce fabulously wealthy people, but did produce educators, such as Rabbi Yaakov Rothschild (the father of Rebbetzin Yemima Mizrachi), and Dr. Moshe Rothschild (founder of the Maayanei Hayeshua Medical Center).

So have children, and invest in them. The investment is worth it!

Best regards, Shatz

Since we mentioned Rabbi Anshel Rothschild, I’ll tell a joke about him that I heard from my late father.

A poor man came in to Rabbi Anshel and said to him: “Gemara.” Rabbi Anshel asked him: “What do you want?” The poor man answered: “GeMaR”A—an acronym for: ‘Gut Morgen, Rabbi Anshel’ (and in English, Good mourning, Rabbi Anshel).

Again the poor man said: “Gemara.” Rabbi Anshel asked him: “And this time?” The poor man answered: “GeMaR”A—an acronym for: ‘Give money, Rabbi Anshel’ (and in English: Give money, Rabbi Anshel). Rabbi Anshel gave him money.

Again the poor man came back and said “Gemara.” Rabbi Anshel asked: “And this time?” He answered: “GeMaR”A—an acronym for: ‘Give more, Rabbi Anshel’ (and in English: Give more, Rabbi Anshel), and he gave him an additional sum.

In short: by saying ‘Gemara, Gemara, Gemara’ one can conduct a successful fundraising campaign 🙂

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